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July 14, 2017

Why is it racist to want MJ to be a white redhead?

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darkprince45 2 hours ago#1
I'm not even white but I don't need other minority characters that are supposed to be different in the original source material 
Don't pander to me, just stay true to the source. 

What would the outrage be if they made a Blade movie and Blade was a white dude?
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chill02 2 hours ago#2
Michael Jordan's a man, dude
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darkphoenix181 2 hours ago#4
might made more sense to have mj a white redhead but make a new latina character who steals spiderman's eye
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LightHawKnight 2 hours ago#5
I feel that Laura Harrier's character should have been MJ instead. If only for she is more like what MJ is than Zendaya's character was.
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Mernardi 2 hours ago#6
They never said she was Mary Jay Watson. Just MJ. 

I don't give a f*** what color the actress/actor is tbh.
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DarthAragorn 2 hours ago#7
darkphoenix181 posted...
might made more sense to have mj a white redhead but make a new latina character who steals spiderman's eye

I would have been perfectly fine with an original character love interest of any race. Just... Don't change established ones.
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voldothegr8 2 hours ago#8
Preach! I'm getting tired of Hollywood shoehorning.
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Mernardi 2 hours ago#9
Is this a secret "I don't like black people in my movies" topic
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UnholyMudcrab  needs big 32 hours ago#10
It's not racist at all.
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Yeah... I feel like the red hair is more important than the skin color.

But as has been said, this "MJ" is named Michelle, not Mary Jane, so meh. Well, even if she was officially Mary Jane, I don't care enough to get riled up about it, but still I like characters to be the characters they are supposed to be. Regardless of looks, her personality was WAY off from Mary Jane.
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Rikiaz 2 hours ago#13
DarthAragorn posted...
darkphoenix181 posted...
might made more sense to have mj a white redhead but make a new latina character who steals spiderman's eye

I would have been perfectly fine with an original character love interest of any race. Just... Don't change established ones.

They aren't. This is a new character named Michele. Her nickname being MJ is more of an easter egg. She isn't Mary Jane.
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darkprince45 2 hours ago#14
Mernardi posted...
Is this a secret "I don't like black people in my movies" topic

No wtf. I'm hyped for black panther and I love Luke cage, easily one of my favorite mcu series
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Haldol 2 hours ago#15
Not racist at all. I'm black and I hate when they turn random characters black just to be "inclusive". Just make new black characters

That said. This is not Mary Jay. It's a new character, like pretty much all of them in the movie. It's a different universe, so it's cool.
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Funkydog  question him ALWAYS2 hours ago#16
She can dye her hair red like the other actresses if it so important tbh. I don't feel it is, but it is possible.
Haldol posted...
Not racist at all. I'm black and I hate when they turn random characters black just to be "inclusive". Just make new black characters

That said. This is not Mary Jay. It's a new character, like pretty much all of them in the movie. It's a different universe, so it's cool.

But when they make new characters then people go, "why did they make this new character? Where is so and so from the comics." Of course what homecoming did was worse as it made new characters and called them comic book characters.
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chill02 posted...
Michael Jordan's a man, dude
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Samurontai 1 hour ago#20
I don't understand why people get upset over things like this, but never bat an eye when it comes to movies like The Great Wall, or Gods of Egypt 

Like, who gives a s***. Isn't the MCU a completely different universe than the comics anyway?
Deadpool_18 1 hour ago#21
It isn't. People like to project.
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Deadpool_18 1 hour ago#22
Mernardi posted...
They never said she was Mary Jay Watson. Just MJ. 

I don't give a f*** what color the actress/actor is tbh.


Because you aren't a fan of Spider-Man. I'm pretty tired of people without vested interests trying to dictate what is or isn't acceptable in things like the Marvel universe. Some people need to keep their mouths shut.
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Samurontai 1 hour ago#23
Deadpool_18 posted...
Mernardi posted...
They never said she was Mary Jay Watson. Just MJ. 

I don't give a f*** what color the actress/actor is tbh.


Because you aren't a fan of Spider-Man. I'm pretty tired of people without vested interests trying to dictate what is or isn't acceptable in things like the Marvel universe. Some people need to keep their mouths shut.


Spider-Man is literally my favorite superhero, and has been since I was a little kid

And even I agree with his post

No one gives a s*** if they change the color of someone's skin in a movie that's set in a completely different universe anyway
If we can switch up Adrian Tombs' backstory as the Vulture and reinterpret a couple other members of the will be Sinister Six, we can certainly reinterpret MJ. And this character's name isn't even the same. Like how is this even applicable?
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Deadpool_18 1 hour ago#25
Samurontai posted...
No one gives a s*** if they change the color of someone's skin in a movie that's set in a completely different universe anyway


Plenty of people give a s*** that Zendaya is a pure bastardization of an iconic comic character. 

hollow_shrine posted...
And this character's name isn't even the same.


