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April 17, 2017

Smith Hart tears into Dave Meltzer over the Mauro/JBL issue.

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invertedlegdrop 13 hours ago#1
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A controversial issue that has made headline news as of late, seems to be the debate/saga surrounding Mauro Ranallo and John Layfield. As many may or may not know, we used Mauro as a commentator for Stampede wrestling in Calgary in his early days after he got started in BC for All Star Wrestling, and for a considerable amount of time, Mauro and my dear niece Jenny (sister of Natalya, daughter of Jim & Ellie) were a long-term item. 
I have avoided this controversial issue as of now, due to the personal family matters that lay at my relationship with Mauro, but due to the traction and dirt sheet gossip that has consumed this issue, I felt a need to chime in. 

I feel the biggest issue with this whole controversy beyond anything is the stirring of the pot of the numerous Dirt sheet gossip queens like Dave Meltzer. A friend recently provided me a link to Dave throwing a tantrum on this issue on his own podcast. In his tantrum, he squealed that he felt WWE was outdated and beyond behind the times, because they don’t recognize his superfluous awards system. Quite frankly, Dave’s ego has exploded as clearly anyone with a fraction of a brain, can see WWE doesn’t need Meltzer, it is Meltzer that depends his entire career on the existence of WWE. The ego to assume his awards and opinions have earned enough merit to warrant discussion on WWE TV is absolutely ego-maniacal. While smaller Indy promotions may depend on Meltzer for exposure and publicity, if Dave Meltzer retired today or never covered WWE again, not only would it not impact WWE a fraction negatively, I would argue that their business would double as would the income of many of its talents, as Dave’s lies and gossip have done more irreparable harm to wrestling than all other dirt sheet gossip queens combined. 

Dave further lamented that he said if WWE doesn’t implement some discipline against JBL for this issue, that he hoped for harm against the WWE. This is a vengeful comment for someone who clearly feels his opinions supersede WWE’s business. But the short-sighted absurdity of it astonishes me. Without WWE in business Dave would be on welfare begging for bread crumbs. UFC already has the much more credible Ariel Helwani and the remainder of the wrestling business doesn’t have enough sustainability without WWE being in business that he would have no one reading his opinions on shows that sell 50 tickets. And since he has spent his entire adult life making a career out of selling his opinions of WWE as ground-breaking news, he has no credibility or real life experience to ever get another job outside of working at the counter at McDonalds or as a Wal-Mart greeter the rest of his life. 

At the heart of this entire issue is the passive submissive over-entitlement of today’s society, that when anyone does anything or says anything that offends them, they need to complain and cry until everyone apologizes. Its not that long ago that guys like Mr. Fuji, Curt Hennig, Davey Boy Smith, Johnny Valentine or even my father Stu were a part of this business and the ribbing nature that JBL is accused of turning into bullying ran rampant across the business. Do you ever wonder how these over-entitled sissies would have faired in a locker room with Johnny Valentine. Quick answer, they would have been sent home crying on the first day.
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invertedlegdrop 12 hours ago#2
Frankly, what those complaining don’t seem to understand is the grind of being on the road. Wrestlers in the WWE spend anywhere from 200-300 days a year on the road away from their families. It is not a normal lifestyle by any stretch of the imagination. It is not much different than the type of environment of being in a high school boys football locker room. If WWE’s corporate culture was to crack down on this level of behavior then you would see a higher level of over-entitled wimps cracking under the pressure and going home ala CM Punk. Without the ability to blow off steam, this level of lifestyle is not sustainable by anyone. So if the talents don’t blow off steam, with some fun, they cant be on the road full time. If they cant be on the road full time, they don’t make a full time living. If they don’t make a full time living the WWE cant sustain business. And if the WWE cant sustain business the business as a whole crashes. If WWE’s corporate culture cracked down on all ribs and said no more practical jokes or hazing as gossip mongers like Meltzer have dubbed it, then a line would get drawn in the sand that make it all business and no fun. No off time with friends, no family time and no road fun with the boys. That is a dangerous recipe. 


