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June 6, 2017

Why are young men dropping out of society? 1-150

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ssj-kenobi 16 hours ago#1
Is it because they don't want to contribute or because they can't contribute? Is it porn? Video games? Movies? Internet? Welfare? Is it purely a social phenomenon or is there actually something genetic/biological that makes them behave this way? Maybe something about their upbringing? Should something be done about it, and if yes, what?
Leanaunfurled 16 hours ago#2
is this topic about suicide or something?
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KILBOTz 15 hours ago#3
ImTheMacheteGuy 15 hours ago#4
wat
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Leanaunfurled posted...
is this topic about suicide or something?

It's either about basement neckbeards or tinder. I can't tell.
clearaflagrantj 15 hours ago#6
- We can't get jobs even with advanced degrees 

- We can't afford houses, rent costs too much 

- We see that marriage usually f***s us over, women can (and will) cheat on us and take half of everything 

- Children are overexpensive s*** factories that destroy your dreams 

- Video games are extremely cheap and more fun that paying $22 for two drinks and getting called a creep by ugly THOTs at the bar 

It's simple really.
Tappor 15 hours ago#7
Because being a NEET is objectively better.
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Mernardi 15 hours ago#8
clearaflagrantj posted...
- We can't get jobs even with advanced degrees 

- We can't afford houses, rent costs too much 

- We see that marriage usually f***s us over, women can (and will) cheat on us and take half of everything 

- Children are overexpensive s*** factories that destroy your dreams 

- Video games are extremely cheap and more fun that paying $22 for two drinks and getting called a creep by ugly THOTs at the bar 

It's simple really.

Jesus, you need to trim that neckbeard.
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Darkman124 15 hours ago#9
mix of many factors

fundamentally men participate in society because there is a clearly defined way for them to exchange their effort for respect and sex

modern society has both devalued that exchange as well as made it harder for them to actually find work that allows them to participate in it

some men learned to adjust and found that there are other ways to get respect and sex that are not socialized into us (physical fitness and grooming) 

others did not adjust. those who didn't have become socially withdrawn. some of them radicalized. i tend to think this is a cyclical thing as cultures change.

on top of all this, games and porn provide an outlet that undermines the motivation to pursue those things in the first place, so a lot of men withdraw whether forced to or not
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Suchomimus 15 hours ago#10
Video games, pornography, and sugar all lead to degeneracy.
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Offworlder1 15 hours ago#11
Waiting for a red pill to chime in, and sure enough they have.
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Darkman124 posted...
some men learned to adjust and found that there are other ways to get respect and sex that are not socialized into us (physical fitness and grooming)

Not everybody is 6' with an attractive face and a well paying job. 80/20 rule, 80% of women have sex with only the top 20% of men, and within that 20% subset 4% are having sex with the top 96% of women.

The tables turn quick at 30+ when women realize their looks are fading as if they gazed into the lost Ark and their eggs are disappearing fast. Then it's time to settle down with the beta and get married.
Suchomimus 15 hours ago#13
clearaflagrantj posted...
Darkman124 posted...
some men learned to adjust and found that there are other ways to get respect and sex that are not socialized into us (physical fitness and grooming)

Not everybody is 6' with an attractive face and a well paying job. 80/20 rule, 80% of women have sex with only the top 20% of men, and within that 20% subset 4% are having sex with the top 96% of women.


Do this many alphas really cheat?
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Darkman124 15 hours ago#14
clearaflagrantj posted...
Not everybody is 6' with an attractive face and a well paying job. 80/20 rule, 80% of women have sex with only the top 20% of men, and within that 20% subset 4% are having sex with the top 96% of women.


kinsey report shows that only 10% of women are actually having frequent sex outside relationships

so it's more of a 8/2 rule really
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Leanaunfurled 15 hours ago#15
clearaflagrantj posted...
Darkman124 posted...
some men learned to adjust and found that there are other ways to get respect and sex that are not socialized into us (physical fitness and grooming)

Not everybody is 6' with an attractive face and a well paying job. 80/20 rule, 80% of women have sex with only the top 20% of men, and within that 20% subset 4% are having sex with the top 96% of women.

The tables turn quick at 30+ when women realize their looks are fading as if they gazed into the lost Ark and their eggs are disappearing fast. Then it's time to settle down with the beta and get married.

Good lord just shut up
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Mernardi 15 hours ago#16
Leanaunfurled posted...
clearaflagrantj posted...
Darkman124 posted...
some men learned to adjust and found that there are other ways to get respect and sex that are not socialized into us (physical fitness and grooming)

Not everybody is 6' with an attractive face and a well paying job. 80/20 rule, 80% of women have sex with only the top 20% of men, and within that 20% subset 4% are having sex with the top 96% of women.

The tables turn quick at 30+ when women realize their looks are fading as if they gazed into the lost Ark and their eggs are disappearing fast. Then it's time to settle down with the beta and get married.

Good lord just shut up
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Xeno14 15 hours ago#17
lack of male role models
teacher bias against male students. from fundamentally not understanding the difference in male and female behavior, to outright grading them harsher
Darkman124 posted...
clearaflagrantj posted...
Not everybody is 6' with an attractive face and a well paying job. 80/20 rule, 80% of women have sex with only the top 20% of men, and within that 20% subset 4% are having sex with the top 96% of women.


kinsey report shows that only 10% of women are actually having frequent sex outside relationships

so it's more of a 8/2 rule really

That doesn't really argue against my point that women only have sex with the 8/10's and up.
Darkman124 15 hours ago#19
clearaflagrantj posted...
That doesn't really argue against my point that women only have sex with the 8/10's and up.


it very much does

the kinsey report shows us that approximately the same numbers of women and men are having sex at the same rate across the board, except for 10% of women who have very frequent sex when single with a much smaller number of men having sex when single

this is largely condensed in the 20-30 age group which is where promiscuity is highest in both genders
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Feline_Heart 15 hours ago#20
clearaflagrantj posted...
Darkman124 posted...
some men learned to adjust and found that there are other ways to get respect and sex that are not socialized into us (physical fitness and grooming)

Not everybody is 6' with an attractive face and a well paying job. 80/20 rule, 80% of women have sex with only the top 20% of men, and within that 20% subset 4% are having sex with the top 96% of women.

The tables turn quick at 30+ when women realize their looks are fading as if they gazed into the lost Ark and their eggs are disappearing fast. Then it's time to settle down with the beta and get married.

It must be sad being delusional like this
ROD 15 hours ago#21
Why do some people react so aggressively/defensively when somebody brings up the discontent that some maladjusted males feel in our society? 

I mean they might be right or wrong, but usually they're met with " replies along the lines of "SHUT THE f*** UP YOU SEXIST EVIL NECKBEARD s***LORD REDPILL PIG", and most times they're unwarranted.
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Asherlee10 15 hours ago#22
Young men are dropping out of society? To what extent?
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Darkman124 15 hours ago#23
ROD posted...
Why do some people react so aggressively/defensively when somebody brings up the discontent that some maladjusted males feel in our society? 

I mean they might be right or wrong, but usually they're met with " replies along the lines of "SHUT THE f*** UP YOU SEXIST EVIL NECKBEARD s***LORD REDPILL PIG", and most times they're unwarranted.


mostly because clear is trolling and not trying to share any honest ideas
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ROD 15 hours ago#24
Asherlee10 posted...
Young men are dropping out of society? To what extent?


I take he means becoming like japan's "herbivore men"
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Darkman124 15 hours ago#25
Asherlee10 posted...
Young men are dropping out of society? To what extent?


lowest workforce participation rate in ~30 years IIRC, also their college attendance rate has not really improved in a long time
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Asherlee10 15 hours ago#26
Darkman124 posted...
Asherlee10 posted...
Young men are dropping out of society? To what extent?


lowest workforce participation rate in ~30 years IIRC, also their college attendance rate has not really improved in a long time


Huh... I did not know this. 

