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June 27, 2017

"Serena Williams would be '700 in the world' on men's tour"

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toyota 1 day ago#1
https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2017/jun/26/serena-williams-would-be-700-in-the-world-on-mens-tour-says-mcenroe

Why has this been causing such uproar when there is probably some truth behind it. 

In mens tennis there is no way she is in the top 10.

From what i heard low rank pros could probably beat her and even college players can too. Its just physical differences and the reason why sports are seperated by the genders.

Because if all was made equal, no split gender leagues and everything was based on athleticism and talent then very few....if any, women would make it to a pro level.
lilORANG 1 day ago#2
hasn't she lost to people ranked around there?

EDIT: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_the_Sexes_(tennis)#1998:_Karsten_Braasch_vs._the_Williams_sisters
it wasn't 700, but she lost to a guy ranked 203 very badly, and he claimed he was holding back so that he was playing about a rank 600 level.
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Axiom 1 day ago#3
Lol McEnroe also blamed Andy Warhol for ruining his sex life
Lmao the speed of the balls they hit alone pretty much singlehandedly proves why women can't compete against men in Tennis.
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DrizztLink 1 day ago#5
Axiom posted...
Lol McEnroe also blamed Andy Warhol for ruining his sex life

Warhol ruined a lot of sex lives.
Its true whats the problemm?

Remember that time thr womens usa world champion soccer team lost to the usa boys under 16 team...yea...
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lilORANG posted...
hasn't she lost to people ranked around there?

I don't think it was someone quite ranked that low, but it was still a pretty low ranked person.
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Omega Hunter posted...
Its true whats the problemm?

Remember that time thr womens usa world champion soccer team lost to the usa boys under 16 team...yea...


When did this happen? You have a link?
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The Admiral 1 day ago#9
He's not wrong.
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lilORANG 1 day ago#10
TommyG663513 posted...
Omega Hunter posted...
Its true whats the problemm?

Remember that time thr womens usa world champion soccer team lost to the usa boys under 16 team...yea...


When did this happen? You have a link?

http://usatodayhss.com/2017/the-fc-dallas-u-15-academy-team-beat-the-u-s-women-s-national-team-5-2

the lady teams regularly play mens teams to practice. When they play college teams they lose by hilarious numbers.
Axiom 1 day ago#11
DrizztLink posted...
Axiom posted...
Lol McEnroe also blamed Andy Warhol for ruining his sex life

Warhol ruined a lot of sex lives.

Heh I'm kind of tempted to read his book. It's probably pretty entertaining
TommyG663513 posted...
Omega Hunter posted...
Its true whats the problemm?

Remember that time thr womens usa world champion soccer team lost to the usa boys under 16 team...yea...


When did this happen? You have a link?

I'm pretty sure he's confusing them with the Australian team.
Delirious_Beard  attack on sight1 day ago#13
men's tennis is completely in another league compared to women's
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I4NRulez 1 day ago#15
lilORANG posted...
hasn't she lost to people ranked around there?

EDIT: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_the_Sexes_(tennis)#1998:_Karsten_Braasch_vs._the_Williams_sisters
it wasn't 700, but she lost to a guy ranked 203 very badly, and he claimed he was holding back so that he was playing about a rank 600 level.


She was like 18. Serena in her prime would probably have done a lot better
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Dathrowed1 1 day ago#16
NinjaWarrior455 posted...
TommyG663513 posted...
Omega Hunter posted...
Its true whats the problemm?

Remember that time thr womens usa world champion soccer team lost to the usa boys under 16 team...yea...


When did this happen? You have a link?

I'm pretty sure he's confusing them with the Australian team.

Nah, the US women's team regularly loses to JV teams. I don't see the problem here, the more lean and muscular sex is surprise the better athlete
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lilORANG posted...
hasn't she lost to people ranked around there?

EDIT: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_the_Sexes_(tennis)#1998:_Karsten_Braasch_vs._the_Williams_sisters
it wasn't 700, but she lost to a guy ranked 203 very badly, and he claimed he was holding back so that he was playing about a rank 600 level.

Keep in mind they were in their prime too.
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DrizztLink 1 day ago#18
NinjaWarrior455 posted...
TommyG663513 posted...
Omega Hunter posted...
Its true whats the problemm?

Remember that time thr womens usa world champion soccer team lost to the usa boys under 16 team...yea...


When did this happen? You have a link?

I'm pretty sure he's confusing them with the Australian team.

http://usatodayhss.com/2017/the-fc-dallas-u-15-academy-team-beat-the-u-s-women-s-national-team-5-2
Darkman124 1 day ago#19
my question is 'why did he bring this up'

it is widely understood among actual tennis fans of both genders, and a subject of much wailing and gnashing of teeth by non-fans looking for something stupid to tweet about

there's no reason or benefit to talk about it. nobody is claiming she'd do well among mens' leagues (except the morons who feel the need to get upset over his comments)
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Isn't she basically a man anyway?
Darkman124 posted...
my question is 'why did he bring this up'

it is widely understood among actual tennis fans of both genders, and a subject of much wailing and gnashing of teeth by non-fans looking for something stupid to tweet about

there's no reason or benefit to talk about it. nobody is claiming she'd do well among mens' leagues (except the morons who feel the need to get upset over his comments)


He said this because the NPR interviewer got on his case when he qualified her as being the best "female" tennis player. This was a fairly stupid line of questioning designed to sound politically correct, and I'm not surprised the clickbait articles ignore this context leading up to it. Here is the interview exchange.

Garcia-Navarro: We're talking about male players but there is of course wonderful female players. Let's talk about Serena Williams. You say she is the best female player in the world in the book.

McEnroe: Best female player ever — no question.

Garcia-Navarro: Some wouldn't qualify it, some would say she's the best player in the world. Why qualify it?

McEnroe: Oh! Uh, she's not, you mean, the best player in the world, period?

Garcia-Navarro: Yeah, the best tennis player in the world. You know, why say female player?

