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July 14, 2017

Sony & Gaming Media Controlling the Console Market and Killing Xbox

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He might be onto something here. He makes good points on how "gamers" are siding with $ony's anti consumer practices lately instead of wanting and asking for change. He also makes a good point and I laughed at it pretty loudly due to how true it is that IGN and Gamespot are salty that they didn't get first crack at the Xbox One X instead of Digital Foundry. 



Everything he said reflects the gamers here on this board and on every social media site.
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Billo 2 days ago#2
Agreed. I can already see the media writing articles about every single title that doesn't run at Native 4K on XB1X, and calling MS liars and whatnot.

Nevermind the fact that MS hasn't promised Native 4K for all games, they've promised "True 4K", which admittedly is a very confusing term that makes anyone who hears it think it's a native 4K console. But that's really the listener's fault, MS has provided the definition for the term on their website, if people want to go by the old definition of the word "True" then that's on them.
calinks 2 days ago#3
I wouldn't go as far to claim its as deep as some lead on but I think there is clearly a negative stigma/bias against Xbox this generation. They are immediately dismissed and they get scrutinized hard while Sony and now Nintendo seem to get a lot of extra clout. Looking at their track record this generation, I can understand why people would be disappointed or skeptical with Xbox but its really beat over the head in the media. Its almost like people go in wanting hate on the brand and wanting to love whatever thing Sony does. 

On top of that, a lot of the games media has gone on to own powerful gaming PC rigs and a lot of them seem to act like everyone has a good gaming PC and I cant tell you how many times I have heard "Yea, I will get it on my PC" said in a negative way about an xbox game. Its like they have disdain for the fact that they can play those games on their powerful PC machine.
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Mirage13 2 days ago#4
I just look forward to the damage control by PS4 fanboys when they try to rationalize how the PS4 Pro is still a better buy over the Xbox One X; which any rational person knows that there isn't.
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Satchmo25 2 days ago#5
Mirage13 posted...
I just look forward to the damage control by PS4 fanboys when they try to rationalize how the PS4 Pro is still a better buy over the Xbox One X; which any rational person knows that there isn't.

It's not, even at $100 cheaper. Worse performance than a PS4 and still struggling with 720p makes the PSPro a poor choice
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Billo 2 days ago#6
Mirage13 posted...
I just look forward to the damage control by PS4 fanboys when they try to rationalize how the PS4 Pro is still a better buy over the Xbox One X; which any rational person knows that there isn't.

PS4 fans don't need to rationalize that it's a better buy though, it's outselling the XB1 5:1 these days, vast majority clearly already believes it's a better buy.
Rationalization is the domain of the underdog.
TheGam3925 2 days ago#7
Billo posted...
Agreed. I can already see the media writing articles about every single title that doesn't run at Native 4K on XB1X, and calling MS liars and whatnot.

Nevermind the fact that MS hasn't promised Native 4K for all games, they've promised "True 4K", which admittedly is a very confusing term that makes anyone who hears it think it's a native 4K console. But that's really the listener's fault, MS has provided the definition for the term on their website, if people want to go by the old definition of the word "True" then that's on them.

The issue with the deceptive "True 4K" buzzword that M$ created themselves is that the PS4 Pro also meets M$' criteria as a "True 4K" console just from going by their own description of True 4K.

And when M$' makes claims that the Scorpio is the world's first true 4K console it's nothing but a blatant lie.

http://gamingbolt.com/xbox-scorpio-will-be-worlds-only-true-4k-console-microsoft-says-again

I don't think lying to consumers is very consumer friendly lol.
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AndyJoe89 2 days ago#8
calinks posted...
On top of that, a lot of the games media has gone on to own powerful gaming PC rigs and a lot of them seem to act like everyone has a good gaming PC and I cant tell you how many times I have heard "Yea, I will get it on my PC" said in a negative way about an xbox game. Its like they have disdain for the fact that they can play those games on their powerful PC machine.

It seems that gamers on the Internet have become ignorant. They can't seem to fathom that some people just don't care to play games on PC or don't feel like playing everything on PC.
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calinks 2 days ago#9
AndyJoe89 posted...
calinks posted...
On top of that, a lot of the games media has gone on to own powerful gaming PC rigs and a lot of them seem to act like everyone has a good gaming PC and I cant tell you how many times I have heard "Yea, I will get it on my PC" said in a negative way about an xbox game. Its like they have disdain for the fact that they can play those games on their powerful PC machine.

It seems that gamers on the Internet have become ignorant. They can't seem to fathom that some people just don't care to play games on PC or don't feel like playing everything on PC.

Yep. I think they just view their own little bubble with their crop of hardcore gaming friends and just think everyone is like that.
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Why not just enjoy whatever you game on and quit worrying about other people.
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WhiteRosse 2 days ago#13
AndyJoe89 posted...
calinks posted...
On top of that, a lot of the games media has gone on to own powerful gaming PC rigs and a lot of them seem to act like everyone has a good gaming PC and I cant tell you how many times I have heard "Yea, I will get it on my PC" said in a negative way about an xbox game. Its like they have disdain for the fact that they can play those games on their powerful PC machine.

It seems that gamers on the Internet have become ignorant. They can't seem to fathom that some people just don't care to play games on PC or don't feel like playing everything on PC.


I have a gaming PC, and I prefer to play some multiplats on console for preference.
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Billo posted...
"True 4K", which admittedly is a very confusing term that makes anyone who hears it think it's a native 4K console.

Billo posted...
if people want to go by the old definition of the word "True" then that's on them.

Wow...I couldn't make this stuff up...


TheGam3925 posted...
The issue with the deceptive "True 4K" buzzword that M$ created themselves is that the PS4 Pro also meets M$' criteria as a "True 4K" console just from going by their own description of True 4K.

And when M$' makes claims that the Scorpio is the world's first true 4K console it's nothing but a blatant lie.

The media seems to be more aware of that than some gamers here...whenever checkerboarding is mentioned in an X1X article (which is happening more and more frequently), I know the writer has some inkling as to what is going on....
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SRV_God 1 day ago#15
Remember the Xbox One initial reveal? Most people haven't forgiven them.

Not the mention MS saying true 4K console over and over. When it comes time to talk, alot of games are 4k Checkerboard like the pro. Theyes did this to themselves.

Let's not forgot all the constant contradictions that Phil keeps spewing. "Scale bound is comming along fine", "We are focusing on first part software" etc.

Their e3 press conference full timed indie exclusives. Why show a powerful console with only 3rd party games that won't be fully realized?

Naturally Sony is guilty of a few things this gen too. No BC buy PSNow instead, PS PLUS increase, overall increased arrogance of being at the top.

MS certainly has been doing a lot to win back consumers, but they still have quite a few missteps. 

The difference is, I put up with a few missteps and arrogance from Sony because the games that are al ready released and the ones on the way.
I don't think there is any evil conspiracy there. Sony launched with a better PR angle and price point, took the sales lead, and incentivized devs to lean to them due to numbers. They also make some really good first party games.

All that aside, some of their most ardent supporters are a bit blind. Sony did strong work with their launch and have shown savvy business practice in terms of the gaming market, however, they're not as angelic as what people make them out to be: after all, they are still a business.

Microsoft offers the most versatility now in gaming on consoles via subscriptions, streaming, and now connection with other consoles on games like Rocket League. Add on the fact Microsoft is soon to have the strongest console on the market and cheapest 4k player. Say what you will about checkerboarding, but for the cost and performance compared to the Pro and difficulty in replicating that on a PC under that price range, and all we can really say is they're putting in work. Its black eye: loss of first party devs and a bad launch. They're improving and making strides that Sony is not attempting, could not do, or willing to try. Sony I feel has relaxed and is not putting in the same tempo, which is understandable since they have such a lead. All this said, they're both great gaming platforms and I'm looking forward to having both a Pro and Xbox One X come this fall.
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bob15x 1 day ago#17
Billo posted...
Mirage13 posted...
I just look forward to the damage control by PS4 fanboys when they try to rationalize how the PS4 Pro is still a better buy over the Xbox One X; which any rational person knows that there isn't.

PS4 fans don't need to rationalize that it's a better buy though, it's outselling the XB1 5:1 these days, vast majority clearly already believes it's a better buy.
Rationalization is the domain of the underdog.


5:1? according to reports sony has sold double world wide, or are you taking just recent reports.
SRV_God 1 day ago#18
bob15x posted...
Billo posted...
Mirage13 posted...
I just look forward to the damage control by PS4 fanboys when they try to rationalize how the PS4 Pro is still a better buy over the Xbox One X; which any rational person knows that there isn't.

PS4 fans don't need to rationalize that it's a better buy though, it's outselling the XB1 5:1 these days, vast majority clearly already believes it's a better buy.
Rationalization is the domain of the underdog.


5:1? according to reports sony has sold double world wide, or are you taking just recent reports.


I think he is just referring to the last vg charts report. something like 77k vs 350k worldwide. Seems a bit low though.
This is sad... You all are better than this... Or maybe not. All of you are so far deep into your stupid console war crap, that you take literal offense to the preferences of what consoles other people choose. So sad.
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bob15x 1 day ago#20
SRV_God posted...
bob15x posted...
Billo posted...
Mirage13 posted...
I just look forward to the damage control by PS4 fanboys when they try to rationalize how the PS4 Pro is still a better buy over the Xbox One X; which any rational person knows that there isn't.

PS4 fans don't need to rationalize that it's a better buy though, it's outselling the XB1 5:1 these days, vast majority clearly already believes it's a better buy.
Rationalization is the domain of the underdog.


5:1? according to reports sony has sold double world wide, or are you taking just recent reports.


I think he is just referring to the last vg charts report. something like 77k vs 350k worldwide. Seems a bit low though.


well xbox one x is coming out so that can kill sales, same thing happen with the pro.
DeadCellScorpio 1 day ago#21
Satchmo25 posted...
Mirage13 posted...
I just look forward to the damage control by PS4 fanboys when they try to rationalize how the PS4 Pro is still a better buy over the Xbox One X; which any rational person knows that there isn't.

It's not, even at $100 cheaper. Worse performance than a PS4 and still struggling with 720p makes the PSPro a poor choice



Well the PS4 Pro is relatively weaker than the Xbox One X and it's "power" will be irrelevant once the X1X launches so being cheaper for inferior hardware makes sense. But like Mirage pointed out they are already doing damage control daily and hourly about how the much weaker Pro is a better buy LOL


The guy had another video on YouTube and he stated Gt Sport could barely do 30fps not very good if so.
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Agree with pretty much all this video has to say, but one thing I can remember that I disagreed with was that "the Pro can make claims similar to what the X can but with older games" (or whatever he said) ... it can't with a PS2 game? 

As for this 'true 4k' moniker, some had caught on to it not having the word native from day one, but I put it in the same box as when Sony revealed the Pro showing off 4k gameplay footage - Andromeda being an example - but wasn't that checkerboarding in the end? 