What do you think the impact is in the long run?
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Offworlder1 15 hours ago#27
This topic is going places.
"Always two there are, a master and an apprentice"
Darkman124 posted...
Asherlee10 posted...
Young men are dropping out of society? To what extent?


lowest workforce participation rate in ~30 years IIRC, also their college attendance rate has not really improved in a long time

1. Less jobs for everyone, youngest people get the shaft 

2. Women are admitted more often because of "muh equality"
Darkman124 15 hours ago#29
Asherlee10 posted...

Huh... I did not know this. 

What do you think the impact is in the long run?


significantly fewer people ever marrying. estimates are something like one in four men and women will be unmarried by the time they are 50

probably reduced economic growth in the long term, something we've already seen
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Asherlee10 15 hours ago#30
Great...
"Opinions should be a result of a thought, not a substitute for it."
Darkman124 15 hours ago#31
Offworlder1 posted...
This topic is going places.


i am trying super hard to bring it somewhere useful
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Darkman124 posted...
Offworlder1 posted...
This topic is going places.


i am trying super hard to bring it somewhere useful

Not on my watch
ROD 15 hours ago#34
Darkman124 posted...
Asherlee10 posted...
Young men are dropping out of society? To what extent?


lowest workforce participation rate in ~30 years IIRC, also their college attendance rate has not really improved in a long time


I have a theory about this.

In the past people with many different skillsets could earn a living: You have journalists, you have writers, you have psychologists, etc.

Nowadays many of these occupations have disappeared because people stopped valuing them ("who cares about journalistic integrity? Have some idiot write as fast as he can and with typos! We just need to be breaking news!" or "mental health? LMAO") or they're getting automated.

Now it's all STEM or bust, and not everybody is made for STEM, so bust it is
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Offworlder1 15 hours ago#35
It is pointless to force people into accepting that men are being screwed over by sociaty more now then the past decades. No one can be forced to take the red pill, they have to experience their life getting royally screwed up or see a friend's life end up this way.
"Always two there are, a master and an apprentice"
Paper_Okami 15 hours ago#36
Because most people piss me off, so I read comics, and listen to music, and watch sports instead.
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Mystere 15 hours ago#38
Seems more like SOCIETY is dropping out of society. Go outside and notice how empty it is compared to when you were a kid. Even on an awesome summer day.

Why the f*** does 99% of the population stay inside?
Tappor 15 hours ago#39
Darkman124 posted...
Offworlder1 posted...
This topic is going places.


i am trying super hard to bring it somewhere useful

just give in and realize that it's heading to s***post Pit
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Asherlee10 15 hours ago#40
Offworlder1 posted...
No one can be forced to take the red pill


I really, really hate this reference and it's association now.
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Darkman124 15 hours ago#41
clearaflagrantj posted...

Not on my watch


ok i laughed at this
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I would say, among other things, the internet makes it easier to find and interact with like minded people and there's less shaming for living in perpetual adolescence.
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voldothegr8 15 hours ago#43
Mystere posted...
Seems more like SOCIETY is dropping out of society. Go outside and notice how empty it is compared to when you were a kid. Even on an awesome summer day.

Why the f*** does 99% of the population stay inside?

Besides the obvious videogames and internet, child nappers pretty much ruined parents letting kids roam the neighborhood. Now parents get arrested if they let kids roam outside.
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BlazinBlue88 15 hours ago#44
clearaflagrantj posted...
Darkman124 posted...
Offworlder1 posted...
This topic is going places.


i am trying super hard to bring it somewhere useful

Not on my watch

lmao
Mernardi 15 hours ago#45
Offworlder1 posted...
It is pointless to force people into accepting that men are being screwed over by sociaty more now then the past decades. No one can be forced to take the red pill, they have to experience their life getting royally screwed up or see a friend's life end up this way.

Or you can take responsibility for why your life sucks (if it does suck), identity the problem, and fix it. 

I'm tired of people crying that their life sucks when they put no effort into making it better.
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Darkman124 15 hours ago#46
ROD posted...
Darkman124 posted...
Asherlee10 posted...
Young men are dropping out of society? To what extent?


lowest workforce participation rate in ~30 years IIRC, also their college attendance rate has not really improved in a long time


I have a theory about this.

In the past people with many different skillsets could earn a living: You have journalists, you have writers, you have psychologists, etc.

Nowadays many of these occupations have disappeared because people stopped valuing them ("who cares about journalistic integrity? Have some idiot write as fast as he can and with typos! We just need to be breaking news!" or "mental health? LMAO") or they're getting automated.

Now it's all STEM or bust, and not everybody is made for STEM, so bust it is


there is some logic to this theory. even within STEM, life sciences are getting pounded hard; a BS in biology gets you a 30k/year job. very disturbing.

interestingly, english/editing jobs are actually significantly more valuable now than they used to be as govt proposals are more and more competitive
And when the hourglass has run out, eternity asks you about only one thing: whether you have lived in despair or not.
Mystere 15 hours ago#47
voldothegr8 posted...
Mystere posted...
Seems more like SOCIETY is dropping out of society. Go outside and notice how empty it is compared to when you were a kid. Even on an awesome summer day.

Why the f*** does 99% of the population stay inside?

Besides the obvious videogames and internet, child nappers pretty much ruined parents letting kids roam the neighborhood. Now parents get arrested if they let kids roam outside.

Yeah but it goes further. I barely even see people in their yards.
Offworlder1 15 hours ago#48
A lot of male shaming here, kinda sad to be honest.
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WizardPowers 15 hours ago#49
Probably because like 100% of people aged 15-30 either have divorced parents or have multiple friends with divorced parents. Marriage is a gamble for men. If you win, you maybe get a happy life(not guaranteed). If she divorces you, your life is ruined. 

Why risk 1/2 of everything you'll ever earn when there is like a 1 in 2 chance the woman you marry will f*** you over?
Balrog0 15 hours ago#50
to give the topic some context:
https://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2016/07/what-are-young-non-working-men-doing/492890/

In the 2000s, employment rates for young men with less than a four-year degree dropped sharply – more than in any other group. We have determined that, in general, they are not going back to school or switching careers, so what are they doing with their time? The hours that they are not working have been replaced almost one for one with leisure time. Seventy-five percent of this new leisure time falls into one category: video games...

And they are having fun, Hurst emphasized. “Happiness surveys actually indicate that they [are] quite content compared to their peers,” he told UChicago. In the short run, not working doesn’t seem to make men miserable at all.
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    STEM is a myth, Science and Math don't even get you a job anymore, half of Engineering doesn't guarantee anything, entry salaries are abysmal these days, ~40K.

    The STEM shortage was a myth spread to create an oversaturated labor pool for companies to pick from. It worked.
    Xeno14 15 hours ago#52
    Darkman124 posted...
    ROD posted...
    Darkman124 posted...
    Asherlee10 posted...
    Young men are dropping out of society? To what extent?


    lowest workforce participation rate in ~30 years IIRC, also their college attendance rate has not really improved in a long time


    I have a theory about this.

    In the past people with many different skillsets could earn a living: You have journalists, you have writers, you have psychologists, etc.

    Nowadays many of these occupations have disappeared because people stopped valuing them ("who cares about journalistic integrity? Have some idiot write as fast as he can and with typos! We just need to be breaking news!" or "mental health? LMAO") or they're getting automated.

    Now it's all STEM or bust, and not everybody is made for STEM, so bust it is


    there is some logic to this theory. even within STEM, life sciences are getting pounded hard; a BS in biology gets you a 30k/year job. very disturbing.

    interestingly, english/editing jobs are actually significantly more valuable now than they used to be as govt proposals are more and more competitive

    my chemistry bs got me a job offers at an entire $14/hr
    why thats just $2 more then the manager at gamestop makes
    Balrog0 15 hours ago#53
    Xeno14 posted...
    my chemistry bs got me a job offers at an entire $14/hr
    why thats just $2 more then the manager at gamestop makes


    not bad
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    Offworlder1 15 hours ago#54
    Balrog0 posted...
    Xeno14 posted...
    my chemistry bs got me a job offers at an entire $14/hr
    why thats just $2 more then the manager at gamestop makes


    not bad
    He's making the big bucks, this high rolling baller.
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    ROD 15 hours ago#55
    clearaflagrantj posted...
    STEM is a myth, Science and Math don't even get you a job anymore, half of Engineering doesn't guarantee anything, entry salaries are abysmal these days, ~40K.