McEnroe: Well because if she was in, if she played the men's circuit she'd be like 700 in the world.


http://www.npr.org/2017/06/25/534149646/but-seriously-tennis-great-john-mcenroe-says-hes-seeking-inner-peace
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Terra-enforcer posted...
Isn't she basically a man anyway?


...no?

But McEnroe is correct.
CableZL 1 day ago#24
He's right, but it's a pointless statement. She's still the most dominant tennis player of all time.
E32005 1 day ago#25
the interviewer was bulls*** and had an agenda.

she asked how great he thought Serena was and he said shes the greatest women's tennis player.

then the interviewer pressed "why do you have to classify it"

So he explained.

Keep in mine Serena herself already admitted as much on Letterman.
CableZL posted...
He's right, but it's a pointless statement. She's still the most dominant female tennis player of all time.

If you agree the men and women are a class apart then you agree the most dominant players of each need to be distinguished as such.
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bevan306 1 day ago#27
shouldn't be controversial, and blame the interviewer for baiting this story btw. She's still probably the goat tennis player
WhinyZach 1 day ago#28
Some people just don't understand that men dominate in athletics, and the top tier of female athletes couldn't even play semi pro mens leagues.

You can call her the most dominant female tennis player, but I mean she's blatantly on PED's so really it's nothing impressive.
WhinyZach posted...
Some people just don't understand that men dominate in athletics, and the top tier of female athletes couldn't even play semi pro mens leagues.

You can call her the most dominant female tennis player, but I mean she's blatantly on PED's so really it's nothing impressive.

lol stfu
WhinyZach 1 day ago#30
sktgamer_13dude posted...
WhinyZach posted...
Some people just don't understand that men dominate in athletics, and the top tier of female athletes couldn't even play semi pro mens leagues.

You can call her the most dominant female tennis player, but I mean she's blatantly on PED's so really it's nothing impressive.

lol stfu


what?
I4NRulez 1 day ago#31
WhinyZach posted...
Some people just don't understand that men dominate in athletics, and the top tier of female athletes couldn't even play semi pro mens leagues.

You can call her the most dominant female tennis player, but I mean she's blatantly on PED's so really it's nothing impressive.


You mean like every star athlete
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CableZL 1 day ago#32
voldothegr8 posted...
CableZL posted...
He's right, but it's a pointless statement. She's still the most dominant female tennis player of all time.

If you agree the men and women are a class apart then you agree the most dominant players of each need to be distinguished as such.


Not necessarily, since men and women don't play against each other professionally unless it's mixed doubles. No one dominated against their competition like Serena Williams.
WhinyZach 1 day ago#33
I4NRulez posted...
WhinyZach posted...
Some people just don't understand that men dominate in athletics, and the top tier of female athletes couldn't even play semi pro mens leagues.

You can call her the most dominant female tennis player, but I mean she's blatantly on PED's so really it's nothing impressive.


You mean like every star athlete


In certain sports it's more common. Messi and Ronaldo probably aren't on anything banned by the sport. NFL I wouldn't be surprised if steroid use is rampant.

People know tennis/biking are full of people using PED's, if you read into the sharapova fiasco she was on a crazy cocktail of stuff since she was 18. Thing is, if they took the users out of the game, there'd be no one left. So occasionally the higher powers in the sport make someone a scapegoat, someone who's either pissed off the higher ups, or are now useless too them (see lance armstrong).
CableZL posted...
voldothegr8 posted...
CableZL posted...
He's right, but it's a pointless statement. She's still the most dominant female tennis player of all time.

If you agree the men and women are a class apart then you agree the most dominant players of each need to be distinguished as such.


Not necessarily, since men and women don't play against each other professionally unless it's mixed doubles. No one dominated against their competition like Serena Williams.

Nobody dominated female college basketball like UConn, does that make them better than all the mens teams?
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CableZL 1 day ago#35
voldothegr8 posted...
CableZL posted...
voldothegr8 posted...
CableZL posted...
He's right, but it's a pointless statement. She's still the most dominant female tennis player of all time.

If you agree the men and women are a class apart then you agree the most dominant players of each need to be distinguished as such.


Not necessarily, since men and women don't play against each other professionally unless it's mixed doubles. No one dominated against their competition like Serena Williams.

Nobody dominated female college basketball like UConn, does that make them better than all the mens teams?


No, but it does make them the most dominant team.
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CableZL posted...
voldothegr8 posted...
CableZL posted...
voldothegr8 posted...
CableZL posted...
He's right, but it's a pointless statement. She's still the most dominant female tennis player of all time.

If you agree the men and women are a class apart then you agree the most dominant players of each need to be distinguished as such.


Not necessarily, since men and women don't play against each other professionally unless it's mixed doubles. No one dominated against their competition like Serena Williams.

Nobody dominated female college basketball like UConn, does that make them better than all the mens teams?


No, but it does make them the most dominant team.

Of female college basketball.
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tiornys 1 day ago#37
WhinyZach posted...
Some people just don't understand that men dominate in athletics, and the top tier of female athletes couldn't even play semi pro mens leagues.

Eh, this varies with the sport, depending on how relevant strength/mass is and how much the sport's equipment helps to compensate. Target shooting, for example, can actually favor women (a bit of googling suggests women are more accurate but men can shoot faster).

For a sport where there's definitely a bias towards males but where it's small enough to let the top females be competitive with the pros, look at bowling. Three women have made TV appearances on the PBA and one has actually won a PBA title. It's also fairly common to see the top females cashing in PBA events.
CableZL 1 day ago#38
voldothegr8 posted...
CableZL posted...
voldothegr8 posted...
CableZL posted...
voldothegr8 posted...
CableZL posted...
He's right, but it's a pointless statement. She's still the most dominant female tennis player of all time.

If you agree the men and women are a class apart then you agree the most dominant players of each need to be distinguished as such.


Not necessarily, since men and women don't play against each other professionally unless it's mixed doubles. No one dominated against their competition like Serena Williams.

