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Rationale for why transgender is ok but transrace is crazy?

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vashmoto 1 day ago#2
Do you have a personal opinion on the matter?
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Choco 1 day ago#3
because your gender is determined by your brain whereas race is a social construct
Antifar 1 day ago#4
Science, mainly.
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M_Live 1 day ago#5
CrimsonRage 1 day ago#7
Solar_Crimson posted...
Are there actual mental differences between the races?


Be careful, this might summon them.
Romulox28 1 day ago#8
Choco posted...
because your gender is determined by your brain whereas race is a social construct

lol what
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i personally don't see how it's possible to change your race
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Axiom 1 day ago#10
CrimsonRage posted...
Solar_Crimson posted...
Are there actual mental differences between the races?


Be careful, this might summon them.

Admiral is probably still warned so I don't think he'll be popping up. He's the only one I've seen try to argue intellectual differences between races
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Solar_Crimson posted...
Are there actual mental differences between the races?

This may bring Admiral back.
Antifar 1 day ago#13
Axiom posted...
Admiral is still warned

Is that where he's been lately? I was beginning to get worried.
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Nomadic View  tear this gooby up1 day ago#14
Gender dysphoria is a recognized mental disorder. 

https://www.psychologytoday.com/conditions/gender-dysphoria
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Axiom 1 day ago#15
I think so. He was for awhile at least. I'd check but I can't remember if he had underscores or not since I've never checked his profile
Transgenderism tends to stem from gender dysphoria, a recognized mental condition with actual symptoms.

Transracism doesn't to my knowledge have such characteristics. I imagine most people who identify as transrace are just looking for attention or are complete trolls.
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Bio1590 1 day ago#19
Axiom posted...
I think so. He was for awhile at least. I'd check but I can't remember if he had underscores or not since I've never checked his profile

If you go to @ them and they don't pop-up it means they have no access to the board you're doing it on iirc.
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Choco posted...
because your gender is determined by your brain whereas race is a social construct


Gender is a social construct. There's no binary part of your brain that distinguishes whether your sex was "wrong".
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Axiom 1 day ago#22
Bio1590 posted...
Axiom posted...
I think so. He was for awhile at least. I'd check but I can't remember if he had underscores or not since I've never checked his profile

If you go to @ them and they don't pop-up it means they have no access to the board you're doing it on iirc.

Oh yeah that would make a good way to search for users you don't know the exact names of
26_Sandman_39 posted...
Choco posted...
because your gender is determined by your brain whereas race is a social construct


Gender is a social construct. There's no binary part of your brain that distinguishes whether your sex was "wrong".

Gender is the sex of the brain. Race is arbitrary social groupings based on external appearance similarities and non-scientific motivations. Various groups of white people have been considered not to belong to that race over the history of human existence to push agendas.
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DevsBro 1 day ago#24
gunplagirl 1 day ago#25
There's actual reasons for gender dysphoria to occur

There's zero brain differences that could cause somebody to feel a certain race. The entire premise is racial fetis***ation and other stuff of that nature which reeks of racist views.
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IR_G 1 day ago#26
Solar_Crimson posted...
Are there actual mental differences between the races?

Nope, it's all in how you're raised and who raised you.
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gunplagirl posted...
There's actual reasons for gender dysphoria to occur

There's zero brain differences that could cause somebody to feel a certain race. The entire premise is racial fetis***ation and other stuff of that nature which reeks of racist views.

thelovefist posted...
Because TDF dogma
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hockeybub89 posted...
Gender is the sex of the brain.


The "sex" of your brain is determined by your chromosomes. Again, there's no part of the brain distinguishable enough between cis and trans that is binary enough to cover only two genders. Gender is a social construct.
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DocileOrangeCup posted...
Choco posted...
because your gender is determined by your brain whereas race is a social construct

"Because because"
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gunplagirl 1 day ago#31
thelovefist posted...
gunplagirl posted...
There's actual reasons for gender dysphoria to occur

There's zero brain differences that could cause somebody to feel a certain race. The entire premise is racial fetis***ation and other stuff of that nature which reeks of racist views.

thelovefist posted...
Because TDF dogma


It's almost like you have zero understanding of gender or race
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26_Sandman_39 posted...
hockeybub89 posted...
Gender is the sex of the brain.


The "sex" of your brain is determined by your chromosomes. Again, there's no part of the brain distinguishable enough between cis and trans that is binary enough to cover only two genders. Gender is a social construct.

You are right that there is no cis and trans brain. There are male and female brains and sometimes s*** gets mixed up in development.

I don't see a lot of people that assert there are many genders and take umbrage with transgender being a thing.
gunplagirl posted...
thelovefist posted...
gunplagirl posted...
There's actual reasons for gender dysphoria to occur

There's zero brain differences that could cause somebody to feel a certain race. The entire premise is racial fetis***ation and other stuff of that nature which reeks of racist views.

thelovefist posted...
Because TDF dogma


It's almost like you have zero understanding of gender or race

But he can type TDF and call people s***posters every day for years. What else do you need for an argument?
Antifar 1 day ago#34
thelovefist posted...

thelovefist posted...
Because TDF dogma


Sometimes, if everyone disagrees with you, it's not some cabal or conspiracy at work.
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gunplagirl 1 day ago#35
hockeybub89 posted...
gunplagirl posted...
thelovefist posted...
gunplagirl posted...
There's actual reasons for gender dysphoria to occur

There's zero brain differences that could cause somebody to feel a certain race. The entire premise is racial fetis***ation and other stuff of that nature which reeks of racist views.

thelovefist posted...
Because TDF dogma


It's almost like you have zero understanding of gender or race

But he can type TDF and call people s***posters every day for years. What else do you need for an argument?