Literally MJ. What? You think they're going to introduce two MJ's?
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Medz2017 1 hour ago#26
Michael Jackson was 3/4 there
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Samurontai 1 hour ago#27
Deadpool_18 posted...
Samurontai posted...
No one gives a s*** if they change the color of someone's skin in a movie that's set in a completely different universe anyway


Plenty of people give a s*** that Zendaya is a pure bastardization of an iconic comic character. 

hollow_shrine posted...
And this character's name isn't even the same.


Literally MJ. What? You think they're going to introduce two MJ's?


You're right, I'm sorry

Nobody but salty comic fanboys care about the skin of the character
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Deadpool_18 1 hour ago#30
Samurontai posted...
Deadpool_18 posted...
Samurontai posted...
No one gives a s*** if they change the color of someone's skin in a movie that's set in a completely different universe anyway


Plenty of people give a s*** that Zendaya is a pure bastardization of an iconic comic character. 

hollow_shrine posted...
And this character's name isn't even the same.


Literally MJ. What? You think they're going to introduce two MJ's?


You're right, I'm sorry

Nobody but salty comic fanboys care about the skin of the character


It's not even her skin. It's her backwards personality. I'm holding out hope that they do a 180 and have a modeling agency discover her in HS, but trying to discredit the opinions of the people most familiar with the source material by calling them comic nerds makes you look absolutely stupid.
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It wouldn't bother me but they went out of their way to race change as many people as possible.

MJ, Shocker, Flash, not Harry but they gave him an Asian friend instead of even using him.
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Samurontai 1 hour ago#32
Deadpool_18 posted...
Samurontai posted...
Deadpool_18 posted...
Samurontai posted...
No one gives a s*** if they change the color of someone's skin in a movie that's set in a completely different universe anyway


Plenty of people give a s*** that Zendaya is a pure bastardization of an iconic comic character. 

hollow_shrine posted...
And this character's name isn't even the same.


Literally MJ. What? You think they're going to introduce two MJ's?


You're right, I'm sorry

Nobody but salty comic fanboys care about the skin of the character


It's not even her skin. It's her backwards personality. I'm holding out hope that they do a 180 and have a modeling agency discover her in HS, but trying to discredit the opinions of the people most familiar with the source material by calling them comic nerds makes you look absolutely stupid.


It really doesn't make me look stupid when the only people who care about it are comic nerds tbh

Most people don't give a s***, and thought they were all great
Deadpool_18 1 hour ago#33
Samurontai posted...
It really doesn't make me look stupid


No, it does. Wanting your favorite series to stay somewhat true to the source material isn't racist and it isn't weird that it matters to the fans. I distinctly remember you throwing a b**** fit over Scarlett Jo in Ghost In The Shell, so this is especially humorous for me.
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Samurontai 1 hour ago#34
Deadpool_18 posted...
Samurontai posted...
It really doesn't make me look stupid


No, it does. Wanting your favorite series to stay somewhat true to the source material isn't racist and it isn't weird that it matters to the fans. I distinctly remember you throwing a b**** fit over Scarlett Jo in Ghost In The Shell, so this is especially humorous for me.


No it's just stupid to complain about something that is loosely based off the source material

And what the hell are you talking about? I was doing the complete opposite in regards to the Scar Jo ordeal lmao
Deadpool_18 posted...
Samurontai posted...
No one gives a s*** if they change the color of someone's skin in a movie that's set in a completely different universe anyway


Plenty of people give a s*** that Zendaya is a pure bastardization of an iconic comic character. 

hollow_shrine posted...
And this character's name isn't even the same.


Literally MJ. What? You think they're going to introduce two MJ's?

Don't be dense. Comic MJ is short for Mary Jane. The intitials 'MJ' could be anything, as the rest of the topic has pointed out.
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Deadpool_18 1 hour ago#36
Samurontai posted...
Deadpool_18 posted...
Samurontai posted...
It really doesn't make me look stupid


No, it does. Wanting your favorite series to stay somewhat true to the source material isn't racist and it isn't weird that it matters to the fans. I distinctly remember you throwing a b**** fit over Scarlett Jo in Ghost In The Shell, so this is especially humorous for me.


No it's just stupid to complain about something that is loosely based off the source material

And what the hell are you talking about? I was doing the complete opposite in regards to the Scar Jo ordeal lmao


Well now that it's convenient for you to take that stance, of course you're going to claim the opposite. It's not stupid. At all. I loved the movie, but Flash's casting is a mistake and Zendaya doesn't display any traits of the iconic MJ. A simple name switch would have gone a long, long way.
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Deadpool_18 1 hour ago#37
hollow_shrine posted...
Don't be dense.


