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April 18, 2017

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Lemon_Master 4 days ago#1
Post some popular misconceptions you know of.

- Rosalina actually is not a princess. Mario fans get so angry when I explain this, but Rosalina officially isn't "Princess Rosalina". She's just "Rosalina".
- Zelda and Link aren't related in ALTTP. The line wasn't "Zelda is your sister", it was more like "Zelda is your destiny". I still want to see a game where they're related though...
- Mario isn't in his 30s or 40s. He's 24, I believe. He used to be middle-aged but hasn't been that age in over 20 years.
_Dog 4 days ago#2
I believe the only source that's given Mario's age is the Japanese version if Melee, where it says he's 26 years old. Take that as you will.

My personal thought is that Mario is in his 20's while in Brooklyn, 30's in the Mushroom Kingdom, and 40's or 50's during Dr. Mario
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Lemon_Master 4 days ago#3
_Dog posted...
I believe the only source that's given Mario's age is the Japanese version if Melee, where it says he's 26 years old. Take that as you will.

My personal thought is that Mario is in his 20's while in Brooklyn, 30's in the Mushroom Kingdom, and 40's or 50's during Dr. Mario


Miyamoto recently said he's 24. It makes sense considering he's barely older than Peach.
_Dog 4 days ago#4
^What is it with Miyamoto and these retcons...
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Lemon_Master 4 days ago#5
It's not that big of a retcon. It's only two years. Sonic was de-aged from 16 to 15 once as well.
_Dog 4 days ago#6
Lemon_Master posted...
It's not that big of a retcon. It's only two years. Sonic was de-aged from 16 to 15 once as well.

Miyamoto also said that the Koopalings were not Bowser's children

He also said that A Link to the Past was the last game chronologically

It can be hard to take him seriously when it comes to canon.
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the_NGW 4 days ago#7
_Dog posted...
I believe the only source that's given Mario's age is the Japanese version if Melee, where it says he's 26 years old. Take that as you will.

My personal thought is that Mario is in his 20's while in Brooklyn, 30's in the Mushroom Kingdom, and 40's or 50's during Dr. Mario


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Lemon_Master 4 days ago#8
_Dog posted...
Lemon_Master posted...
It's not that big of a retcon. It's only two years. Sonic was de-aged from 16 to 15 once as well.

Miyamoto also said that the Koopalings were not Bowser's children

He also said that A Link to the Past was the last game chronologically

It can be hard to take him seriously when it comes to canon.


The Koopaling's aren't Bowser's children. That's been shown several times. Mario fans just need to get over that already. I think him having a large family is a nice idea too and I wanna see it made canon some day, but it's not as big a deal as everyone tries to make it.

When was the last quote?
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Darth_Kamcio 4 days ago#9
That sword-wielding hero's name is Zelda.
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Lemon_Master 4 days ago#10
Darth_Kamcio posted...
That sword-wielding hero's name is Zelda.



Is that an actual misconception? I figured it was just people trying to troll Zelda fans. Everyone but the most casual people know his name is Link.
Common misconceptions:

-It is often believed that Ike is straight despite the canon ending of FE9 showing him making out with Soren. If you didn't see this scene, you didn't get the true ending!

-Waluigi's girlfriend is actually Princess Eclair. Luigi's sidestory in TTYD is the source of their animosity.

-The Mario 2 manual incorrectly states Birdo is transgender and would be preferred to be called Catherine. This is false! It's actually Katherine, they just misspelled it. 

-Metroid is usually perceived as a sci-fi adventure focused on exploration and a feeling of isolation. In fact the whole thing is just a kink game they made to get Sakamoto to shut up about his jellyfish interests.

-Miyamoto publicly scoffed at the idea of "Mario with a gun" following the rise of more violent games like GTA3, but actually went ahead and made it. It was called Uncharted, but Sony got to publish it following a clause in their old Playstation-as-SNES-add-on contract. Now you know why Drake jumps around as much as he does compared to other shooter game heroes. 

-Kirby's not named after the vacuum cleaner. He's named after the foxhound I adopted a couple years ago. Personal favor on my part after Sakurai borrowed the time machine I use to tell people the games they're looking forward to will be underwhelming. 

-Sonic and Tails are in Smash Brothers Melee. The "April Fool's joke" was that they got the unlocking method wrong, is all. Fortunately everyone who still pays attention to Melee knows the real way, so no need to go into it here. 

-In Donkey Kong 64, it sounds like they go "oooooh, banana!" after collecting a banana. They do not! If you know what they ARE saying, please send a postcard to Rare explaining it, they've been trying to figure it out for years.

-Zelda IS the protagonist's name and both him and Princess Link would appreciate it if people would stop insisting it's the other way around, thank you very much.
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Lemon_Master 4 days ago#12
- Link does not hate Navi. He was his best friend and was implied to be who he was looking for in Majora's Mask. 
- Link, Ness, Ninten, Lucas, and every Pokemon protagonist can speak. Their dialogue just isn't shown. 
- Adult Link is not really an adult. He's seventeen, possibly nineteen, (which is barely an adult) at oldest. 
- Zelda is an action-adventure not a rpg. 
- Not every Link and Zelda are reincarnations of the SS ones. Most Toon Links are not and neither is the Sleeping Zelda. 

- No Pokemon protagonist is canonically ten. That's anime only. The youngest confirmed ones (Red, Leaf, Selene, and Sun) are eleven. 
- You don't need to be ten to be a trainer. That's also anime-only. Many trainers such like Youngsters and Preschoolers are younger. Most trainers who travel are teens or adults, like Ace Trainers and Veterans.
- Iirc, it's mentioned in several games that you're essentially the only ones to get Pokedexes from the professor. I think this changed in SM, but essentially in the games very few trainers get Pokedexes. Every trainer getting Pokedexes is anime-only.
- Pokemon Speak is not in the games. Pokemon speak in animalish cries. Some cries resemble their names however it's rare. Pokemon Speak appears in text but is used as an onomatopoeia.
- "It's Super Effective" is only used in certain circumstances but memes and parodies make it sound like every move is 'super effective'. 
- I freakin' hate Pixiv!Red. That hot black haired Red with red eyes is not Red's canon design. At all. Seriously, go look at his official art for all games. Thankfully the design is going away, but it's still annoying (and ugly). 
- Marill is not in the same category as Pachirisu, Minun, or Plusle. It's not considered a Pikachu ripoff in canon. Pichu is the Pikaclone of Gen 2. 
- Pokemon are not mammals as far as canon tells. So, those fanwork depicting baby Pokemon nursing are wrong. They have teeth after hatching and can eat. Also, Pokemon don't hatch in litters. 
- Red is not dead. 
- Giovanni did not attempt suicide. 
- Red did not kill Blue's Raticate. He either released it or put it in his PC. 
- It's "Red" and "Blue", not "Ash" and "Gary". It's "Ethan", "Hilbert", and "Hilda", not "Gold", "Black", and "White". 
- Brendan has black hair (brown in the remakes). Not white hair, or black and white hair... I preferred him with white hair but he just wears an ugly beanie.
- May's surname isn't "Maple".
- No protagonist is a twin to another.
- N is not a rival.