To those that would quit or wish to leave their supposed dream job because they got ribbed clearly don’t have the passion for wrestling that they claim. This is the fantasy camp argument I have made hundreds of times. Today’s generation seems filled with individuals who grew up as fans/ marks of the business. They worked through the indies basically able to write their own ticket and have whatever they wanted because there is no business structure on the indies whatsoever. Then they get to WWE and not only do they not get to main event Wrestlemania against their best friends (CM Punk), they get teased by the bigger kids in the playground. So since these issues were not part of their fantasy, instead of continuing to live their “dream job” they quit and go home. I never heard my brother Owen think about quitting when he was put in the Blue Blazer outfit and nobody ever quit a job over any hazing done by Curt Hennig or Mr. Fuji. I guess that’s the difference between true passion and fantasy camp. 


While I don’t have a personal relationship with JBL to speak of, I have no reason to believe he has done or said anything that exceeds any rib that came before him. And while a great number of souls have spoken out against JBL such as Blue Meanie, Todd Grisham, Joey Styles, Justin Roberts, John Morrison and Simon Dean, many more such as Ron Simmons, Teddy Long, Bruce Prichard, Jim Cornette, Jim Ross, Vince McMahon and even my own mother Helen have always spoke glowingly of him. JBL is the sole reason WWE was ever able to go over seas for the Tribute to the Troops shows. JBL raises money for disadvantaged youth in his community. JBL is a humanitarian and gentleman from my perspective. And while JBL isn’t a fraction of the commentator that Mauro Ranallo is he is an incredible talent and team player who has earned his spot on the WWE roster. 


Lastly I feel the distinction needs to be made that while WWE may have been Mauro’s dream job circa 2000-2005, the 2017 Mauro Ranallo has much better offers and higher goals and more money on the table. WWE was simply a bucket list item for Mauro that has now been accomplished. WWE needed Mauro more than Mauro needed WWE. And frankly WWE clearly doesn’t need Mauro that much. It hasn’t been Mauro complaining publicly about this issue. Only the gossip queens have publicly complained as Mr. Ranallo honestly has more dignity and bigger fish to fry. 

I encourage anyone to please comment, give an opposing view and tell me what you think.
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Dynedux 12 hours ago#3
I agree with this Hart, but at the same time... Is it genetically encoded into that families DNA to b**** and moan?
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invertedlegdrop 12 hours ago#4
tl;dr Hart says that Meltzer is fanning the flames over the Mauro/JBL deal due to Meltzer going on a egotrip and throwing a fit because WWE wont recognize his awards. 

Sorry for the triple post, character limitations and such.
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I4NRulez 12 hours ago#5
I dont agree with this. I think Dave does wrestling a solid.

I dont always agree with his opinions but i think he's the only credible journalist who doesnt see wrestling as a fake sport and reviews it seriously for what the wrestlers do and psychology they use.

Wrestling fans just get too attached to something they like but i think Dave overall is great for wrestling.

and saying bullying isn't wrong because its common in wrestling isn't a great argument.
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Twins fan 12 hours ago#6
if Dave Meltzer retired today or never covered WWE again, not only would it not impact WWE a fraction negatively, I would argue that their business would double as would the income of many of its talents, as Dave’s lies and gossip have done more irreparable harm to wrestling than all other dirt sheet gossip queens combined. 

This guy literally thinks WWE and wrasslers would earn double what they currently are if Meltzer stopped covering wrestling. LOL
Jonny2284 12 hours ago#7
So another alsoran who think the matters boils down to "it happened in my day therefore it's alright to bully the commentator"

Oh and bonus points for working some CM Punk in there, that's sure to get it some press.
dmaduruh 12 hours ago#8
His opinion on the issue has no merit. He admittedly does not know JBL personally. JBL is known for sucking up to people with a higher position than he does, so of course the likes of Bruce Prichard, Jim Cornette, Jim Ross, Vince McMahon, and Helen Hart don't have a problem with him. And guys like Mr. Perfect, or even Owen Hart don't have the kind of reputation JBL does. Let's not act like everyone ribs the same way.

And for some reason, he feels the need to include CM Punk in the conversation. It's almost like he's purposely trying to court some type of controversy.
Sojy 12 hours ago#9
Dave further lamented that he said if WWE doesn’t implement some discipline against JBL for this issue, that he hoped for harm against the WWE. This is a vengeful comment for someone who clearly feels his opinions supersede WWE’s business. But the short-sighted absurdity of it astonishes me. Without WWE in business Dave would be on welfare begging for bread crumbs. UFC already has the much more credible Ariel Helwani and the remainder of the wrestling business doesn’t have enough sustainability without WWE being in business that he would have no one reading his opinions on shows that sell 50 tickets. And since he has spent his entire adult life making a career out of selling his opinions of WWE as ground-breaking news, he has no credibility or real life experience to ever get another job outside of working at the counter at McDonalds or as a Wal-Mart greeter the rest of his life.