I imagine the same will happen with the X.
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DeadCellScorpio 1 day ago#24
robert_rangersu posted...
He's right, Sony have been total dicks for most of the gen, they're comfy in front and don't give a damn about anything but that money pouring in.



He's also right about this one "Sony is just collecting checks at this point"
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Killing Xbox? You mean Xbox is still alive? Not even a PS4 Pro wanna be and also 1 year late is going to turn it around. lol.
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DeadCellScorpio 1 day ago#26
jairusmonillas posted...
Killing Xbox? You mean Xbox is still alive? Not even a PS4 Pro wanna be and also 1 year late is going to turn it around. lol.



This is the perfect example of the toxic gamer ^ that the person in the video was talking about LOL



Thank you for proving his point.
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hrj 1 day ago#27
Satchmo25 posted...
Mirage13 posted...
I just look forward to the damage control by PS4 fanboys when they try to rationalize how the PS4 Pro is still a better buy over the Xbox One X; which any rational person knows that there isn't.

It's not, even at $100 cheaper. Worse performance than a PS4 and still struggling with 720p makes the PSPro a poor choice


LOL bulls*** but whatever dude.
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DeadCellScorpio posted...
jairusmonillas posted...
Killing Xbox? You mean Xbox is still alive? Not even a PS4 Pro wanna be and also 1 year late is going to turn it around. lol.



This is the perfect example of the toxic gamer ^ that the person in the video was talking about LOL



Thank you for proving his point.


PS4 family is way too far ahead of Xbox One family. Deal with it.
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ejay8320 1 day ago#29
Look, the Xbox One X will be a power system no doubt about it, but for the most part value and price will trump power.

As of right now we only know of the $500 base system so barring any upcoming bundles PS4 has a complete advantage in value/price. Recently a PS4PRO Destiny 2 Bundle was announced $450 USD includes a white PS4PRO (I dont understand the crazy love for white consoles) + Destiny 2 + Season Pass. To get that on the Xbox One X it would cost you $600. $150 more. Hate destiny as much as you want too but it sold really well and it's likely to do the same with the sequel.

Again this is barring any bundles. Until we see a bundle this is what most will see:

PS4PRO + Destiny 2 + Season Pass only $450

Xbox One X + Game = $500 + Game cost
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ejay8320 posted...
Look, the Xbox One X will be a power system no doubt about it, but for the most part value and price will trump power.

As of right now we only know of the $500 base system so barring any upcoming bundles PS4 has a complete advantage in value/price. Recently a PS4PRO Destiny 2 Bundle was announced $450 USD includes a white PS4PRO (I dont understand the crazy love for white consoles) + Destiny 2 + Season Pass. To get that on the Xbox One X it would cost you $600. $150 more. Hate destiny as much as you want too but it sold really well and it's likely to do the same with the sequel.

Again this is barring any bundles. Until we see a bundle this is what most will see:

PS4PRO + Destiny 2 + Season Pass only $450

Xbox One X + Game = $500 + Game cost


Stop the presses! A system that has been out for almost a year will be found cheaper than a system that hasn't been released yet.
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AgentLocke 1 day ago#31
DeadCellScorpio posted...
jairusmonillas posted...
Killing Xbox? You mean Xbox is still alive? Not even a PS4 Pro wanna be and also 1 year late is going to turn it around. lol.



This is the perfect example of the toxic gamer ^ that the person in the video was talking about LOL

Thank you for proving his point.



Hah seriously. A parody of himself. Best part is, when something is the better product, it's not a wannabe

jairusmonillas posted...
Deal with it.


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ejay8320 1 day ago#32
THEaircobra posted...
Stop the presses! A system that has been out for almost a year will be found cheaper than a system that hasn't been released yet.


does it invalidate what I posted? NO

Yes it's going to be older than the Xbox One X never said it wont be. You must really underestimate what $50 - $100 price difference will do when people are making a decision.

Edit: Just to add the only reason Xbox one couldn't outsell PS4 after it became cheaper was due to the stigma of the reveal and 2013 E3 PR mess. Proving the "any Publicity is good Publicity" is a total lie.
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DeadCellScorpio 1 day ago#33
AgentLocke posted...
DeadCellScorpio posted...
jairusmonillas posted...
Killing Xbox? You mean Xbox is still alive? Not even a PS4 Pro wanna be and also 1 year late is going to turn it around. lol.



This is the perfect example of the toxic gamer ^ that the person in the video was talking about LOL

Thank you for proving his point.



Hah seriously. A parody of himself. Best part is, when something is the better product, it's not a wannabe

jairusmonillas posted...
Deal with it.


Aww little Sony warrior is adorable!!!



He couldn't help himself LOL
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DaKingO 1 day ago#34
SRV_God posted...
bob15x posted...
Billo posted...
Mirage13 posted...
I just look forward to the damage control by PS4 fanboys when they try to rationalize how the PS4 Pro is still a better buy over the Xbox One X; which any rational person knows that there isn't.

PS4 fans don't need to rationalize that it's a better buy though, it's outselling the XB1 5:1 these days, vast majority clearly already believes it's a better buy.
Rationalization is the domain of the underdog.


5:1? according to reports sony has sold double world wide, or are you taking just recent reports.


I think he is just referring to the last vg charts report. something like 77k vs 350k worldwide. Seems a bit low though.


Vgchartz is innacurate and horrible for anything other than Japanese numbers. They take and compile other people's data and when the don't the make up ****. this is why NPD is no longer public.

If you use vgchartz you don't have an argument (as you've based it all on a lie, no matter how true the premise of your argument). The PS4 is outselling XB1 by like 2:1 -2.16:1.
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Billo posted...
Mirage13 posted...
I just look forward to the damage control by PS4 fanboys when they try to rationalize how the PS4 Pro is still a better buy over the Xbox One X; which any rational person knows that there isn't.

PS4 fans don't need to rationalize that it's a better buy though, it's outselling the XB1 5:1 these days, vast majority clearly already believes it's a better buy.
Rationalization is the domain of the underdog.


If you bring in the exclusive games, they will buy. 

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VENOMOUS75 1 day ago#36
Billo posted...
Mirage13 posted...
I just look forward to the damage control by PS4 fanboys when they try to rationalize how the PS4 Pro is still a better buy over the Xbox One X; which any rational person knows that there isn't.

PS4 fans don't need to rationalize that it's a better buy though, it's outselling the XB1 5:1 these days, vast majority clearly already believes it's a better buy.
Rationalization is the domain of the underdog.



Damage control.
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People are flaming Sony for the cross play. It is only fanboys defending that. We know it contradicts their phrase that PS4 is for the players and the best place to play.
kyncani 1 day ago#39
userfrigginame posted...
This is sad... You all are better than this... Or maybe not. All of you are so far deep into your stupid console war crap, that you take literal offense to the preferences of what consoles other people choose. So sad.

QFT. That worldwide conspiracy of medias casting fear and doubt over Xbox One or the world being full of blind fanboys is just sad now. Sony just made a better console this gen; get over it.
ejay8320 1 day ago#40
quickposter posted...
People are flaming Sony for the cross play. It is only fanboys defending that. We know it contradicts their phrase that PS4 is for the players and the best place to play.


I personally think the only reason Sony is passing on the crossplay on those two games are the promotion of opposing brand with in the playstation eco system:

Rocket League: Nintendo is getting special Nintendo branded cars or hats for their cars which essentially promotes their brand.

Minecraft requires a Live account

While I see no resistance from Sony when SE was offering crossplay with FFXIV. So as long as it's being neutral and no brand is being promoted by the game or in the game - I think Sony would be fine with crossplay.

Note: I do agree Sony should do crossplay
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SRV_God posted...
Remember the Xbox One initial reveal? Most people haven't forgiven them.

Not the mention MS saying true 4K console over and over. When it comes time to talk, alot of games are 4k Checkerboard like the pro. Theyes did this to themselves.

Let's not forgot all the constant contradictions that Phil keeps spewing. "Scale bound is comming along fine", "We are focusing on first part software" etc.

Their e3 press conference full timed indie exclusives. Why show a powerful console with only 3rd party games that won't be fully realized?

Naturally Sony is guilty of a few things this gen too. No BC buy PSNow instead, PS PLUS increase, overall increased arrogance of being at the top.

MS certainly has been doing a lot to win back consumers, but they still have quite a few missteps. 

The difference is, I put up with a few missteps and arrogance from Sony because the games that are al ready released and the ones on the way.

Phil was not all talk though. There were some good exclusives during E3. I was perfectly satisfied with that.
ejay8320 posted...
quickposter posted...
People are flaming Sony for the cross play. It is only fanboys defending that. We know it contradicts their phrase that PS4 is for the players and the best place to play.


I personally think the only reason Sony is passing on the crossplay on those two games are the promotion of opposing brand with in the playstation eco system:

Rocket League: Nintendo is getting special Nintendo branded cars or hats for their cars which essentially promotes their brand.

Minecraft requires a Live account

While I see no resistance from Sony when SE was offering crossplay with FFXIV. So as long as it's being neutral and no brand is being promoted by the game or in the game - I think Sony would be fine with crossplay.

Note: I do agree Sony should do crossplay

While I understand they have their brand to push they are making a big miscalculation with this strategy. It was their open approach to online services last gen that won Valve over. As time goes on both Developers and Publishers are going to be pushing for cross play.

If Microsoft catch Sony companies can intentionally sabotage PS4 releases or maybe even choose to skip the platform altogether.

It is a double edged sword of "you need us as much as we need you" but it will only happen IF Microsoft catch them.

I think Sony will cave eventually. It is just a matter of when.
ejay8320 1 day ago#43
quickposter posted...
ejay8320 posted...
quickposter posted...
People are flaming Sony for the cross play. It is only fanboys defending that. We know it contradicts their phrase that PS4 is for the players and the best place to play.


I personally think the only reason Sony is passing on the crossplay on those two games are the promotion of opposing brand with in the playstation eco system:

Rocket League: Nintendo is getting special Nintendo branded cars or hats for their cars which essentially promotes their brand.

Minecraft requires a Live account

While I see no resistance from Sony when SE was offering crossplay with FFXIV. So as long as it's being neutral and no brand is being promoted by the game or in the game - I think Sony would be fine with crossplay.

Note: I do agree Sony should do crossplay

While I understand they have their brand to push they are making a big miscalculation with this strategy. It was their open approach to online services last gen that won Valve over. As time goes on both Developers and Publishers are going to be pushing for cross play.

If Microsoft catch Sony companies can intentionally sabotage PS4 releases or maybe even choose to skip the platform altogether.

It is a double edged sword of "you need us as much as we need you" but it will only happen IF Microsoft catch them.

I think Sony will cave eventually. It is just a matter of when.