Yo have a point
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hockeybub89 posted...
26_Sandman_39 posted...
hockeybub89 posted...
Gender is the sex of the brain.


The "sex" of your brain is determined by your chromosomes. Again, there's no part of the brain distinguishable enough between cis and trans that is binary enough to cover only two genders. Gender is a social construct.

You are right that there is no cis and trans brain. There are male and female brains and sometimes s*** gets mixed up in development.

I don't see a lot of people that assert there are many genders and take umbrage with transgender being a thing.

sex is not a binary, and gender is more complicated than sex
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Axiom posted...
CrimsonRage posted...
Solar_Crimson posted...
Are there actual mental differences between the races?


Be careful, this might summon them.

Admiral is probably still warned so I don't think he'll be popping up. He's the only one I've seen try to argue intellectual differences between races

That sounds like something @The_Admiral would do.
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averagejoel posted...
hockeybub89 posted...
26_Sandman_39 posted...
hockeybub89 posted...
Gender is the sex of the brain.


The "sex" of your brain is determined by your chromosomes. Again, there's no part of the brain distinguishable enough between cis and trans that is binary enough to cover only two genders. Gender is a social construct.

You are right that there is no cis and trans brain. There are male and female brains and sometimes s*** gets mixed up in development.

I don't see a lot of people that assert there are many genders and take umbrage with transgender being a thing.

sex is not a binary, and gender is more complicated than sex

Evidence gender is not binary?
hockeybub89 posted...
averagejoel posted...
hockeybub89 posted...
26_Sandman_39 posted...
hockeybub89 posted...
Gender is the sex of the brain.


The "sex" of your brain is determined by your chromosomes. Again, there's no part of the brain distinguishable enough between cis and trans that is binary enough to cover only two genders. Gender is a social construct.

You are right that there is no cis and trans brain. There are male and female brains and sometimes s*** gets mixed up in development.

I don't see a lot of people that assert there are many genders and take umbrage with transgender being a thing.

sex is not a binary, and gender is more complicated than sex

Evidence gender is not binary?

is the existence of nonbinary people not enough evidence?
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gunplagirl 1 day ago#40
hockeybub89 posted...
averagejoel posted...
hockeybub89 posted...
26_Sandman_39 posted...
hockeybub89 posted...
Gender is the sex of the brain.


The "sex" of your brain is determined by your chromosomes. Again, there's no part of the brain distinguishable enough between cis and trans that is binary enough to cover only two genders. Gender is a social construct.

You are right that there is no cis and trans brain. There are male and female brains and sometimes s*** gets mixed up in development.

I don't see a lot of people that assert there are many genders and take umbrage with transgender being a thing.

sex is not a binary, and gender is more complicated than sex

Evidence gender is not binary?

For starters, the fact that presentation within a given gender can vary immensely. Femme, butch, androgynous among women for starters
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There are very real neurological differences between people who have gender dysphoria... Their brains are actually wired differently. It's not something they can control.
Kirby 1 day ago#42
This is hilarious watching people try to defend transgenders but bash transracials.
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Conflict  refugee love block me1 day ago#44
Kirby posted...
This is hilarious watching people try to defend transgenders but bash transracials.


It's hilarious because you're not smart enough to differentiate the two? I mean... it should be common sense.

DocileOrangeCup posted...
averagejoel posted...
is the existence of nonbinary people not enough evidence?

Where


They exist, they're just really rare.
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Kirby posted...
This is hilarious watching people try to defend transgenders but bash transracials.

One exists and one is stupid bulls*** pushed by attention whores like Rachel Dolezal and people deliberately ignorant of the transgender topic. One has current research and evidence that supports it and the other does not. That could change one day, but that day definitely isn't today and pushing an equivalence is dishonest at best.

I think giant squids exist. Does that mean I need to believe in Bigfoot? How can I think one animal is real but be so opposed to believing in this other one that a small group of people insist exists based on nothing?
Ammonitida 1 day ago#46
Glass_Phantom posted...
There are very real neurological differences between people who have gender dysphoria... Their brains are actually wired differently. It's not something they can control.


Evidence please.

And are you a bigot if you are a straight male and don't find transgender females sexually attractive on account that they were born male?
DocileOrangeCup posted...
averagejoel posted...
is the existence of nonbinary people not enough evidence?

Where

http://www.isna.org/faq/what_is_intersex
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Conflict  refugee love block me1 day ago#48
Ammonitida posted...
And are you a bigot if you are a straight male and don't find transgender females sexually attractive on account that they were born male?


Literally nobody thinks this. Stfu
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Ammonitida 1 day ago#49
Any well known transracials who identify as white? I best I could find are some Asian-American women.
hockeybub89 posted...
Kirby posted...
This is hilarious watching people try to defend transgenders but bash transracials.

One exists and one is stupid bulls*** pushed by attention whores like Rachel Dolezal and people deliberately ignorant of the transgender topic. One has current research and evidence that supports it and the other does not. That could change one day, but that day definitely isn't today and pushing an equivalence is dishonest at best.