- Sacred Stones didn't have a twincest ending in Japan. 
- Seriously, there's almost no incest in Fire Emblem. It's not Game of Thrones. 

- Mario parodies need to notice that Mario punches blocks. He doesn't hit them with his head. 
- "Clawdia Koopa" doesn't even exist. She's not Bowser's ex and isn't the Koopalings mother (they're not even Bowser's kids). She's from an old fan-site, Lemmy's something-something... 
- Daisy is not Peach's cousin. That comes from a non-canon strategy guide reference.
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LuigiFan835 4 days ago#13
_Dog posted...
I believe the only source that's given Mario's age is the Japanese version if Melee, where it says he's 26 years old. Take that as you will.

My personal thought is that Mario is in his 20's while in Brooklyn, 30's in the Mushroom Kingdom, and 40's or 50's during Dr. Mario

I thought Dr. Mario and Mario are different people.
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LuigiFan835 4 days ago#14
_Dog posted...
Lemon_Master posted...
It's not that big of a retcon. It's only two years. Sonic was de-aged from 16 to 15 once as well.

Miyamoto also said that the Koopalings were not Bowser's children

He also said that A Link to the Past was the last game chronologically

It can be hard to take him seriously when it comes to canon.

He also said he was Bowser Jr.'s mother.
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DiscostewSM 4 days ago#15
Of course Rosalina isn't a princess. She's a space queen.
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LunarRoar 4 days ago#16
_Dog posted...
Lemon_Master posted...
It's not that big of a retcon. It's only two years. Sonic was de-aged from 16 to 15 once as well.

Miyamoto also said that the Koopalings were not Bowser's children

He also said that A Link to the Past was the last game chronologically

It can be hard to take him seriously when it comes to canon.

ALTTP was the last game chronologically when OoT was first coming out

Lemon_Master posted...
- Not every Link and Zelda are reincarnations of the SS ones. Most Toon Links are not and neither is the Sleeping Zelda. 

What? Yes they are, that's how that works
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- Bowser Jr and Baby Bowser are not the same character. Baby Bowser is Bowser as an infant, while Bowser Jr is his son.

- Bowser's original motivation for kidnapping Peach wasn't love, but to prevent her from using her magic to dispel the Curse the Koopa Klan put on the Mushroom Kingdom.

- King Dedede isn't evil, nor is he a legitimate King. He is self imposed and rather selfish and greedy, but he doesn't act purely on malicious intent. When something threatens DreamLand, he take sit upon himself to stop the threat as well.

- Daisy wasn't made up for Mario Party. She first appeared in Super Mario Land as the princess Mario saved in that game.

- Captain Falcon's Falcon Punch did not come from the anime. The anime came well after Falcon first appeared in Smash 64.

- The Pokemon League was only recently established in Pokemon Red and Blue. That is why there was no champion prior to Green/Blue entering before getting defeated by Red. It is also the First Pokemon league to be established in the series chronologically, with all subsequent Leagues being inspired by the concept. This is why being champ was treated as being the best in the world at the time and why Johto didn't have its OWN league. It was the only one on existence at the time.

- Funnily enough, the Bowling Ball the Villager uses in Smash bros 4 doesn't have any origin from any Animal Crossing Game ever conceived.
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Lemon_Master 4 days ago#18
LunarRoar posted...
Lemon_Master posted...
- Not every Link and Zelda are reincarnations of the SS ones. Most Toon Links are not and neither is the Sleeping Zelda. 

What? Yes they are, that's how that works


Go replay Wind Waker. Link's soul was missing in the Adult Timeline. That's why there wasn't a Hero when the Goddesses flooded the land. WW!Link does not contain Link's spirit. That's why he needed to prove himself. It's vague if the Spirits Track Link is a reincarnation of Link, but if he is then this is a completely different line of Link reincarnations from the other two timelines.

The Sleeping Zelda also doesn't contain Hylia's spirit. How can the other Zeldas be reincarnations of someone who isn't dead? She's simply a princess who was named after the SS Zelda.
LunarRoar 4 days ago#19
Lemon_Master posted...
LunarRoar posted...
Lemon_Master posted...
- Not every Link and Zelda are reincarnations of the SS ones. Most Toon Links are not and neither is the Sleeping Zelda. 

What? Yes they are, that's how that works


Go replay Wind Waker. Link's soul was missing in the Adult Timeline. That's why there wasn't a Hero when the Goddesses flooded the land. WW!Link does not contain Link's spirit. That's why he needed to prove himself. It's vague if the Spirits Track Link is a reincarnation of Link, but if he is then this is a completely different line of Link reincarnations from the other two timelines.

The Sleeping Zelda also doesn't contain Hylia's spirit. How can the other Zeldas be reincarnations of someone who isn't dead? She's simply a princess who was named after the SS Zelda.



Link always needs to prove himself, so that's just wrong. Not all Links are related by blood but they definitely all have the spirit/soul of Hylia's Chosen Hero. Hell, Link proving himself is what signifies that he does in fact have the soul of the hero (along with the fact that he's deemed worthy by the Master Sword)

By Sleeping Zelda do you mean BOTW? Because she very much has Hylia's spirit and was just going through some growing pains, finish the game and unlock all the flashbacks
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Lemon_Master 4 days ago#20
Sleeping Zelda from AOL.

WW!Link isn't a reincarnation of OOT!Link. His spirit left that timeline.
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LunarRoar 4 days ago#22
Lemon_Master posted...
Sleeping Zelda from AOL.

WW!Link isn't a reincarnation of OOT!Link. His spirit left that timeline.

Sleeping Zelda is the last in her timeline and the same Zelda from Zelda 1, so what're you talking about?

And yet the fact that WW!Link overcomes the trials and is allowed to wield the Master Sword shows that even though OOT!Link left the timeline, the soul still remains regardless
_Dog 4 days ago#23
I think I'll add a few stuff.