I agree but at the same time I think it will be depend on the publisher/developer. If the cause is the competitor brand promotion within the game it's a simple fix don't play favorites with anyone. With regards to minecraft its a MS owned IP so it can't be helped it's what MS chose what to do.

Wonder how hard it would be to program so only switch users would see the Nintendo specific items and others wont see it or at least the skin looks different.
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Billo 1 day ago#44
quickposter posted...
ejay8320 posted...
quickposter posted...
People are flaming Sony for the cross play. It is only fanboys defending that. We know it contradicts their phrase that PS4 is for the players and the best place to play.


I personally think the only reason Sony is passing on the crossplay on those two games are the promotion of opposing brand with in the playstation eco system:

Rocket League: Nintendo is getting special Nintendo branded cars or hats for their cars which essentially promotes their brand.

Minecraft requires a Live account

While I see no resistance from Sony when SE was offering crossplay with FFXIV. So as long as it's being neutral and no brand is being promoted by the game or in the game - I think Sony would be fine with crossplay.

Note: I do agree Sony should do crossplay

While I understand they have their brand to push they are making a big miscalculation with this strategy. It was their open approach to online services last gen that won Valve over. As time goes on both Developers and Publishers are going to be pushing for cross play.

If Microsoft catch Sony companies can intentionally sabotage PS4 releases or maybe even choose to skip the platform altogether.

It is a double edged sword of "you need us as much as we need you" but it will only happen IF Microsoft catch them.

I think Sony will cave eventually. It is just a matter of when.

No, that's just your wishful thinking. Fact is Sony is completely open to crossplay with PC. And as long as they have the bigger playerbase publishers will side with Sony and Xbox will be the one missing out on games. 

Crossplay is a nice dream but it's not gonna happen, the company that has the lead won't want to do it, it really puts a hole in the people buying a console to play with their friends angle. That was the biggest reason for 360's success, it came out a year early and it created a trend of people buying it to play with their friends especially since online gaming was taking off at that time. Sony wanted crossplay then because it would have benefited them, just like MS wants it now because it would benefit them.
DeadCellScorpio 1 day ago#45
Ephrimtrollins posted...
You know people who complain about the board getting trolled, you guys sure as hell bait trolls alot.



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SubSeenix 1 day ago#46
Yeah its the fault of Sony and the Media Crackdown 3,their biggest system seller this year, looks like a 360 game even on the X-console they try to sell for 500€

Totally the fault of Sony they don't have something like Horizon or Uncharted that just simply destroys even maxed out PC Games :D
TheSL1Club 1 day ago#47
Promising 'true 4K' then added it's up to the developers whether they want to take that advantage is almost contradictory in itself. You can't promise something that isn't in your control.
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AgentLocke 1 day ago#48
ejay8320 posted...
While I see no resistance from Sony when SE was offering crossplay with FFXIV. So as long as it's being neutral and no brand is being promoted by the game or in the game - I think Sony would be fine with crossplay.


This is the only game I truly want cross play. The game is healthy at the number 2 most popular MMO spot, but any extra subs leads to a better future for the game for everyone. It's on its second expansion (which after grinding and playing nothing else for two weeks, I'm about an hour away from it!!!) but I'd love 4-5 more in its future.
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Billo posted...
quickposter posted...
ejay8320 posted...
quickposter posted...
People are flaming Sony for the cross play. It is only fanboys defending that. We know it contradicts their phrase that PS4 is for the players and the best place to play.


I personally think the only reason Sony is passing on the crossplay on those two games are the promotion of opposing brand with in the playstation eco system:

Rocket League: Nintendo is getting special Nintendo branded cars or hats for their cars which essentially promotes their brand.

Minecraft requires a Live account

While I see no resistance from Sony when SE was offering crossplay with FFXIV. So as long as it's being neutral and no brand is being promoted by the game or in the game - I think Sony would be fine with crossplay.

Note: I do agree Sony should do crossplay

While I understand they have their brand to push they are making a big miscalculation with this strategy. It was their open approach to online services last gen that won Valve over. As time goes on both Developers and Publishers are going to be pushing for cross play.

If Microsoft catch Sony companies can intentionally sabotage PS4 releases or maybe even choose to skip the platform altogether.

It is a double edged sword of "you need us as much as we need you" but it will only happen IF Microsoft catch them.

I think Sony will cave eventually. It is just a matter of when.

No, that's just your wishful thinking. Fact is Sony is completely open to crossplay with PC. And as long as they have the bigger playerbase publishers will side with Sony and Xbox will be the one missing out on games. 

Crossplay is a nice dream but it's not gonna happen, the company that has the lead won't want to do it, it really puts a hole in the people buying a console to play with their friends angle. That was the biggest reason for 360's success, it came out a year early and it created a trend of people buying it to play with their friends especially since online gaming was taking off at that time. Sony wanted crossplay then because it would have benefited them, just like MS wants it now because it would benefit them.

The problem with your logic is that Microsoft IS catching up to Sony. They have sold at least half of what Sony have and companies have said software sales are increasing on X1.

So no Sony pony. It isn't wishful thinking.
Billo 1 day ago#50
quickposter posted...
Billo posted...
quickposter posted...
ejay8320 posted...
quickposter posted...
People are flaming Sony for the cross play. It is only fanboys defending that. We know it contradicts their phrase that PS4 is for the players and the best place to play.


I personally think the only reason Sony is passing on the crossplay on those two games are the promotion of opposing brand with in the playstation eco system:

Rocket League: Nintendo is getting special Nintendo branded cars or hats for their cars which essentially promotes their brand.

Minecraft requires a Live account

While I see no resistance from Sony when SE was offering crossplay with FFXIV. So as long as it's being neutral and no brand is being promoted by the game or in the game - I think Sony would be fine with crossplay.

Note: I do agree Sony should do crossplay

While I understand they have their brand to push they are making a big miscalculation with this strategy. It was their open approach to online services last gen that won Valve over. As time goes on both Developers and Publishers are going to be pushing for cross play.

If Microsoft catch Sony companies can intentionally sabotage PS4 releases or maybe even choose to skip the platform altogether.

It is a double edged sword of "you need us as much as we need you" but it will only happen IF Microsoft catch them.

I think Sony will cave eventually. It is just a matter of when.

No, that's just your wishful thinking. Fact is Sony is completely open to crossplay with PC. And as long as they have the bigger playerbase publishers will side with Sony and Xbox will be the one missing out on games. 

Crossplay is a nice dream but it's not gonna happen, the company that has the lead won't want to do it, it really puts a hole in the people buying a console to play with their friends angle. That was the biggest reason for 360's success, it came out a year early and it created a trend of people buying it to play with their friends especially since online gaming was taking off at that time. Sony wanted crossplay then because it would have benefited them, just like MS wants it now because it would benefit them.

The problem with your logic is that Microsoft IS catching up to Sony. They have sold at least half of what Sony have and companies have said software sales are increasing on X1.

So no Sony pony. It isn't wishful thinking.

Catching up? You've gotta be kidding me.lol
The gap is getting bigger by the day, it used to be 2:1 worldwide, but according to Shawn Lauren this year it's been 2:1 in US, over 3:1 in Europe, like 500:1 in Japan. VGC is showing 5:1 worldwide, There are like 4 PS4 SKUs in US Amazon top 100, and not a single XB1.
Tekken 7 sold almost 5 times as much on PS4 as it did on XB1.

The gap is increasing not decreasing, MS would actually have to outsell the PS4 to catch up and that has not happened for a single day this entire generation, and it's not going to either. If you think XB1X is going to help close this gap then you're in for a rude awakening.
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    NSGraphite 1 day ago#51
    DeadCellScorpio posted...





    He might be onto something here. He makes good points on how "gamers" are siding with $ony's anti consumer practices lately instead of wanting and asking for change. He also makes a good point and I laughed at it pretty loudly due to how true it is that IGN and Gamespot are salty that they didn't get first crack at the Xbox One X instead of Digital Foundry. 



    Everything he said reflects the gamers here on this board and on every social media site.


    Ponies be like:

    My last signature got erased, so I put this here instead.
    pobbes 1 day ago#52
    quickposter posted...

    The problem with your logic is that Microsoft IS catching up to Sony.


    How is MS catching up to Sony? 

    People need to stop playing the us vs the media card because it's simply not true. Lots of gaming sites give Sony s*** for not wanting to do cross play with MS.

    MS deserved all the s*** they got during 2013, and it's no ones fault but their own.
    NSGraphite 1 day ago#53
    pobbes posted...
    quickposter posted...

    The problem with your logic is that Microsoft IS catching up to Sony.


    How is MS catching up to Sony? 

    People need to stop playing the us vs the media card because it's simply not true. Lots of gaming sites give Sony s*** for not wanting to do cross play with MS.

    MS deserved all the s*** they got during 2013, and it's no ones fault but their own.

    They arent catching up. They would have to outsell the PS4 in both the US and the UK by a significant margin to make up for how much more the PS4 sells in the rest of the world, and it never outsells it by any significant margin or indeed very often at all. Maybe 4 months out of any given year if its lucky. The gap is nothing but widening. Only someone delusional or horribly misinformed would think the gap is closing at all.
    My last signature got erased, so I put this here instead.
    Billo posted...
    Catching up? You've gotta be kidding me.lol
    The gap is getting bigger by the day, it used to be 2:1 worldwide, but according to Shawn Lauren this year it's been 2:1 in US, over 3:1 in Europe, like 500:1 in Japan. VGC is showing 5:1 worldwide, There are like 4 PS4 SKUs in US Amazon top 100, and not a single XB1.
    Tekken 7 sold almost 5 times as much on PS4 as it did on XB1.

    The gap is increasing not decreasing, MS would actually have to outsell the PS4 to catch up and that has not happened for a single day this entire generation, and it's not going to either. If you think XB1X is going to help close this gap then you're in for a rude awakening.

    I don't think it will because it is too expensive (I currently can't afford one). But you are blind if you think nothing is happening. The UK has been on the bus for a while because of the S.

    The only place that they don't have a prayer to catch Sony is Japan but elsewhere is pretty doable.

    You ponies love your daddy but get your heads out of the clouds. Sony will NEVER have their PS2 dominance again. The backward compatibility and cross play embracing is starting to turn MS' fortunes around. All they need is more exclusives on the shelves and Sony will only be one third ahead.
    Mr_Killstreak posted...
    Why not just enjoy whatever you game on and quit worrying about other people.


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    pobbes 1 day ago#56
    quickposter posted...
    I don't think it will because it is too expensive (I currently can't afford one). But you are blind if you think nothing is happening. The UK has been on the bus for a while because of the S.


    eh. In the UK, the xbone is getting outsold worse than the US. It has been able to outsell the PS4 in 3 out of 12 months last year (maybe 4, i forget) so it has a chance there.

    quickposter posted...
    Sony will NEVER have their PS2 dominance again.