    The STEM shortage was a myth spread to create an oversaturated labor pool for companies to pick from. It worked.


    Of course.

    Big companies create a false narrative that there is a STEM shortage in order to saturate the market with more offer than demand and thus lower wages. They also flood the market on purpose with cheap underqualified workers from overseas to further saturate the market.
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    Xeno14 15 hours ago#56
    Balrog0 posted...
    Xeno14 posted...
    my chemistry bs got me a job offers at an entire $14/hr
    why thats just $2 more then the manager at gamestop makes


    not bad

    maybe in Arkansas. I live in new jersey
    Balrog0 15 hours ago#57
    thats still pretty close to the median per capita income in jersey bro

    for a fresh college grad?

    ce and its skewed perceptions of success smh
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    dameon_reaper 15 hours ago#58
    Rather than blaming the opposite sex, I'll just say that I had no role model for when I was younger and I slowly disappeared from society and have no clue how to act in social situations. I come off as weird and sometimes annoying and when i do have a crush on someone, its like I try to create attention which probably withdraws it.

    I've gotten better about it. I've actually become quite a comedian in my workplace and many think I'm funny but obviously I'm not attractive but I'm a nice capable guy who seems to be responsible but I just don't know what I would do if I found myself in a situation where I had to...woo.

    I've gotten most of my girlfriends by meeting them online first. They end up enjoying my awkward funny nature but I think its because we seem to be so very similar.
    Darkman124 15 hours ago#59
    Xeno14 posted...

    my chemistry bs got me a job offers at an entire $14/hr
    why thats just $2 more then the manager at gamestop makes


    yeesh

    as an aerospace engineer with a master's i started at 82k

    Balrog0 posted...

    ce and its skewed perceptions of success smh


    idk. i expected to make what i make.

    but admittedly i also researched it to set those expectations
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    Rob Cesternino 15 hours ago#60
    http://www.businessinsider.com/baby-boomers-caused-millennials-destructive-spending-habits-2017-6
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    Darkman124 15 hours ago#61
    Rob Cesternino posted...
    http://www.businessinsider.com/baby-boomers-caused-millennials-destructive-spending-habits-2017-6


    this is going to be another consequence: that generation of withdrawn men is 100x more frugal

    when youre not with a woman you dont go on expensive dinner dates
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    Wotswayla 15 hours ago#62
    clearaflagrantj posted...
    - We can't get jobs even with advanced degrees 

    - We can't afford houses, rent costs too much 

    - We see that marriage usually f***s us over, women can (and will) cheat on us and take half of everything 

    - Children are overexpensive s*** factories that destroy your dreams 

    - Video games are extremely cheap and more fun that paying $22 for two drinks and getting called a creep by ugly THOTs at the bar 

    It's simple really.

    You see I was with you up until the women part. No need to be sexist man
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    Xeno14 15 hours ago#63
    Offworlder1 posted...
    Balrog0 posted...
    Xeno14 posted...
    my chemistry bs got me a job offers at an entire $14/hr
    why thats just $2 more then the manager at gamestop makes


    not bad
    He's making the big bucks, this high rolling baller.

    i do quite well now, but i'm not really using much in the chemistry department aside from a few water decontamination chemicals. 
    My job is more sales then anything, though it helps to have technical knowledge when you are asked questions from a customer like Boeing or the VA
    Balrog0 15 hours ago#64
    Darkman124 posted...
    when youre not with a woman you dont go on expensive dinner dates


    I literally spend more on one vacation with the girlfriend than I would on an entire year's worth of leisure activities for myself
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    Darkman124 15 hours ago#65
    Balrog0 posted...
    Darkman124 posted...
    when youre not with a woman you dont go on expensive dinner dates


    I literally spend more on one vacation with the girlfriend than I would on an entire year's worth of leisure activities for myself


    sounds about right

    our trip to scotland was f***ing expensive as hell, and when we go to sandals it's $3000 for a week

    i dont understand how some of my college friends are constantly jetsetting, then i remember mom and dad pay for it

    this summer she wants to do a professional photoshoot because she's lost some weight

    and im just like wtf why would i want professional photos of my lumpy ass body right now?
    And when the hourglass has run out, eternity asks you about only one thing: whether you have lived in despair or not.
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    Feline_Heart 15 hours ago#66
    Darkman124 posted...
    Balrog0 posted...
    Darkman124 posted...
    when youre not with a woman you dont go on expensive dinner dates


    I literally spend more on one vacation with the girlfriend than I would on an entire year's worth of leisure activities for myself


    sounds about right

    our trip to scotland was f***ing expensive as hell, and when we go to sandals it's $3000 for a week

    i dont understand how some of my college friends are constantly jetsetting, then i remember mom and dad pay for it

    this summer she wants to do a professional photoshoot because she's lost some weight

    and im just like wtf why would i want professional photos of my lumpy ass body right now?

    backpacking and staying in hostels makes it a lot cheaper
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    NOM 15 hours ago#67
    Can't get a well paying job even with a degree

    Rent is too expensive

    Everything is too expensive

    If you're not good looking and 6' or over you get no play regardless unless you pay for it

    Especially if you have a shy personality

    It just makes you want to withdraw into yourself because it hurts too much out there. Especially the rejection. An example for me would be: I used to think my boss and I were pretty decent friends, we could joke around and there was seemingly always mutual respect... until I found out from a mutual friend that she thinks I'm creepy and is uncomfortable around me. Yet she'll smile to my face and all that. So I've stopped joking with her and trying to get her respect because why bother? I already know what she truly thinks about me.

    It's just, why try when you're dealt with all the bad things I've been dealt with?
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    Solid Snake07 15 hours ago#68
    It's important to note that not all young men are. Not even most of them.

    For the ones that have, a combination of a lot of factors. unmotivated, lazy, the internet, pornography, video games. all of those things are part of it.
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    Balrog0 15 hours ago#69
    Im really shy and short and fat

    no sympathy for these people who are sad about being alone

    the headline to me is that men today are just as happy as they were when they all worked, maybe more so

    sadsacks would have been sadsacks before too
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    ROD 15 hours ago#70
    Balrog0 posted...
    Im really shy and short and fat

    no sympathy for these people who are sad about being alone

    the headline to me is that men today are just as happy as they were when they all worked, maybe more so

    sadsacks would have been sadsacks before too


    how short?
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    Mystere posted...
    Seems more like SOCIETY is dropping out of society. Go outside and notice how empty it is compared to when you were a kid. Even on an awesome summer day.

    Why the f*** does 99% of the population stay inside?


    Summer days are in the 80s or 90s with high humidity. 70s/low 80s with low humidity is fine. Even temps as low as 60-65 with high humidity are intolerable. Using awesome as a term to describe anything in summer (other than air conditioning) is a fallacy.
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    Conflict  refugee love block me15 hours ago#72
    Balrog0 posted...
    Im really shy and short and fat

    no sympathy for these people who are sad about being alone

    the headline to me is that men today are just as happy as they were when they all worked, maybe more so

    sadsacks would have been sadsacks before too


    Your inability to have empathy and think outside your own personal bubble doesn't really do you any favors
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    thanosibe 15 hours ago#73
    WizardPowers posted...
    Probably because like 100% of people aged 15-30 either have divorced parents or have multiple friends with divorced parents. Marriage is a gamble for men. If you win, you maybe get a happy life(not guaranteed). If she divorces you, your life is ruined. 

    Why risk 1/2 of everything you'll ever earn when there is like a 1 in 2 chance the woman you marry will f*** you over?
    Is marriage really that bad now? I was born in 77 and have only one friend I knew who had a step father, and one of my aunts divorced and remarried. I am not even sure now i know anyone that's been remarried, outside of the internet. I met my wife in 1999 and had/have never once felt like I needed to worry about divorces because we genuinely love each other.

