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July 2, 2017

36 raids for internet posting, 0 arrest for jihadist sympathizers and preachers during this raid

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Itoldyaso 3 days ago#1
http://www.business-standard.com/article/news-ani/germany-raids-residences-of-36-people-accused-of-hateful-postings-over-social-media-117062100119_1.html
The German Police has raided the residences of 36 people accused of hateful postings over social media, including threats, coercion and incitement to racism.

Most of the raids concerned politically motivated right-wing incitement, according to the Federal Criminal Police Office, whose officers conducted home searches and interrogations. But the raids also targeted two people accused of left-wing extremist content, as well as one person accused of making threats or harassment based on someone's sexual orientation, the New York Times reported.

"The still high incidence of punishable hate posting shows a need for police action. Our free society must not allow a climate of fear, threat, criminal violence and violence either on the street or on the internet," Holger M√ľnch, president of the Federal Criminal Police Office said in a statement.

The raids come at a time when the Germans are debating the draft of a new social media law aimed at cracking down on hate speech, a measure that an array of experts said was unconstitutional at a parliamentary hearing on Monday.

36 raids for internet s***posting, 0 arrest for jihadist sympathizers and preachers during this raid.
Itoldyaso posted...
36 raids for internet s***posting, 0 arrest for jihadist sympathizers and preachers during this raid.


Did it occur to you they made these arrest during other raids? Second, your so called "Jihadist" sympathizers are also mostly internet s*** posters themselves.
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JcOpIVY86 3 days ago#3
Absolutely mental....oh there's the door....brb....
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JcOpIVY86 3 days ago#4
To be fair, Jihadists are pretty conservative....like EXTREMELY.
Sometimes it's what you don't do that makes you who you are.
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mercurydude 3 days ago#5
Can we get Trump to take a vacation to Germany for a few days? Might solve some of our problems.
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AmonAmarth 3 days ago#6
Germany being Germany.
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Itoldyaso 3 days ago#7
mercurydude posted...
Can we get Trump to take a vacation to Germany for a few days? Might solve some of our problems.

Trump's all talk. Duterte is the one who produce results.
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Stonedwolfed 3 days ago#8
ArabrockermanX posted...
your so called "Jihadist" sympathizers are also mostly internet s*** posters themselves


The sheer scale of Islamist attacks, from a tiny minority population, suggests this is not always the case.
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ozzyman314 3 days ago#9
"Leader of the free world", right?
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masher11 3 days ago#10
Germany is supposedly 4th best country in the world. I will give them they are the best country in the Islamic world.
TonyKojima 3 days ago#11
Good.
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Endgame 3 days ago#12
Germany being Germany.

Care to elaborate on what that's supposed to mean?

*Stares expectantly.*
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Endgame posted...
Germany being Germany.

Care to elaborate on what that's supposed to mean?

*Stares expectantly.*


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Wow, thats crazy.
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fftstudent 3 days ago#15
Why do Governments believe that suppressing fundematal basic liberties like Free Speech and Freedom of Expression to be a Good thing?

This is only going to create resentment towards Muslims and Government.
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mercurydude 3 days ago#16
Itoldyaso posted...
mercurydude posted...
Can we get Trump to take a vacation to Germany for a few days? Might solve some of our problems.

Trump's all talk. Duterte is the one who produce results.

Oh, I think you misunderstood me. I meant send him over there so he'd be dragged off to jail when he spouted something hateful.
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Red XlV 3 days ago#17
Itoldyaso posted...
mercurydude posted...
Can we get Trump to take a vacation to Germany for a few days? Might solve some of our problems.

Trump's all talk. Duterte is the one who produce results.

When the "result" is fascism, yes.
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Why are people, TC included, using an article that doesn't even mention them to being up Muslims?
Itoldyaso 3 days ago#19
The Great Muta 22 posted...
Why are people, TC included, using an article that doesn't even mention them to being up Muslims?

I thought you said jihadists are not real Muslims. Are they or are they not? Make up your mind.
Sub Tank 3 days ago#20
I wonder when they start putting them into camps.
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Ellesarien 3 days ago#21
It's futile though. Our modern world's foundation is hate towards others. It will only end at the predictable end of human annihilation.
I will try and see it from your point of view, but I doubt we'll be able to fit both our heads up there.
EuroKnight33 11 hours ago#22
this is indefensible
Itoldyaso posted...
mercurydude posted...
Can we get Trump to take a vacation to Germany for a few days? Might solve some of our problems.

Trump's all talk. Duterte is the one who produce results.


I mean, yeah, roaming death squads and anti-Western fascist values might get "results" even if it's at the point of a gun.

mfw somebody condemns Germany for this but supports "Kill without trial" Duterte rofl, modern right-wing is such a joke
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kg88222 8 hours ago#24
I wonder how a guy like Bob Dylan feels about all of this.
Itoldyaso posted...
But the raids also targeted two people accused of left-wing extremist content, as well as one person accused of making threats or harassment based on someone's sexual orientation, the New York Times reported.


hate speech is hate speech.