    True. This gen is a close second I guess. But like others said, Sony seems to be resting on their laurels when they can do so much better.
    Billo 1 day ago#57
    quickposter posted...
    Billo posted...
    Catching up? You've gotta be kidding me.lol
    The gap is getting bigger by the day, it used to be 2:1 worldwide, but according to Shawn Lauren this year it's been 2:1 in US, over 3:1 in Europe, like 500:1 in Japan. VGC is showing 5:1 worldwide, There are like 4 PS4 SKUs in US Amazon top 100, and not a single XB1.
    Tekken 7 sold almost 5 times as much on PS4 as it did on XB1.

    The gap is increasing not decreasing, MS would actually have to outsell the PS4 to catch up and that has not happened for a single day this entire generation, and it's not going to either. If you think XB1X is going to help close this gap then you're in for a rude awakening.

    I don't think it will because it is too expensive (I currently can't afford one). But you are blind if you think nothing is happening. The UK has been on the bus for a while because of the S.

    The only place that they don't have a prayer to catch Sony is Japan but elsewhere is pretty doable.

    You ponies love your daddy but get your heads out of the clouds. Sony will NEVER have their PS2 dominance again. The backward compatibility and cross play embracing is starting to turn MS' fortunes around. All they need is more exclusives on the shelves and Sony will only be one third ahead.

    I didn't say nothing is happening, something is clearly happening but it's the opposite of what you're suggesting. XB1 sales are declining and PS4 sales are increasing. The gap is getting wider for both hardware and software.

    Last year from Jan-May PS4 sold about 5 million units, this year it sold over 7 million. I guess all those exclusives that don't matter really did the trick, since the big 3rd party titles this year like Mass Effect, For Honor, Prey, etc. kinda fell flat. PS4 was competing quite well last year in the US, and U.K. But this year it's been losing 2:1 even in those markets.

    Your delusions are on a ridiculous high, get them in check. XB1 will be lucky to get past 40-42 million lifetime, and PS4 will easily get to 120-125 million if not more. Not quite PS2 levels of domination but in the same realm.
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    Casual gamers flocked to the Wii and it sold tons. Both Sony and Microsoft caught up real late.
    This gen it's just been Sony on top the entire time.
    That's because Microsoft and Nintendo made mistakes with thier consoles.
    Wii U is dead, now they have the switch which is just another gimmicky device like the Wii.
    Microsoft made mistakes early on, but they have pushed forward and admitted thier mistakes.
    I honestly think the Nintendo Switch won't beat the Xbox One in sales.
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    Buddha1187 1 day ago#59
    SRV_God posted...
    Remember the Xbox One initial reveal? Most people haven't forgiven them


    I'm one of those people. Had a 360 And PS3, was going to buy both new ones. Then e3 happened. Bought a PS4 And built a PC instead. Haven't looked back.
    \_(ツ)_/
    jairusmonillas 22 hours ago#60
    AgentLocke posted...
    DeadCellScorpio posted...
    jairusmonillas posted...
    Killing Xbox? You mean Xbox is still alive? Not even a PS4 Pro wanna be and also 1 year late is going to turn it around. lol.



    This is the perfect example of the toxic gamer ^ that the person in the video was talking about LOL

    Thank you for proving his point.



    Hah seriously. A parody of himself. Best part is, when something is the better product, it's not a wannabe

    jairusmonillas posted...
    Deal with it.


    Aww little Sony warrior is adorable!!!


    Name calling is the best you can say? lol. 
    So childish.

    PS4 60m. Xbox One too shy to reveal not even close to 30m. Fact.
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    helly 22 hours ago#61
    Billo posted...
    . Fact is Sony is completely open to crossplay with PC.

    no. 

    they have ONE game that is pc crossplay, and have denied every single offer for something else to be crossplay. 

    they are absolutely not open to it.
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    Billo 22 hours ago#62
    helly posted...
    Billo posted...
    . Fact is Sony is completely open to crossplay with PC.

    no. 

    they have ONE game that is pc crossplay, and have denied every single offer for something else to be crossplay. 

    they are absolutely not open to it.

    Check again...
    Street Fighter V
    FFXIV
    Rocket League
    Paragon
    Werewolves Within
    D.C. Universe online
    War Thunder
    Phantasy Star Online 2
    Dragon's Dogma Online
    Boundless
    Helldivers

    There's more but yeah, they're definitely open to to it, have been way before MS was.
    Marshall_Law 21 hours ago#63
    Everyone seems to forget the Xbox brand is barely over 15 years old where PS is almost 25 and the big N is staring at 35. I mean hell I remember when you choice was Either Nintendo or Sega.... Pick ONE. 

    When Microsoft first hit the market it was kinda considered a joke to me and my friends, I remember being like, 15 and laughing with all the members on THIS very site because we would troll Microsoft tech chat about the system Killin our pets and crap. 

    Microsoft has Always been vilified by people for any and everything, it's a worldwide company that pretty much Is the PC market. I guarantee if the Xbox didn't have the words Microsoft on it, it would be much more successful overall
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    TheGam3925 21 hours ago#64
    Billo posted...
    helly posted...
    Billo posted...
    . Fact is Sony is completely open to crossplay with PC.

    no. 

    they have ONE game that is pc crossplay, and have denied every single offer for something else to be crossplay. 

    they are absolutely not open to it.

    Check again...
    Street Fighter V
    FFXIV
    Rocket League
    Paragon
    Werewolves Within
    D.C. Universe online
    War Thunder
    Phantasy Star Online 2
    Dragon's Dogma Online
    Boundless
    Helldivers

    There's more but yeah, they're definitely open to to it, have been way before MS was.

    Xbone fanboy REKT.

    LOLOL!!!!
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    kyncani 20 hours ago#65
    Marshall_Law posted...
    I guarantee if the Xbox didn't have the words Microsoft on it, it would be much more successful overall

    Xbox 360 was successful and it does have Microsoft name on it.

    What makes you think a game console without Microsoft name would have sold a lot more ? Wii and PS4 have sold more, PS3 about the same and Wii U less.

    I think gamers just buy whatever is the best game console.
    (edited 20 hours ago)reportquote
    EcchiSaberUnit 20 hours ago#66
    Microsoft can only blame themselves for failing so hard. at least Nintendo is doing something right.

    SONY gives studios like Guerilla and Naughy Dog "Creative Freedom" to do what ever the f**k they want.

    they invested Millions on a new IP by a then one-trick game Studio Guerilla Games.

    and it payed off BIG TIME.

    Microsoft?

    Scew Console Exclusives.

    we need more exclusives so lets upgrade our hardware because why not.

    Lets make our racing game an annual release and make more spin-off halo games. oh and cancel our new IP Scalebound while your at it.
    AgentLocke 19 hours ago#67
    jairusmonillas posted...
    AgentLocke posted...
    DeadCellScorpio posted...
    jairusmonillas posted...
    Killing Xbox? You mean Xbox is still alive? Not even a PS4 Pro wanna be and also 1 year late is going to turn it around. lol.



    This is the perfect example of the toxic gamer ^ that the person in the video was talking about LOL

    Thank you for proving his point.



    Hah seriously. A parody of himself. Best part is, when something is the better product, it's not a wannabe

    jairusmonillas posted...
    Deal with it.


    Aww little Sony warrior is adorable!!!


    Name calling is the best you can say? lol. 
    So childish.

    PS4 60m. Xbox One too shy to reveal not even close to 30m. Fact.


    Talks about childish and then brags about sales numbers for a product he didn't create. Yep.

    Talks about childish and then come to the Xbox One board just to talk s*** and praise a plastic box. Hah, I love it. Please continue.
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    quickposter 19 hours ago#68
    Billo posted...
    quickposter posted...
    Billo posted...
    Catching up? You've gotta be kidding me.lol
    The gap is getting bigger by the day, it used to be 2:1 worldwide, but according to Shawn Lauren this year it's been 2:1 in US, over 3:1 in Europe, like 500:1 in Japan. VGC is showing 5:1 worldwide, There are like 4 PS4 SKUs in US Amazon top 100, and not a single XB1.
    Tekken 7 sold almost 5 times as much on PS4 as it did on XB1.

    The gap is increasing not decreasing, MS would actually have to outsell the PS4 to catch up and that has not happened for a single day this entire generation, and it's not going to either. If you think XB1X is going to help close this gap then you're in for a rude awakening.

    I don't think it will because it is too expensive (I currently can't afford one). But you are blind if you think nothing is happening. The UK has been on the bus for a while because of the S.

    The only place that they don't have a prayer to catch Sony is Japan but elsewhere is pretty doable.

    You ponies love your daddy but get your heads out of the clouds. Sony will NEVER have their PS2 dominance again. The backward compatibility and cross play embracing is starting to turn MS' fortunes around. All they need is more exclusives on the shelves and Sony will only be one third ahead.

    I didn't say nothing is happening, something is clearly happening but it's the opposite of what you're suggesting. XB1 sales are declining and PS4 sales are increasing. The gap is getting wider for both hardware and software.

    Last year from Jan-May PS4 sold about 5 million units, this year it sold over 7 million. I guess all those exclusives that don't matter really did the trick, since the big 3rd party titles this year like Mass Effect, For Honor, Prey, etc. kinda fell flat. PS4 was competing quite well last year in the US, and U.K. But this year it's been losing 2:1 even in those markets.

    Your delusions are on a ridiculous high, get them in check. XB1 will be lucky to get past 40-42 million lifetime, and PS4 will easily get to 120-125 million if not more. Not quite PS2 levels of domination but in the same realm.

    You are out of your mind if you think this. The market has changed for everybody. PC gaming is a lot bigger than it was back then and with Sony taking the PC approach people will lose faith in them and flock to PC instead anyway.
    pobbes 18 hours ago#69
    quickposter posted...
    You are out of your mind if you think this. The market has changed for everybody. PC gaming is a lot bigger than it was back then and with Sony taking the PC approach people will lose faith in them and flock to PC instead anyway.


    Uh MS is like this and people aren't flocking to PC instead.
    Billo 18 hours ago#70
    quickposter posted...
    Billo posted...
    quickposter posted...
    Billo posted...
    Catching up? You've gotta be kidding me.lol
    The gap is getting bigger by the day, it used to be 2:1 worldwide, but according to Shawn Lauren this year it's been 2:1 in US, over 3:1 in Europe, like 500:1 in Japan. VGC is showing 5:1 worldwide, There are like 4 PS4 SKUs in US Amazon top 100, and not a single XB1.
    Tekken 7 sold almost 5 times as much on PS4 as it did on XB1.

    The gap is increasing not decreasing, MS would actually have to outsell the PS4 to catch up and that has not happened for a single day this entire generation, and it's not going to either. If you think XB1X is going to help close this gap then you're in for a rude awakening.

    I don't think it will because it is too expensive (I currently can't afford one). But you are blind if you think nothing is happening. The UK has been on the bus for a while because of the S.