Nobody dominated female college basketball like UConn, does that make them better than all the mens teams?


No, but it does make them the most dominant team.

Of female college basketball.


Of college basketball in general since no one dominated their competition like they did.

If no one dominated like person or team A, then person or team A is the most dominant.
lilORANG 1 day ago#39
CableZL posted...
voldothegr8 posted...
CableZL posted...
voldothegr8 posted...
CableZL posted...
voldothegr8 posted...
CableZL posted...
He's right, but it's a pointless statement. She's still the most dominant female tennis player of all time.

If you agree the men and women are a class apart then you agree the most dominant players of each need to be distinguished as such.


Not necessarily, since men and women don't play against each other professionally unless it's mixed doubles. No one dominated against their competition like Serena Williams.

Nobody dominated female college basketball like UConn, does that make them better than all the mens teams?


No, but it does make them the most dominant team.

Of female college basketball.


Of college basketball in general since no one dominated their competition like they did.

If no one dominated like person or team A, then person or team A is the most dominant.


By that logic I'm the most dominant mma fighter because I regularly deck my 8 year old nephew when he tries to blind side me.
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CableZL posted...
voldothegr8 posted...
CableZL posted...
voldothegr8 posted...
CableZL posted...
voldothegr8 posted...
CableZL posted...
He's right, but it's a pointless statement. She's still the most dominant female tennis player of all time.

If you agree the men and women are a class apart then you agree the most dominant players of each need to be distinguished as such.


Not necessarily, since men and women don't play against each other professionally unless it's mixed doubles. No one dominated against their competition like Serena Williams.

Nobody dominated female college basketball like UConn, does that make them better than all the mens teams?


No, but it does make them the most dominant team.

Of female college basketball.


Of college basketball in general since no one dominated their competition like they did.

If no one dominated like person or team A, then person or team A is the most dominant.

But how can they be the most dominant in all of basketball or all of tennis when it's universally agreed a division 3 mens team would crush UConn or a middling mens tennis player would crush the Williams sisters?

By that logic I'm the most dominant mma fighter because I regularly deck my 8 year old nephew when he tries to blind side me.

Also this
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CableZL 1 day ago#41
lilORANG posted...
By that logic I'm the most dominant mma fighter because I regularly deck my 8 year old nephew when he tries to blind side me.


That's a terrible analogy. Serena Williams wasn't out there playing against 8 year olds and neither was UConn.
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CableZL 1 day ago#42
voldothegr8 posted...
But how can they be the most dominant in all of basketball or all of tennis when it's universally agreed a division 3 mens team would crush UConn or a middling mens tennis player would crush the Williams sisters?


"Most dominant" doesn't mean UConn would beat a men's college basketball team, nor does it mean Serena Williams would beat a male tennis player. It means they dominated their competition more than anyone else.
WhinyZach 1 day ago#43
tiornys posted...
WhinyZach posted...
Some people just don't understand that men dominate in athletics, and the top tier of female athletes couldn't even play semi pro mens leagues.

Eh, this varies with the sport, depending on how relevant strength/mass is and how much the sport's equipment helps to compensate. Target shooting, for example, can actually favor women (a bit of googling suggests women are more accurate but men can shoot faster).

For a sport where there's definitely a bias towards males but where it's small enough to let the top females be competitive with the pros, look at bowling. Three women have made TV appearances on the PBA and one has actually won a PBA title. It's also fairly common to see the top females cashing in PBA events.


Ya, i wasn't thinking in terms of target shooting and bowling. Didn't even come to mind. You're right though.
lilORANG 1 day ago#44
CableZL posted...
lilORANG posted...
By that logic I'm the most dominant mma fighter because I regularly deck my 8 year old nephew when he tries to blind side me.


That's a terrible analogy. Serena Williams wasn't out there playing against 8 year olds and neither was UConn.

But if she was you'd say she was dominant.
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CableZL 1 day ago#45
lilORANG posted...
But if she was you'd say she was dominant.


Except we aren't talking about grown people "competing" against children. Like I said, that's a terrible analogy.
WhinyZach posted...
sktgamer_13dude posted...
WhinyZach posted...
Some people just don't understand that men dominate in athletics, and the top tier of female athletes couldn't even play semi pro mens leagues.

You can call her the most dominant female tennis player, but I mean she's blatantly on PED's so really it's nothing impressive.

lol stfu


what?

If she was on PEDs, they'd catch her. 

Sharapova got caught cause she was using a legal substance that became illegal and she didn't know it became illegal cause her trainers didn't tell her. 

Just because she dominates a sport doesn't mean she's on PEDs. 

Get over yourself.
The Admiral posted...
Darkman124 posted...
my question is 'why did he bring this up'

it is widely understood among actual tennis fans of both genders, and a subject of much wailing and gnashing of teeth by non-fans looking for something stupid to tweet about

there's no reason or benefit to talk about it. nobody is claiming she'd do well among mens' leagues (except the morons who feel the need to get upset over his comments)


He said this because the NPR interviewer got on his case when he qualified her as being the best "female" tennis player. This was a fairly stupid line of questioning designed to sound politically correct, and I'm not surprised the clickbait articles ignore this context leading up to it. Here is the interview exchange.

Garcia-Navarro: We're talking about male players but there is of course wonderful female players. Let's talk about Serena Williams. You say she is the best female player in the world in the book.

McEnroe: Best female player ever — no question.

Garcia-Navarro: Some wouldn't qualify it, some would say she's the best player in the world. Why qualify it?

McEnroe: Oh! Uh, she's not, you mean, the best player in the world, period?

Garcia-Navarro: Yeah, the best tennis player in the world. You know, why say female player?

McEnroe: Well because if she was in, if she played the men's circuit she'd be like 700 in the world.


http://www.npr.org/2017/06/25/534149646/but-seriously-tennis-great-john-mcenroe-says-hes-seeking-inner-peace

He's right. Seems like a stupid question to ask, since it's just going to rile people up who have an agenda about this sort of thing. Serena Williams might be the most dominant player ever within her own relevant sphere, but female participants are not relevant as far as male sports are concerned.
CableZL posted...
voldothegr8 posted...
But how can they be the most dominant in all of basketball or all of tennis when it's universally agreed a division 3 mens team would crush UConn or a middling mens tennis player would crush the Williams sisters?