    I know from threads on here that the dating game is scary af these days, and I am glad I don't have to get in it. But was it when I was dating in the 90's and I just got lucky cause I only dated a few times before I met my wife, and none of them were heart wrenching? I dunno, but it'd be interesting to hear some perspective if anyone wants to share it.
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    AlephZero 15 hours ago#74
    the average man is unf***able 

    the average woman gets blasted by limitless chad dick
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    Conflict  refugee love block me15 hours ago#75
    AlephZero posted...
    the average man is unf***able 

    the average woman gets blasted by limitless chad dick


    R/incel is that way ----->
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    Frosted_Midna 15 hours ago#76
    To be honest, I have no idea. But I do believe that I am too ugly to date anyone.
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    Tappor 15 hours ago#77
    Conflict posted...
    AlephZero posted...
    the average man is unf***able 

    the average woman gets blasted by limitless chad dick


    R/incel is that way ----->
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    WizardPowers 15 hours ago#78
    thanosibe posted...
    Is marriage really that bad now?


    However, about 40 to 50 percent of married couples in the United States divorce. The divorce rate for subsequent marriages is even higher.


    That is for 2016. I assume it will only get worse as time goes on.
    clearaflagrantj posted...
    STEM is a myth, Science and Math don't even get you a job anymore, half of Engineering doesn't guarantee anything, entry salaries are abysmal these days, ~40K.

    The STEM shortage was a myth spread to create an oversaturated labor pool for companies to pick from. It worked.


    The problem isn't STEM, it's people half assing STEM. You can bring a horse to water, but you can't make him drink it.

    Only the hardworking people and outliers get what they want.
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    Wotswayla 14 hours ago#80
    Tappor posted...
    Conflict posted...
    AlephZero posted...
    the average man is unf***able 

    the average woman gets blasted by limitless chad dick


    R/incel is that way ----->
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    Leanaunfurled 14 hours ago#81
    WizardPowers posted...
    thanosibe posted...
    Is marriage really that bad now?


    However, about 40 to 50 percent of married couples in the United States divorce. The divorce rate for subsequent marriages is even higher.


    That is for 2016. I assume it will only get worse as time goes on.

    It's actually been declining.
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    Coolppl Owns 14 hours ago#82
    Just CE being CE in this topic
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    Mernardi 14 hours ago#83
    Wotswayla posted...
    Tappor posted...
    Conflict posted...
    AlephZero posted...
    the average man is unf***able 

    the average woman gets blasted by limitless chad dick


    R/incel is that way ----->
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    emblem boy 14 hours ago#84
    What circle jerk do we have going on in here guys
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    AlephZero 14 hours ago#86
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    thanosibe 14 hours ago#87
    WizardPowers posted...
    thanosibe posted...
    Is marriage really that bad now?


    However, about 40 to 50 percent of married couples in the United States divorce. The divorce rate for subsequent marriages is even higher.


    That is for 2016. I assume it will only get worse as time goes on.
    Divorce in the US, from what I can remember, has always been an issue. And numbers from studies do give an indication of something. But divorces can also be mutual and not vapid. I maybe my fault for miss wording my post; I was more asking is marriage itself that bad? Are there really that many people unhappy in the marriage experience itself, that younger men are feeling that they just don't want to bother with the concept at all?
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    _Goggalor_ 14 hours ago#88
    Marriage is a f***ing nightmare for men. Why would you ever want to risk it for some ass?
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    GreatEvilEmpire posted...
    clearaflagrantj posted...
    STEM is a myth, Science and Math don't even get you a job anymore, half of Engineering doesn't guarantee anything, entry salaries are abysmal these days, ~40K.

    The STEM shortage was a myth spread to create an oversaturated labor pool for companies to pick from. It worked.


    The problem isn't STEM, it's people half assing STEM. You can bring a horse to water, but you can't make him drink it.

    Only the hardworking people and outliers get what they want.

    This is bulls***. Anybody that has earned a STEM degree has earned the right to a decent paying job, they have already worked hard enough. The problem is when they leave college they enter a job market that says "oh sorry best we can do is a 35K salary contract. No benefits." We have been told that if we work hard in school it will pay off for us, we have been lied to.
    emblem boy 14 hours ago#90
    clearaflagrantj posted...
    GreatEvilEmpire posted...
    clearaflagrantj posted...
    STEM is a myth, Science and Math don't even get you a job anymore, half of Engineering doesn't guarantee anything, entry salaries are abysmal these days, ~40K.

    The STEM shortage was a myth spread to create an oversaturated labor pool for companies to pick from. It worked.


    The problem isn't STEM, it's people half assing STEM. You can bring a horse to water, but you can't make him drink it. 

    Only the hardworking people and outliers get what they want.

    This is bulls***. Anybody that has earned a STEM degree has earned the right to a decent paying job, they have already worked hard enough. The problem is when they leave college they enter a job market that says "oh sorry best we can do is a 35K salary contract. No benefits." We have been told that if we work hard in school it will pay off for us, we have been lied to.




    What's a decent paying job mean?

    Man, going through my EE degree, it's not that difficult to half ass your way to the degree. I mean, ya you can get a job but it might not be the most technical job out there. I got a job in analog and some digital circuit design and thinking back to my classes, many classmates were for sure not strong in those areas.
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    IllegalAlien 14 hours ago#91
    Think about it, what jobs actually require basic (undergraduate) knowledge about Biology or Geology? Now take that half dozen list you've pre-emptively gathered and think about how many companies actually need a constant influx of new talent.
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    IllegalAlien 14 hours ago#92
    emblem boy posted...
    clearaflagrantj posted...
    GreatEvilEmpire posted...
    clearaflagrantj posted...
    STEM is a myth, Science and Math don't even get you a job anymore, half of Engineering doesn't guarantee anything, entry salaries are abysmal these days, ~40K. 

    The STEM shortage was a myth spread to create an oversaturated labor pool for companies to pick from. It worked.


    The problem isn't STEM, it's people half assing STEM. You can bring a horse to water, but you can't make him drink it. 

    Only the hardworking people and outliers get what they want.

    This is bulls***. Anybody that has earned a STEM degree has earned the right to a decent paying job, they have already worked hard enough. The problem is when they leave college they enter a job market that says "oh sorry best we can do is a 35K salary contract. No benefits." We have been told that if we work hard in school it will pay off for us, we have been lied to.




    What's a decent paying job mean?

    Man, going through my EE degree, it's not that difficult to half ass your way to the degree. I mean, ya you can get a job but it might not be the most technical job out there. I got a job in analog and some digital circuit design and thinking back to my classes, many classmates were for sure not strong in those areas.

    Word. As someone who graded almost half a thousand students in the past year it didn't really hit me until the last final I graded that these students are actually perfectly okay with a C. I never really realized this and I graded harshly (held students to a high standard) since my school is well known for the program I'm in.
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    weapon_d00d816 14 hours ago#93
    The instant gratification and progressive nature of video games (as in, working towards constant new goals) almost completely takes out the drive to succeed in real life, especially considering just how much more it's stacked in favor of those already successful. Social customs are changing faster than society can accommodate them.
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    Kineth  BLM sympathizer14 hours ago#94
    I don't think men are dropping out of society at all.
    If you're not looking for any honest discussion, agreement, meeting halfway or middle ground, don't bother arguing with me. Selfish narcissists need not apply.
    voldothegr8 14 hours ago#95
    clearaflagrantj posted...
    GreatEvilEmpire posted...
    clearaflagrantj posted...
    STEM is a myth, Science and Math don't even get you a job anymore, half of Engineering doesn't guarantee anything, entry salaries are abysmal these days, ~40K.

    The STEM shortage was a myth spread to create an oversaturated labor pool for companies to pick from. It worked.


    The problem isn't STEM, it's people half assing STEM. You can bring a horse to water, but you can't make him drink it.

    Only the hardworking people and outliers get what they want.

