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July 4, 2017

First baby born in Canada without assigned gender



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    Not that the baby was born in some ambiguous way, but the guardians don't want one recorded.

    http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-40480386
    Parent Kori Doty - a non-binary transgender person who identifies as neither male nor female - aims to allow the child to discover their own gender. 

    The health card has been issued with a "U" in the space for "sex", which could be for "undetermined" or "unassigned".

    Kori Doty is fighting to omit the gender from the birth certificate.

    The parent gave birth to Searyl Atli in November at a friend's home in British Columbia. Kori Doty, who prefers to use the pronoun they, argues that a visual inspection at birth is unable to determine what gender that person will have or identify with later in life.

    [...]

    Canadian media reported that the baby's health card could be the first in the world to not have a gender designation.


    tbqh the only part that gets me is this

    The family's lawyer, barbara findlay, who chooses to spell her name without capital letters, told Global News.....

    I WILL NOT ALLOW IT
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    ProfitProphet 6 hours ago#2
    GuessMyUserName posted...
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    Jeff Zero 6 hours ago#3
    not spelling one's name with capital letters is maybe some kind of statement on perceived lack of self-importance. ironically, it causes the individual to stand out considerably more. i've noticed that people who refuse to type with capital letters are often very obsessed with themselves, however. like, look at me, i don't have time for caps. life can just wade by, what do i care? i'm just here to finish the job before security and the roboguards arrive. heh...
    GuessMyUserName 5 hours ago#4
    i remember when vlado used to complain about people posting in lowercase to try to look cool 

    thats what i do
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    ProfitProphet 5 hours ago#5
    it takes me more effort to post in all lowercase. but it's worth it if vlado thinks i look cool
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    Tom Bombadil 5 hours ago#6
    I post in lowercase when I'm being less serious, but I can't bring myself to do a lowercase "I"
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    MenuWars 5 hours ago#7
    Use syntax you f***ing heathens. Also congrats to the couple, I think I'm too old to be able to appreciate the mindset behind this, but as long as everyone's happy with it awesome.
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    STElNER 5 hours ago#8
    Jeff Zero posted...
    i'm just here to finish the job before security and the roboguards arrive. heh...


    same
    v_charon 5 hours ago#9
    Will they also spend no money on the baby to buy it necessities? Gotta let it discover its own social status too right?
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    Applekidrose 5 hours ago#10
    why the heck is gender a thing on birth certificates anyway? It doesn't make sense?

    now sex is important to note for legal/medical use, but gender? wtf
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    HotDogButts 4 hours ago#11
    Applekidrose posted...
    why the heck is gender a thing on birth certificates anyway? It doesn't make sense?

    now sex is important to note for legal/medical use, but gender? wtf


    It's not. They refused to note it's sex, not its gender. And this is incredibly stupid.
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    GuessMyUserName 4 hours ago#12
    I assume that a problem with the article, we just sex

    4PlRmZ9

    but parents don't even want that listed since they think it will push the kids one way. I'm not really sure how they'll handle the whole "what's this thing between my legs?" question.

    ... Although that question makes me realize the parents are also kind of "unknowns" too (only mentioning a transgender parent "neither male nor female") so I really have no idea where that question might come up.
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    HotDogButts 4 hours ago#13
    Literally no one identifies with a gender because of their listed sex on a birth certificate.
    Burns then confronted him about the fart and Willie became agitated, telling her to shut up
    GuessMyUserName 4 hours ago#14
    I know there are cases of kids that grew up being shocked at the revelation of their birth certificate not being what they thought it'd be!