"Most dominant" doesn't mean UConn would beat a men's college basketball team, nor does it mean Serena Williams would beat a male tennis player. It means they dominated their competition more than anyone else.

You said she's probably the most dominant tennis player of all time. That statement to me, and I'm not alone, is saying that she's lumped in with the men. Again, you agree men and women tennis players are a class apart so that statement to me is false, she's the most dominant female tennis player of all time.
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CableZL 1 day ago#49
voldothegr8 posted...
You said she's probably the most dominant tennis player of all time. That statement to me, and I'm not alone, is saying that she's lumped in with the men. Again, you agree men and women tennis players are a class apart so that statement to me is false, she's the most dominant female tennis player of all time.


Being the most dominant doesn't necessarily mean you're the best. No male tennis player has dominated like Serena Williams has, so they aren't as dominant. That doesn't mean Serena Williams would beat said male tennis players. It just means she was more dominant. Because as you agreed, no one has dominated like she has.

Again, if no one has dominated like she has, then she is the most dominant. It's essentially a statement of how much better she is than her competition over the years.
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WhinyZach 1 day ago#50
sktgamer_13dude posted...
WhinyZach posted...
sktgamer_13dude posted...
WhinyZach posted...
Some people just don't understand that men dominate in athletics, and the top tier of female athletes couldn't even play semi pro mens leagues.

You can call her the most dominant female tennis player, but I mean she's blatantly on PED's so really it's nothing impressive.

lol stfu


what?

If she was on PEDs, they'd catch her. 

Sharapova got caught cause she was using a legal substance that became illegal and she didn't know it became illegal cause her trainers didn't tell her. 

Just because she dominates a sport doesn't mean she's on PEDs. 

Get over yourself.


I dunno why you'd say get over yourself as if I have an inflated ego over this. You seem really upset, and also ignorant. Terrible combination, you should work on that. I'll even help educate you.

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No woman has this kind of muscle mass naturally. The only other female to come close to her physique is known, deep voiced, juicer Samantha Stosur
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When a random drug tester came to her house, she locked herself inside her panic room
http://nypost.com/2011/11/02/serena-williams-locks-herself-in-panic-room-in-drug-test-mix-up/

She has a HUGE list of injuries. I mean, that alone doesn't really point to PED's but she came back from everything quickly, and got stronger. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serena_Williams#2004.E2.80.9307:_Injuries_and_the_comeback

Politics play the biggest role here, that's why Serena hasn't been caught.
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    lilORANG 1 day ago#51
    CableZL posted...
    lilORANG posted...
    But if she was you'd say she was dominant.


    Except we aren't talking about grown people "competing" against children. Like I said, that's a terrible analogy.

    You can't call someone most dominant of all time if you don't factor in everyone in the game. That includes 8 year olds. She dominates the women's league.
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    tiornys 1 day ago#52
    CableZL posted...
    Being the most dominant doesn't necessarily mean you're the best. No male tennis player has dominated like Serena Williams has, so they aren't as dominant. That doesn't mean Serena Williams would beat said male tennis players. It just means she was more dominant. Because as you agreed, no one has dominated like she has.

    Again, if no one has dominated like she has, then she is the most dominant. It's essentially a statement of how much better she is than her competition over the years.

    I see your point, but I think there's an inherent problem with this line of argument. If we're going to define dominance as relative to the competition, then we need to consider all tiers of organized competition (restricting to "organized" to rule out the "I beat my nephew" scenarios). Since we don't have easy access to data on all the tiers of organized competition, we can't actually claim to know whether or not some tennis player might have been even more dominant at their tier of competition (possibly because they didn't move up a tier) than Serena was on the women's pro circuit.
    CableZL 1 day ago#53
    lilORANG posted...
    You can't call someone most dominant of all time if you don't factor in everyone in the game. That includes 8 year olds. She dominates the women's league.


    1. 8 year olds aren't "in the game" of professional tennis. Stop using this terrible analogy. 
    2. If person/team A has dominated like no one else, then person/team A is the most dominant.
    Iodine 1 day ago#54
    The Admiral posted...
    Darkman124 posted...
    my question is 'why did he bring this up'

    it is widely understood among actual tennis fans of both genders, and a subject of much wailing and gnashing of teeth by non-fans looking for something stupid to tweet about

    there's no reason or benefit to talk about it. nobody is claiming she'd do well among mens' leagues (except the morons who feel the need to get upset over his comments)


    He said this because the NPR interviewer got on his case when he qualified her as being the best "female" tennis player. This was a fairly stupid line of questioning designed to sound politically correct, and I'm not surprised the clickbait articles ignore this context leading up to it. Here is the interview exchange.

    Garcia-Navarro: We're talking about male players but there is of course wonderful female players. Let's talk about Serena Williams. You say she is the best female player in the world in the book.

    McEnroe: Best female player ever — no question.

    Garcia-Navarro: Some wouldn't qualify it, some would say she's the best player in the world. Why qualify it?

    McEnroe: Oh! Uh, she's not, you mean, the best player in the world, period?

    Garcia-Navarro: Yeah, the best tennis player in the world. You know, why say female player?

    McEnroe: Well because if she was in, if she played the men's circuit she'd be like 700 in the world.


    http://www.npr.org/2017/06/25/534149646/but-seriously-tennis-great-john-mcenroe-says-hes-seeking-inner-peace

    Well ok then.
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    WhinyZach posted...

    Politics play the biggest role here, that's why Serena hasn't been caught.

    lol no.

    Literally the first sentence of your article:

    Serena Williams fled to the panic room in her Los Angeles mansion when she mistook a sports association drug tester for a dangerous intruder.