    This is bulls***. Anybody that has earned a STEM degree has earned the right to a decent paying job, they have already worked hard enough. The problem is when they leave college they enter a job market that says "oh sorry best we can do is a 35K salary contract. No benefits." We have been told that if we work hard in school it will pay off for us, we have been lied to.

    Most fields aren't going to pay fat stacks straight out of college, you have to earn your keep and move up the ladder for that.
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    MutantJohn 14 hours ago#97
    clearaflagrantj posted...
    STEM is a myth, Science and Math don't even get you a job anymore, half of Engineering doesn't guarantee anything, entry salaries are abysmal these days, ~40K.

    The STEM shortage was a myth spread to create an oversaturated labor pool for companies to pick from. It worked.

    This actually seems largely true
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    JerickoX 14 hours ago#98
    FYI anyone quoting the Kinsey Report, that book was written in 1948 (fitting). We're talking about trends that developed at the start of the civil rights era, and are now normative.

    Today's modern women use men to get "stuff." Period. This happens when there's a too high male to female ratio, when women compete with men for jobs, and when 10% of the men hold 90% of the resources. Weve basically returned to a syrfs and lords paradigm, where a family with children is reserved for the afluent.

    Back in the 40s and 50s, women genuinely married for love. The idea of strength within the family was honored. Nowadays, women have no respect for marriage, their children, or even themselves. So, men have to play a constant balancing act with someone impossible to please. The only way to find true peace and happiness is to stop worrying about it. 

    In fact, men are better off today focusing on their ambitions. Most of those 10%ers were once lonely, and aggressive men who got tired of playing to lose. The reason they're able to pick and choose is because women are a means, not the goal.
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    weapon_d00d816 14 hours ago#99
    In fact I can say with almost 100% confidence that society is slowly transitioning into a "matrix" type of society within the next 100-200 years. People are learning that the virtual world is more satisfying than reality. When near-total automation kicks in, there will be little reason to live in reality. It's going to continue on this path unless we treat video games like a recreational drug. Or if society collapses before the automation revolution.
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    Leanaunfurled posted...
    is this topic about suicide or something?
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      Tmaster148 14 hours ago#101
      thanosibe posted...
      WizardPowers posted...
      thanosibe posted...
      Is marriage really that bad now?


      However, about 40 to 50 percent of married couples in the United States divorce. The divorce rate for subsequent marriages is even higher.


      That is for 2016. I assume it will only get worse as time goes on.
      Divorce in the US, from what I can remember, has always been an issue. And numbers from studies do give an indication of something. But divorces can also be mutual and not vapid. I maybe my fault for miss wording my post; I was more asking is marriage itself that bad? Are there really that many people unhappy in the marriage experience itself, that younger men are feeling that they just don't want to bother with the concept at all?


      There's also the fact this stat factors people who are have gotten remarried after a divorce because people who get a divorce are also more likely to get divorced again. Complaining about marriage because of the divorce rate is silly because there's far too many factors and people getting out of bad marriages is a good thing.
      Balrog0 14 hours ago#102
      one weird thing I've noticed about BLS data

      the labor force participation rate for 16 to 19 year olds has plummeted and it seems mostly unrelated to the great recession

      prior to 2000 it was consistently above 50%, but since the dot com bubble burst it has consistently gone down -- right now it's only about 35%
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      Balrog0 14 hours ago#103
      well its not weird, I just thought it was interesting
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      Awesome 14 hours ago#104
      loss of the family structure is the 1st domino to fall
      JerickoX 14 hours ago#105
      Tmaster148 posted...
      thanosibe posted...
      WizardPowers posted...
      thanosibe posted...
      Is marriage really that bad now?


      However, about 40 to 50 percent of married couples in the United States divorce. The divorce rate for subsequent marriages is even higher.


      That is for 2016. I assume it will only get worse as time goes on.
      Divorce in the US, from what I can remember, has always been an issue. And numbers from studies do give an indication of something. But divorces can also be mutual and not vapid. I maybe my fault for miss wording my post; I was more asking is marriage itself that bad? Are there really that many people unhappy in the marriage experience itself, that younger men are feeling that they just don't want to bother with the concept at all?


      There's also the fact this stat factors people who are have gotten remarried after a divorce because people who get a divorce are also more likely to get divorced again. Complaining about marriage because of the divorce rate is silly because there's far too many factors and people getting out of bad marriages is a good thing.


      1) Divorce rate is like 90% these days.

      2) Marriage is geared towards a woman, and gives her the right to manipulate her husband at the cost of his comfort, his social reputation, and how his children perceive him. A married man's entire existence is reliant on how happy his wife is -- no one cares about him. 

      3) Divorced men on the other hand, are given free reign to focus on themselves, but only after the court system has taken everything away.

      So, untill this changes, men are better off just focusing on themselves. Not by sitting around and doing nothing, but by formulating a relationship with their dreams and ambition. Today, women just get in the way.
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      Ivany2008 14 hours ago#106
      Speaking from personal experience, I find that I just get depressed when real life hits me up. Sure I go out and have fun with my friends, but dating is pretty much nonexistent. I'm not a bad looking person by any means, maybe a 6, 7 tops out of 10, but people expect way too much when it comes to dating.

      I don't get much time to go out and have fun as I have too many bills to pay. I was one of the lucky ones to have his family help pay for a mortgage on a house, so I don't have to worry about paying off someone elses mortgage, but even still, I'm working a good 6/7 days a week and when I'm done I just go home and sleep or play the odd video game.

      And unfortunately my dating life has been strict to dating websites like POF which is an experience in of itself. The two main women I seem to attract are the ones who have already had kids(which I don't mind, but it usually also has them not taking care of themselves because they can't afford it. Last woman I went out with had broken teeth and rotting teeth), or crazy women(A woman literally asked me to get her pregnant on the 5th date and when I said no she sent me a fairly lengthy message on PoF of how I will never be happy and that I'm scum)

      It doesn't help that I don't have a great job even though I've been to college a couple times(but never finished due to having extremely bad attention issues which the professors didn't want to help out with.

      But I digress. I myself just find myself a lot happier when I'm sitting at home alone(or with a friend) as stuff like POF and the real world have just about drove me over the edge.

      I'm taking a break from POF to get myself back in sorts for a little while, probably 2 years, after I finish up my business course which I'm doing online to keep distractions to a minimum.
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      Balrog0 14 hours ago#107
      I don't think that divorce has anything to do with it, at least not directly

      its all about the technology
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      ROD 14 hours ago#108
      Conflict posted...
      AlephZero posted...
      the average man is unf***able 

      the average woman gets blasted by limitless chad dick


      R/incel is that way ----->


      glad you went there first so you could point him out the way
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      Leanaunfurled 14 hours ago#109
      JerickoX posted...
      1) Divorce rate is like 90% these days.

      2) Marriage is geared towards a woman, and gives her the right to manipulate her husband at the cost of his comfort, his social reputation, and how his children perceive him. A married man's entire existence is reliant on how happy his wife is -- no one cares about him. 

      3) Divorced men on the other hand, are given free reign to focus on themselves, but only after the court system has taken everything away.

      So, untill this changes, men are better off just focusing on themselves. Not by sitting around and doing nothing, but by formulating a relationship with their dreams and ambition. Today, women just get in the way.

      rofl
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      ROD 13 hours ago#110
      ImTheMacheteGuy posted...
      What is stem?


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      Thrillwell 13 hours ago#111
      You guys... take a shower, drive to the waterfront, let the breeze flow through your hair... and maybe have a nice hearty bowl of stfu.