I think giant squids exist. Does that mean I need to believe in Bigfoot? How can I think one animal is real but be so opposed to believing in this other one that a small group of people insist exists based on nothing?

transracial people do exist, but the word doesn't mean at all what Rachel Dolezal and her proponents think it means
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      Ammonitida 1 day ago#51
      Conflict posted...
      Ammonitida posted...
      And are you a bigot if you are a straight male and don't find transgender females sexually attractive on account that they were born male?


      Literally nobody thinks this. Stfu


      That's utter bulls***. I see this mentality all the time on the SJW blogosphere. You GTFO.
      Conflict  refugee love block me1 day ago#52
      Wtf is the "SJW blogosphere" lmao
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      Ammonitida 1 day ago#53
      Conflict posted...
      Wtf is the "SJW blogosphere" lmao


      Since you ask, you clearly don't know what the f*** you're talking about, so STFU.
      Conflict posted...
      Ammonitida posted...
      And are you a bigot if you are a straight male and don't find transgender females sexually attractive on account that they were born male?


      Literally nobody thinks this. Stfu


      http://www.theblaze.com/news/2017/07/03/transgender-activist-straight-men-should-work-through-non-attraction-to-transgender-women/
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      chrono625 1 day ago#55
      Choco posted...
      because your gender is determined by your brain whereas race is a social construct

      Romulox28 posted...
      Choco posted...
      because your gender is determined by your brain whereas race is a social construct

      lol what


      race IS a social construct.

      biologically we're all the same.

      race only comes into play because we have broken people down into categories like where they were born, their religion and other superficial aspects.
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      Schwarber 1 day ago#56
      Ammonitida posted...
      Conflict posted...
      Ammonitida posted...
      And are you a bigot if you are a straight male and don't find transgender females sexually attractive on account that they were born male?


      Literally nobody thinks this. Stfu


      That's utter bulls***. I see this mentality all the time on the SJW blogosphere. You GTFO.


      Sounds like you're going to the fringes of certain ideologies and stupidly applying it to the whole.
      hockeybub89 posted...
      Kirby posted...
      This is hilarious watching people try to defend transgenders but bash transracials.

      One exists and one is stupid bulls*** pushed by attention whores like Rachel Dolezal and people deliberately ignorant of the transgender topic. One has current research and evidence that supports it and the other does not. That could change one day, but that day definitely isn't today and pushing an equivalence is dishonest at best.

      I think giant squids exist. Does that mean I need to believe in Bigfoot? How can I think one animal is real but be so opposed to believing in this other one that a small group of people insist exists based on nothing?


      Just because there isn't currently a lot of research does not mean it doesn't exist and should be completely shunned. If someone supports transgenders they should support transracial people as well. Who are you to say their brain isn't telling them to be black or asian when they're a different race? 

      What if they grew up around a lot of black people or asians? And feel they connect with that culture more? If you're a liberal you should feel ashamed for dismissing them.
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      averagejoel posted...
      is the existence of nonbinary people not enough evidence?

      I don't believe they exist for the same reason I don't believe otherkin. I haven't seen anything that supports it. Where's the proof non-binary are something fundamentally different than trans people?

      gunplagirl posted...
      For starters, the fact that presentation within a given gender can vary immensely. Femme, butch, androgynous among women for starters

      How does listing various types of women prove there is more than men and women?
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      Ammonitida 1 day ago#59
      Schwarber posted...
      Ammonitida posted...
      Conflict posted...
      Ammonitida posted...
      And are you a bigot if you are a straight male and don't find transgender females sexually attractive on account that they were born male?


      Literally nobody thinks this. Stfu


      That's utter bulls***. I see this mentality all the time on the SJW blogosphere. You GTFO.


      Sounds like you're going to the fringes of certain ideologies and stupidly applying it to the whole.


      The whole of what? I said "SJW" (which are fringe) as counter to the prior poster who falsely claimed that "literally no one is saying that".
      Delirious_Beard  attack on sight1 day ago#60
      Ammonitida posted...
      Glass_Phantom posted...
      There are very real neurological differences between people who have gender dysphoria... Their brains are actually wired differently. It's not something they can control.


      Evidence please.

      And are you a bigot if you are a straight male and don't find transgender females sexually attractive on account that they were born male?


      you mean people that are like "damn that person is attractive" and then learn they're trans and then are like "eww never mind"

      cuz that is basically the definition of bigotry
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      Ammonitida 1 day ago#61
      Delirious_Beard posted...
      Ammonitida posted...
      Glass_Phantom posted...
      There are very real neurological differences between people who have gender dysphoria... Their brains are actually wired differently. It's not something they can control.


      Evidence please.

      And are you a bigot if you are a straight male and don't find transgender females sexually attractive on account that they were born male?


      you mean people that are like "damn that person is attractive" and then learn they're trans and then are like "eww never mind"

      cuz that is basically the definition of bigotry


      Yes those people!
      averagejoel posted...
      hockeybub89 posted...
      Kirby posted...
      This is hilarious watching people try to defend transgenders but bash transracials.

      One exists and one is stupid bulls*** pushed by attention whores like Rachel Dolezal and people deliberately ignorant of the transgender topic. One has current research and evidence that supports it and the other does not. That could change one day, but that day definitely isn't today and pushing an equivalence is dishonest at best.

      I think giant squids exist. Does that mean I need to believe in Bigfoot? How can I think one animal is real but be so opposed to believing in this other one that a small group of people insist exists based on nothing?

      transracial people do exist, but the word doesn't mean at all what Rachel Dolezal and her proponents think it means

      Fair enough. It is a thing that exists, just absolutely nothing similar to transgenderism.
      Capn Circus posted...
      hockeybub89 posted...
      Kirby posted...
      This is hilarious watching people try to defend transgenders but bash transracials.