    You're trying to make it look like she locked herself in a panic room SOLELY because of the random drug test when in fact, it was because she thought it was an intruder. Considering Sean Taylor literally died 4 years before that because of a home invasion, it's kind of an appropriate response to a random person at your house.

    Again; get over yourself. Athletes in all sports have quick injury comeback times. They have the worlds best doctors and trainers at their disposal and keep their bodies in better condition than literally anyone here ever will.
    I don't know why some people aren't getting this dominance argument. You can argue dominance cross sports, gender, even time periods if you want.

    "The Chicago Bulls were more dominant than the Patriots are" is a claim that has nothing to do with which of the two would win in a head to head competition in either sport.
    Iodine posted...
    The Admiral posted...
    Darkman124 posted...
    my question is 'why did he bring this up'

    it is widely understood among actual tennis fans of both genders, and a subject of much wailing and gnashing of teeth by non-fans looking for something stupid to tweet about

    there's no reason or benefit to talk about it. nobody is claiming she'd do well among mens' leagues (except the morons who feel the need to get upset over his comments)


    He said this because the NPR interviewer got on his case when he qualified her as being the best "female" tennis player. This was a fairly stupid line of questioning designed to sound politically correct, and I'm not surprised the clickbait articles ignore this context leading up to it. Here is the interview exchange.

    Garcia-Navarro: We're talking about male players but there is of course wonderful female players. Let's talk about Serena Williams. You say she is the best female player in the world in the book.

    McEnroe: Best female player ever — no question.

    Garcia-Navarro: Some wouldn't qualify it, some would say she's the best player in the world. Why qualify it?

    McEnroe: Oh! Uh, she's not, you mean, the best player in the world, period?

    Garcia-Navarro: Yeah, the best tennis player in the world. You know, why say female player?

    McEnroe: Well because if she was in, if she played the men's circuit she'd be like 700 in the world.


    http://www.npr.org/2017/06/25/534149646/but-seriously-tennis-great-john-mcenroe-says-hes-seeking-inner-peace

    Well ok then.

    Yeah, holy s***. That interviewer tried to bait the f*** out of him. What a pile of s***.
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    Anteaterking posted...
    I don't know why some people aren't getting this dominance argument. You can argue dominance cross sports, gender, even time periods if you want.

    "The Chicago Bulls were more dominant than the Patriots are" is a claim that has nothing to do with which of the two would win in a head to head competition in either sport.

    I mean you can, but when someone says most dominant tennis player ever I instantly think Federer.
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    To be 700th in the world as a woman in a sport with men is crazy high. 

    Like, the womans sprinting record for 100m is still 8% too slow to even qualify for the men's Olympics 100m
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    Callixtus 1 day ago#61
    Isnt the real question whether she is the best, not whether she is the most dominant? She certainly is not the best.
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    WhinyZach 1 day ago#62
    sktgamer_13dude posted...
    WhinyZach posted...

    Politics play the biggest role here, that's why Serena hasn't been caught.

    lol no.

    Literally the first sentence of your article:

    Serena Williams fled to the panic room in her Los Angeles mansion when she mistook a sports association drug tester for a dangerous intruder.


    You're trying to make it look like she locked herself in a panic room SOLELY because of the random drug test when in fact, it was because she thought it was an intruder. Considering Sean Taylor literally died 4 years before that because of a home invasion, it's kind of an appropriate response to a random person at your house.

    Again; get over yourself. Athletes in all sports have quick injury comeback times. They have the worlds best doctors and trainers at their disposal and keep their bodies in better condition than literally anyone here ever will.


    Your "lol no" rebuttal was great, I hope you didn't strain too hard coming up with that one.

    And ya, cuz someone knocking on your door is really grounds for you to run to your panic room and call the police. I also notice you don't address that physically there's no doubt she's enhanced. 

    No, athletes come back from injuries in usual times, not accelerated. Most of the time they regress, not get better. 

    You can scream "get over yourself" all you want you just look silly.
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    WhinyZach posted...
    No, athletes come back from injuries in usual times, not accelerated. Most of the time they regress, not get better.

    uh, no. And not every athlete gets worse with injury. Some pitchers have pitched better after TJS, aka one of the most serious arm surgeries ever. Older players tend to regress, but younger players are still growing into their athletic prime.

    So again, get over yourself. Not most athletes are on PEDs, especially illegal ones. This isn't the 90s/early 00s.
    WhinyZach posted...
    Your "lol no" rebuttal was great, I hope you didn't strain too hard coming up with that one.

    Considering you're believing that there's some big conspiracy keeping her playing tennis because of the politics of the sport, "lol no" is probably too much of a rebuttal.
    voldothegr8 posted...
    I mean you can, but when someone says most dominant tennis player ever I instantly think Federer.


    Yeah, but I think that argument would be made on the grounds of his number of Grand Slams, win percentage, etc. not based on whether he can beat Serena in a one on one.
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    Darkman124 posted...
    my question is 'why did he bring this up'

    it is widely understood among actual tennis fans of both genders, and a subject of much wailing and gnashing of teeth by non-fans looking for something stupid to tweet about

    there's no reason or benefit to talk about it. nobody is claiming she'd do well among mens' leagues (except the morons who feel the need to get upset over his comments)


    Precisely what I was thinking

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    MrPeppers 1 day ago#67
    Anteaterking posted...
    I don't know why some people aren't getting this dominance argument. You can argue dominance cross sports, gender, even time periods if you want.

    "The Chicago Bulls were more dominant than the Patriots are" is a claim that has nothing to do with which of the two would win in a head to head competition in either sport.


    It just seems like splitting hairs between dominance and best is entirely pointless because the concept of dominance in which its being used with this tennis example is an entirely useless metric. So Serena was the most dominant tennis player of all time asterisk asterisk asterisk. This is nothing but a feelgood statement that serves just as much purpose as stating she'd get crushed in a men's league.
    Dathrowed1 22 hours ago#68
    voldothegr8 posted...
    Nobody dominated female college basketball like UConn, does that make them better than all the mens teams?