-Although Miyamoto said A Link to the Past was the last game chronologically, descriptions say otherwise as Link and Zelda are said to be "predecessors" to the ones in the NES games. Further, Hyrule Historia reveals that A Link to the Past takes place before plenty of Zelda games, including the two NES games and Link's Awakening.
-Rosalina is not Peach's daughter
-Although it's been stated that Ashley's age was 8 in Japan and then upped to 15 in the NA localization, she was in reality never given an age over there.
-Leaf and Selene are not the actual names of the trainers; in fact there are no established canon names for the female Gen 1 and 7 protagonists.
-The Pokémon do speak their names in the games as suggested by the dialogue; the generic cries was an invention from Pokémon Origins
-The green-haired wireframe boxer from the arcade Punch-Out games and the blonde-haired boxer from Super Punch-Out are NOT Little Mac, at least not originally; Sakurai and EA retroactively named those respective boxers Mac long after those games were released
-Rhythm Heaven might be in the same universe as that of the Mario games
-Link is not dead in Majora's Mask

Canonicity can be a confusing thing.
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ChuckRoast 4 days ago#24
-Wario and Waluigi were never confirmed to be brothers
-Mario is not from Brooklyn. He was born and raised in the Mushroom Kingdom.
-Xenoblade Chronicles, The Last Story, Pandora's Tower, Sin & Punishment, and Wonderful 101 are Nintendo IPs (Lots of people still think that they are third party games.)
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Pokemon "Protagonists" are avatars. "Badass Red" was made up by players. He's quiet when you face him in G/S because he's supposed to represent your R/B/Y self who became the champion.
DrRM 4 days ago#26
King Dedede been a villan/badguy
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xF0x 4 days ago#27
Originally the Pokémon anime was entirely adapted from the games and the two were made separately from each other, but this isn't the case anymore. For quite some time now the Pokémon games have been developed with the anime series in mind, characters and monsters that are planned to have major roles in the show go through particularly thorough design refinement at GameFreak. Some legendary Pokémon and their special events are created in advance primarily for the animated movies and TPC oversees that the game content is perfectly aligned with the simultaneously produced anime scripts.
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cris1ussen 4 days ago#28
Interesting topic, I learn some good facts that I didn't know

I can share some misconceptions that I know about the Animal Crossing franchise:

-There are 2 special NPC that actually their genre (or sex) was change in the American/European version, the giraffe Gracie (a designer) and Blanca the cat (a traveler without face) are in reality masculine and not femenine, nobody know why NOA changed it and the true was hidden for years until the release of Animal Crossing: City Folk where the Japan's official website revealed the genre of each character

-Some peoples always asked the why the boy in the original Animal Crossing for the GameCube had horns in his head, actually it was his normal hair, the hat was that make looks the hair like horns

-A lot of people think that the series born on the GameCube but actually the franchise started on the Nintendo 64, the first game that is commonly knowed as Animal Forest, it had the same features present in the other entries including the use of real hour/date (used a special battery on the N64 cartridge)
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Gladiant 4 days ago#29
When playing Pokemon, most newbie actually try to train a Pikachu, not knowing it is basically one of the worst Electric-type Pokemon in whole series just like its clone in every gen.

Also most Pokemon fan believe the MC of every game is 14 years old because that is Ash's age in Anime but most game since gen III, MC are actually 16 years old, basically a teenage (I mean B2W2 female MC even have boobs).
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Gladiant posted...
When playing Pokemon, most newbie actually try to train a Pikachu, not knowing it is basically one of the worst Electric-type Pokemon in whole series just like its clone in every gen.

Also most Pokemon fan believe the MC of every game is 14 years old because that is Ash's age in Anime but most game since gen III, MC are actually 16 years old, basically a teenage (I mean B2W2 female MC even have boobs).


Uh... 14? Most trainers in the games, including Ash from the anime, start their journey at 10 years old, not 14. It's a part of the Pokemon fantasy. It's why Ash is so much shorter than everyone else in the anime.
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AkaneJones 4 days ago#32
Gladiant posted...
most newbie actually try to train a Pikachu, not knowing it is basically one of the worst Electric-type Pokemon in whole series just like its clone in every gen.

Not really Pikachu just sucks long term because of Middle tier evolution. Obviously you want Raichu eventually. Of course they did create that held item because of being the mascot and all. Obviously Pichu, Plusle, Minun, Pachirisu, & Dedenne are worse either for being a pre evolution or no evolution possible. Only Emolga has some use being Electric Flying, but then again they aren't Raichu. 

Not that Raichu is ops of anything but it suffices as and alternate to say Jolteon or Electrode. Actually its strength is Attack & Special attack is the same so you can use both types with no detriment. It might be slower but it still in the top speed group.
skier8390 4 days ago#33
Most people don't realize how young some of the Fire Emblem characters are (or at least were in certain games/versions) 
Marth - 16
Ike - 17 (FE9)
Lyn - 15
Roy - 15

The newest game Echoes Alm is 16 and Celica is 17.

Awakening and Fates did away with ages likely because you can marry the characters and have children.
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skier8390 4 days ago#34
CreativeName487 posted...
Daisy is a good character 

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memoryman3 4 days ago#35
Lemon_Master posted...
Post some popular misconceptions you know of.

- Rosalina actually is not a princess. Mario fans get so angry when I explain this, but Rosalina officially isn't "Princess Rosalina". She's just "Rosalina".
- Zelda and Link aren't related in ALTTP. The line wasn't "Zelda is your sister", it was more like "Zelda is your destiny". I still want to see a game where they're related though...
- Mario isn't in his 30s or 40s. He's 24, I believe. He used to be middle-aged but hasn't been that age in over 20 years.


Rosalina is officially stated as a princess in many forms of media.
_Dog 4 days ago#36
I'll add a few more stuff before leaving this thread:

-Super Mario Bros. 3 is indeed a stage play

-The arcade game Mario Bros. actually does take place in New York

-According to Miyamoto, Toads were designed with no gender in mind

-Bubbles from Clu Clu Land was originally a male named Gloopy in the Japanese version; the localization had the gender changed to female

-Kirby's gender is indeterminate in Japan, but is referred to as male in the west

-Vivian from Paper Mario: The Thousand-Year Door is male in Japan, changed to female in the West

-No, Marth is not a girl, nor is he gay

-Cheep-Cheeps and Zoras were referred to as female in the localization manuals of SMB1 and Zelda 1 respectively, but is not mentioned anywhere else that way

-According to one source, Mario and Wario are cousins

-Mona has a crush on Wario and is stated to be Wario's answer to Mario's Peach

-The Ice Climbers are in fact children, not miniaturized adults

-Cooking Mama is not a Nintendo IP

-The ports of Donkey Kong, Donkey Kong Jr., Mario Bros, Popeye and other arcade games to non-Nintendo consoles were merely licensed by Nintendo and in fact were developed by other companies; Nintendo themselves ported those games to their own console, the Famicom/NES

--Contrary to popular belief, Nintendo has always released gimmicks throughout their console history

-Despite that, Nintendo did NOT develop the Power Glove; it was only officially licensed by them

-Nintendo has a reputation for being a kiddy company when in fact it is Nintendo of America usually doing the censorship

-Nintendo doesn't own Pokémon directly; The Pokémon Company is the one that directly manages the franchise, where Nintendo, Creatures and Game Freak each hold a third of. I believe Nintendo themselves own Creatures and some stocks at Game Freak

-Finally, except for perhaps the first two episodes, the Pokémon anime is entirely consisted of filler

Now that was fun and confusing at the same time.
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Misconception: Characters debuting in Super Mario RPG, Paper Mario or Mario & Luigi aren't "part of the Mario family" thus are not eligible to appear in Mario games.