      One exists and one is stupid bulls*** pushed by attention whores like Rachel Dolezal and people deliberately ignorant of the transgender topic. One has current research and evidence that supports it and the other does not. That could change one day, but that day definitely isn't today and pushing an equivalence is dishonest at best.

      I think giant squids exist. Does that mean I need to believe in Bigfoot? How can I think one animal is real but be so opposed to believing in this other one that a small group of people insist exists based on nothing?


      Just because there isn't currently a lot of research does not mean it doesn't exist and should be completely shunned. If someone supports transgenders they should support transracial people as well. Who are you to say their brain isn't telling them to be black or asian when they're a different race? 

      What if they grew up around a lot of black people or asians? And feel they connect with that culture more? If you're a liberal you should feel ashamed for dismissing them.

      I know some actual transracial people, and their issues are not at all what Rachel Dolezal makes them out to be
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      Gender Dysphoria is a real conduction, racial dysphoria is not.
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      Axiom 1 day ago#65
      Conflict posted...
      Wtf is the "SJW blogosphere" lmao

      Random radicals from tumblr that apparently means tons of people think the same nonsense
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      Conflict  refugee love block me1 day ago#66
      Ammonitida posted...
      Conflict posted...
      Wtf is the "SJW blogosphere" lmao


      Since you ask, you clearly don't know what the f*** you're talking about, so STFU.


      No, YOU STFU.
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      Delirious_Beard  attack on sight1 day ago#67
      oh this dude has a /pol/ meme image for a sig, how did i just realize that
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      Ammonitida 1 day ago#68
      Axiom posted...
      Conflict posted...
      Wtf is the "SJW blogosphere" lmao

      Random radicals from tumblr that apparently means tons of people think the same nonsense


      Because I never said "tons of people think that". I asked a question. At least one poster here says yes you are a bigot if you reject a transgender solely on account that they were not born that gender.
      Ammonitida posted...
      Glass_Phantom posted...
      There are very real neurological differences between people who have gender dysphoria... Their brains are actually wired differently. It's not something they can control.


      Evidence please.


      @Ammonitida

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Causes_of_transsexuality#Brain_structure

      See the sections on brain structure, brain function for the scientific literature citations...
      hockeybub89 posted...
      averagejoel posted...
      hockeybub89 posted...
      Kirby posted...
      This is hilarious watching people try to defend transgenders but bash transracials.

      One exists and one is stupid bulls*** pushed by attention whores like Rachel Dolezal and people deliberately ignorant of the transgender topic. One has current research and evidence that supports it and the other does not. That could change one day, but that day definitely isn't today and pushing an equivalence is dishonest at best.

      I think giant squids exist. Does that mean I need to believe in Bigfoot? How can I think one animal is real but be so opposed to believing in this other one that a small group of people insist exists based on nothing?

      transracial people do exist, but the word doesn't mean at all what Rachel Dolezal and her proponents think it means

      Fair enough. It is a thing that exists, just absolutely nothing similar to transgenderism.

      quick note: don't frame transgender issues as an "ism"

      calling trans issues an ism is reductive - it posits their identity and struggle as an arguable ideology, rather than the objective fact that it is
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      Capn Circus posted...
      hockeybub89 posted...
      Kirby posted...
      This is hilarious watching people try to defend transgenders but bash transracials.

      One exists and one is stupid bulls*** pushed by attention whores like Rachel Dolezal and people deliberately ignorant of the transgender topic. One has current research and evidence that supports it and the other does not. That could change one day, but that day definitely isn't today and pushing an equivalence is dishonest at best.

      I think giant squids exist. Does that mean I need to believe in Bigfoot? How can I think one animal is real but be so opposed to believing in this other one that a small group of people insist exists based on nothing?


      Just because there isn't currently a lot of research does not mean it doesn't exist and should be completely shunned. If someone supports transgenders they should support transracial people as well. Who are you to say their brain isn't telling them to be black or asian when they're a different race? 

      What if they grew up around a lot of black people or asians? And feel they connect with that culture more? If you're a liberal you should feel ashamed for dismissing them.

      So I should fully support something just because it potentially be proven to exist one day? I guess I better believe in every religion, mythological creature, and conspiracy theory then. What the f*** even is black culture and how is it hard coded into your brain? Trans men and women aren't influenced by growing up around lots of men or women, so the way you're suggesting "transracialism" exists is not even remotely similar
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      Solar_Crimson posted...
      Are there actual mental differences between the races?

      yes. however, i posted peer reviewed articles that studied mental capacity between races and it got modded
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      Ammonitida 1 day ago#75
      Transgender man identifies as a hippo. 

      https://www.lifesitenews.com/pulse/im-tranimal-scholar-identifies-as-hippo-in-peer-reviewed-article

      A University of Arizona visiting scholar published an article in a peer-reviewed journal about how she self-identifies as a hippopotamus.
      Capn Circus posted...
      Age identity disorder is a thing, too. Some people feel older or younger than they are.

      Yup you convinced me. And people definitely can identify as attack helicopters too because all claims are scientifically valid if you really believe in them.

      I get you are a troll or whatever, but there are people who seriously make similar arguments to dispute homosexuality. "If homosexuality is natural, then why not ridiculous thing I just thought of?"
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      Antifar 1 day ago#78
      For conservatives, "transracial" matters are just another form of "straight pride" and "white history month." These are people who, upon learning that there were people called Native Americans, got upset at the world's lack of so-called Native Britons.
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      averagejoel posted...
      DocileOrangeCup posted...
      averagejoel posted...
      is the existence of nonbinary people not enough evidence?