I'm not. The argument of "It's not the same name" while having the exact initials of the intended character is simply irrelevant. I loved the movie, but you guys acting like it was without its flaws are just laughable. Tom Holland was perfect in every way, but the supporting cast needs work.
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Deadpool_18 posted...
Zendaya doesn't display any traits of the iconic MJ

I disagree. I can certainly see shades of some of Mary Jane's more glib moments in Zendaya's MJ. I want to see their banter in the next movie once she's less of a supporting cast member and more center stage. And that's assuming they don't throw us a curveball and introduce Gwen.

Deadpool_18 posted...
I'm not. The argument of "It's not the same name" while having the exact initials of the intended character is simply irrelevant. I loved the movie, but you guys acting like it was without its flaws are just laughable. Tom Holland was perfect in every way, but the supporting cast needs work.

Who needed work? Okay Aunt May didn't have enough to do here, but they've fixed that. Even the Prowler got it some really good moments, and he's just an easter egg.
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Turbam 59 minutes ago#39
smh
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Dash_Harber 57 minutes ago#40
Yet not a single topic when Ben Urich was cast as black, despite being white in the comics. So it's important to look like the comics when it's a main character, but it's okay for minor characters to be black, eh?
Samurontai 57 minutes ago#41
I never said it was without its flaws lmao

It's just such a dumb thing to get upset about
Deadpool_18 57 minutes ago#42
hollow_shrine posted...
Deadpool_18 posted...
Zendaya doesn't display any traits of the iconic MJ

I disagree. I can certainly see shades of some of Mary Jane's more glib moments in Zendaya's MJ. I want to see their banter in the next movie once she's less of a supporting cast member and more center stage. And that's assuming they don't throw us a curveball and introduce Gwen.


I can see how she could develop into the MJ from the comics, fur sure, but she didn't resemble her much at all in the movie, imo.
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hollow_shrine 53 minutes ago#43
Deadpool_18 posted...
I can see how she could develop into the MJ from the comics, fur sure, but she didn't resemble her much at all in the movie, imo.

I don't think Michelle has any interest in fashion or acting. It's not present in her characterization thus far. She also doesn't have Aunt Anna acting as her harbinger, and needling Aunt May and Peter about taking her daughter out on a blind date. Beyond their conversation dynamic, I don't ever see Michelle moving any closer to Mary Jane from the comics.
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Deadpool_18 51 minutes ago#44
hollow_shrine posted...
Who needed work?


Flash, particularly. Flash isn't a rival. He's a bully. They got a few things right, but he needed to be meaner. 

Samurontai posted...
It's just such a dumb thing to get upset about


Your first mistake was assuming I was outraged by it. I'm not. I'm hopeful. I just know it could have been a lot better had they either introduced Zendaya as her own, new, independent character rather than tacking on the iconic initials that greatly imply fairly important details in the universe.
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No one seemed annoyed about Ned Leeds or Betty Brant or Adrian Toomes or any of the many changes they made...
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Deadpool_18 50 minutes ago#46
hollow_shrine posted...
I don't think Michelle has any interest in fashion or acting.


Well she's 15 and they quite obviously downplayed her looks the entire movie. I see some sort of drastic makeover coming.
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Samurontai 50 minutes ago#47
Deadpool_18 posted...
hollow_shrine posted...
Who needed work?


Flash, particularly. Flash isn't a rival. He's a bully. They got a few things right, but he needed to be meaner. 

Samurontai posted...
It's just such a dumb thing to get upset about


Your first mistake was assuming I was outraged by it. I'm not. I'm hopeful. I just know it could have been a lot better had they either introduced Zendaya as her own, new, independent character rather than tacking on the iconic initials that greatly imply fairly important details in the universe.


Fair enough

Maybe she just does indeed share the same initials as Mary Jane and a sequel will show her full name or some s***

Stay hopeful
Deadpool_18 48 minutes ago#48
Samurontai posted...
Deadpool_18 posted...
hollow_shrine posted...
Who needed work?


Flash, particularly. Flash isn't a rival. He's a bully. They got a few things right, but he needed to be meaner. 

Samurontai posted...
It's just such a dumb thing to get upset about


Your first mistake was assuming I was outraged by it. I'm not. I'm hopeful. I just know it could have been a lot better had they either introduced Zendaya as her own, new, independent character rather than tacking on the iconic initials that greatly imply fairly important details in the universe.


Fair enough 

Maybe she just does indeed share the same initials as Mary Jane and a sequel will show her full name or some s*** 

Stay hopeful


Fingers crossed, bruh. Even if they develop her further into someone that simply motivates Peter between right and wrong and makes his choices clearer, I'll take her as MJ. If she even utters the words "Go get em, Tiger." I'll take her. I just NEED some resemblances, lol.
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ViewtifulGrave 20 minutes ago#49
The MCU isn't the main 616 universe it's the 19999 universe. It's supposed to be different.
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--kresnik-- 18 minutes ago#50
I agree. Little Ophan Annie? Spider-Man's woman? Come on. 

Changing Blade to a white guy is another one that would be stupid. As a white person, I'd be pissed.
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