    because yeah we don't just look at our certs to start our days
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    th3l3fty 4 hours ago#15
    GuessMyUserName posted...
    Searyl Atli

    did they randomly generate characters until they got something pronouncable for the name or something
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    iiaattgg 4 hours ago#16
    the thing that gets me is that they dont actually believe this is in the childs best interests (because its not). they just want to be able to tell people they did it so they can receive praise for being some enlightened being
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    swirIdude 4 hours ago#17
    That's not how it works. That's not how any of this works.
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    EndOfDiscOne 4 hours ago#18
    These people are heroes, and I hope their Tumblr community gives them the appreciation they were going for.
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    Raka_Putra 4 hours ago#19
    GuessMyUserName posted...
    The family's lawyer, barbara findlay, who chooses to spell her name without capital letters,

    Eww.
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    OliviaTremor 4 hours ago#20
    Sex isn't gender and letting a baby decide what's in their best interest is absolutely idiotic. Babies and children aren't adults capable of critical thinking regarding long term for the most part.
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    MenuWars 4 hours ago#21
    I think this is like 2010's version of 90's goth, except instead of being dark and edgy, they're sickeningly pc and edgy and this time it's the rest of the world that wants to kill itself.

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    GranzonEx 4 hours ago#22
    bArBaRa fInDlAy
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    JetJaguar 4 hours ago#23
    These people make SBell look like Father of the Year
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    ZaziGuado 4 hours ago#24
    Sex is biological and gender is a social construct. It irks me when the terms are interchanged freely.
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    5tarscream 3 hours ago#25
    I was really really hoping that the parents would just be regular people and this wasn't just a political statement. Shame.
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    TomNook 3 hours ago#26
    ZaziGuado posted...
    Sex is biological and gender is a social construct. It irks me when the terms are interchanged freely.

    They are the same words.
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    ninkendo 3 hours ago#27
    ProfitProphet posted...
    GuessMyUserName posted...
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    Theo72 3 hours ago#28
    TomNook posted...
    They are the same words.

    in the same sense that atheist and agnostic are the same words
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    HanOfTheNekos 2 hours ago#29
    I have a composer friend who goes by "j schlaerth" , but modern composers trying to be artsy with their names is kinda typical.
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    scarletspeed7 2 hours ago#30
    I know a guy name John Jacob Jingleheimer Schmidt, and his name is my name too.
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    trdl23 2 hours ago#31
    This is stupid.
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    DeepsPraw 2 hours ago#32
    This only makes sense if there's some intersex shenanigans going on. Like the biological sex isn't clearly apparent
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    iiicon 2 hours ago#33
    GuessMyUserName posted...
    I assume that a problem with the article, we just sex

    4PlRmZ9

    but parents don't even want that listed since they think it will push the kids one way. I'm not really sure how they'll handle the whole "what's this thing between my legs?" question.

    ... Although that question makes me realize the parents are also kind of "unknowns" too (only mentioning a transgender parent "neither male nor female") so I really have no idea where that question might come up.

    Ontario birth certificates are so much cooler than the ones issued in BC. I get jealous looking at my nephew's because it's bigger than the other three we have issued from BC combined
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    trdl23 2 hours ago#34
    DeepsPraw posted...
    This only makes sense if there's some intersex shenanigans going on. Like the biological sex isn't clearly apparent

    Yeah, this makes sense.
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    paperwarior 2 hours ago#35
    https://youtu.be/NcHdF1eHhgc?t=3m52s
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    Pokewars 1 hour ago#36
    Ugh. f*** these parents and f*** this country.
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    iiicon 1 hour ago#37
    oh cool, I didn't realize the lawyer was barbara findlay. I've met her a few times while organizing workshops - she's a tremendous person.
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    foolm0r0n 1 hour ago#38
    My fav professor had an all-lowercase name, even on his office name plaque they made it lowercase
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    Kenri 1 hour ago#39
    There's really no reason for sex to be listed on official documents anyway so good on them.
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    GuessMyUserName 1 hour ago#40
    my ontario birth certificate isn't that big, at least not the copy I have!
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    iiicon 1 hour ago#41
    maybe it's a recent thing? my nephew was born in '08, and his looks like the one you posted which was issued in '14
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    Waluigi1 1 hour ago#42
    scarletspeed7 posted...
    I know a guy name John Jacob Jingleheimer Schmidt, and his name is my name too.