    The only place that they don't have a prayer to catch Sony is Japan but elsewhere is pretty doable.

    You ponies love your daddy but get your heads out of the clouds. Sony will NEVER have their PS2 dominance again. The backward compatibility and cross play embracing is starting to turn MS' fortunes around. All they need is more exclusives on the shelves and Sony will only be one third ahead.

    I didn't say nothing is happening, something is clearly happening but it's the opposite of what you're suggesting. XB1 sales are declining and PS4 sales are increasing. The gap is getting wider for both hardware and software.

    Last year from Jan-May PS4 sold about 5 million units, this year it sold over 7 million. I guess all those exclusives that don't matter really did the trick, since the big 3rd party titles this year like Mass Effect, For Honor, Prey, etc. kinda fell flat. PS4 was competing quite well last year in the US, and U.K. But this year it's been losing 2:1 even in those markets.

    Your delusions are on a ridiculous high, get them in check. XB1 will be lucky to get past 40-42 million lifetime, and PS4 will easily get to 120-125 million if not more. Not quite PS2 levels of domination but in the same realm.

    You are out of your mind if you think this. The market has changed for everybody. PC gaming is a lot bigger than it was back then and with Sony taking the PC approach people will lose faith in them and flock to PC instead anyway.

    Only one out of their mind here is you buddy. PS4 is on track to sell 20+ million this year. And it's peak year will be 2018, God of War, Days Gone, Detroit Become Human, Spider-Man are really going to push sales next year. Spider-Man and Red Dead Redemption 2 especially will sell PS4s to people who normally wouldn't even care about a PlayStation.

    PS4 sales will be around 75 million by the end of this year. Well over 95 million by the end of 2018. Another 25 million should come easy in the following years what with huge games like Last of Us 2, Death Stranding, FFVII Remake, Kingdom Hearts, etc. still to come.

    Another huge factor should be price, Sony has been dropping the price $50 every year, it will be $200 this holiday. PS3 never dropped this low even after PS4 was released because it was too expensive to manufacture.
    PS4 on the other hand will be able to go as low as under $100 by Holiday 2019. That was the reason PS2 was able to sell so much after PS3 was released, PS2 sold over 50 million units after its generation was over because it was selling for under a 100 bucks.
    127001 17 hours ago#71
    DeadCellScorpio posted...
    He makes good points on how "gamers" are siding with $ony's anti consumer practices lately instead of wanting and asking for change.

    This is too true, and not only that, the community is riddled with toxic players more concerned about brands, than actual strides forward in gaming. At least on Gfaqs.

    Point out ...
    > that there is a desire and market for EA Access, and similar services (think Xbox Game Pass), on PS4.
    > that PS+ is just a paywall for online multiplayer, that rakes in $1.5 billion a year, which doesn't really benefit gamers, devs or publishers.
    > there's a desire for cross-play between consoles (as a standard).
    > Sony's QA is lacking in regards to system updates (2 buggy ones this year alone)
    > all the underhanded s*** done by Sony over the years (they're no better than anyone else)

    ... Do any of those, back up with any amount of sources and data, and they'll go into overdrive in personal attacks and troll-labelling.

    Don't even think about talking about the competiton in positive tones, or ask about consumer friendly practices, like refunds on digital games (like Steam and Xbox).

    The more toxic "players" on PS4 will attack you, before even looking properly over the points you make. It doesn't matter how much research you do, or how many sources you provide. They don't understand the concept of difference of opinion, and they will move goalposts for days in defense of a corporation.
    I had one claming EA Access was "anti-consumer", and that it was good Sony didn't want to give the players more choices. Think about that one for a minute. I wish I was making this up.

    These people throw hissy-fits when exclusives become available on other platforms, just see the PS4 games on PS Now feature for some recent examples, or when exclsuives get less than stellar reviews, which in their little world is 8.5. They don't care about gaming, only about brands and somehow think that exclusives going multiplatform is bad, it's tunnel vision for gamers.

    These people are what's holding gaming back in so many areas, by allowing Sony to get away with s***, they'd scold MS for to no end. The community is so bad, that I've completely dropped using a mic in online.
    They're acting like cult members. If Sony releases a system update that fries every single PS4 HDD out there, they'd call it a clean-up service and thank Sony for only charging $20 to get a replacement shipped out.

    I'm all about mulitplayer gaming, and the convenience of consoles, so for now I'll have to bite the bullet an pay for online play (regardless of platform), and I will stay with the larger playerbase.
    If cross play (as a standard) takes off in a big way, and Sony insists on not jumoing on board, then I'm switching again (I went from XBO to PS4), and I might just try a Nintendo console, because XBO + SWI + PC combined is much larger playerbase, than PS4 will ever be.

    I wish all the best for Xbox, Switch and whatever Atari is getting ready to announce. Competition is good

    To be fair there are a few nice PS4 owners here (I'd like to think I am one of them), but the sheer amount of brand warriors drown them out.
    lunaticcore 17 hours ago#72
    Console warrior fanboys obstruct the progress of competition. 

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    Marshall_Law posted...
    Everyone seems to forget the Xbox brand is barely over 15 years old where PS is almost 25 and the big N is staring at 35. I mean hell I remember when you choice was Either Nintendo or Sega.... Pick ONE. 

    When Microsoft first hit the market it was kinda considered a joke to me and my friends, I remember being like, 15 and laughing with all the members on THIS very site because we would troll Microsoft tech chat about the system Killin our pets and crap. 

    Microsoft has Always been vilified by people for any and everything


    I can't say I did the same thing, but I remember back in the day when Xbox came to be that I thought it would be a one and done thing, and I admit shamefully, I did have a moment of feeling "what is this impeding on my PlayStation?"... but I was a child back then, practically reliant on PlayStation gaming for many years. 

    Thankfully I very hastily grew up, getting an Xbox and Gamecube to compliment my PlayStation 2, and again learned to appreciate more than just PlayStation. 

    When I see others acting today how I used to when I was much younger, I become grateful for how fortunate I was, especially for maturing. And it's a shame we see people my age, or even older, not only still acting like how I did almost 20 years ago, but taking it to a whole new level.
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    Big_Bawss 16 hours ago#74
    My only takeaway from this thread is DeadCellScorpio admitting that Sony is killing Xbox. Microsoft are going to revoke your #1 fanboy status if you aren't careful.
    pblimp360 16 hours ago#75
    127001 posted...
    DeadCellScorpio posted...
    He makes good points on how "gamers" are siding with $ony's anti consumer practices lately instead of wanting and asking for change.

    This is too true, and not only that, the community is riddled with toxic players more concerned about brands, than actual strides forward in gaming. At least on Gfaqs.

    Point out ...
    > that there is a desire and market for EA Access, and similar services (think Xbox Game Pass), on PS4.
    > that PS+ is just a paywall for online multiplayer, that rakes in $1.5 billion a year, which doesn't really benefit gamers, devs or publishers.
    > there's a desire for cross-play between consoles (as a standard).
    > Sony's QA is lacking in regards to system updates (2 buggy ones this year alone)
    > all the underhanded s*** done by Sony over the years (they're no better than anyone else)

    ... Do any of those, back up with any amount of sources and data, and they'll go into overdrive in personal attacks and troll-labelling.

    Don't even think about talking about the competiton in positive tones, or ask about consumer friendly practices, like refunds on digital games (like Steam and Xbox).

    The more toxic "players" on PS4 will attack you, before even looking properly over the points you make. It doesn't matter how much research you do, or how many sources you provide. They don't understand the concept of difference of opinion, and they will move goalposts for days in defense of a corporation.
    I had one claming EA Access was "anti-consumer", and that it was good Sony didn't want to give the players more choices. Think about that one for a minute. I wish I was making this up.

    These people throw hissy-fits when exclusives become available on other platforms, just see the PS4 games on PS Now feature for some recent examples, or when exclsuives get less than stellar reviews, which in their little world is 8.5. They don't care about gaming, only about brands and somehow think that exclusives going multiplatform is bad, it's tunnel vision for gamers.

    These people are what's holding gaming back in so many areas, by allowing Sony to get away with s***, they'd scold MS for to no end. The community is so bad, that I've completely dropped using a mic in online.
    They're acting like cult members. If Sony releases a system update that fries every single PS4 HDD out there, they'd call it a clean-up service and thank Sony for only charging $20 to get a replacement shipped out.

    I'm all about mulitplayer gaming, and the convenience of consoles, so for now I'll have to bite the bullet an pay for online play (regardless of platform), and I will stay with the larger playerbase.
    If cross play (as a standard) takes off in a big way, and Sony insists on not jumoing on board, then I'm switching again (I went from XBO to PS4), and I might just try a Nintendo console, because XBO + SWI + PC combined is much larger playerbase, than PS4 will ever be.

    I wish all the best for Xbox, Switch and whatever Atari is getting ready to announce. Competition is good

    To be fair there are a few nice PS4 owners here (I'd like to think I am one of them), but the sheer amount of brand warriors drown them out.



    Excellent post.
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    RedJacket200 16 hours ago#76
    DeadCellScorpio posted...





    He might be onto something here. He makes good points on how "gamers" are siding with $ony's anti consumer practices lately instead of wanting and asking for change. He also makes a good point and I laughed at it pretty loudly due to how true it is that IGN and Gamespot are salty that they didn't get first crack at the Xbox One X instead of Digital Foundry. 



    Everything he said reflects the gamers here on this board and on every social media site.

    Your obsession is unhealthy.
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    Crysiania 16 hours ago#77
    Its funny because the whole reason ps4 was initially much more successful than xbox one was because of MS's anti consumer practices.

    Lol that video creator needs to get a life, who has time for s*** like that.

    Nothing worse than console fanboys making youtube vids to hate on the "opposition".
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    NSGraphite 15 hours ago#78
    TheGam3925 posted...
    Billo posted...
    helly posted...
    Billo posted...
    . Fact is Sony is completely open to crossplay with PC.

    no. 

    they have ONE game that is pc crossplay, and have denied every single offer for something else to be crossplay. 

    they are absolutely not open to it.

    Check again...
    Street Fighter V
    FFXIV
    Rocket League
    Paragon
    Werewolves Within
    D.C. Universe online
    War Thunder
    Phantasy Star Online 2
    Dragon's Dogma Online
    Boundless
    Helldivers

    There's more but yeah, they're definitely open to to it, have been way before MS was.

    Xbone fanboy REKT.

    LOLOL!!!!


    No kidding.

    We have been telling these guys for a while now Sony has no issue with xplay. They have been doijg it since the PS3 era. MS and Nintendo are late to the party.

    Only now that MS cant dictate to gamers and developers is MS willing to enter Xplay and even then they are still insisting on dictating the terms. If I was Sony I would do the same thing and just work out Xplay with Ninty and PC until MS stopped being such prima donnas about it.
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    NSGraphite 15 hours ago#79
    Buddha1187 posted...
    SRV_God posted...
    Remember the Xbox One initial reveal? Most people haven't forgiven them


    I'm one of those people. Had a 360 And PS3, was going to buy both new ones. Then e3 happened. Bought a PS4 And built a PC instead. Haven't looked back.