It's definitely punishable. People think they have a right to run their mouth without consequence, when they don't.

If people want to run their mouth and incite people to violence then those people deserve to be punished. Just as much as the people that commit the violence.

If you're tough enough to run your mouth on the internet then you should be tough enough to face the punishment.
sfcalimari 7 hours ago#26
Meanwhile American MRA trolls think censorship is when a feminist makes a youtube video.
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crillgamer 6 hours ago#27
Guess I'll watch what I say from now on
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Crissaegrim 6 hours ago#28
fudrick 6 hours ago#29
LoyalToTheGame posted...
People think they have a right to run their mouth without consequence, when they don't.


The fact that Germany doesn't grant its citizens the right to freedom of speech is what's being criticized. Simply pointing out the fact that they don't have that right is a total non-argument.
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Stonedwolfed 6 hours ago#30
fudrick posted...
LoyalToTheGame posted...
People think they have a right to run their mouth without consequence, when they don't.


The fact that Germany doesn't grant its citizens the right to freedom of speech is what's being criticized. Simply pointing out the fact that they don't have that right is a total non-argument.


They are supposed to have it under ECHR rules.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Article_10_of_the_European_Convention_on_Human_Rights
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fudrick posted...
LoyalToTheGame posted...
People think they have a right to run their mouth without consequence, when they don't.


The fact that Germany doesn't grant its citizens the right to freedom of speech is what's being criticized. Simply pointing out the fact that they don't have that right is a total non-argument.


Freedom of speech =/= freedom to hate speech.

Even the Canadian charter of rights and the US constitution have those restrictions.

Once again, I'll repeat myself. freedom of speech doesn't mean you can say whatever you want, like "all homosexuals must die" or other extremist things.

Like the OP said:

Itoldyaso posted...
as well as one person accused of making threats or harassment based on someone's sexual orientation, the New York Times reported.


Freedom of speech doesn't protect you from threats or harassment.

You want to run your mouth? Then face the consequences instead of whining " meh free speech is being taken away! wah wah wah"
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gogues 6 hours ago#32
Kinda makes me wonder what exactly was said. I mean, there could be a fine line between what, say, the trolls on here say and something that is more or less harassment/intimidation.
fudrick 5 hours ago#33
LoyalToTheGame posted...
Freedom of speech =/= freedom to hate speech.


What does it mean, then?

LoyalToTheGame posted...
Even the Canadian charter of rights and the US constitution have those restrictions.


The latter absolutely does not. Here's the relevant text of the first amendment:

Congress shall make no law ... abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press

No restrictions. Even if it did, that's still not an argument, it would simply mean that the US also doesn't grant its citizens the right to freedom of speech.

LoyalToTheGame posted...
freedom of speech doesn't mean you can say whatever you want


So it means that you can say whatever the government wants? That's some serious doublespeak type s***.
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gogues posted...
Kinda makes me wonder what exactly was said. I mean, there could be a fine line between what, say, the trolls on here say and something that is more or less harassment/intimidation.


Internet trolls are sociopaths, they're the type of people that in the real world are too shy or too much of a coward to say anything in most situations so they hide behind a keyboard as much as possible.

In the real world most internet trolls would get punched in the face for half the s*** they say or probably get charged for harassment/inciting violence with the way they run their mouths.
fudrick posted...
LoyalToTheGame posted...
Freedom of speech =/= freedom to hate speech.


What does it mean, then?

LoyalToTheGame posted...
Even the Canadian charter of rights and the US constitution have those restrictions.


The latter absolutely does not. Here's the relevant text of the first amendment:

Congress shall make no law ... abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press

No restrictions. Even if it did, that's still not an argument, it would simply mean that the US also doesn't grant its citizens the right to freedom of speech.

LoyalToTheGame posted...
freedom of speech doesn't mean you can say whatever you want


So it means that you can say whatever the government wants? That's some serious doublespeak type s***.


youre clearly a troll. Goodbye.
Stonedwolfed 5 hours ago#36
LoyalToTheGame posted...
Freedom of speech =/= freedom to hate speech.


If that were true we'd arrest every Christian who objected to gay marriage. And the Republicans could arrest the Democrats, and the Democrats could arrest the Republicans (lets face it, many of them clearly hate each other).

Your position is just absurd.


If we do not believe in the freedom of speech for those we most despise, then we do not believe in it at all.


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fudrick 5 hours ago#37
LoyalToTheGame posted...
fudrick posted...
LoyalToTheGame posted...
Freedom of speech =/= freedom to hate speech.


What does it mean, then?

LoyalToTheGame posted...
Even the Canadian charter of rights and the US constitution have those restrictions.


The latter absolutely does not. Here's the relevant text of the first amendment:

Congress shall make no law ... abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press

No restrictions. Even if it did, that's still not an argument, it would simply mean that the US also doesn't grant its citizens the right to freedom of speech.

LoyalToTheGame posted...
freedom of speech doesn't mean you can say whatever you want


So it means that you can say whatever the government wants? That's some serious doublespeak type s***.


youre clearly a troll. Goodbye.