Why is this guy speaking as if he's done any better? Smith Hart is a nobody.
He said CM Punk twice. Is he one of the phil s***posters from the board?

Also i like his whole 'blowing off steam' analogy lol. So blowing off steam because you're on the road all year is okay, but what about the ones also on the road all year getting the steam blown on to them? How do they blow off steam? Strangle a prostitute?
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WarGreymon77 12 hours ago#11
I generally don't like Meltzer, but I agree wholeheartedly with Dave on this issue. f*** bullying, and f*** ribbing too.
force_edge 9 hours ago#12
TheKingOf-Kings posted...
He said CM Punk twice. Is he one of the phil s***posters from the board?

Also i like his whole 'blowing off steam' analogy lol. So blowing off steam because you're on the road all year is okay, but what about the ones also on the road all year getting the steam blown on to them? How do they blow off steam? Strangle a prostitute?


Exactly what I came in here to say. Throwing CM Punk and his personal history with Ranallo into his rant doesn't make his weird-ass analogy any more logical.

What if, as a result of "blowing off steam", a talent had to no-show an event he was scheduled to wrestle at because he had to go make a new passport? Is management going to laugh and wave off the hassle of making last minute changes as "just letting people blow off steam"?

Smith Hart is a complete idiot, a tryhard, and a tool.
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WarGreymon77 posted...
I generally don't like Meltzer, but I agree wholeheartedly with Dave on this issue. f*** bullying, and f*** ribbing too.


I hope no one ever puts a whoppie cushion on your seat.
I had no idea Mauro used to bang Nattie's big t**** sister! Mama Mia indeed!
HulkSmash80s 8 hours ago#15
dmaduruh posted...
His opinion on the issue has no merit. He admittedly does not know JBL personally. JBL is known for sucking up to people with a higher position than he does, so of course the likes of Bruce Prichard, Jim Cornette, Jim Ross, Vince McMahon, and Helen Hart don't have a problem with him. And guys like Mr. Perfect, or even Owen Hart don't have the kind of reputation JBL does. Let's not act like everyone ribs the same way.


By all accounts, it seems like Mr. Perfect was a sadistic scumbag, who did even worse things than JBL ever did, but got a pass for it because of his death and being a well-liked wrestling character.
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Suspiria 8 hours ago#17
I4NRulez posted...
I dont agree with this. I think Dave does wrestling a solid.

No, he doesn't. He's always been useless. He's only propped up by dorks because of 'mah insider durt' which turns out to be false the majority of the time.
AndreLeGeant 7 hours ago#18
Seems there's a big difference between Owen putting cucumbers in Taker's tea and JBL stealing passports
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JimPean 7 hours ago#19
Literally WHO HART.

Yeah I ain't reading all that.
PunkRockGiik 7 hours ago#20
"If WWE’s corporate culture was to crack down on this level of behavior then you would see a higher level of over-entitled wimps cracking under the pressure and going home ala CM Punk. Without the ability to blow off steam, this level of lifestyle is not sustainable by anyone. So if the talents don’t blow off steam, with some fun, they cant be on the road full time. If they cant be on the road full time, they don’t make a full time living. If they don’t make a full time living the WWE cant sustain business. And if the WWE cant sustain business the business as a whole crashes."

Lol, what? Most wrestlers don't "blow off steam" in the way that JBL does. I guess they can't be on the road? I can't believe he's making this argument.
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AndreLeGeant 7 hours ago#21
Smith is stupid. He always has been. He's the screw up in the family who named his first kid Satania
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FluffyKidJoe 7 hours ago#22
Meltzer as a Walmart greeter would be kinda cool.
So speaking as someone who actually listens to everything Dave has said... Smith Hart is outright lying about some of the stuff he's said. Dave never said that WWE was outdated and behind the times for WWE not caring about the Wrestling Observer Awards, he said that WWE is strange because Mauro got heat for thanking people for voting for him, and that WWE is the only company in the world that would punish and give a guy hell because he posted about a fan award he got. Dave also never said he hopes for harm against WWE if they don't punish JBL. He said that they ought to punish JBL, has spoken reasonably about the situation making news, and said that if they don't and this picks up more traction then chances are that it will reflect negatively on them, and ultimately JBL isn't the issue and it's more the mentality of those in charge. And Dave has always been incredibly humble. I really don't understand why he's acting like Meltzer has a giant ego.