    Seriously, women's sports have less parity. Male athletes are closer to one another, where the best teams are normally due to coaching vs. talent (though of course it helps to have talent). Women have a larger talent gap among themselves.
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    BB mofo 22 hours ago#69
    McEnroe's argument is pretty stupid. Will we now say that Julio Cesar Chavez isn't one of the greatest boxers of the 20th century since he's a welter-weight while Buster Douglas is a heavyweight who has a higher likelihood of knocking Chavez out in a match? McEnroe is willfully ignoring context.
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    BB mofo posted...
    Will we now say that Julio Cesar Chavez isn't one of the greatest boxers of the 20th century

    Best welterweight boxer, sure.
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    Omega Hunter 16 hours ago#71
    How can you call someone the best ever when they play in a league with inferior competition. Its blatantly disingenuous.

    Im gonna create a mma league with only midgets and me, then call myself the most dominant ever lol.
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    Turtlebread 16 hours ago#72
    that would only make sense if you were a midget too
    Bio1590 16 hours ago#73
    Turtlebread posted...
    that would only make sense if you were a midget too

    And it was professionally sanctioned
    Link HT 16 hours ago#74
    Most people in sports are on something, specially the top 1%

    It's just naive to think otherwise
    Darkman124 15 hours ago#75
    ITT: Darkman124 and Admiral are in full agreement.

    His interviewer was clearly pushing him into this area. "Some would say she's the best tennis player in the world" 

    Who would say that?
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    Lorenzo_2003 15 hours ago#76
    sktgamer_13dude posted...

    Sharapova got caught cause she was using a legal substance that became illegal and she didn't know it became illegal cause her trainers didn't tell her. 


    Lol, that might be the most naive comment I've ever heard in regards to professional sports. The UFC guys are my favorite because they just scapegoat protein powders and whatever else they can think of.
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    pinky0926 15 hours ago#77
    He's not wrong, but I have to question what the context was here. What was he trying to say? Like was he just trying to stir up some unneeded s*** or did someone ask him "Do you think women could play against men?"

    Edit: looks like the interviewer was pushing towards this. 

    I've also got to laugh at Serena's statement. Like, what do you think McEnroe is? He's a pundit. It's his job to give "I reckon" statements about things that could only ever be conjecture.
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    ghettoraider81 15 hours ago#78
    pinky0926 posted...
    He's not wrong, but I have to question what the context was here. What was he trying to say? Like was he just trying to stir up some unneeded s*** or did someone ask him "Do you think women could play against men?"




    He called her the best female player in the world.

    He was then asked why he specified female and not just best in the world.

    He replied because she isn't, if she played on the men's tour she would be like 700th.


    He's not wrong and was baited.
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    BilalPowell 15 hours ago#79
    Prime Floyd Mayweather would get destroyed by prime Mike Tyson.
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    Darkman124 15 hours ago#80
    pinky0926 posted...
    I've also got to laugh at Serena's statement. Like, what do you think McEnroe is? He's a pundit. It's his job to give "I reckon" statements about things that could only ever be conjecture.


    eh, i kind of understand what's going on there, too.

    technically the person violating her privacy was the interviewer, they're the one who forced it on her

    but as the interviewer had a pro-serena agenda, she wasn't gonna respond in anger at them for starting this s***

    pretty much the interviewer did a minor bad, McEnroe did nothing wrong and was baited, and twitter was just waiting for something a man said to get angry about.
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    pinky0926 15 hours ago#81
    Darkman124 posted...
    pinky0926 posted...
    I've also got to laugh at Serena's statement. Like, what do you think McEnroe is? He's a pundit. It's his job to give "I reckon" statements about things that could only ever be conjecture.


    eh, i kind of understand what's going on there, too.

    technically the person violating her privacy was the interviewer, they're the one who forced it on her

    but as the interviewer had a pro-serena agenda, she wasn't gonna respond in anger at them for starting this s***

    pretty much the interviewer did a minor bad, McEnroe did nothing wrong and was baited, and twitter was just waiting for something a man said to get angry about.


    I just made the mistake of reading twitter to see all the stupid. I am now dumber for having read it.
    Darkman124 15 hours ago#82
    pinky0926 posted...

    I just made the mistake of reading twitter to see all the stupid. I am now dumber for having read it.


    dr. darkman proscribes the following treatment:

    read this scientific journal article in full. 

    https://arxiv.org/abs/1706.08503
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    pinky0926 15 hours ago#83
    CableZL 15 hours ago#84
    BilalPowell posted...
    Prime Floyd Mayweather would get destroyed by prime Mike Tyson.


    The two would never have been in a boxing match against each other, though. Tyson a heavyweight while Mayweather is a welterweight.
    Ilishe 14 hours ago#85
    Yeah I think she would be thereabouts.

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    istmirechtegal 14 hours ago#86
    CableZL posted...
    voldothegr8 posted...
    You said she's probably the most dominant tennis player of all time. That statement to me, and I'm not alone, is saying that she's lumped in with the men. Again, you agree men and women tennis players are a class apart so that statement to me is false, she's the most dominant female tennis player of all time.


    Being the most dominant doesn't necessarily mean you're the best. No male tennis player has dominated like Serena Williams has, so they aren't as dominant. That doesn't mean Serena Williams would beat said male tennis players. It just means she was more dominant. Because as you agreed, no one has dominated like she has.

    Again, if no one has dominated like she has, then she is the most dominant. It's essentially a statement of how much better she is than her competition over the years.