Truth: Those games star Mario, so they ARE Mario games and all included characters (besides obvious cameos like Link in SMRPG) ARE Mario characters and Miyamoto just needs to retire because he's full of delusion to think otherwise.
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GeneralFox 4 days ago#38
- Mario and Peach aren't technically a couple as Peach already has a Prince for a Fiance named Haru-%u014Dji

https://www.mariowiki.com/Haru-%C5%8Dji

Nah, just kidding. That little bit was retconned with most of the anime lol. I believe Haru is still floating around rarely but never seen though.
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bigjnyc 4 days ago#39
ChuckRoast posted...
--Mario is not from Brooklyn. He was born and raised in the Mushroom Kingdom.

I knew this was coming sooner or later. I will fight this tooth and nail. Mario is from Brooklyn the cartoons say so. I am American and American canon is what counts to me.
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Lemon_Master 4 days ago#40
LunarRoar posted...
Lemon_Master posted...
Sleeping Zelda from AOL.

WW!Link isn't a reincarnation of OOT!Link. His spirit left that timeline.

Sleeping Zelda is the last in her timeline and the same Zelda from Zelda 1, so what're you talking about?


Did you even play AOL? She's a different Zelda from the Zelda 1 princess. She was put into a coma centuries prior, maybe even before OOT. There are two Zelda in the Zelda 1-AOL games--the Zelda from the first game which contains Hylia's spirit and the Sleeping Zelda from the first who does not.
Endgame 4 days ago#41
- Seriously, there's almost no incest in Fire Emblem. It's not Game of Thrones.

Yes there is.

Most of it is things the players themselves have to make happen, but there IS incest, and it was a key plot point in Genealogy of the Holy War.

Incest pairings you can make happen in Awakening and Fates:

Owainxany of Chrom's daughters. (Lucina, Kjelle, or Cynthia.)
Lucina!MorganxLucina's brothers. (Inigo or Brady.)
Owain!MorganxChrom's daughters
Male CorrinxAzura (aka the "canon" pairing~.)
Female CorrinxShigure
ShigurexKana (Can't happen if they're siblings, however.)
ShiroxSakura or Hinoka's daughters
KiragixSakura or Hinoka's daughter
SiegbertxElise or Cowmilla's daughters
ForrestxElise or Cowmilla's daughters
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feardom86 4 days ago#42
Probably the first time I've read every post in a thread. This has been a very fun topic and hope more is posted
Lemon_Master 3 days ago#43
_Dog posted...

-The Pokémon do speak their names in the games as suggested by the dialogue; the generic cries was an invention from Pokémon Origins


No. The dialogue represents onomatopoeia, like how cats don't literally say "meow", and varies depending on the Pokemon anyway. The cries, Stadium games, and truer-to-text material like Generations suggest that they don't speak their names. I wish SSB would replace the voices already...

Also, the BW2 trailer used animalistic cries years before Origins.

Layton_Kyouju posted...
Pokemon "Protagonists" are avatars. "Badass Red" was made up by players. He's quiet when you face him in G/S because he's supposed to represent your R/B/Y self who became the champion.


Yes and no. They're not avatars, they're their own characters. However Red speaks in eclipses because you're supposed to think of dialogue for him.

Tbqh, I hate how GF uses the 'Red is stoic' thing nowadays. In RGBY and FRLG it was clear he talked. Copycat copied him and Blue called him chatty. Red being really talkative and loud is way more interesting than him not talking. Hilda and Hilbert had unused dialogue for BW2 so why not Red?

cris1ussen posted...


-There are 2 special NPC that actually their genre (or sex) was change in the American/European version, the giraffe Gracie (a designer) and Blanca the cat (a traveler without face) are in reality masculine and not femenine, nobody know why NOA changed it and the true was hidden for years until the release of Animal Crossing: City Folk where the Japan's official website revealed the genre of each character

-Some peoples always asked the why the boy in the original Animal Crossing for the GameCube had horns in his head, actually it was his normal hair, the hat was that make looks the hair like horns


Saharah is also male in Japan. Where's the second one from? Everything calls them hats and future games feature them as hats as well

Gladiant posted...
When playing Pokemon, most newbie actually try to train a Pikachu, not knowing it is basically one of the worst Electric-type Pokemon in whole series just like its clone in every gen.

Also most Pokemon fan believe the MC of every game is 14 years old because that is Ash's age in Anime but most game since gen III, MC are actually 16 years old, basically a teenage (I mean B2W2 female MC even have boobs).

NewMoonShadow posted...
Gladiant posted...
When playing Pokemon, most newbie actually try to train a Pikachu, not knowing it is basically one of the worst Electric-type Pokemon in whole series just like its clone in every gen.

Also most Pokemon fan believe the MC of every game is 14 years old because that is Ash's age in Anime but most game since gen III, MC are actually 16 years old, basically a teenage (I mean B2W2 female MC even have boobs).


Uh... 14? Most trainers in the games (...)


You're both wrong. Ash is explicitly ten, not fourteen. In the games however no MC is fourteen. Red and Leaf are eleven, May and Brendan are twelve, and Selene and Helios are eleven. Hilda and Hilbert are clearly over fifteen while Nate and Rosa seem around thirteen to fourteen. Calem and Serena are over sixteen, because they're older than Emma.
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memoryman3 posted...

Rosalina is officially stated as a princess in many forms of media.


Fanfics are not official. Rosalina is not referred to as a princess in any media canonized by Nintendo. Prima Guides have stated faulty things, such as Peach and Daisy being cousins.

GeneralFox posted...
- Mario and Peach aren't technically a couple as Peach already has a Prince for a Fiance named Haru-%u014Dji

https://www.mariowiki.com/Haru-%C5%8Dji

Nah, just kidding. That little bit was retconned with most of the anime lol. I believe Haru is still floating around rarely but never seen though.


Non-canon. That's like saying Misty has three sisters because the anime said so.

bigjnyc posted...

I knew this was coming sooner or later. I will fight this tooth and nail. Mario is from Brooklyn the cartoons say so. I am American and American canon is what counts to me.


Just say they were born in the Mushroom Kingdom, were moved to Brooklyn as kids, then moved back.

_Dog posted...


-Vivian from Paper Mario: The Thousand-Year Door is male in Japan, changed to female in the West

-Nintendo has a reputation for being a kiddy company when in fact it is Nintendo of America usually doing the censorship


No, Vivian is a trans woman in Japan and a few localizations. The English translation simply did away with the references.

Also, stop acting like Japan's versions of the games are super mature. Nintendo is kiddy even in Japan. They're seen as kiddy because they're overall child friendly, with cute characters and bright colours.

Endgame posted...
- Seriously, there's almost no incest in Fire Emblem. It's not Game of Thrones.

Yes there is.


Emphasis on "almost". Canon incest is few and far between.
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DavCube 3 days ago#45
bigjnyc posted...
ChuckRoast posted...
--Mario is not from Brooklyn. He was born and raised in the Mushroom Kingdom.