      Too lazy? Start a topic about puppies then.
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      Ivany2008 13 hours ago#112
      if you knew what the waterfront smelled like in my city, you wouldn't be saying that lol
      Balrog0 13 hours ago#113
      oh yeah

      Conflict posted...
      Balrog0 posted...
      Im really shy and short and fat

      no sympathy for these people who are sad about being alone

      the headline to me is that men today are just as happy as they were when they all worked, maybe more so

      sadsacks would have been sadsacks before too


      Your inability to have empathy and think outside your own personal bubble doesn't really do you any favors


      I was mainly being facetious but it's really never been easier to find fulfillment in the dating world so it's not that I lack understanding of the plight some people face, but more that there's really nothing unique about out modern situation that makes it hard for men to succeed

      If anything I think the data is showing that for most people the issue in the past has been that there just wasn't anything fun to do that was affordable other than f***in'

      now-a-days men are getting "left behind" largely because we'd rather play vidja

      the subset of men who want a relationship but can't find one would have the same problem 20, 30, 40 years ago

      imho
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      JerickoX 13 hours ago#114
      Leanaunfurled posted...
      JerickoX posted...
      1) Divorce rate is like 90% these days.

      2) Marriage is geared towards a woman, and gives her the right to manipulate her husband at the cost of his comfort, his social reputation, and how his children perceive him. A married man's entire existence is reliant on how happy his wife is -- no one cares about him. 

      3) Divorced men on the other hand, are given free reign to focus on themselves, but only after the court system has taken everything away.

      So, untill this changes, men are better off just focusing on themselves. Not by sitting around and doing nothing, but by formulating a relationship with their dreams and ambition. Today, women just get in the way.

      rofl


      Laughing at the truth? I see. Maybe watching Ellen and posting on Tumblr will help ease the pain.
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      Conflict  refugee love block me13 hours ago#115
      ROD posted...
      Conflict posted...
      AlephZero posted...
      the average man is unf***able 

      the average woman gets blasted by limitless chad dick


      R/incel is that way ----->


      glad you went there first so you could point him out the way


      That didn't make any sense
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      ROD 13 hours ago#116
      ok
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      Conflict  refugee love block me13 hours ago#117
      Balrog0 posted...
      oh yeah

      Conflict posted...
      Balrog0 posted...
      Im really shy and short and fat

      no sympathy for these people who are sad about being alone

      the headline to me is that men today are just as happy as they were when they all worked, maybe more so

      sadsacks would have been sadsacks before too


      Your inability to have empathy and think outside your own personal bubble doesn't really do you any favors


      I was mainly being facetious but it's really never been easier to find fulfillment in the dating world so it's not that I lack understanding of the plight some people face, but more that there's really nothing unique about out modern situation that makes it hard for men to succeed

      If anything I think the data is showing that for most people the issue in the past has been that there just wasn't anything fun to do that was affordable other than f***in'

      now-a-days men are getting "left behind" largely because we'd rather play vidja

      the subset of men who want a relationship but can't find one would have the same problem 20, 30, 40 years ago

      imho


      Right, my point is just that it's understandable to be sad about being alone, whether you're shy, short and fat or outgoing, tall and fit
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      Soviet_Poland 13 hours ago#118
      These topics always make me laugh. What industry is poised to grow in the coming years? Healthcare.

      Baby boomers are getting old now.

      There are SO many careers in medicine that are stable and well paying, and there is a variety of "levels" if you don't want to stay in school forever like a doctor. Physician Assistants make 80-100k/yr and only go to school for 2 years post undergrad. Nursing is an undergraduate program. So many different kinds of technicians like respiratory technicians, surgical technicians, etc have their own specialized programs requiring no college (I believe) or if they do, then it's like a 12-18 month type of program afterwards. 

      Physical therapy, occupational therapy, you name it. So many different options for different backgrounds and interests. Healthcare is like 10% of all employment. Always ignored in these conversations.

      Maybe if CE didn't fixate on like the same three career options, they wouldn't feel like there is a lack of good paying jobs. Admittedly, it does take a bit of a "reality check" that maybe one's career should be something that's both needed and in high demand in society.

      It's not always the case, but these discussions often reveal one key point: terminating at the bachelor's level is rarely enough for the majority of real "careers." To expect a "job" out of undergrad if you weren't specifically trained for one is a bit risky. Higher education doesn't always guarantee better stability, but often times, the real careers do require it.
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      Leanaunfurled 13 hours ago#119
      JerickoX posted...
      Laughing at the truth? I see. Maybe watching Ellen and posting on Tumblr will help ease the pain.

      No, I'm laughing at extreme bitterness and pessimism with a dose of a hilariously inflated statistics figure.
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      Who are these men dropping out of society? Those weird alt-right incels? They don't offer anything to society anyway.
      Dagger32 13 hours ago#121
      Hmmm, this is an interesting topic. I kinda just want to see where it goes.
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      Soviet_Poland 13 hours ago#122
      Putting it another way: college is merely the stepping stone if one wants to go to a white collar professional program/school. Otherwise, trade school is probably better.

      Stop at the bachelor's level and you're just "undifferentiated" in terms of marketable skill sets. Sure, you can gain that work experience, but that takes years or decades to develop, and is difficult to even get a foot in the door during austere times such as these.

      Going to college for the sake of it is a great ideal, but treating it as a means to an end as a job is bad. In economic high points, someone can get away with it. But not right now. To adapt means to necessarily go into a program with specific training in mind (like a lot of careers in the medical field).
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      Balrog0 13 hours ago#123
      Soviet_Poland posted...
      Physical therapy, occupational therapy, you name it. So many different options for different backgrounds and interests. Healthcare is like 10% of all employment. Always ignored in these conversations.


      it's not that people ignore it, it's that this topic is about men and male employment, and men do not do care work

      people call it "pink collar" work
      https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/04/upshot/why-men-dont-want-the-jobs-done-mostly-by-women.html?_r=0

      Many unemployed men who did manual labor say they can’t take the time and make the effort to train for a new career because they have bills to pay. And they say they chose their original careers because they wanted to build things, not take care of people.

      Lawrence Katz, an economist at Harvard, has a term for this: “retrospective wait unemployment,” or “looking for the job you used to have.”

      “It’s not a skill mismatch, but an identity mismatch,” he said. “It’s not that they couldn’t become a health worker, it’s that people have backward views of what their identity is.”


      Jon Ray, 31, of Inez, Ky., was an electrician at a coal mine until it was shuttered a year ago. He applied unsuccessfully for maintenance and repair jobs, and got a job in manufacturing after enrolling in a program to learn how to operate computerized tools.

      Service-sector jobs weren’t an option, he said. “I couldn’t afford to go back to school,” he said. “And I’m used to working with my hands.”
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      thanosibe 13 hours ago#124
      Leanaunfurled posted...
      JerickoX posted...
      Laughing at the truth? I see. Maybe watching Ellen and posting on Tumblr will help ease the pain.

      No, I'm laughing at extreme bitterness and pessimism with a dose of a hilariously inflated statistics figure.
      Are this generation of women really to blame for the amount of anger they garner from men in this thread? I am asking a honest insight into what young women and men go through in the dating and marriage process and I feel like I am getting is a response from Zombie Pelican about how he feels about Nintendo.
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      Soviet_Poland 13 hours ago#125
      Balrog0 posted...

      it's not that people ignore it, it's that this topic is about men and male employment, and men do not do care work


      So man up and become a doctor (for those men)? Plenty health jobs aren't majority women though, like respiratory techs, where you're primarily working with your hands. It can be construed "machine like", and if any man is above "care work", they deserve to have their livelihoods be threatened for being such p******.
      "He has two neurons held together by a spirochete."
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      Dark_SilverX 13 hours ago#126
      clearaflagrantj posted...
      - We can't get jobs even with advanced degrees 

      - We can't afford houses, rent costs too much 

      - We see that marriage usually f***s us over, women can (and will) cheat on us and take half of everything 

      - Children are overexpensive s*** factories that destroy your dreams 

      - Video games are extremely cheap and more fun that paying $22 for two drinks and getting called a creep by ugly THOTs at the bar 

      It's simple really.

      I agree with that except for the video games part. Gaming is an expensive hobby.
      Cuckle doodle doo
      Leanaunfurled 13 hours ago#127
      thanosibe posted...
      Are this generation of women really to blame for the amount of anger they garner from men in this thread? I am asking a honest insight into what young women and men go through in the dating and marriage process and I feel like I am getting is a response from Zombie Pelican about how he feels about Nintendo.