    Why would you? You can easily play all of the relevant games on the xbox ecosystem with a capable PC. Its the smart way to go.
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    127001 15 hours ago#80
    Crysiania posted...
    Its funny because the whole reason ps4 was initially much more successful than xbox one was because of MS's anti consumer practices.

    Lol that video creator needs to get a life, who has time for s*** like that.

    Nothing worse than console fanboys making youtube vids to hate on the "opposition".

    I wouldn't call it hating. It might be a bit binary, but there are some valid points in there.

    Think of b/c. It's a catch 22 for MS.
    First it was wall-to-wall complaints over no b/c on XBO (take a look at the history on this site alone). now it's: "1% uses it, waste of ressources", but if MS discontinued the service, the same people would complain as well.

    The same happened with Kinect. First it was a bad tool used to spy on end-users, then when MS listened to gamers and dropped it as standard, the same people started complaingin about 180s (I wonder how many complainers got an Amazon Echo or a Google Home).

    Goalposts are constantly being moved.
    Billo 15 hours ago#81
    127001 posted...
    Crysiania posted...
    Its funny because the whole reason ps4 was initially much more successful than xbox one was because of MS's anti consumer practices.

    Lol that video creator needs to get a life, who has time for s*** like that.

    Nothing worse than console fanboys making youtube vids to hate on the "opposition".

    I wouldn't call it hating. It might be a bit binary, but there are some valid points in there.

    Think of b/c. It's a catch 22 for MS.
    First it was wall-to-wall complaints over no b/c on XBO (take a look at the history on this site alone). now it's: "1% uses it, waste of ressources", but if MS discontinued the service, the same people would complain as well.

    The same happened with Kinect. First it was a bad tool used to spy on end-users, then when MS listened to gamers and dropped it as standard, the same people started complaingin about 180s (I wonder how many complainers got an Amazon Echo or a Google Home).

    Goalposts are constantly being moved.

    And you're seriously more concerned with some random people on the internet moving goalposts so they can bash MS than with MS constantly flip flopping on policies. Policies like "XB1 is kinect" which had millions of people paying $100 for a paperweight. 

    Of course they're going to get s*** for that, fact is they've been handing trolls boxes of ammo on a monthly basis, and you fanboys are surprised that trolls are using the ammo rather than telling MS to stop handing it out in the first place.
    Big_Bawss 14 hours ago#82
    127001 posted...
    Crysiania posted...
    Its funny because the whole reason ps4 was initially much more successful than xbox one was because of MS's anti consumer practices.

    Lol that video creator needs to get a life, who has time for s*** like that.

    Nothing worse than console fanboys making youtube vids to hate on the "opposition".

    I wouldn't call it hating. It might be a bit binary, but there are some valid points in there.

    Think of b/c. It's a catch 22 for MS.
    First it was wall-to-wall complaints over no b/c on XBO (take a look at the history on this site alone). now it's: "1% uses it, waste of ressources", but if MS discontinued the service, the same people would complain as well.

    The same happened with Kinect. First it was a bad tool used to spy on end-users, then when MS listened to gamers and dropped it as standard, the same people started complaingin about 180s (I wonder how many complainers got an Amazon Echo or a Google Home).

    Goalposts are constantly being moved.

    That's only really true if you look at these users as one homogeneous mass. If one person says backwards compatibility should be a thing and then someone else says it is a waste of resources, that isn't moving goal posts that's just a difference of opinion. And that is generally the case. If someone actually does flip-flop at a whim to the degree you're describing then odds are they're a troll. And I'm not just being flippant in calling them that. If a person genuinely holds an opinion, then they won't do a 180 like that without some serious convincing.

    But ultimately it is up to Microsoft to decide which suggestions/criticisms are worth listening too. I'd say they made the right decision with Kinect and backwards compatibility, but that's just my opinion. Same goes for all of the s*** they reversed after the Xbox One's reveal.
    wildstrike1516 14 hours ago#83
    Billo posted...
    127001 posted...
    Crysiania posted...
    Its funny because the whole reason ps4 was initially much more successful than xbox one was because of MS's anti consumer practices.

    Lol that video creator needs to get a life, who has time for s*** like that.

    Nothing worse than console fanboys making youtube vids to hate on the "opposition".

    I wouldn't call it hating. It might be a bit binary, but there are some valid points in there.

    Think of b/c. It's a catch 22 for MS.
    First it was wall-to-wall complaints over no b/c on XBO (take a look at the history on this site alone). now it's: "1% uses it, waste of ressources", but if MS discontinued the service, the same people would complain as well.

    The same happened with Kinect. First it was a bad tool used to spy on end-users, then when MS listened to gamers and dropped it as standard, the same people started complaingin about 180s (I wonder how many complainers got an Amazon Echo or a Google Home).

    Goalposts are constantly being moved.

    And you're seriously more concerned with some random people on the internet moving goalposts so they can bash MS than with MS constantly flip flopping on policies. Policies like "XB1 is kinect" which had millions of people paying $100 for a paperweight. 

    Of course they're going to get s*** for that, fact is they've been handing trolls boxes of ammo on a monthly basis, and you fanboys are surprised that trolls are using the ammo rather than telling MS to stop handing it out in the first place.


    Yeah the $100 paperweight was a huge blunder but quickly corrected. However I think most of the games media is just lazy and throws out uneducated statements about the xbox .

    My biggest complaint is mainly when you know people don't play their xbox system at all then casually jump on to try something out and then complain because they couldn't find where something in the IU and act like its just piss poor design by MS. I had a PS4 and Xbox one for a while and really didn't like the Sony IU at all and it felt sluggish to me. Yet the narritive I have heard on podcasts like Giant Bomb is how sluggish Xbox IU is and behind. I feel like they don't even use it. Just making statements based off their impressions from 3 years ago. Also, if you only use your console every 6 months because you are always on a super PC then of course you won't remember anything.

    Also it has always bothered me how Sony promised so much and failed to deliver and got a pass on this. For example, Sony just got the functionality to use hard drives externally last year. It took at least two years to get sleep mode into PS4. It can't work as a media server. These are all things I loved about the Xbox early and they simply got ignored. Then when Sony adds them people act like is just a huge game changer.
    NSGraphite 14 hours ago#84
    wildstrike1516 posted...
    Billo posted...
    127001 posted...
    Crysiania posted...
    Its funny because the whole reason ps4 was initially much more successful than xbox one was because of MS's anti consumer practices.

    Lol that video creator needs to get a life, who has time for s*** like that.

    Nothing worse than console fanboys making youtube vids to hate on the "opposition".

    I wouldn't call it hating. It might be a bit binary, but there are some valid points in there.

    Think of b/c. It's a catch 22 for MS.
    First it was wall-to-wall complaints over no b/c on XBO (take a look at the history on this site alone). now it's: "1% uses it, waste of ressources", but if MS discontinued the service, the same people would complain as well.

    The same happened with Kinect. First it was a bad tool used to spy on end-users, then when MS listened to gamers and dropped it as standard, the same people started complaingin about 180s (I wonder how many complainers got an Amazon Echo or a Google Home).

    Goalposts are constantly being moved.

    And you're seriously more concerned with some random people on the internet moving goalposts so they can bash MS than with MS constantly flip flopping on policies. Policies like "XB1 is kinect" which had millions of people paying $100 for a paperweight. 

    Of course they're going to get s*** for that, fact is they've been handing trolls boxes of ammo on a monthly basis, and you fanboys are surprised that trolls are using the ammo rather than telling MS to stop handing it out in the first place.


    Yeah the $100 paperweight was a huge blunder but quickly corrected. However I think most of the games media is just lazy and throws out uneducated statements about the xbox .

    My biggest complaint is mainly when you know people don't play their xbox system at all then casually jump on to try something out and then complain because they couldn't find where something in the IU and act like its just piss poor design by MS. I had a PS4 and Xbox one for a while and really didn't like the Sony IU at all and it felt sluggish to me. Yet the narritive I have heard on podcasts like Giant Bomb is how sluggish Xbox IU is and behind. I feel like they don't even use it. Just making statements based off their impressions from 3 years ago. Also, if you only use your console every 6 months because you are always on a super PC then of course you won't remember anything.

    Also it has always bothered me how Sony promised so much and failed to deliver and got a pass on this. For example, Sony just got the functionality to use hard drives externally last year. It took at least two years to get sleep mode into PS4. It can't work as a media server. These are all things I loved about the Xbox early and they simply got ignored. Then when Sony adds them people act like is just a huge game changer.


    Ummm.....I have had a PS4 since 6 months after the 2013 launch and I have been usin sleep mode the entire time.
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    ejay8320 14 hours ago#85
    wildstrike1516 posted...
    It took at least two years to get sleep mode into PS4.


    ???

    http://www.ign.com/boards/threads/turn-ps4-off-or-sleep-mode.453521649/

    Why were people talking about when to use sleep mode in Nov 2013?

    or are you refering to game suspend mode?
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    wildstrike1516 13 hours ago#86
    ejay8320 posted...
    wildstrike1516 posted...
    It took at least two years to get sleep mode into PS4.


    ???

    http://www.ign.com/boards/threads/turn-ps4-off-or-sleep-mode.453521649/

    Why were people talking about when to use sleep mode in Nov 2013?

    or are you refering to game suspend mode?


    Thanks for the clarification, suspend mode.
    127001 13 hours ago#87
    Billo posted...
    And you're seriously more concerned with some random people on the internet moving goalposts so they can bash MS
    Excellent strawman. Kudos.
    Now back to the topic about Sony getting a free pass, where MS catches flak, whcih brings us to this ...

    Billo posted...
    than with MS constantly flip flopping on policies. Policies like "XB1 is kinect" which had millions of people paying $100 for a paperweight.

    This is the catch 22 I was talking about.
    First every media outlet and forum blew up in hissyfits and raguing outbursts about PRISM and how MS was in bed with NSA, and wanted to spy on us all. they may have been, but that's besides the point, because as soon as MS listened to consumers and dropped the Kinect, it was ... Pretty much what you posted; outburst regarding flip-flops and 180s. Some people will never be satisfied.

    While I don't care one bit for Kinect, I did like the idea of online checks, as that opened up all sorts of possibilities for second digital markets, but because the fanpups decided it was a bad idea and threw a collective hissyfit, the gaming press picked up on it, and ran story after story about a non-issue.
    Not a single sane or logical argument speaking against the online checks were ever presented. That is one so-called "180" I dislike (now watch as the brand warriors go into overdrive (^^,) ).

    Now imagine Sony had presented the same system (as rumour said at the time). Would they have recieved a similar lashing? My money's on no.