      Where

      http://www.isna.org/faq/what_is_intersex

      wait so it's just people with small dicks or big girl areas? lol
      Ammonitida 1 day ago#80
      DocileOrangeCup posted...
      averagejoel posted...
      DocileOrangeCup posted...
      averagejoel posted...
      is the existence of nonbinary people not enough evidence?

      Where

      http://www.isna.org/faq/what_is_intersex

      wait so it's just people with small dicks or big girl areas? lol

      um

      no

      some people are born with both

      some people have XY chromosomes and a vagina
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      90sNinja 1 day ago#82
      I'm cool with transgenders, but the made up genders never made sense to me. I saw a magazine cover where androgynous was listed alongside things like homosexual or trans male - how is that a gender, it's literally just an aesthetic (tbf homosexual isn't a gender either it's a sexual preference)

      As an outsider a lot of it just seems like people wanting to feel too special to pick one of the two established genders, which is all good and well, do what you want, but if you're not going to give a s*** about the rules everyone else is going by don't expect everyone else to give a s*** about your made up rules. It also seems to hurt a lot of the transgender crowd since the majority of them want to fit into a specific established gender but they're getting lumped in with loudmouths making up dumb stuff like pansexual - which if I understand is an attraction to personality regardless of gender, so bisexual then (which AGAIN is a sexual preference anyway not a gender)

      I guess the idea is to break down gender completely by crowding the language with new inane s*** until everyone gives up on gender completely, which might be a sort of greater good sort of thing as that would certainly solve a lot of transgender problems.
      If life was meant to be easy, then everyone would be doing it.
      averagejoel posted...
      um

      no

      some people are born with both

      some people have XY chromosomes and a vagina

      so hermaphrodites?
      I stand with Rachel Dolezal. She has the right to her own identity, just as anyone else does. She should be held up as a hero for the African-American community instead of being shamed for her racial identity.
      I may not go down in history, but I will go down on your sister.
      Ammonitida posted...
      Transgender man identifies as a hippo. 

      https://www.lifesitenews.com/pulse/im-tranimal-scholar-identifies-as-hippo-in-peer-reviewed-article

      A University of Arizona visiting scholar published an article in a peer-reviewed journal about how she self-identifies as a hippopotamus.


      "Something about being a hippo makes me feel cute, confident, sexy, and safe. I discovered that another self was available for me: being a hippo means that I don’t have to be a boy or a girl, a child or an adult, normal or strange. It means that my smile becomes a hippo smile, and the way that I carry my body, a hippo walk. It brings me freedom, space, and a thrilling sense of possibility." 

      ROFL... that made my night! Unbelievable! He definitely voted for Hillary.
      "I think that man will be president right about the time when spaceships come down filled with dinosaurs in red capes" - Tom Hanks
      Sativa_Rose posted...
      I stand with Rachel Dolezal. She has the right to her own identity, just as anyone else does. She should be held up as a hero for the African-American community instead of being shamed for her racial identity.


      Maybe one day she'll be our first female African American president
      "I think that man will be president right about the time when spaceships come down filled with dinosaurs in red capes" - Tom Hanks
      DocileOrangeCup posted...
      averagejoel posted...
      um

      no

      some people are born with both

      some people have XY chromosomes and a vagina

      so hermaphrodites?

      hermaphrodites are examples of intersex people, yes
      peanut butter and dick
      (edited 1 day ago)reportquote
      averagejoel posted...
      DocileOrangeCup posted...
      averagejoel posted...
      um

      no

      some people are born with both

      some people have XY chromosomes and a vagina

      so hermaphrodites?

      hermaphrodites are examples of intersex people, yes

      but the thing you linked was only talking about people with weird lookin genitals and not both a vagina and dickle
      you just cannot grasp the reality of the situation
      You feast on red herring because it is your birthright.
      IR_G 1 day ago#92
      DocileOrangeCup posted...
      dickle
      The perfect combination.
      Roxborough4Ever posted...
      you just cannot grasp the reality of the situation

      You cannot grasp the true form of Giygas' attack.
      People who deny transracials exist will be seen in the same light as people who used to think transgenders were "making it up for attention", in the next 20 years. They say there is nothing scientific about it, but I'm sure there will be an entire field that study the phenomenon soon. After that transspecies, transobject, and transcorporial breakthroughs will be made. Anyone who denies progress will be seen as a bigot
      RE_expert44 posted...
      People who deny transracials exist will be seen in the same light as people who used to think transgenders were "making it up for attention", in the next 20 years. They say there is nothing scientific about it, but I'm sure there will be an entire field that study the phenomenon soon. After that transspecies, transobject, and transcorporial breakthroughs will be made. Anyone who denies progress will be seen as a bigot


      This kind of slippery slope, argumentum ad absurdum is the exact same tactic people used against homosexuals for fifty years. "If we go along with this, then soon, people will be saying it's okay to fornicate with children and animals." No different.
      (edited 1 day ago)reportquote
      Conflict posted...
      Ammonitida posted...
      And are you a bigot if you are a straight male and don't find transgender females sexually attractive on account that they were born male?


      Literally nobody thinks this. Stfu

      @gunplagirl does
      N/A
      gunplagirl 1 day ago#97
      thelovefist posted...
      Conflict posted...
      Ammonitida posted...
      And are you a bigot if you are a straight male and don't find transgender females sexually attractive on account that they were born male?