      We're not all innocent lambs, but neither are men. There's a lot of f***ed up s*** in the legal system concerning marriage, divorce, child custody, and much more that people take advantage of and where innocent people get hurt. Happened around me as a child, but it was my dear daddy doing the damage and not my mother. There's a lot of sexism and double standards for both parties, in different ways, that screw us over. As I said, extreme bitterness and pessimism, especially concerning a group of people like an entire gender, is never the answer and hurts a whole lot f***ing more than it helps anything else.

      People who run around under their pity party cloud and wailing about how terrible all men or women are get zero s***s from me.
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      Balrog0 13 hours ago#128
      Soviet_Poland posted...
      So man up and become a doctor (for those men)? Plenty health jobs aren't majority women those, like respiratory techs, where you're primarily working with your hands. It can be construed "machine like", and if any man is above "care work", they deserve to have their livelihoods be threatened for being such p******.


      it's not about being judgey, I'm just telling you what the reality is

      there are a lot of think pieces about how whats holding men back from moving up the economic mobility ladder is that they are stuck thinking about themselves as whatever profession they used to be able to get without an education, rather than the kind of things they can get now, which they see themselves as being above because of a combination of the low pay and the type of work involved

      I don't mean to say it like it's a good thing, just pointing out it is a thing
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      Coffeebeanz 13 hours ago#129
      Soviet_Poland posted...
      Balrog0 posted...

      it's not that people ignore it, it's that this topic is about men and male employment, and men do not do care work


      So man up and become a doctor (for those men)? Plenty health jobs aren't majority women those, like respiratory techs, where you're primarily working with your hands. It can be construed "machine like", and if any man is above "care work", they deserve to have their livelihoods be threatened for being such p******.

      Don't become a doctor trust me
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      JerickoX 13 hours ago#130
      Leanaunfurled posted...
      JerickoX posted...
      Laughing at the truth? I see. Maybe watching Ellen and posting on Tumblr will help ease the pain.

      No, I'm laughing at extreme bitterness and pessimism with a dose of a hilariously inflated statistics figure.


      My point is that it's really high. But, I am anything but bitter. If anything, im choosing to opt out as a pretty attractive dude, fit, and very confident. This is from personal experience with modern women. If you're not 100% healthy, or have a well paying job women automatically assume that there's "something wrong with you." The man can sacrifice everything, but once that douche with the BMW comes along, it's like a flash of lightning, and she's gone. Sometimes not right away, but women tend to betray men when men are happy and satisfied.

      Maybe instead you should laugh at your own inability to look at the truth. Then again, you're actually laughing cause I'm right. Now, what are you having for bfast, cuckflakes or cuck-over-easy?
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      Soviet_Poland 13 hours ago#131
      Balrog0 posted...
      Soviet_Poland posted...
      So man up and become a doctor (for those men)? Plenty health jobs aren't majority women those, like respiratory techs, where you're primarily working with your hands. It can be construed "machine like", and if any man is above "care work", they deserve to have their livelihoods be threatened for being such p******.


      it's not about being judgey, I'm just telling you what the reality is

      there are a lot of think pieces about how whats holding men back from moving up the economic mobility ladder is that they are stuck thinking about themselves as whatever profession they used to be able to get without an education, rather than the kind of things they can get now, which they see themselves as being above because of a combination of the low pay and the type of work involved

      I don't mean to say it like it's a good thing, just pointing out it is a thing


      Fair enough
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      IllegalAlien 13 hours ago#132
      r/incels is hilarious and accurately depicts a segment of CE lmao
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      Asherlee10 13 hours ago#133
      JerickoX posted...
      Leanaunfurled posted...
      JerickoX posted...
      1) Divorce rate is like 90% these days.

      2) Marriage is geared towards a woman, and gives her the right to manipulate her husband at the cost of his comfort, his social reputation, and how his children perceive him. A married man's entire existence is reliant on how happy his wife is -- no one cares about him. 

      3) Divorced men on the other hand, are given free reign to focus on themselves, but only after the court system has taken everything away.

      So, untill this changes, men are better off just focusing on themselves. Not by sitting around and doing nothing, but by formulating a relationship with their dreams and ambition. Today, women just get in the way.

      rofl


      Laughing at the truth? I see. Maybe watching Ellen and posting on Tumblr will help ease the pain.


      1. Post a source for your ridiculous stat.
      2. You sound like a bitter misogynist. 
      3. See #2

      You simply have a bad attitude with no foundation of evidence to support your narrative.
      "Opinions should be a result of a thought, not a substitute for it."
      Soviet_Poland 13 hours ago#134
      Coffeebeanz posted...
      Soviet_Poland posted...
      Balrog0 posted...

      it's not that people ignore it, it's that this topic is about men and male employment, and men do not do care work


      So man up and become a doctor (for those men)? Plenty health jobs aren't majority women those, like respiratory techs, where you're primarily working with your hands. It can be construed "machine like", and if any man is above "care work", they deserve to have their livelihoods be threatened for being such p******.

      Don't become a doctor trust me


      I mean in terms of balanced lifestyle and economic factors in play here, a PA sounds like a great gig. It's still a provider, without a lot of the added hassle of being a doctor. 

      Though that was more in response to balrog's bringing up of the point of some men considering themselves above care work, where at least doctors are still (inappropriately) viewed as a boy's club (so bypasses their excuse for not going into it).

      But back to your original point, every time I feel like medicine has kicked my ass, I'm reminded that the grass isn't much greener elsewhere. At least I'll have a minimum of security and livlihood that's nearly guaranteed, where that isn't exactly commonplace anymore.

      And the elephant in the room is not to go into internal medicine, but I digress :p
      "He has two neurons held together by a spirochete."
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      Ivany2008 13 hours ago#135
      Asherlee10 posted...
      JerickoX posted...
      Leanaunfurled posted...
      JerickoX posted...
      1) Divorce rate is like 90% these days.

      2) Marriage is geared towards a woman, and gives her the right to manipulate her husband at the cost of his comfort, his social reputation, and how his children perceive him. A married man's entire existence is reliant on how happy his wife is -- no one cares about him. 

      3) Divorced men on the other hand, are given free reign to focus on themselves, but only after the court system has taken everything away.

      So, untill this changes, men are better off just focusing on themselves. Not by sitting around and doing nothing, but by formulating a relationship with their dreams and ambition. Today, women just get in the way.

      rofl


      Laughing at the truth? I see. Maybe watching Ellen and posting on Tumblr will help ease the pain.


      1. Post a source for your ridiculous stat.
      2. You sound like a bitter misogynist. 
      3. See #2

      You simply have a bad attitude with no foundation of evidence to support your narrative.



      Well, on a sort of related bit, I do see a lot of women walk around my grocery store not wearing wedding rings but have a kid or two....or three in tow.
      Dagger32 13 hours ago#136
      Balrog0 posted...
      Soviet_Poland posted...
      Physical therapy, occupational therapy, you name it. So many different options for different backgrounds and interests. Healthcare is like 10% of all employment. Always ignored in these conversations.


      it's not that people ignore it, it's that this topic is about men and male employment, and men do not do care work

      people call it "pink collar" work
      https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/04/upshot/why-men-dont-want-the-jobs-done-mostly-by-women.html?_r=0

      Many unemployed men who did manual labor say they can’t take the time and make the effort to train for a new career because they have bills to pay. And they say they chose their original careers because they wanted to build things, not take care of people.

      Lawrence Katz, an economist at Harvard, has a term for this: “retrospective wait unemployment,” or “looking for the job you used to have.”

      “It’s not a skill mismatch, but an identity mismatch,” he said. “It’s not that they couldn’t become a health worker, it’s that people have backward views of what their identity is.”


      Jon Ray, 31, of Inez, Ky., was an electrician at a coal mine until it was shuttered a year ago. He applied unsuccessfully for maintenance and repair jobs, and got a job in manufacturing after enrolling in a program to learn how to operate computerized tools.

      Service-sector jobs weren’t an option, he said. “I couldn’t afford to go back to school,” he said. “And I’m used to working with my hands.”