    .....yes in her field, which is women tennis.
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    Darkman124 14 hours ago#87
    pinky0926 posted...
    I'm thinking Lyle McDonald might be the more topical academic writer of choice here:


    perhaps, but Dr. Bao is at the forefront of quantum computing and i know personally that he's a dank motherf***er
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    pinky0926 14 hours ago#89
    Darkman124 posted...
    pinky0926 posted...
    I'm thinking Lyle McDonald might be the more topical academic writer of choice here:


    perhaps, but Dr. Bao is at the forefront of quantum computing and i know personally that he's a dank motherf***er


    quantum computing is an intensely interesting subject! To non-physicists it seems like magic, though.
    Darkman124 14 hours ago#90
    pinky0926 posted...

    quantum computing is an intensely interesting subject! To non-physicists it seems like magic, though.


    the real magic is the algorithm writing they do

    he turned an np-hard problem into a polynomial-hard problem (essentially unsolvable->solvable in a few hours)
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    pinky0926 14 hours ago#91
    Darkman124 posted...
    pinky0926 posted...

    quantum computing is an intensely interesting subject! To non-physicists it seems like magic, though.


    the real magic is the algorithm writing they do

    he turned an np-hard problem into a polynomial-hard problem (essentially unsolvable->solvable in a few hours)


    Sounds like a real smarty pants. I bet he's got a degree and everything
    shanefu22 13 hours ago#92
    Once again SJWs tearing down an innocent statement to make themselves relevant.
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    WhinyZach 13 hours ago#93
    sktgamer_13dude posted...
    WhinyZach posted...
    Your "lol no" rebuttal was great, I hope you didn't strain too hard coming up with that one.

    Considering you're believing that there's some big conspiracy keeping her playing tennis because of the politics of the sport, "lol no" is probably too much of a rebuttal.


    You're naive, man. When you get a little older you'll learn that these athletes aren't just people who work so much harder than everyone else in their sport lol.
    pinky0926 13 hours ago#94
    WhinyZach posted...
    sktgamer_13dude posted...
    WhinyZach posted...
    Your "lol no" rebuttal was great, I hope you didn't strain too hard coming up with that one.

    Considering you're believing that there's some big conspiracy keeping her playing tennis because of the politics of the sport, "lol no" is probably too much of a rebuttal.


    You're naive, man. When you get a little older you'll learn that these athletes aren't just people who work so much harder than everyone else in their sport lol.


    I like the Bill Burr commentary on this, in regards to Lance Armstrong. "So what? Our roided up guy beat your roided up guy."
    Darkman124 13 hours ago#95
    pinky0926 posted...

    Sounds like a real smarty pants. I bet he's got a degree and everything


    yeah but he can't hold alcohol for s***
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    ChromaticAngel 13 hours ago#96
    voldothegr8 posted...

    Nobody dominated female college basketball like UConn, does that make them better than all the mens teams?

    I think what a lot of people fail to realize is that being dominant at the women's league is a lot easier than dominating the men's league. Winning as many trophies as Federer did is a much bigger accomplishment than Serena's wins because he did it in the men's league.
    ktownslayer16 13 hours ago#97
    I bet she's get destroyed by a good high school player.
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    Gojak_v3 13 hours ago#98
    ITT: people realize men are generally physically superior to women.
    tennisdude818 13 hours ago#99
    Top D1 college players would beat her, and when those same guys try to play pro they are often ranked 500-700 or worse. There is just no comparison, she can't move and play defense like men can. She hits hard, but when her ball pace seems similar to what men hit it's because her ball is flat(little to no spin). Comparing men's tennis to women's tennis is like comparing the NBA to the WNBA. 

    This isn't mean to insult her or stain her legacy, but some SJWs in media are pushing a narrative that she is the best PLAYER ever, not the best FEMALE player. The two tours can't be compared to each other. Federer is the best men's player, Serena is the best women's player.
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    Gojak_v3 13 hours ago#100
    This thread reminds me of all the CEmen saying they would destroy Ronda Rousey in a fight.
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      Darkman124 13 hours ago#101
      Gojak_v3 posted...
      This thread reminds me of all the CEmen saying they would destroy Ronda Rousey in a fight.


      how so

      0 people in here have claimed they would personally beat williams in a tennis match

      it seems more like people are realizing he was baited and the ensuing rage-fest was pretty clearly the intent of the interviewer (and the goal of the people pitching the twitter s***-storm) rather than him doing something inappropriate
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      Gojak_v3 13 hours ago#102
      Darkman124 posted...
      Gojak_v3 posted...
      This thread reminds me of all the CEmen saying they would destroy Ronda Rousey in a fight.


      how so

      0 people in here have claimed they would personally beat williams in a tennis match

      it seems more like people are realizing he was baited and the ensuing rage-fest was pretty clearly the intent of the interviewer (and the goal of the people pitching the twitter s***-storm) rather than him doing something inappropriate


      I said reminds me of it not a direct comparison. And yeah you have people saying high schoolers would beat her which really reminds me when CEmen neckbeards were like I could beat up Ronda Rousy. Not that I think she could compete with men. People just take it to extremes.
      Asherlee10 13 hours ago#103
      *didn't read the replies in the thread*

      No s***. 99% of the time female athletes can't compete with male athletes. Men are literally stronger and faster. Going further, I think that men also have better spatial awareness than women in general. 

      I played on boys teams my entire life until about 16 years old when boys finally caught up and I couldn't compete at the same level I wanted to. However, that did help me play differently when I joined girls teams in soccer.
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      tennisdude818 12 hours ago#104
      Gojak_v3 posted...
      Darkman124 posted...
      Gojak_v3 posted...
      This thread reminds me of all the CEmen saying they would destroy Ronda Rousey in a fight.


      how so

      0 people in here have claimed they would personally beat williams in a tennis match

      it seems more like people are realizing he was baited and the ensuing rage-fest was pretty clearly the intent of the interviewer (and the goal of the people pitching the twitter s***-storm) rather than him doing something inappropriate


      I said reminds me of it not a direct comparison. And yeah you have people saying high schoolers would beat her which really reminds me when CEmen neckbeards were like I could beat up Ronda Rousy. Not that I think she could compete with men. People just take it to extremes.