He's also missing the difference between ribs and outright terrorizing people. Like, did he not actually look to see what some of these people he listed said about what JBL has done? If you look at any of that and say "Oh, it's just good natured ribbing to let off some steam" then you're just detaching yourself from reality.
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bwtowne23 7 hours ago#24
RoosterGriffin posted...
I had no idea Mauro used to bang Nattie's big t**** sister! Mama Mia indeed!

Haha the only thing I got out of this rant
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JimPean 7 hours ago#25
FluffyKidJoe posted...
Meltzer as a Walmart greeter would be kinda cool.

Customer: Any good sales today?

Dave: Well, uh.. you know.. uhh... there's the uh.. see the thing is that uh.. you know.. uhm.. the sales are uh... here's the uh thing.. uhm.. I heard the gardening area has some uhm.. you know.. uh good sales. But plans can change.

Customer: T-thanks.
Dynedux 7 hours ago#26
JimPean posted...
FluffyKidJoe posted...
Meltzer as a Walmart greeter would be kinda cool.

Customer: Any good sales today?

Dave: Well, uh.. you know.. uhh... there's the uh.. see the thing is that uh.. you know.. uhm.. the sales are uh... here's the uh thing.. uhm.. I heard the gardening area has some uhm.. you know.. uh good sales. But plans can change.

Customer: T-thanks.

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ThePWBPoster 7 hours ago#27
Makes me wonder how Michael Cole never cracked yet, that guy is a wimp too.
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Vivi0198 6 hours ago#28
I agree with this man. The world is full of weak pathetic people. Weak people are just 'sick' now days and can't handle a joke.
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Vivi0198 6 hours ago#29
AndreLeGeant posted...
Seems there's a big difference between Owen putting cucumbers in Taker's tea and JBL stealing passports

You don't know s***.

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TERRA_RYZlN 6 hours ago#30
ThePWBPoster posted...
Makes me wonder how Michael Cole never cracked yet, that guy is a wimp too.

He is obviously not a wimp if he lasted all these years and Mauro last like 9 months or so.
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pycho316 6 hours ago#31
So this smacks of somebody who has some personal issues with Mauro (maybe he had issues with him going way back to when he dated his niece), is jokeying to earn some brownie points with WWE (hey guys I'm defending you, any open slots for an agent maybe?) and trying desperately to be relevant (I said C.M. Punk's name; am I trending yet?) 

I don't even feel like going into all the stupid in his arguments but when the bulk of the people who speak well of you are the guys you used to ride with and a bunch of promoters and bosses (i.e the guys giving him work) and the guys who speak poorly of you are fellow wrestlers and interviewers (i.e. guys lower on the totem pole) it's not hard to figure out what kind of person JBL is. 

Also the defense that it's ok cause he's just blowing off some steam and you're a whiner and a baby if you're not cool with eating that s*** all the time is stupid beyond belief. "Man, I could sure go for roofying a couple college girls and raping them while they're unconscious.....what? That's just how I blow off steam after being on the road for 2 weeks!"
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TERRA_RYZlN 6 hours ago#32
Wwe Universe chants CM Punk almost wvery week = sweet man

Smith hart mentions CM Punk = douchebag
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Dynedux 6 hours ago#33
Smith was always the weakest Hart. He didn't suckle on Stu's teet enough.
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monday nitro 6 hours ago#34
This whole thing stinks of sucking up to WWE. His whole arguement seems to be that life on the road is hard so you might as well do a bit of bullying. Also that Bullying was great fun in the old days of wrestling, you gotta keep on bullying and if you dont like it you are a wimp.

Like who is this guy? What an idiot.
PrivateBiscuit1 posted...
So speaking as someone who actually listens to everything Dave has said... Smith Hart is outright lying about some of the stuff he's said. Dave never said that WWE was outdated and behind the times for WWE not caring about the Wrestling Observer Awards, he said that WWE is strange because Mauro got heat for thanking people for voting for him, and that WWE is the only company in the world that would punish and give a guy hell because he posted about a fan award he got. Dave also never said he hopes for harm against WWE if they don't punish JBL. He said that they ought to punish JBL, has spoken reasonably about the situation making news, and said that if they don't and this picks up more traction then chances are that it will reflect negatively on them, and ultimately JBL isn't the issue and it's more the mentality of those in charge. And Dave has always been incredibly humble. I really don't understand why he's acting like Meltzer has a giant ego.