I knew this was coming sooner or later. I will fight this tooth and nail. Mario is from Brooklyn the cartoons say so. I am American and American canon is what counts to me.

It's too bad that literally no one cares about that little tidbit either way. It's never been important to any game he's been in, and when those numbers cross into triple digits, I think that's saying something. There basically is no "canon" to Mario anyways, American or otherwise.

Lemon_Master posted...
Also, stop acting like Japan's versions of the games are super mature. Nintendo is kiddy even in Japan. They're seen as kiddy because they're overall child friendly, with cute characters and bright colours.


So much this it's not even funny. They regularly get Happy Meal deals in Japan and dominate the commercials during kids TV shows.
ChuckRoast posted...
-Mario is not from Brooklyn. He was born and raised in the Mushroom Kingdom.


Actually even Miyamoto himself still deems Mario & Luigi to still be Italian-American and is going with NoA's idea for them to be New Yorkers instead of the Mushroom Kingdom according to an interview that came out back in 2015. Anyways I've been meaning to do this...

- While Miyamoto is the "creator" of the Mario series he has had very little to do with the story of the series. A lot of the things we know about the Mario series was made up by NOA such as the Koopaling's names and heck even Mario's name. Though Nintendo of Japan is not innocent in this regard such as Princess Peach's height and current look (as Miyamoto originally designed her to be a little girl).
- In fact over the years Nintendo & Miyamoto basically allowed the Mario series to be an open-end franchise letting anyone do their takes for stories for this franchise even in the games. A lot of people criticize the Mario games lately for "having no plot" but there are plenty of Mario games that do have plenty of plot. Nintendo has allowed their other branches & owned studios to do their own storylines such as Super Mario Land series, Paper Mario, Mario & Luigi to even allowing other companies their take such as Square for Super Mario RPG and RARE for the Donkey Kong Country series. It wasn't until recently did Miyamoto for better or for worse try to stop this by being more restrictive in stories for this series since are getting a bit convoluted.
- However contrary to poular belief Miyamoto does not hate the idea of stories in games though. He is a firm believer that when it comes to Retro games that games like Pac-Man and the Mario games have more appeal because you are playing as a character than a blank-slate avatar. That and he is the writer for the story in the Pikmin games.
- Oh yes and Miyamoto does not hate the Donkey Kong Country games, he was initially annoyed by the poplarity of those games overshadowed games he was involved with like '94 Donkey Kong and the like. However conversely he was a supporter of Retro Studios getting to revive the DKC series with Donkey Kong Country Returns though.
- Mario's relationship with Princess Peach and Pauline is actually fairly ambiguous, both Super Paper Mario and Smash Bros. 4 for the Wii U have played around with this.
- The US Super Mario Bros 2 was indeed always a Mario game. In Japan the game we know as US SMB 2 was going to be a Mario game right from the start but since SMB 1 was selling so well in Japan, NOJ wanted a sequel to SMB 1 right away ASAP so they released Super Mario Bros 2/Lost Levels which was basically SMB 1 but different and highly difficult levels and the SMB 2 that we know of became the game Doki Doki Panic. But since NOA deemed SMB2J/LL to be way too difficult and way too similar to Super Mario 1 they looked at Doki Doki Panic which was originally going to be a Mario game and then turn it into one for the US Market.

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Lemon_Master posted...
Darth_Kamcio posted...
That sword-wielding hero's name is Zelda.



Is that an actual misconception? I figured it was just people trying to troll Zelda fans. Everyone but the most casual people know his name is Link.

specially since Zelda is short for Griselda, a female name, and Link is short for Lincoln.
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kabutokouji posted...
Lemon_Master posted...
Darth_Kamcio posted...
That sword-wielding hero's name is Zelda.



Is that an actual misconception? I figured it was just people trying to troll Zelda fans. Everyone but the most casual people know his name is Link.

specially since Zelda is short for Griselda, a female name, and Link is short for Lincoln.

Wasn't Link named this way because he is the Link between the game and the player? I remember a friend telling me this when we were kids. I have no source, though.
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    Endgame 17 hours ago#51
    Emphasis on "almost". Canon incest is few and far between.

    There's four examples in Genealogy that don't require player choices.

    -ArvisxDiadora, the important one.

    -EldiganxLachesis, it was confirmed the two had incesteous feelings for each other.

    -Julius and Ishtar. Overlooked, but the two are in fact cousins.

    -Altenna and Arion. Ignoring the incesteous feelings they felt before Altenna knew they weren't siblings, it's still implied they got together and helped unify the Thracia region. And here's the kicker: Noba and Dain were siblings. Therefore the Leonsterian and Thracian royal families are distant relatives.

    Four is a bit more than almost non-existent, don't you think?

    And let's not forget how Seliph and Julia are in a Luke and Leia situation where they're awfully fond of each other before they know the truth.....
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    ikki5 15 hours ago#53
    Lemon_Master posted...
    The Koopaling's aren't Bowser's children. That's been shown several times. Mario fans just need to get over that already.


    The reason they have a hard time getting over it is because it was made very clear that they were his kids in Mario 3.Miyamoto just came in and decided to change canon completely.
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    Blayshy 15 hours ago#54
    Navi's not a he.
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    AkaneJones 15 hours ago#55
    Pokejedservo posted...
    - The US Super Mario Bros 2 was indeed always a Mario game. In Japan the game we know as US SMB 2 was going to be a Mario game right from the start but since SMB 1 was selling so well in Japan, NOJ wanted a sequel to SMB 1 right away ASAP so they released Super Mario Bros 2/Lost Levels which was basically SMB 1 but different and highly difficult levels and the SMB 2 that we know of became the game Doki Doki Panic. But since NOA deemed SMB2J/LL to be way too difficult and way too similar to Super Mario 1 they looked at Doki Doki Panic which was originally going to be a Mario game and then turn it into one for the US Market.


    Actually Super Mario Bros. 2: The Lost Levels came about because of the Minus World glitch in Super Mario Bros. Over in Japan this was a much larger rumor of the time because it was found that the player could access a world select via hot swapping the Super Mario Bros. cart with Tennis and playing a it then sticking it back in. This switched the value used for the continue function and jumped you worlds, which you aren't intended to go to like World 9, A-Z, (the minus world) , and the rest of the 256 sprites that load after the text characters. 

    These rumors we so well known that they were the spawn of Super Mario Bros. 2: The Lost Levels ideas for Miyamoto creating his own version. In fact the entire World 9 is a direct reference to those glitch levels as the load underwater level version of not underwater levels, several glitch castles, and even the old poison mushroom. They seem like a level hack because it was inspired by the glitch, at randomly pull level data from else where. 

    Mean while Doki Doki Panic was started as a Mario Game, deemed not Mario enough changed to a TV chanel mascot game, then retro fitted back to a Mario game for the west. We can't really say what a pure Mario version of Doki Doki Panic would have been like because most of the valid development when towards it being Doki Doki Panic.
    MegaMettaur 14 hours ago#56
    _Dog posted...
    Lemon_Master posted...
    It's not that big of a retcon. It's only two years. Sonic was de-aged from 16 to 15 once as well.