      Well there are 17-18 year olds that could beat her but that's not really relevent anyway. 17 year old Nadal won the French Open IIRC. At 18 Jack Sock was already ready for the pros.
      ThyCorndog 12 hours ago#105
      if you read the interview you'd see McEnroe said nothing wrong. he said Serena Williams is undoubtedly the greatest female player of the sport. the interviewer asks him why he's distinguishing the sex of the player and asks if she's the best player overall. McEnroe says not overall, and that she would be like the 700th best player if you counted in male players
      Darkman124 12 hours ago#106
      Asherlee10 posted...
      I played on boys teams my entire life until about 16 years old when boys finally caught up and I couldn't compete at the same level I wanted to. However, that did help me play differently when I joined girls teams in soccer.


      the fact that you made it to 16 before having to leave the male leagues explains a lot about why you were a D-1 soccer college athlete

      that level of training gave you a huge advantage over your peers
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      700? I could buy into like, the top 150 or so, but 700 is a bit too flippant and I'm guessing he'd walk that back if he could
      Gheb 12 hours ago#108
      The Great Muta 22 posted...
      700? I could buy into like, the top 150 or so, but 700 is a bit too flippant and I'm guessing he'd walk that back if he could

      She was thoroughly beaten by a dude ranked 203 in the past. So top 150 would be a giant overstatement.
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      voldothegr8 12 hours ago#109
      Gheb posted...
      The Great Muta 22 posted...
      700? I could buy into like, the top 150 or so, but 700 is a bit too flippant and I'm guessing he'd walk that back if he could

      She was thoroughly beaten by a dude ranked 203 in the past. So top 150 would be a giant overstatement.

      Not just a rank 203, a drunkard declining rank 203 who held back. They were in their prime.
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      tennisdude818 12 hours ago#110
      The Great Muta 22 posted...
      700? I could buy into like, the top 150 or so, but 700 is a bit too flippant and I'm guessing he'd walk that back if he could


      Not flippant at all. The satellite tour is full of guys who were used to dominating junior and college tennis. 

      The Men's tour is a brutal grind and hardly anyone should even bother trying to pursue a pro career. Top D1 guys regularily go nowhere in the pros much less get into the top 150.
      tennisdude818 12 hours ago#111
      voldothegr8 posted...
      Gheb posted...
      The Great Muta 22 posted...
      700? I could buy into like, the top 150 or so, but 700 is a bit too flippant and I'm guessing he'd walk that back if he could

      She was thoroughly beaten by a dude ranked 203 in the past. So top 150 would be a giant overstatement.

      Not just a rank 203, a drunkard declining rank 203 who held back. They were in their prime.


      Those sisters used to brag that they should be allowed to play on the Men's tour. I think the exhibition you're referring to is the reason they quit talking about playing on the ATP.
      _OujiDoza_ 12 hours ago#112
      Darkman124 posted...
      my question is 'why did he bring this up'

      The (female) reporter is the one that raised the question...
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      ReignFury 12 hours ago#113
      Shes an elite and rare power athlete for a woman and probably could have done well at any sport, but theres no comparison to male athletes. She would get destroyed.
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      Asherlee10 12 hours ago#114
      Darkman124 posted...
      Asherlee10 posted...
      I played on boys teams my entire life until about 16 years old when boys finally caught up and I couldn't compete at the same level I wanted to. However, that did help me play differently when I joined girls teams in soccer.


      the fact that you made it to 16 before having to leave the male leagues explains a lot about why you were a D-1 soccer college athlete

      that level of training gave you a huge advantage over your peers


      It definitely gave me a hefty advantage. It was easier to play on female teams after that. Also, in college, we often did pre-season with the Ole Miss football team for fitness routines. I LOVED IT! The level of competition was much more intense.
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      Darkman124 12 hours ago#115
      _OujiDoza_ posted...
      Darkman124 posted...
      my question is 'why did he bring this up'

      The (female) reporter is the one that raised the question...


      yeah this has been clarified and it basically turns the entire dialogue on its head

      he did nothing wrong and the reporter basically forced him to say what he did

      what she was saying was basically an insult to the male top players
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      Asherlee10 12 hours ago#116
      Curiosity got me and they still have one of my old profiles up on the Ole Miss website for soccer. This was in 2003 I think.

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      ReignFury 12 hours ago#117
      If people feel offended by what he said they should do an exhibition match between Serena and #700
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      _OujiDoza_ 12 hours ago#118
      Oh boy, Asher....you've gone and done it, now...

      This topic will now hit 500.
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      Darkman124 12 hours ago#119
      Asherlee10 posted...
      Curiosity got me and they still have one of my old profiles up on the Ole Miss website for soccer. This was in 2003 I think.


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      Asherlee10 11 hours ago#120
      Darkman124 posted...
      Asherlee10 posted...
      Curiosity got me and they still have one of my old profiles up on the Ole Miss website for soccer. This was in 2003 I think.


      you look the same


      I sacrificed a virgin to the Gods of Immortality to grant me endless youthfulness.
      "Opinions should be a result of a thought, not a substitute for it."
      garan 6 hours ago#121
      He's right and anyone who claims otherwise is a massive SJW troll.
      gmanthebest 6 hours ago#122
      Asherlee10 posted...
      Darkman124 posted...
      Asherlee10 posted...
      Curiosity got me and they still have one of my old profiles up on the Ole Miss website for soccer. This was in 2003 I think.


      you look the same


      I sacrificed a virgin to the Gods of Immortality to grant me endless youthfulness.

      And that virgin? The original Vegy. His spirit is said to roam the world, possessing poor souls to make posts about cegals.
      What do I feel when I shoot an enemy? Recoil.
      ReignFury 6 hours ago#123
      Feminists are having a field day with this
      MAKE AMERICA SMART AGAIN
      http://i.giftrunk.com/rv4b2c.gif
      ReignFury posted...
      Feminists are having a field day with this

      "Equality dammit! ...except for sports" right?
      Dathrowed1 2 hours ago#125
      Asherlee10 posted...
      No s***. 99% of the time female athletes can't compete with male athletes. Men are literally stronger and faster. Going further, I think that men also have better spatial awareness than women in general. 

      And better reaction time.
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