He's also missing the difference between ribs and outright terrorizing people. Like, did he not actually look to see what some of these people he listed said about what JBL has done? If you look at any of that and say "Oh, it's just good natured ribbing to let off some steam" then you're just detaching yourself from reality.

this. im glad you typed it because i didnt feel like it
AndreLeGeant 6 hours ago#36
Vivi0198 posted...
AndreLeGeant posted...
Seems there's a big difference between Owen putting cucumbers in Taker's tea and JBL stealing passports

You don't know s***.

http://prowrestlingstories.com/pro-wrestling-stories/mrfuji/4/

That's not about Owen Hart
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babyeatermax 5 hours ago#37
This guy
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curtland 5 hours ago#38
"The guys in MY day were terrible a******s to people all the time! They treated people they perceived as weaker than them like dog s***, just for their own amusement, and it was totally cool!"

Uh huh. Well times have changed and you can't just f***ing do that to people anymore.

I wonder if people like this get the insane irony in all their whining and crying about people who do nothing but whine and cry about everything.
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IronWolf87 5 hours ago#39
So if I become a wrestler, travel 300 days a year, and I abduct Smith Heart, and reenact the film Misery with me playing the role of Kathy Bates and he's James Caan, is that totally OK if it's just cause I'm blowing off some steam?
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ItsChristian 5 hours ago#40
Why the f*** did we need Smith Hart's opinion on the matter?
Byuusetsu 5 hours ago#41

if Dave Meltzer retired today or never covered WWE again, not only would it not impact WWE a fraction negatively, I would argue that their business would double as would the income of many of its talents, as Dave’s lies and gossip have done more irreparable harm to wrestling than all other dirt sheet gossip queens combined.


This is insane conjecture that makes no sense. Meltzer was around writing during both of wrestling's national booms.

And since he has spent his entire adult life making a career out of selling his opinions of WWE as ground-breaking news, he has no credibility or real life experience to ever get another job outside of working at the counter at McDonalds or as a Wal-Mart greeter the rest of his life.


This is also wrong, Meltzer has a journalism degree & was doing sports writing before the Observer. 

*followed up by a bunch of nonsense about bullying and passion and BS*

While I don’t have a personal relationship with JBL to speak of, I have no reason to believe he has done or said anything that exceeds any rib that came before him. And while a great number of souls have spoken out against JBL such as Blue Meanie, Todd Grisham, Joey Styles, Justin Roberts, John Morrison and Simon Dean, many more such as Ron Simmons, Teddy Long, Bruce Prichard, Jim Cornette, Jim Ross, Vince McMahon and even my own mother Helen have always spoke glowingly of him.


So he doesn't have any first hand knowledge of the situation, and basically everyone who praises JBL isn't in a position where JBL could possibly give them any s***. 


It hasn’t been Mauro complaining publicly about this issue. Only the gossip queens have publicly complained as Mr. Ranallo honestly has more dignity and bigger fish to fry. 


Mauro has more or less acknowledged it as have his close friends.
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Metal Bowser 5 hours ago#42
Smith has many opinions on things he knows nothing about. Always.
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saltedham 4 hours ago#44
Dynedux posted...
I agree with this Hart, but at the same time... Is it genetically encoded into that families DNA to b**** and moan?

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HulkSmash80s 4 hours ago#45
Metal Bowser posted...
Smith has many opinions on things he knows nothing about. Always.


Wasn't he the one who tried to claim WWE wouldn't pay for Tyson Kidd's surgery, and Kidd came out and denied it by saying he hadn't spoken to Smith in over a decade.
ThePWBPoster 4 hours ago#46
IronWolf87 posted...
So if I become a wrestler, travel 300 days a year, and I abduct Smith Heart, and reenact the film Misery with me playing the role of Kathy Bates and he's James Caan, is that totally OK if it's just cause I'm blowing off some steam?



In all my years I have never seen a Kathy Bates post on GameFaqs, that movie was sick but well done. My mom is what led me to her.
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TERRA_RYZlN posted...
ThePWBPoster posted...
Makes me wonder how Michael Cole never cracked yet, that guy is a wimp too.

He is obviously not a wimp if he lasted all these years and Mauro last like 9 months or so.


Mauro almost got his ass beat by trained fighters and Yakuza... If he left E he probably just felt he didn't need that s***.
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