    Billo posted...
    ... you fanboys are surprised ...

    Speaking of surprises: I own a PS4.
    In fact it's my one and only gaming platform, unless phonegames in the loo counts.

    I'm into consoles for gaming, not brands.
    ejay8320 10 hours ago#88
    127001 posted...
    Now imagine Sony had presented the same system (as rumour said at the time). Would they have recieved a similar lashing? My money's on no.


    I'll have to disagree here in Jan 2013 Sony patented a method to block used games and quite a few were worried it would appear on the PS4. The only reason the backlash wasn't as bad is it's quite well known that most patents aren't used and many squat on patents. Not only that but with in a month Sony clearly stated that they would not block used games there was no room for misinterpretation.

    Also if you think that Sony is immune to such backlash please refer to PS3 release and find 2nd job comment
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    BIV 9 hours ago#89
    Here is an idea, maybe if you're going to criticize IGN for being bias against Xbox you shouldn't include probably the biggest Xbox Fanboy on the planet as part of your video cover image.

    Xbox has earned criticism from the gaming media because they have earned it. You can't, for months, insult the competition because they have fake 4K gaming and then use the exact same process to upscale your own games. You can't announce that you have 27 exclusives to show at E3 and then have most of them be Indy games and almost all of them timed or launch exclusives.

    While I predicted the 500 price tag, that's going to be a hard sell when the pro could be as much as 200 dollars less when it launches.

    And Crackdown 3, MS' s tentpole game for this year, the game that releases the same day as the X, looks like exactly what it is; a game that has been stuck in development Hell for a decade. And don't give me the cell shaded excuse. Last gen Borderless games look better than what we've seen...and dear god that stale gameplay....

    If Microsoft wants to stop being criticized it needs to stop earning criticism
    I own both consoles. I don't care about your console wars idiocy.
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    Big_Bawss 8 hours ago#90
    127001 posted...
    While I don't care one bit for Kinect, I did like the idea of online checks, as that opened up all sorts of possibilities for second digital markets, but because the fanpups decided it was a bad idea and threw a collective hissyfit, the gaming press picked up on it, and ran story after story about a non-issue.
    Not a single sane or logical argument speaking against the online checks were ever presented. That is one so-called "180" I dislike (now watch as the brand warriors go into overdrive (^^,) ).

    Are you serious lol? Call me a fanpup but I doubt even the staunchest of Xbox fanboys would agree with that. The 24 hour online check would have prevented the playing of any games on the console had it failed. That was the plan.

    Not a likely scenario for us perhaps, but personally I haven't heard a single sane or logical argument as to why that would be worth the risk for the consumer. In fact I genuinely haven't heard any argument in favour of it, not even an insane or illogical one. It was universally lambasted as unnecessary anti-consumer bulls*** when it was announced. And for good reason as far as I can tell.
    AgentLocke 7 hours ago#91
    lunaticcore posted...
    Console warrior fanboys obstruct the progress of competition. 

    News at 11.


    Seriously.

    127001 posted...
    This is too true, and not only that, the community is riddled with toxic players more concerned about brands, than actual strides forward in gaming. At least on Gfaqs.


    And this guys post covered a good portion of this. Not that I don't place some fault on Xbox owners who act the same. 

    Billo posted...
    Are you seriously more concerned with some random people on the internet moving goalposts so they can bash MS than with MS constantly flip flopping on policies. Policies like "XB1 is kinect" which had millions of people paying $100 for a paperweight. 

    Of course they're going to get s*** for that, fact is they've been handing trolls boxes of ammo on a monthly basis, and you fanboys are surprised that trolls are using the ammo rather than telling MS to stop handing it out in the first place.


    See, I agree Billo, MS is giving you trolls (yes you are one) ammo left and right this gen but so has Sony. Funny enough I don't see as much hate there, everything they do is defended to the death. I actually said about 6-7 very anti-consumer things in a recent topic and one of you Sony fanboys defended every last point separately in the most shill way possible. It pretty much all came down to "eh, it didn't effect sales" because that's your lots favorite thing. 

    I mean Jesus dude you just asked someone what they are concerned about but what are you? Why do you care so much that you have all this data on sales numbers and s***? Do you research this stuff just to come here and brag? About something you had zero hand in the creation of? Ffs man. 

    Look, it's great that you love Sony, I have weird obsessions with a few things myself. But I don't go around shoving them in people's face all day when the people you're doing it to don't give a f***.

    A lot of us own a PS4 also, you know that right?

    You have proven the topic has merits by coming in here and praising the hell out of Sony. To you, they can do no wrong. They get let off the hook a hell of a lot easier than MS does. It's not a conspiracy, it's numbers. The people in the media grew up on Nintendo and Playstation, of course they are a little more forgiving of their faults. Same reason Nintendo gets so much love, while their products are great, the nostalgia with them is threw the roof. If I was an editor and I had a strong love of something I was talking about, it would without a doubt affect my writing somewhat.

    Am I defending MS? No, they need to get their s*** together and show a better first party lineup. Though I think atm they are the most consumer friendly by far, even if only because of being in second. Still, this years lineup of actual first party releases is laughable and only makes PS4s look that much better. I'll admit my Xbox has had little use this year.

    I'm just sick of you Sony obsessed kids coming in here bragging about your toys like we are in preschool. A lot of you are a f***ing joke. 

    Trust me, one more time, trust me Most of us know how great of a console the PS4 is. Most of us are aware they are killing it in sales and good games. That doesn't mean we can't enjoy the Xbox and look forward to its future. That doesn't mean we need 15 of you here a day saying "60 million!!!". It honestly makes me embarrassed to be a gamer. I know damn well a majority of you would be embarrassed if people knew you spent your free time bragging about a toy to people who really don't care what you have to say.

    End rant

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    GodBlessTrump 7 hours ago#92
    Agreed.
    quickposter 7 hours ago#93
    Billo posted...
    quickposter posted...
    Billo posted...
    quickposter posted...
    Billo posted...
    Catching up? You've gotta be kidding me.lol
    The gap is getting bigger by the day, it used to be 2:1 worldwide, but according to Shawn Lauren this year it's been 2:1 in US, over 3:1 in Europe, like 500:1 in Japan. VGC is showing 5:1 worldwide, There are like 4 PS4 SKUs in US Amazon top 100, and not a single XB1.
    Tekken 7 sold almost 5 times as much on PS4 as it did on XB1.

    The gap is increasing not decreasing, MS would actually have to outsell the PS4 to catch up and that has not happened for a single day this entire generation, and it's not going to either. If you think XB1X is going to help close this gap then you're in for a rude awakening.

    I don't think it will because it is too expensive (I currently can't afford one). But you are blind if you think nothing is happening. The UK has been on the bus for a while because of the S.

    The only place that they don't have a prayer to catch Sony is Japan but elsewhere is pretty doable.

    You ponies love your daddy but get your heads out of the clouds. Sony will NEVER have their PS2 dominance again. The backward compatibility and cross play embracing is starting to turn MS' fortunes around. All they need is more exclusives on the shelves and Sony will only be one third ahead.

    I didn't say nothing is happening, something is clearly happening but it's the opposite of what you're suggesting. XB1 sales are declining and PS4 sales are increasing. The gap is getting wider for both hardware and software.

    Last year from Jan-May PS4 sold about 5 million units, this year it sold over 7 million. I guess all those exclusives that don't matter really did the trick, since the big 3rd party titles this year like Mass Effect, For Honor, Prey, etc. kinda fell flat. PS4 was competing quite well last year in the US, and U.K. But this year it's been losing 2:1 even in those markets.

    Your delusions are on a ridiculous high, get them in check. XB1 will be lucky to get past 40-42 million lifetime, and PS4 will easily get to 120-125 million if not more. Not quite PS2 levels of domination but in the same realm.

    You are out of your mind if you think this. The market has changed for everybody. PC gaming is a lot bigger than it was back then and with Sony taking the PC approach people will lose faith in them and flock to PC instead anyway.

    Only one out of their mind here is you buddy. PS4 is on track to sell 20+ million this year. And it's peak year will be 2018, God of War, Days Gone, Detroit Become Human, Spider-Man are really going to push sales next year. Spider-Man and Red Dead Redemption 2 especially will sell PS4s to people who normally wouldn't even care about a PlayStation.

    PS4 sales will be around 75 million by the end of this year. Well over 95 million by the end of 2018. Another 25 million should come easy in the following years what with huge games like Last of Us 2, Death Stranding, FFVII Remake, Kingdom Hearts, etc. still to come.

    Another huge factor should be price, Sony has been dropping the price $50 every year, it will be $200 this holiday. PS3 never dropped this low even after PS4 was released because it was too expensive to manufacture.
    PS4 on the other hand will be able to go as low as under $100 by Holiday 2019. That was the reason PS2 was able to sell so much after PS3 was released, PS2 sold over 50 million units after its generation was over because it was selling for under a 100 bucks.

    You've completely ignored my point about PS4 Pro and the fact PS5 is out next year.
    Billo 7 hours ago#94
    127001 posted...
    Billo posted...
    And you're seriously more concerned with some random people on the internet moving goalposts so they can bash MS
    Excellent strawman. Kudos.
    Now back to the topic about Sony getting a free pass, where MS catches flak, whcih brings us to this ...

    Billo posted...
    than with MS constantly flip flopping on policies. Policies like "XB1 is kinect" which had millions of people paying $100 for a paperweight.

    This is the catch 22 I was talking about.
    First every media outlet and forum blew up in hissyfits and raguing outbursts about PRISM and how MS was in bed with NSA, and wanted to spy on us all. they may have been, but that's besides the point, because as soon as MS listened to consumers and dropped the Kinect, it was ... Pretty much what you posted; outburst regarding flip-flops and 180s. Some people will never be satisfied.

    While I don't care one bit for Kinect, I did like the idea of online checks, as that opened up all sorts of possibilities for second digital markets, but because the fanpups decided it was a bad idea and threw a collective hissyfit, the gaming press picked up on it, and ran story after story about a non-issue.
    Not a single sane or logical argument speaking against the online checks were ever presented. That is one so-called "180" I dislike (now watch as the brand warriors go into overdrive (^^,) ).

    Now imagine Sony had presented the same system (as rumour said at the time). Would they have recieved a similar lashing? My money's on no.


    Billo posted...
    ... you fanboys are surprised ...

    Speaking of surprises: I own a PS4.
    In fact it's my one and only gaming platform, unless phonegames in the loo counts.

    I'm into consoles for gaming, not brands.

    Of course you have a PS4, it's the only real option. Even MS fanboys know that deep down.

    All I'm saying is MS has brought all of the criticism on to themselves. They lie constantly, and it blows up in their face but they refuse to learn.

    Take the XB1X marketing for example, they've been taking digs at PS4 Pro for using checkerboarding to output 4K, been saying how XB1X would have uncompromised 4K tech, etc. now we are seeing that VERY FEW (next to none really) games will actually be Native 4K, and the fanboy excuse is that they didn't promise Native 4K, they promised "True 4K" which includes checkerboarding and dynamic resolution. 