    Miyamoto also said that the Koopalings were not Bowser's children

    He also said that A Link to the Past was the last game chronologically

    It can be hard to take him seriously when it comes to canon.

    He also said that Zelda wasn't supposed to be experienced like a series of conjoined stories. They were all supposed to stand on their own. 

    Also Minamoto said alttp was the first game, not the last. Then Oot came out.
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    SkyCrackers 14 hours ago#57
    ikki5 posted...
    The reason they have a hard time getting over it is because it was made very clear that they were his kids in Mario 3.

    Proof?
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    TateJay 14 hours ago#58
    Endgame posted...
    Emphasis on "almost". Canon incest is few and far between.

    There's four examples in Genealogy that don't require player choices.

    -ArvisxDiadora, the important one.

    -EldiganxLachesis, it was confirmed the two had incesteous feelings for each other.

    -Julius and Ishtar. Overlooked, but the two are in fact cousins.

    -Altenna and Arion. Ignoring the incesteous feelings they felt before Altenna knew they weren't siblings, it's still implied they got together and helped unify the Thracia region. And here's the kicker: Noba and Dain were siblings. Therefore the Leonsterian and Thracian royal families are distant relatives.

    Four is a bit more than almost non-existent, don't you think?

    And let's not forget how Seliph and Julia are in a Luke and Leia situation where they're awfully fond of each other before they know the truth.....

    This is seriously messed up. How so people actually buy FE games?
    Blayshy 14 hours ago#59
    TateJay posted...
    Endgame posted...
    Emphasis on "almost". Canon incest is few and far between.

    There's four examples in Genealogy that don't require player choices.

    -ArvisxDiadora, the important one.

    -EldiganxLachesis, it was confirmed the two had incesteous feelings for each other.

    -Julius and Ishtar. Overlooked, but the two are in fact cousins.

    -Altenna and Arion. Ignoring the incesteous feelings they felt before Altenna knew they weren't siblings, it's still implied they got together and helped unify the Thracia region. And here's the kicker: Noba and Dain were siblings. Therefore the Leonsterian and Thracian royal families are distant relatives.

    Four is a bit more than almost non-existent, don't you think?

    And let's not forget how Seliph and Julia are in a Luke and Leia situation where they're awfully fond of each other before they know the truth.....

    This is seriously messed up. How so people actually buy FE games?

    Genealogy is JP-only, brah.
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    TateJay 14 hours ago#60
    ^ Censorship doesn't mean it's not there. It's like hiding something with a blanket.
    Pokejedservo 14 hours ago#61
    Here is some more...

    - Link was always able to talk even in the old days, not just in adaptations like the comics/manga but also in the games as Link did speak in Adventure of Link for the NES as he states out loud that you have found the mirror, granted its his only line but still. The idea of Link being a mute was something that Post-Ocarina games tried to reinforce over the years for the most part. (Aside from Wind Waker where Link frequently shouts "come on".)
    - The idea of Link being more of an Avatar than a Character came in over time Post-Ocarina of TIme as before OoT there was just simply one Link.
    - Though that being said while OoT definitely popularized the idea of multiple timelines within the Zelda franchise for better or for worse, OoT did not create it. After all there is Adventure of Link which did introduce the older original Princess Zelda which was put in a magical coma for centuries.
    - Oh yes and while the New Super Mario Bros series may get people to think that Mario has always been "Save Princess Peach from Bowser in the Mushroom Kingdom". Actually back in the NES and SNES eras only 2 of the Super Mario platformers were in the Mushroom Kingdom 1 and 3 (well okay 3 if you count the Japanese Super Mario Bros 2). Mario gets to be in various other lands such as Subcon in US SMB2, Sarasaland in Super Mario Land, Mario Land in Super Mario Land 2, Dinosaur Island in Super Mario World and SMW2 Yoshi's Island. Not too mention how only in Super Mario World had a "Save Princess Peach from Bowser" story and Peach was actually playable in US Super Mario Bros. 2

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    Pokejedservo 14 hours ago#62
    Oh yes and as for some Hardware Specific ones

    - A lot of people claim that the SNES was the last truly successful console from Nintendo until the Wii came in. But while the SNES was indeed successful in the end at first during the 4th console Gen the Sega Genesis was winning and had a strong lead. (But then again the Genesis did come first as it came out in the late 80s while the SNES was 1991.) While Sega had a strong lead in the US at first by the mid-90s they were starting to have a lot more issues such as how they were starting to have too many systems out in which Nintendo was starting to get a lead and win. (However this was in the US as the Mega Drive was a bit of a flop in Japan and the Super Famicom did a lot better. Conversely while in the US, the Sega Genesis was a strong rival of the Super NES but the TurboGrafx 16 barely made a blip in the radar. But in Japan this is the reverse as the PC Engine/Turbo Grafx was the stronger rival for the Super Famicom as the Mega Drive flopped.)
    - The real reason why the N64 became what it is, is a bit more complicated. Sony released the Playstation in '94 while Nintendo & Sega tried to get their news systems out in the mid 90s as Sega rushed the Saturn out the door in 94. Meanwhile Nintendo tried to get the N64 released in 95 but they couldn't get it ready on time so they released the Virtual Boy which was a prototype that was also not fully ready to be released and it became the initial infamous flop for Nintendo.
    - Also the real reason why the N64 was cartirdge only is also a bit more complicated. According to certain press pre-release info on the N64 the Disk Drive for the system was originally going tp be with the system right from the start. However since the Virtual Boy was such a flop in 95 that only lasted about a year they released the N64 in latter '96 as at least the cartirdge part was ready. The Disk Drive wasn't ready until the late 90s in which it was released as a Add-on console that didn't sell well enough to leave Japan.
    - A lot of people claim that its all Nintendo's fault that Sony rised as a prominent power ever since over the course of the 5th console Gen due to the infamous SNES Playstation deal. However Sega also played a role as after the SNES/PS deal fell through Sony did try to strike a deal with Sega in which while the American Branch welcomed Sony with open arms their Japanese branch said no and told Sony to get lost. 
    - However while people still debate who was at fault for the SNES/PS deal to fall through namely Nintendo & Sony (or both equally). Keep in mind that this is for a Add-on console like the ones fpr the TurboGrafx and the ones for the Sega Genesis (CD and 32x) all of which flopped in the US. Could the SNES/PS been any different? Who knows...
    GeneralFox 13 hours ago#63
    SkyCrackers posted...
    ikki5 posted...
    The reason they have a hard time getting over it is because it was made very clear that they were his kids in Mario 3.

    Proof?