      Interesting article. It's true, women have had to deal with joining a male-dominated workforce. I work in IT Analysis, when I started 6 years ago I was the only female in a group of 6. The company has grown and now there are 5 females and 4 men system analysts. Women are taking what used to be men's jobs, so it's only fair if men do the same. Breaking the stereo-type is hard and can be intimidating though.
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      JerickoX 13 hours ago#137
      Soviet_Poland posted...
      Balrog0 posted...

      it's not that people ignore it, it's that this topic is about men and male employment, and men do not do care work


      So man up and become a doctor (for those men)? Plenty health jobs aren't majority women though, like respiratory techs, where you're primarily working with your hands. It can be construed "machine like", and if any man is above "care work", they deserve to have their livelihoods be threatened for being such p******.


      A man shouldn't persue a career just because. That is a sure fire way to lead into a life of failure, depression, and regret. You sound like someone who's been given opportunities from birth, and are quick to shame other men because too bad for them. You sound like a very snooty, elitist snob who's never had to try. No respect buddy. 

      Also, most people cannot just "man up" and become a doctor. Medical school is reserved for the rich, spoiled, and gifted. So quit pretending like it's just another profession for people to choose from. Life factors, circumstances, and just general luck play into how a man turns out. Women can supersede all of this by marrying up. Men are stuck with the hand they're given, so they're better off going all in (towards a dream), than playing for scraps (a stable paycheck).

      A p**** is someone who chases a paycheck. A man follows his dreams. Doctors, medical personnel, and engineers are some of the weakest, limp beta males on the planet.
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      Asherlee10 13 hours ago#138
      Ivany2008 posted...
      Well, on a sort of related bit, I do see a lot of women walk around my grocery store not wearing wedding rings but have a kid or two....or three in tow.


      What is this in reference of?
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      Leanaunfurled 13 hours ago#139
      Ivany2008 posted...
      Well, on a sort of related bit, I do see a lot of women walk around my grocery store not wearing wedding rings but have a kid or two....or three in tow.

      A lot of people have children out of wedlock (it's 2017) and single mothers are more prominent as well.
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      Ivany2008 13 hours ago#140
      Asherlee10 posted...
      Ivany2008 posted...
      Well, on a sort of related bit, I do see a lot of women walk around my grocery store not wearing wedding rings but have a kid or two....or three in tow.


      What is this in reference of?


      more or less the quote of Divorce is 90 percent. I don't know if that's actually true, but the amount of single women with kids in tow really does speak numbers.
      Dagger32 13 hours ago#141
      Ivany2008 posted...
      Asherlee10 posted...
      Ivany2008 posted...
      Well, on a sort of related bit, I do see a lot of women walk around my grocery store not wearing wedding rings but have a kid or two....or three in tow.


      What is this in reference of?


      more or less the quote of Divorce is 90 percent. I don't know if that's actually true, but the amount of single women with kids in tow really does speak numbers.


      Takes two to tango, for every single woman you see with kids there is also a single father.
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      Twinmold 13 hours ago#142
      The amount of bitter men whining about women in this topic explains so much about the attitudes and ideologies you see on this board. You start to get a good idea of what kind of people you're witnessing.
      Get your facts first, then you can distort them as you please. - Mark Twain
      Asherlee10 13 hours ago#143
      Ivany2008 posted...
      Asherlee10 posted...
      Ivany2008 posted...
      Well, on a sort of related bit, I do see a lot of women walk around my grocery store not wearing wedding rings but have a kid or two....or three in tow.


      What is this in reference of?


      more or less the quote of Divorce is 90 percent. I don't know if that's actually true, but the amount of single women with kids in tow really does speak numbers.


      You're making assumptions that they are single and just didn't wear their ring. I don't wear my ring every day, for example. 

      Also, spotting a few supposedly-single women with kids in a grocery store is not a testament to divorce rates. 

      Last, you're assuming that those women were married in the first place.
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      ManBeast462 13 hours ago#144
      Feminism is winning : (
      Leanaunfurled 13 hours ago#145
      Ivany2008 posted...
      Asherlee10 posted...
      Ivany2008 posted...
      Well, on a sort of related bit, I do see a lot of women walk around my grocery store not wearing wedding rings but have a kid or two....or three in tow.


      What is this in reference of?


      more or less the quote of Divorce is 90 percent. I don't know if that's actually true, but the amount of single women with kids in tow really does speak numbers.

      I'm still not understanding what you're saying, apologies. The divorce rate is also ~45%, and as I said earlier, statistics show it's been decreasing in recent years. The 90% rate claim is nothing but snort-milk-out-of-your-nose ridiculous.
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      Darkman124 13 hours ago#146
      JerickoX posted...
      FYI anyone quoting the Kinsey Report, that book was written in 1948 (fitting). We're talking about trends that developed at the start of the civil rights era, and are now normative.


      the kinsey report is updated every few years

      you are 100% wrong
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      Soviet_Poland 13 hours ago#147
      JerickoX posted...
      A man shouldn't persue a career just because. That is a sure fire way to lead into a life of failure, depression, and regret. You sound like someone who's been given opportunities from birth, and are quick to shame other men because too bad for them.


      Eh the second part is absolutely false. I was born into a really poor family with an early death, compared to my upper middle class peers that were "groomed" for medicine since birth, I went into it [originally] with noble intentions and had to break through a lot of barriers to get here. I worked full time through college on top of studying to get in while my "richer" peers had their parents pay for all of their living/food/expenses on top of expensive "prep" programs to ensure high success on entrance exams and the like. I basically had to network my way into even being given an opportunity to be looked at as an applicant.

      Medicine is kind of a f***ed up field in its own regard though, and no one should pursue being a doctor for money alone, because you're absolutely right--they'd be miserable.

      But my point wasn't centered around doctors only. Medicine does have "a little bit for everyone" so I'd find it hard pressed someone can't find a small niche inside where they'd at least enjoy it. Like technology/computers? Boom, radiology technician. Play with giant magnets and cool machines all day. There are like a hundred different options, doing a variety of tasks, some with patients, others not. 

      Basically, following your passion 100% leads people into possibly finding out there really isn't a market for that. People who "chase that paycheck" are equally unhappy. I think a healthy medium is going into the most "realistic" career that you enjoy that is also high demand. It may not be your #1 passion, but it affords you the ability to pursue certain passions as hobbies on the side. As long as you can more than stomach the "negatives" of the field, it's a recipe to balance the life stress of not making any money or the volatility of certain job securities versus pursuing what you want. 

      Sorry if that came off as snobish. I just want to stress we all grew up in an environment where we were told to chase our dreams, and so we necessarily have a bunch of bitter individuals who refuse to switch now, but complain at their lack of opportunity. I just think it's a bit more mature to compromise on that a little bit, and don't necessarily just pick a career "just because", but pick the best fit possible under these austere circumstances.

      If someone wants to be a screenplay writer, it's much smarter to become a contract lawyer and try and work in the performing industry to network your "side work" to make that happen. Barring you weren't given the one in a billion chance to be discovered randomly.
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      JerickoX 13 hours ago#148
      Twinmold posted...
      The amount of bitter men whining about women in this topic explains so much about the attitudes and ideologies you see on this board. You start to get a good idea of what kind of people you're witnessing.


      The issue is that you think we're bitter, when were actually speaking from experience. If we were bitter, we'd be trying to find "the one," while whining about how "all the good women are taken." Sound familiar feminists? Yeah. Lol.

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      IllegalAlien 13 hours ago#149
      JerickoX posted...
      Twinmold posted...
      The amount of bitter men whining about women in this topic explains so much about the attitudes and ideologies you see on this board. You start to get a good idea of what kind of people you're witnessing.


      The issue is that you think we're bitter, when were actually speaking from experience. If we were bitter, we'd be trying to find "the one," while whining about how "all the good women are taken." Sound familiar feminists? Yeah. Lol.

      You're never butter when you're free.

      Lmfao, you may not be butter but you're bitter af
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      Offworlder1 13 hours ago#150
      Don't date single mothers, they need to stay alone.
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