      Literally nobody thinks this. Stfu

      @gunplagirl does

      If the sole reason for going from being attracted to no longer being attracted is that the woman is trans, then yes, it's because of biases against trans people. And acting on said biases? Gosh, what's the word to describe that?
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      Delirious_Beard posted...
      Ammonitida posted...
      Glass_Phantom posted...
      There are very real neurological differences between people who have gender dysphoria... Their brains are actually wired differently. It's not something they can control.


      Evidence please.

      And are you a bigot if you are a straight male and don't find transgender females sexually attractive on account that they were born male?


      you mean people that are like "damn that person is attractive" and then learn they're trans and then are like "eww never mind"

      cuz that is basically the definition of bigotry


      classic DB post
      Sigs are useless.
      gunplagirl posted...
      If the sole reason for going from being attracted to no longer being attracted is that the woman is trans, then yes, it's because of biases against trans people.

      but not everyone likes penis and doesnt like kids
      DocileOrangeCup posted...
      gunplagirl posted...
      If the sole reason for going from being attracted to no longer being attracted is that the woman is trans, then yes, it's because of biases against trans people.

      but not everyone likes penis and doesnt like kids

      So you jump right to assuming things about the trans woman?

      What's the word for when you start stereotyping an entire group of people over facts that are fluid between the group in question?
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        gunplagirl posted...
        So you jump right to assuming things about the trans woman?

        lol what how is that assuming
        DocileOrangeCup posted...
        averagejoel posted...
        DocileOrangeCup posted...
        averagejoel posted...
        um

        no

        some people are born with both

        some people have XY chromosomes and a vagina

        so hermaphrodites?

        hermaphrodites are examples of intersex people, yes

        but the thing you linked was only talking about people with weird lookin genitals and not both a vagina and dickle


        Think of Intersex as an umbrella term to describe "hermaphrodites" and folks with micro penises or other sexual conditions. Since there are people born with XXY, XYY, etc chromosomes and it has an impact on their reproductions and genitalia.
        RE_expert44 posted...
        People who deny transracials exist will be seen in the same light as people who used to think transgenders were "making it up for attention", in the next 20 years. They say there is nothing scientific about it, but I'm sure there will be an entire field that study the phenomenon soon. After that transspecies, transobject, and transcorporial breakthroughs will be made. Anyone who denies progress will be seen as a bigot

        People who deny scientific progress are idiots. People who believe in things in the hope that science will one day back them up are also idiots. Instead of people just accepting something exists and maybe their rigid view needs to change, they need to be like you and make cheeky posts about the inevitable collapse of society when we accept everything without question. Denying evidence is no better than believing without evidence and both make humanity dumber by happening.

        We can be open to the existence of everything without preemptively accepting that everything exists.
        DocileOrangeCup posted...
        gunplagirl posted...
        So you jump right to assuming things about the trans woman?

        lol what how is that assuming

        You explicitly suggested they have a penis. Suggesting all trans women have a penis is stereotyping.
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        gunplagirl posted...
        DocileOrangeCup posted...
        gunplagirl posted...
        So you jump right to assuming things about the trans woman?

        lol what how is that assuming

        You explicitly suggested they have a penis. Suggesting all trans women have a penis is stereotyping.

        okay, have/had. same s*** imo

        am i wrong to assume they cant have kids as well?
        COVxy 1 day ago#106
        hockeybub89 posted...
        We can be open to the existence of everything without preemptively accepting that everything exists.


        This was a good post.
        =E[(x-E[x])(y-E[y])]
        DocileOrangeCup posted...
        gunplagirl posted...
        DocileOrangeCup posted...
        gunplagirl posted...
        So you jump right to assuming things about the trans woman?

        lol what how is that assuming

        You explicitly suggested they have a penis. Suggesting all trans women have a penis is stereotyping.

        okay, have/had. same s*** imo

        am i wrong to assume they cant have kids as well?

        There's also intersex trans women who never had a penis.

        And plenty of trans women have kids and not just ones they adopted.

        On that note, do you ask every potential partner if they can have kids? If not, and that's at the forefront of your mind solely for trans women, it's got merely coming up with every possible excuse to justify your biases. And yet you won't even acknowledge said biases as anything potentially unfair? Well that just makes you seem like an ass now, doesn't it? "I'm not a transmisogynist, I just do and say things specifically to harm trans women."
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        gunplagirl posted...
        There's also intersex trans women who never had a penis.

        what

        gunplagirl posted...
        And plenty of trans women have kids and not just ones they adopted.

        like they got pregnant?

        gunplagirl posted...
        On that note, do you ask every potential partner if they can have kids?

        if i went outside yeah it'd come up pretty quickly.
        DocileOrangeCup posted...
        gunplagirl posted...
        There's also intersex trans women who never had a penis.

        what

        gunplagirl posted...
        And plenty of trans women have kids and not just ones they adopted.

        like they got pregnant?

        gunplagirl posted...
        On that note, do you ask every potential partner if they can have kids?

        if i went outside yeah it'd come up pretty quickly.

        Intersex people can have a male gender designation forced upon them. For instance, by having their labia surgically sealed shut and surgically having their micropenises enhanced. They'd be trans women if they turned out to be trans down the line.