    It does say it in the US Manual that they are in fact his kids.

    http://www.gamesdatabase.org/Media/SYSTEM/Nintendo_NES/manual/Formated/Super_Mario_Bros._3_-_1990_-_Nintendo.pdf

    I'd like to see if it lists them as his children in the original Japanese manual though. Which is much better proof. Incorrect translations and the original creators will always get final and all.

    Japanese manual is here:
    https://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/525245-super-mario-bros-3/65523084

    Found it on a 4 year old topic:
    https://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/525245-super-mario-bros-3/65523084

    Posted By: LinkTheLefty
    "The Japanese manual is actually fairly close to the English manual outside of some of the quirkier Koopaling mannerisms of speech getting a bit lost in translation, but they do indeed refer to Bowser as "Oyaji" - or Father. While that can also work as a term of endearment in Japan, Bowser does introduce them as his kids with an arrogant tone, so he's supposed to be extremely prideful of them. So in short: yes, it does. Plus I believe the back of the box mentioned it, and Japanese advertisements around the time. Oddly enough, I don't think the manual's story mentions it, but I'll check later."
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    Blayshy 7 hours ago#64
    Miyamoto is just a big baby, nowadays.
    He retcons right and left. Hey, kids, did you know that SMB3 never happened? That was just a play.
    Did you know also that the Mario characters are just actors (which create some plot holes)?
    Are you aware that Miyamoto is Bowser Jr.'s mom (despite how non-sensical this is)?

    The thing is, there was no warning about that s***. Even in Japan, they were his children.
    Which is why some people refuse to consider it true.
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    ikki5 7 hours ago#65
    @SkyCrackers posted...
    ikki5 posted...
    The reason they have a hard time getting over it is because it was made very clear that they were his kids in Mario 3.

    Proof?



    http://www.gamesdatabase.org/Media/SYSTEM/Nintendo_NES/manual/Formated/Super_Mario_Bros._3_-_1990_-_Nintendo.pdf

    Take note of page 4, and then also page 5 when it tells the story.
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      Endgame 17 hours ago#51
      Emphasis on "almost". Canon incest is few and far between.

      There's four examples in Genealogy that don't require player choices.

      -ArvisxDiadora, the important one.

      -EldiganxLachesis, it was confirmed the two had incesteous feelings for each other.

      -Julius and Ishtar. Overlooked, but the two are in fact cousins.

      -Altenna and Arion. Ignoring the incesteous feelings they felt before Altenna knew they weren't siblings, it's still implied they got together and helped unify the Thracia region. And here's the kicker: Noba and Dain were siblings. Therefore the Leonsterian and Thracian royal families are distant relatives.

      Four is a bit more than almost non-existent, don't you think?

      And let's not forget how Seliph and Julia are in a Luke and Leia situation where they're awfully fond of each other before they know the truth.....
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      ikki5 15 hours ago#53
      Lemon_Master posted...
      The Koopaling's aren't Bowser's children. That's been shown several times. Mario fans just need to get over that already.


      The reason they have a hard time getting over it is because it was made very clear that they were his kids in Mario 3.Miyamoto just came in and decided to change canon completely.
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      Blayshy 15 hours ago#54
      Navi's not a he.
      Uh... A-Are you sure to interact with others?
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      AkaneJones 15 hours ago#55
      Pokejedservo posted...
      - The US Super Mario Bros 2 was indeed always a Mario game. In Japan the game we know as US SMB 2 was going to be a Mario game right from the start but since SMB 1 was selling so well in Japan, NOJ wanted a sequel to SMB 1 right away ASAP so they released Super Mario Bros 2/Lost Levels which was basically SMB 1 but different and highly difficult levels and the SMB 2 that we know of became the game Doki Doki Panic. But since NOA deemed SMB2J/LL to be way too difficult and way too similar to Super Mario 1 they looked at Doki Doki Panic which was originally going to be a Mario game and then turn it into one for the US Market.


      Actually Super Mario Bros. 2: The Lost Levels came about because of the Minus World glitch in Super Mario Bros. Over in Japan this was a much larger rumor of the time because it was found that the player could access a world select via hot swapping the Super Mario Bros. cart with Tennis and playing a it then sticking it back in. This switched the value used for the continue function and jumped you worlds, which you aren't intended to go to like World 9, A-Z, (the minus world) , and the rest of the 256 sprites that load after the text characters. 

      These rumors we so well known that they were the spawn of Super Mario Bros. 2: The Lost Levels ideas for Miyamoto creating his own version. In fact the entire World 9 is a direct reference to those glitch levels as the load underwater level version of not underwater levels, several glitch castles, and even the old poison mushroom. They seem like a level hack because it was inspired by the glitch, at randomly pull level data from else where. 

      Mean while Doki Doki Panic was started as a Mario Game, deemed not Mario enough changed to a TV chanel mascot game, then retro fitted back to a Mario game for the west. We can't really say what a pure Mario version of Doki Doki Panic would have been like because most of the valid development when towards it being Doki Doki Panic.
      MegaMettaur 14 hours ago#56
      _Dog posted...
      Lemon_Master posted...
      It's not that big of a retcon. It's only two years. Sonic was de-aged from 16 to 15 once as well.

      Miyamoto also said that the Koopalings were not Bowser's children

      He also said that A Link to the Past was the last game chronologically

      It can be hard to take him seriously when it comes to canon.

      He also said that Zelda wasn't supposed to be experienced like a series of conjoined stories. They were all supposed to stand on their own. 

      Also Minamoto said alttp was the first game, not the last. Then Oot came out.
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      SkyCrackers 14 hours ago#57
      ikki5 posted...
      The reason they have a hard time getting over it is because it was made very clear that they were his kids in Mario 3.

      Proof?
      "Theyre not only moron but also Galapagosian Lolita Complexed Chicken." -Tomonobu Itagaki
      TateJay 14 hours ago#58
      Endgame posted...
      Emphasis on "almost". Canon incest is few and far between.

      There's four examples in Genealogy that don't require player choices.

      -ArvisxDiadora, the important one.

      -EldiganxLachesis, it was confirmed the two had incesteous feelings for each other.

      -Julius and Ishtar. Overlooked, but the two are in fact cousins.

      -Altenna and Arion. Ignoring the incesteous feelings they felt before Altenna knew they weren't siblings, it's still implied they got together and helped unify the Thracia region. And here's the kicker: Noba and Dain were siblings. Therefore the Leonsterian and Thracian royal families are distant relatives.

      Four is a bit more than almost non-existent, don't you think?

      And let's not forget how Seliph and Julia are in a Luke and Leia situation where they're awfully fond of each other before they know the truth.....

      This is seriously messed up. How so people actually buy FE games?
      Blayshy 14 hours ago#59
      TateJay posted...
      Endgame posted...
      Emphasis on "almost". Canon incest is few and far between.

      There's four examples in Genealogy that don't require player choices.

      -ArvisxDiadora, the important one.

      -EldiganxLachesis, it was confirmed the two had incesteous feelings for each other.

      -Julius and Ishtar. Overlooked, but the two are in fact cousins.