Translation: "I can't actually defend my position without looking like a totalitarian freak, so I'll just dismiss your simple and reasonable questions."
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Stonedwolfed posted...
If that were true we'd arrest every Christian who objected to gay marriage. And the Republicans could arrest the Democrats, and the Democrats could arrest the Republicans (lets face it, many of them clearly hate each other).


Not absurd

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hate_speech#United_States

since the 1940s your Supreme Court has been passing laws to prevent hate speech. If your government or police don't enforce those laws that's a different story.

Perhaps I misspoke when I said it was in your constitution or whatever but my point still stands.
UltimaXOmega 5 hours ago#39
The AFD polls poorly,Merkel has a 65% approval rating and Germans will be a minority in 5-10 years. 
I keep telling people that Germany is far worse off than Sweden.
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fudrick 5 hours ago#40
LoyalToTheGame posted...
Stonedwolfed posted...
If that were true we'd arrest every Christian who objected to gay marriage. And the Republicans could arrest the Democrats, and the Democrats could arrest the Republicans (lets face it, many of them clearly hate each other).


Not absurd

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hate_speech#United_States

since the 1940s your Supreme Court has been passing laws to prevent hate speech. If your government or police don't enforce those laws that's a different story.

Perhaps I misspoke when I said it was in your constitution or whatever but my point still stands.


What's your point? If law enforcement of the US starts arresting people en masse for Facebook posts that would be abhorrent too. You aren't actually defending the violation of freedom of speech you're just deflecting.
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crillgamer 5 hours ago#41
gogues posted...
Kinda makes me wonder what exactly was said. I mean, there could be a fine line between what, say, the trolls on here say and something that is more or less harassment/intimidation.


I'm curious about that too. Was it blatant hate speech? Or politically incorrect? Or a fine line between the two.
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Red XlV 1 hour ago#42
LoyalToTheGame posted...
since the 1940s your Supreme Court has been passing laws

Nope.
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EuroKnight33 39 minutes ago#43
LoyalToTheGame posted...
gogues posted...
Kinda makes me wonder what exactly was said. I mean, there could be a fine line between what, say, the trolls on here say and something that is more or less harassment/intimidation.

Internet trolls are sociopaths, they're the type of people that in the real world are too shy or too much of a coward to say anything in most situations so they hide behind a keyboard as much as possible.

In the real world most internet trolls would get punched in the face for half the s*** they say or probably get charged for harassment/inciting violence with the way they run their mouths.

"People who disagree with me deserve to be punched" is somehow not hate speech.
LoyalToTheGame 18 minutes ago#44
EuroKnight33 posted...
LoyalToTheGame posted...
gogues posted...
Kinda makes me wonder what exactly was said. I mean, there could be a fine line between what, say, the trolls on here say and something that is more or less harassment/intimidation.

Internet trolls are sociopaths, they're the type of people that in the real world are too shy or too much of a coward to say anything in most situations so they hide behind a keyboard as much as possible.

In the real world most internet trolls would get punched in the face for half the s*** they say or probably get charged for harassment/inciting violence with the way they run their mouths.

"People who disagree with me deserve to be punched" is somehow not hate speech.


I never said that, but nice trolling. Just proves my point even more.
EuroKnight34 12 minutes ago#45
LoyalToTheGame posted...
EuroKnight33 posted...
LoyalToTheGame posted...
gogues posted...
Kinda makes me wonder what exactly was said. I mean, there could be a fine line between what, say, the trolls on here say and something that is more or less harassment/intimidation.

Internet trolls are sociopaths, they're the type of people that in the real world are too shy or too much of a coward to say anything in most situations so they hide behind a keyboard as much as possible.

In the real world most internet trolls would get punched in the face for half the s*** they say or probably get charged for harassment/inciting violence with the way they run their mouths.

"People who disagree with me deserve to be punched" is somehow not hate speech.


I never said that, but nice trolling. Just proves my point even more.

Yeah, because it's not trolling to say "the things you say would get you punched or charged with crimes in most places of the world" without following it up with "...and that's f***ed up".
LoyalToTheGame 7 minutes ago#46
EuroKnight34 posted...
Yeah, because it's not trolling to say "the things you say would get you punched or charged with crimes in most places of the world" without following it up with "...and that's f***ed up".


it's not f'ed up because when you harass people in real life and keep poking them and prodding them intentionally trying to upset them, and they react with violence, that's what's expected to happen. That's why you hear a lot of time that cops don't press charges after they're called to a scene of a fight or they brush it off as "self defence." It's called having common sense. What people like you don't have. But I'm not going to entertain trolls like you anymore because you guys really are pathetic and sociopathic in nature. Keep replying if you want, but I'm moving on. 

I'm not going to let you incite a reply from me by posting complete utter bulls*** simply because you know you'll go unpunished for it. 

Have a good one.
EuroKnight34 4 minutes ago#47
Hint: Disagreeing with you is not harassment.
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