        Oh. If you went outside, that explains it. Back to the troll hole with you.
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        Damien747 1 day ago#110
        Choco posted...
        because your gender is determined by your brain whereas race is a social construct


        This is my favourite post of the day.
        gunplagirl posted...
        Intersex people can have a male gender designation forced upon them. For instance, by having their labia surgically sealed shut and surgically having their micropenises enhanced. They'd be trans women if they turned out to be trans down the line.

        but if they were born with the parts that were mutilated then wouldnt they just be actual girls but with messed up parts?

        gunplagirl posted...

        Oh. If you went outside, that explains it. Back to the troll hole with you.

        lol yeah im the troll here.

        "glad you admit it"
        (edited 1 day ago)reportquote
        gunplagirl posted...
        DocileOrangeCup posted...
        gunplagirl posted...
        DocileOrangeCup posted...
        gunplagirl posted...
        So you jump right to assuming things about the trans woman?

        lol what how is that assuming

        You explicitly suggested they have a penis. Suggesting all trans women have a penis is stereotyping.

        okay, have/had. same s*** imo

        am i wrong to assume they cant have kids as well?

        There's also intersex trans women who never had a penis.

        And plenty of trans women have kids and not just ones they adopted.

        On that note, do you ask every potential partner if they can have kids? If not, and that's at the forefront of your mind solely for trans women, it's got merely coming up with every possible excuse to justify your biases. And yet you won't even acknowledge said biases as anything potentially unfair? Well that just makes you seem like an ass now, doesn't it? "I'm not a transmisogynist, I just do and say things specifically to harm trans women."

        Remember folks that these people believe in this horses*** but the concept of being transracial is absurd to them
        N/A
        DocileOrangeCup posted...
        gunplagirl posted...
        Intersex people can have a male gender designation forced upon them. For instance, by having their labia surgically sealed shut and surgically having their micropenises enhanced. They'd be trans women if they turned out to be trans down the line.

        but if they were born with the parts that were mutilated then wouldnt they just be actual girls but with messed up parts?

        gunplagirl posted...

        Oh. If you went outside, that explains it. Back to the troll hole with you.

        lol yeah im the troll here.

        "glad you admit it"

        Sure. You admit it but calling you on it is wrong?
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        Delirious_Beard  attack on sight1 day ago#114
        thelovefist posted...
        gunplagirl posted...
        DocileOrangeCup posted...
        gunplagirl posted...
        DocileOrangeCup posted...
        gunplagirl posted...
        So you jump right to assuming things about the trans woman?

        lol what how is that assuming

        You explicitly suggested they have a penis. Suggesting all trans women have a penis is stereotyping.

        okay, have/had. same s*** imo

        am i wrong to assume they cant have kids as well?

        There's also intersex trans women who never had a penis.

        And plenty of trans women have kids and not just ones they adopted.

        On that note, do you ask every potential partner if they can have kids? If not, and that's at the forefront of your mind solely for trans women, it's got merely coming up with every possible excuse to justify your biases. And yet you won't even acknowledge said biases as anything potentially unfair? Well that just makes you seem like an ass now, doesn't it? "I'm not a transmisogynist, I just do and say things specifically to harm trans women."

        Remember folks that these people believe in this horses*** but the concept of being transracial is absurd to them


        yes lovefist you're clearly the most rational one in this discussion
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        thelovefist posted...
        gunplagirl posted...
        DocileOrangeCup posted...
        gunplagirl posted...
        DocileOrangeCup posted...
        gunplagirl posted...
        So you jump right to assuming things about the trans woman?

        lol what how is that assuming

        You explicitly suggested they have a penis. Suggesting all trans women have a penis is stereotyping.

        okay, have/had. same s*** imo

        am i wrong to assume they cant have kids as well?

        There's also intersex trans women who never had a penis.

        And plenty of trans women have kids and not just ones they adopted.

        On that note, do you ask every potential partner if they can have kids? If not, and that's at the forefront of your mind solely for trans women, it's got merely coming up with every possible excuse to justify your biases. And yet you won't even acknowledge said biases as anything potentially unfair? Well that just makes you seem like an ass now, doesn't it? "I'm not a transmisogynist, I just do and say things specifically to harm trans women."

        Remember folks that these people believe in this horses*** but the concept of being transracial is absurd to them


        Believing that gender dysphoria, established scientific and medical fact, is real is horse s***?

        Okay buddy. Just a question but do you support either?

        Or do you just like to compare the latter to the former because it helps justify your biases against the former? That is to say, I'm not asking. I already know you know the latter isn't real and you only suggest it for the same radon m reason people brought up marrying kids or animals during gay marriage debates.
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        Bio1590 1 day ago#117
        Topics like these gove me no hope for the future of America
        OctilIery 1 day ago#118
        Eevee-Trainer posted...
        Transgenderism tends to stem from gender dysphoria, a recognized mental condition with actual symptoms.

        Other way around. Transgenderism is usually the cause of gender dysphoria, though they are two separate things.
        A billion bucks says the number of people who have made any valid research into these concepts is close to, if not exactly, zero.
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        Ivany2008 1 day ago#121
        if your white and you want to be black, go ahead, go to a tattoo shop and get your entire body tattoed black, just don't be surprised if people stare at your like your a Mr. Popo wannabe.

        If a girl wants to be a man, then so be it. Its a choice they have to live with, but you can't just change your race on a whim.
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        Deadpool_18 23 hours ago#123
        Choco posted...
        because your gender is determined by your brain whereas race is a social construct


        So coming up with names for things is now a social construct...? Not natural human instinct? Language is a social construct?
        Jet fuel can't melt steel beams.
        Bio1590 23 hours ago#124
        Deadpool_18 posted...
        Language is a social construct?