      -Altenna and Arion. Ignoring the incesteous feelings they felt before Altenna knew they weren't siblings, it's still implied they got together and helped unify the Thracia region. And here's the kicker: Noba and Dain were siblings. Therefore the Leonsterian and Thracian royal families are distant relatives.

      Four is a bit more than almost non-existent, don't you think?

      And let's not forget how Seliph and Julia are in a Luke and Leia situation where they're awfully fond of each other before they know the truth.....

      This is seriously messed up. How so people actually buy FE games?

      Genealogy is JP-only, brah.
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      TateJay 14 hours ago#60
      ^ Censorship doesn't mean it's not there. It's like hiding something with a blanket.
      Pokejedservo 14 hours ago#61
      Here is some more...

      - Link was always able to talk even in the old days, not just in adaptations like the comics/manga but also in the games as Link did speak in Adventure of Link for the NES as he states out loud that you have found the mirror, granted its his only line but still. The idea of Link being a mute was something that Post-Ocarina games tried to reinforce over the years for the most part. (Aside from Wind Waker where Link frequently shouts "come on".)
      - The idea of Link being more of an Avatar than a Character came in over time Post-Ocarina of TIme as before OoT there was just simply one Link.
      - Though that being said while OoT definitely popularized the idea of multiple timelines within the Zelda franchise for better or for worse, OoT did not create it. After all there is Adventure of Link which did introduce the older original Princess Zelda which was put in a magical coma for centuries.
      - Oh yes and while the New Super Mario Bros series may get people to think that Mario has always been "Save Princess Peach from Bowser in the Mushroom Kingdom". Actually back in the NES and SNES eras only 2 of the Super Mario platformers were in the Mushroom Kingdom 1 and 3 (well okay 3 if you count the Japanese Super Mario Bros 2). Mario gets to be in various other lands such as Subcon in US SMB2, Sarasaland in Super Mario Land, Mario Land in Super Mario Land 2, Dinosaur Island in Super Mario World and SMW2 Yoshi's Island. Not too mention how only in Super Mario World had a "Save Princess Peach from Bowser" story and Peach was actually playable in US Super Mario Bros. 2

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      Pokejedservo 14 hours ago#62
      Oh yes and as for some Hardware Specific ones

      - A lot of people claim that the SNES was the last truly successful console from Nintendo until the Wii came in. But while the SNES was indeed successful in the end at first during the 4th console Gen the Sega Genesis was winning and had a strong lead. (But then again the Genesis did come first as it came out in the late 80s while the SNES was 1991.) While Sega had a strong lead in the US at first by the mid-90s they were starting to have a lot more issues such as how they were starting to have too many systems out in which Nintendo was starting to get a lead and win. (However this was in the US as the Mega Drive was a bit of a flop in Japan and the Super Famicom did a lot better. Conversely while in the US, the Sega Genesis was a strong rival of the Super NES but the TurboGrafx 16 barely made a blip in the radar. But in Japan this is the reverse as the PC Engine/Turbo Grafx was the stronger rival for the Super Famicom as the Mega Drive flopped.)
      - The real reason why the N64 became what it is, is a bit more complicated. Sony released the Playstation in '94 while Nintendo & Sega tried to get their news systems out in the mid 90s as Sega rushed the Saturn out the door in 94. Meanwhile Nintendo tried to get the N64 released in 95 but they couldn't get it ready on time so they released the Virtual Boy which was a prototype that was also not fully ready to be released and it became the initial infamous flop for Nintendo.
      - Also the real reason why the N64 was cartirdge only is also a bit more complicated. According to certain press pre-release info on the N64 the Disk Drive for the system was originally going tp be with the system right from the start. However since the Virtual Boy was such a flop in 95 that only lasted about a year they released the N64 in latter '96 as at least the cartirdge part was ready. The Disk Drive wasn't ready until the late 90s in which it was released as a Add-on console that didn't sell well enough to leave Japan.
      - A lot of people claim that its all Nintendo's fault that Sony rised as a prominent power ever since over the course of the 5th console Gen due to the infamous SNES Playstation deal. However Sega also played a role as after the SNES/PS deal fell through Sony did try to strike a deal with Sega in which while the American Branch welcomed Sony with open arms their Japanese branch said no and told Sony to get lost. 
      - However while people still debate who was at fault for the SNES/PS deal to fall through namely Nintendo & Sony (or both equally). Keep in mind that this is for a Add-on console like the ones fpr the TurboGrafx and the ones for the Sega Genesis (CD and 32x) all of which flopped in the US. Could the SNES/PS been any different? Who knows...
      GeneralFox 13 hours ago#63
      SkyCrackers posted...
      ikki5 posted...
      The reason they have a hard time getting over it is because it was made very clear that they were his kids in Mario 3.

      Proof?


      It does say it in the US Manual that they are in fact his kids.

      http://www.gamesdatabase.org/Media/SYSTEM/Nintendo_NES/manual/Formated/Super_Mario_Bros._3_-_1990_-_Nintendo.pdf

      I'd like to see if it lists them as his children in the original Japanese manual though. Which is much better proof. Incorrect translations and the original creators will always get final and all.

      Japanese manual is here:
      https://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/525245-super-mario-bros-3/65523084

      Found it on a 4 year old topic:
      https://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/525245-super-mario-bros-3/65523084

      Posted By: LinkTheLefty
      "The Japanese manual is actually fairly close to the English manual outside of some of the quirkier Koopaling mannerisms of speech getting a bit lost in translation, but they do indeed refer to Bowser as "Oyaji" - or Father. While that can also work as a term of endearment in Japan, Bowser does introduce them as his kids with an arrogant tone, so he's supposed to be extremely prideful of them. So in short: yes, it does. Plus I believe the back of the box mentioned it, and Japanese advertisements around the time. Oddly enough, I don't think the manual's story mentions it, but I'll check later."
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      Blayshy 7 hours ago#64
      Miyamoto is just a big baby, nowadays.
      He retcons right and left. Hey, kids, did you know that SMB3 never happened? That was just a play.
      Did you know also that the Mario characters are just actors (which create some plot holes)?
      Are you aware that Miyamoto is Bowser Jr.'s mom (despite how non-sensical this is)?

      The thing is, there was no warning about that s***. Even in Japan, they were his children.
      Which is why some people refuse to consider it true.
      Uh... A-Are you sure to interact with others?
      -Mario, Ganondorf, Sonic, Bowser Jr. / Wendy, Duck Hunt, Marth, Mewtwo Mainer.
      ikki5 7 hours ago#65
      @SkyCrackers posted...
      ikki5 posted...
      The reason they have a hard time getting over it is because it was made very clear that they were his kids in Mario 3.

      Proof?



      http://www.gamesdatabase.org/Media/SYSTEM/Nintendo_NES/manual/Formated/Super_Mario_Bros._3_-_1990_-_Nintendo.pdf

      Take note of page 4, and then also page 5 when it tells the story.
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