    Nevermind the fact that "True 4K" is a extremely misleading term which anyone hearing assumes it means real Native 4K, MS deliberately chose to use that word in their marketing to create a false expectation. Now when every time a game is not Native 4K there will inevitably be articles written and videos made criticizing MS, and MS fanboys will cry media bias. It's MS who chose to be dishonest and create the expectation of native 4K through their made up buzzwords and it's going to backfire on them but no it'll be just the media picking on poor old MS. GTFO.
    Billo posted...
    They lie constantly, and it blows up in their face but they refuse to learn.

    What was that, MasterFenix? Isn't this like your 80th new troll account in the last year?
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    quickposter 7 hours ago#96
    @Billo

    The interest in the X is there. The problem is the price. As the price lowers Microsoft will have a huge advantage over Sony since they will be leading the way into 4K gaming. If Sony are seriously just sitting there twiddling their thumbs MS WILL catch them eventually.
    Billo 7 hours ago#97
    quickposter posted...
    Billo posted...
    quickposter posted...
    Billo posted...
    quickposter posted...
    Billo posted...
    Catching up? You've gotta be kidding me.lol
    The gap is getting bigger by the day, it used to be 2:1 worldwide, but according to Shawn Lauren this year it's been 2:1 in US, over 3:1 in Europe, like 500:1 in Japan. VGC is showing 5:1 worldwide, There are like 4 PS4 SKUs in US Amazon top 100, and not a single XB1.
    Tekken 7 sold almost 5 times as much on PS4 as it did on XB1.

    The gap is increasing not decreasing, MS would actually have to outsell the PS4 to catch up and that has not happened for a single day this entire generation, and it's not going to either. If you think XB1X is going to help close this gap then you're in for a rude awakening.

    I don't think it will because it is too expensive (I currently can't afford one). But you are blind if you think nothing is happening. The UK has been on the bus for a while because of the S.

    The only place that they don't have a prayer to catch Sony is Japan but elsewhere is pretty doable.

    You ponies love your daddy but get your heads out of the clouds. Sony will NEVER have their PS2 dominance again. The backward compatibility and cross play embracing is starting to turn MS' fortunes around. All they need is more exclusives on the shelves and Sony will only be one third ahead.

    I didn't say nothing is happening, something is clearly happening but it's the opposite of what you're suggesting. 

    Your delusions are on a ridiculous high, get them in check. XB1 will be lucky to get past 40-42 million lifetime, and PS4 will easily get to 120-125 million if not more. Not quite PS2 levels of domination but in the same realm.

    You are out of your mind if you think this. The market has changed for everybody. PC gaming is a lot bigger than it was back then and with Sony taking the PC approach people will lose faith in them and flock to PC instead anyway.

    Only one out of their mind here is you buddy. PS4 is on track to sell 20+ million this year. And it's peak year will be 2018, God of War, Days Gone, Detroit Become Human, Spider-Man are really going to push sales next year. Spider-Man and Red Dead Redemption 2 especially will sell PS4s to people who normally wouldn't even care about a PlayStation.

    PS4 sales will be around 75 million by the end of this year. Well over 95 million by the end of 2018. Another 25 million should come easy in the following years what with huge games like Last of Us 2, Death Stranding, FFVII Remake, Kingdom Hearts, etc. still to come.

    Another huge factor should be price, Sony has been dropping the price $50 every year, it will be $200 this holiday. PS3 never dropped this low even after PS4 was released because it was too expensive to manufacture.
    PS4 on the other hand will be able to go as low as under $100 by Holiday 2019. That was the reason PS2 was able to sell so much after PS3 was released, PS2 sold over 50 million units after its generation was over because it was selling for under a 100 bucks.

    You've completely ignored my point about PS4 Pro and the fact PS5 is out next year.

    See how out of your mind you are.
    Billo 7 hours ago#98
    quickposter posted...
    @Billo

    The interest in the X is there. The problem is the price. As the price lowers Microsoft will have a huge advantage over Sony since they will be leading the way into 4K gaming. If Sony are seriously just sitting there twiddling their thumbs MS WILL catch them eventually.

    Lmao. XB1X deliver checkerboard 4K on over 99% of games just like the Pro for an extra $150. So no they're neither leading the way into 4K nor have any chance of catching anything. MS should be more concerned about Switch catching them.
    quickposter 6 hours ago#99
    Billo posted...
    quickposter posted...
    @Billo

    The interest in the X is there. The problem is the price. As the price lowers Microsoft will have a huge advantage over Sony since they will be leading the way into 4K gaming. If Sony are seriously just sitting there twiddling their thumbs MS WILL catch them eventually.

    Lmao. XB1X deliver checkerboard 4K on over 99% of games just like the Pro for an extra $150. So no they're neither leading the way into 4K nor have any chance of catching anything. MS should be more concerned about Switch catching them.

    Switch is not in direct competition with Sony and Microsoft though. Switch is aimed at the handheld audience.

    PS5 will be coming soon because PS4 will be under-powered by the end of the year.
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    THEaircobra 6 hours ago#100
    Billo posted...
    quickposter posted...
    @Billo

    The interest in the X is there. The problem is the price. As the price lowers Microsoft will have a huge advantage over Sony since they will be leading the way into 4K gaming. If Sony are seriously just sitting there twiddling their thumbs MS WILL catch them eventually.

    Lmao. XB1X deliver checkerboard 4K on over 99% of games just like the Pro for an extra $150. So no they're neither leading the way into 4K nor have any chance of catching anything. MS should be more concerned about Switch catching them.


    So not only do you have an Xbox One X, you have every game that will have improvements on it? That's quite impressive. Tell us more.
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      Billo 6 hours ago#101
      quickposter posted...
      Billo posted...
      quickposter posted...
      @Billo

      The interest in the X is there. The problem is the price. As the price lowers Microsoft will have a huge advantage over Sony since they will be leading the way into 4K gaming. If Sony are seriously just sitting there twiddling their thumbs MS WILL catch them eventually.

      Lmao. XB1X deliver checkerboard 4K on over 99% of games just like the Pro for an extra $150. So no they're neither leading the way into 4K nor have any chance of catching anything. MS should be more concerned about Switch catching them.

      Switch is not in direct competition with Sony and Microsoft though. Switch is aimed at the handheld audience.

      PS5 will be coming soon because PS4 will be under-powered by the end of the year.

      XB1 was underpowered in 2013, it took MS 4 years to upgrade. PS2 was underpowered in 2001, Sony didn't bother with the PS3 till 2006. Seriously can you come up with a single logical thought?
      Billo 6 hours ago#102
      THEaircobra posted...
      Billo posted...
      quickposter posted...
      @Billo

      The interest in the X is there. The problem is the price. As the price lowers Microsoft will have a huge advantage over Sony since they will be leading the way into 4K gaming. If Sony are seriously just sitting there twiddling their thumbs MS WILL catch them eventually.

      Lmao. XB1X deliver checkerboard 4K on over 99% of games just like the Pro for an extra $150. So no they're neither leading the way into 4K nor have any chance of catching anything. MS should be more concerned about Switch catching them.


      So not only do you have an Xbox One X, you have every game that will have improvements on it? That's quite impressive. Tell us more.

      It's an educated guess buddy. You can keep pretending that won't be the case, but it will and then you fanboys will be crying about media bias when the media gives MS s*** for not meeting these expectations MS and you fanboys are trying to push right now.
      Billo posted...
      you fanboys

      you fanboys

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      AgentLocke posted...
      Most of us know how great of a console the PS4 is. Most of us are aware they are killing it in sales and good games. That doesn't mean we can't enjoy the Xbox and look forward to its future.


      One of the few cogent comments made in this entire thread. 

      Looking forward to pre-ordering my Xbox One X and picking up Gundam VS on my PS4 Pro plus Mario on the Switch.

      Mostly though, I will be buying a ton of multi-platform titles for XBox.
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      Billo 5 hours ago#106
      TheGam3925 posted...
      Billo posted...
      helly posted...
      Billo posted...
      . Fact is Sony is completely open to crossplay with PC.

      no. 

      they have ONE game that is pc crossplay, and have denied every single offer for something else to be crossplay. 

      they are absolutely not open to it.

      Check again...
      Street Fighter V
      FFXIV
      Rocket League
      Paragon
      Werewolves Within
      D.C. Universe online
      War Thunder
      Phantasy Star Online 2
      Dragon's Dogma Online
      Boundless
      Helldivers

      There's more but yeah, they're definitely open to to it, have been way before MS was.

      Xbone fanboy REKT.

      LOLOL!!!!

      And he never came back.lol 
      Classic Xbox fanboy. Post blatant lie hoping no one calls you out, then disappear.
      Silver2003 4 hours ago#107
      BIV posted...
      Here is an idea, maybe if you're going to criticize IGN for being bias against Xbox you shouldn't include probably the biggest Xbox Fanboy on the planet as part of your video cover image.

      Xbox has earned criticism from the gaming media because they have earned it. You can't, for months, insult the competition because they have fake 4K gaming and then use the exact same process to upscale your own games. You can't announce that you have 27 exclusives to show at E3 and then have most of them be Indy games and almost all of them timed or launch exclusives.

      While I predicted the 500 price tag, that's going to be a hard sell when the pro could be as much as 200 dollars less when it launches.

      And Crackdown 3, MS' s tentpole game for this year, the game that releases the same day as the X, looks like exactly what it is; a game that has been stuck in development Hell for a decade. And don't give me the cell shaded excuse. Last gen Borderless games look better than what we've seen...and dear god that stale gameplay....

      If Microsoft wants to stop being criticized it needs to stop earning criticism


      Good post. It's not that Microsoft hasn't done good things with the Xbox One recently, but they have failed over and over again to address THE criticism with their platform: lack of compelling triple A exclusives. This is the most important thing at the end of the day. This is why they're getting hammered in the media and by even hardcore Xbox fans who have tweeted Phil spencer their concerns. And you'd start to lose even more confidence in Microsofts ability to address this criticism when you look at the first party studios under their umbrella.

      They're trying to sell a powerful console to us, the most powerful actually, but what good is it when there is not a single game to sell it with? It would've been like Microsoft launching the original Xbox without Halo. It just wouldn't have worked. Ultimately, they need a brand new IP on the level of Halo, Gears, or even Forza for that matter. That would've been the perfect way to sell One X. The problem, where would a game like that come from? Certainly not one of Microsofts studios. Too bad they couldn't secure Anthem from Bioware as a permanent exclusive. That would've been a perfect sell for One X.

      Maybe E3 2018 will yield great surprises. One can hope anyways.
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      BIV 12 minutes ago#108
      Exactly.
      I own both consoles. I don't care about your console wars idiocy.
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