    Idk why but this killed me.
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    GuessMyUserName 1 hour ago#43
    ohhey I actually do have mine on me here for some reason

    https://aerispies.com/i/ontariocert.jpg
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    foolm0r0n 1 hour ago#44
    iiicon 1 hour ago#45
    for the record, Spencer Chandra Herbert, a long-time MLA and member of the party now ready to form government in BC, will likely push for legislation on the matter of adding a non-binary/anonymous option for birth certificates, and similar legislation is happening in more conservative parts of Canada like Alberta, so, like, this is a non-issue, get used to it Americans?
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    trdl23 57 minutes ago#46
    It just doesn't make sense to me when this is medically and biologically relevant information. I'm not one to whine about "PC culture" but I feel this is overall doing a disservice to these kids as they grow up.
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    SmartMuffin 48 minutes ago#47
    The person who assigns you a gender is not the state. It is God. And this baby was, in fact, assigned one, no matter how much everyone tries to pretend otherwise.
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    Stripperiffic 47 minutes ago#48
    SmartMuffin posted...
    The person who assigns you a gender is not the state. It is God. And this baby was, in fact, assigned one, no matter how much everyone tries to pretend otherwise.


    Well then, once God shows his face and explains all this they'll sort it all out I guess.
    DeepsPraw 43 minutes ago#49
    Well it's good that gender isn't on the birth certificate then. Just sex
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    charmander6000 33 minutes ago#50
    The father's occupation was once added to a child's birth certificate. Does it really matter if sex is listed?

    From a medical point of view doctors aren't looking at a patients birth certificate anyway.

    I would have an issue if parents attempted to classify a biologically male child a female.
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      NBIceman 53 minutes ago#51
      f***ing ridiculous. f*** those parents.
      DeepsPraw 51 minutes ago#52
      charmander6000 posted...
      The father's occupation was once added to a child's birth certificate. Does it really matter if sex is listed?


      By that logic, why not list the day's weather and what color shoes the doctor was wearing?

      The government probably uses sex for some sort of demographic data analysis. I couldn't say what its used for or if it's necessary, tho
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      charmander6000 29 minutes ago#53
      By that logic, why not list the day's weather and what color shoes the doctor was wearing?

      Well the birth certificate (at least in BC) use to also list our religion

      The government probably uses sex for some sort of demographic data analysis. I couldn't say what its used for or if it's necessary, tho

      That's what the census does. The birth certificate is just a piece of ID.
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      SmartMuffin 22 minutes ago#54
      DeepsPraw posted...
      Well it's good that gender isn't on the birth certificate then. Just sex


      Leftists: Gender and sex are two different things! We are not disputing that biological sex is a real thing that actually exists.

      Also leftists: Take biological sex off the birth certificate! We can be whatever we want!
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      DeepsPraw 14 minutes ago#55
      How are those two views in any way contradictory?

      Leave it on or take it off, I don't care. All I know is that the parents in this case are stupid

      also for someone who hates gov't so much, it's weird that you think a birth certificate is solid proof of identity
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      Mac Arrowny 10 minutes ago#56
      iiicon posted...
      for the record, Spencer Chandra Herbert, a long-time MLA and member of the party now ready to form government in BC, will likely push for legislation on the matter of adding a non-binary/anonymous option for birth certificates, and similar legislation is happening in more conservative parts of Canada like Alberta, so, like, this is a non-issue, get used to it Americans?


      Actually, the party in power in Alberta is democratic socialist, not conservative. I'm not sure what the advantage of adding a non-binary option is over just removing the sex part altogether.
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      DeepsPraw 5 minutes ago#57
      Yeah, non-binary seems absolutely ridiculous, again, with the exception of intersex
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      greengravy294 23 seconds ago#58
      GuessMyUserName posted...
      The family's lawyer, barbara findlay, who chooses to spell her name without capital letters,

      lmao
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