        There are many that say yes.

        And if you're going to argue that race isn't a social construct then...

        Waluigi7 posted...
        Bio1590 posted...
        Topics like these gove me no hope for the future of America

        You're not even American.

        And? They've been repeating the same arguments for decades but just changing who they apply them to.
        Rachel Dolezal and Michael Jackson are examples of transracial people.
        Stop asking me if I'm Jessica Simpson. Jewish girls
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        Dragonblade01 23 hours ago#126
        At least in theory, transgender is based on biological phenomena, whereas transrace would be based on social phenomena.
        PSN: kazukifafner
        Nazanir 22 hours ago#127
        26_Sandman_39 posted...
        Choco posted...
        because your gender is determined by your brain whereas race is a social construct


        Gender is a social construct. There's no binary part of your brain that distinguishes whether your sex was "wrong".

        If gender is a social construct, how can you be born as the wrong gender then?
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        PinkiePie462 22 hours ago#128
        Solar_Crimson posted...
        Are there actual mental differences between the races?


        Yes
        PinkiePie462 22 hours ago#129
        nativengine posted...
        I should be able to identify as a black woman despite being a Native American male without judgement. It's only fair


        True, especially since you're a high priority minority
        PinkiePie462 22 hours ago#130
        Conflict posted...
        Ammonitida posted...
        And are you a bigot if you are a straight male and don't find transgender females sexually attractive on account that they were born male?


        Literally nobody thinks this. Stfu


        Wtf this is a classic SJW annoyance
        PinkiePie462 22 hours ago#131
        Capn Circus posted...
        Conflict posted...
        Ammonitida posted...
        And are you a bigot if you are a straight male and don't find transgender females sexually attractive on account that they were born male?


        Literally nobody thinks this. Stfu


        http://www.theblaze.com/news/2017/07/03/transgender-activist-straight-men-should-work-through-non-attraction-to-transgender-women/


        Oh wow, that person has such a lame tattoo lol
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        Dragonblade01 21 hours ago#133
        PinkiePie462 posted...
        Solar_Crimson posted...
        Are there actual mental differences between the races?


        Yes

        But it's important to note that those differences do not seem to be tied to any race "gene" or race "chromosome." Rather, it's simply the generalized biological tendencies of people inhabiting or descended from those who inhabited a particular geographical area.
        PSN: kazukifafner
        ColdOne666 21 hours ago#134
        Choco posted...
        because your gender is determined by your brain whereas race is a social construct


        Wtf who believes this s*** lol.
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        ShinobiNinjaX 21 hours ago#135
        Dragonblade01 posted...
        PinkiePie462 posted...
        Solar_Crimson posted...
        Are there actual mental differences between the races?


        Yes

        But it's important to note that those differences do not seem to be tied to any race "gene" or race "chromosome." Rather, it's simply the generalized biological tendencies of people inhabiting or descended from those who inhabited a particular geographical area.

        If an Asian baby is adopted by a White family, the Asian baby is now 100% White. Biological tendencies would be out the window in this scenario.
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        Dragonblade01 21 hours ago#136
        ShinobiNinjaX posted...
        Dragonblade01 posted...
        PinkiePie462 posted...
        Solar_Crimson posted...
        Are there actual mental differences between the races?


        Yes

        But it's important to note that those differences do not seem to be tied to any race "gene" or race "chromosome." Rather, it's simply the generalized biological tendencies of people inhabiting or descended from those who inhabited a particular geographical area.

        If an Asian baby is adopted by a White family, the Asian baby is now 100% White. Biological tendencies would be out the window in this scenario.

        Culturally, yes. And I'm not saying that's unimportant. In fact, I don't think it's unreasonable to suggest that cultural learning plays a significantly greater role than any small differences in biological tendencies between races.

        I'm simply pointing out that, in the discussion of "transgender vs transrace," the issue of biological distinctions is fundamentally different between the two. One has a direct, inseparable link to biological development (sex), while the other is merely based on the general trends of people in a certain area (race).
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        ManBeast462 20 hours ago#137
        They're both mental disorders
        hockeybub89 20 hours ago#138
        ManBeast462 posted...
        They're both mental disorders

        Racial dysphoria is not a recognized mental disorder and there is no proof it exists.
        OctilIery 6 hours ago#139
        ManBeast462 posted...
        They're both mental disorders

        Transgenderism isn't.
        Nomadic View posted...
        Gender dysphoria is a recognized mental disorder. 

        https://www.psychologytoday.com/conditions/gender-dysphoria


        are you saying being transgender means you have a mental disorder?
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        RECON64bit 6 hours ago#141
        you know you can be mixed race right
        Conflict posted...
        Ammonitida posted...
        And are you a bigot if you are a straight male and don't find transgender females sexually attractive on account that they were born male?


        Literally nobody thinks this. Stfu

        Allergic to bull****.
        OctilIery 6 hours ago#143
        darkphoenix181 posted...
        Nomadic View posted...
        Gender dysphoria is a recognized mental disorder. 

        https://www.psychologytoday.com/conditions/gender-dysphoria


        are you saying being transgender means you have a mental disorder?

        He's trying to, but doesn't understand the difference between transgenderism and gender dysphoria.
        PinkiePie462 2 hours ago#144
        OctilIery posted...
        ManBeast462 posted...
        They're both mental disorders

        Transgenderism isn't.


        Yes it is lol
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