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July 14, 2017

Is the Trump Jr. debacle a nothing burger or is it an everything bagel?

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Mal_Fet 1 day ago#1
Which bread product do you believe it is - Results (138 votes)
It's a NOTHING burger!
48.55%
67
It's an EVERYTHING bagel!
51.45%
71
http://www.cnn.com/2017/07/11/politics/trump-jr-russia-lawyer-emails/index.html
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Frolex 1 day ago#3
Poor mal reduced to stealing duck bears gimmick
hockeybub89 1 day ago#4
cjsdowg 1 day ago#5
He literally admitted to trying to met with someone with ties to the another nation to get get dirt one his other political rival. 

How is this nohting ?
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Mal_Fet 1 day ago#6
cjsdowg posted...
He literally admitted to trying to met with someone with ties to the another nation to get get dirt one his other political rival. 

How is this nohting ?

I guess it depends on your idea of nothing

So if Hillary's meeting with the Ukrainian govt in her campaign was a nothing burger, then I guess this would be too.
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Omnislasher 1 day ago#7
hockeybub89 1 day ago#8
Mal_Fet posted...
cjsdowg posted...
He literally admitted to trying to met with someone with ties to the another nation to get get dirt one his other political rival. 

How is this nohting ?

I guess it depends on your idea of nothing

So if Hillary's meeting with the Ukrainian govt in her campaign was a nothing burger, then I guess this would be too.

Do you think that? Because both sound like something to me. Are you defending Hillary like the fair and balanced person you are?
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Doom_Art 1 day ago#9
Mal_Fet posted...
So if Hillary's meeting with the Ukrainian govt in her campaign was a nothing burger, then I guess this would be too.

literally but hillary
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cjsdowg 1 day ago#11
Mal_Fet posted...

So if Hillary's meeting with the Ukrainian govt in her campaign was a nothing burger, then I guess this would be too.


Stop watching fox , is that didn't happen. 

A political consultant, who had ties to the DNC , try to get information that way. And as of know there are no ties to Hillary at all from this. With Trump we have his Campaign Chairman and son at a meeting in order to get dirt. And Trump literally said we are going to have something big on Hillary .

Also forgot to add. If it did happen just like you said WHO CARES Hillary isn't the president .
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10. f***ING LIBERALS
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12. ARE YOU f***ING LIBERALS DONE WITH THESE BASELESS ACCUSATIONS AGAINST DONALD TRUMP JR?!
13. f***ING LIBERALS
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Mal_Fet 1 day ago#15
hockeybub89 posted...
Do you think that? Because both sound like something to me. Are you defending Hillary like the fair and balanced person you are?

I dont believe I've ever attacked Hillary for doing that

Since its legal
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Mal_Fet posted...
hockeybub89 posted...
Do you think that? Because both sound like something to me. Are you defending Hillary like the fair and balanced person you are?

I dont believe I've ever attacked Hillary for doing that

Since its legal

Are you sure it is legal? And your entire standard of being ok with something is its legality? You view everything like the defense attorney you aren't?
cjsdowg posted...
He literally admitted to trying to met with someone with ties to the another nation to get get dirt one his other political rival. 

How is this nohting ?


Did you write this in a fit of rage? I normally don't call out this kind of stuff, but damn.
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Mal_Fet 1 day ago#18
hockeybub89 posted...
Are you sure it is legal?

Yes

hockeybub89 posted...
And your entire standard of being ok with something is its legality?

No, but this is not illegal nor immoral in my personal estimation
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Vertania 1 day ago#19
It's an EVERYTHING bagel

...in that it's loaded with delicious BACKFIRE cream cheese.
Balrog0 1 day ago#20
neither of those things

jared kushner has the real problem, which is why he threw don jr under the bus by leaking this to make it seem like don jr was center stage despite he and manafort also being involved and failing to disclose
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lilORANG 1 day ago#21
Samurontai 1 day ago#22
I haven't seen Mal this triggered since I reminded him that he thought NATO didn't exist before 9/11

I'm pleasantly surprised
Darmik 1 day ago#23
It's another poop in the giant turd bowl that is the Trump Presidency.
Kind Regards,
Darmik
Samurontai 1 day ago#24
Capn Circus posted...
cjsdowg posted...
He literally admitted to trying to met with someone with ties to the another nation to get get dirt one his other political rival. 

How is this nohting ?


Did you write this in a fit of rage? I normally don't call out this kind of stuff, but damn.


I'd usually point s*** like that out, but as someone who types on an iPhone and whose autocorrect does really dumb s*** sometimes, I like to give people the benefit of the doubt lol
Mal_Fet posted...
hockeybub89 posted...
Are you sure it is legal?

Yes

hockeybub89 posted...
And your entire standard of being ok with something is its legality?

No, but this is not illegal nor immoral in my personal estimation

What makes you sure it is legal? Because a CEman and some questionable sources assert value means money? Do you also think "employed in steering a vehicle" means getting paid to drive cars?

Why do you not think it is immoral to attempt to work with a foreign government to dig up dirt on a political opponent for mutual gain? Answer without "But X Democrat".
lilORANG 1 day ago#26
Darmik posted...
It's another poop in the giant turd bowl that is the Trump Presidency.

The problem is, by now everyone is used to the bowl full of poop, so one extra turd doesn't seem so bad.
Mal_Fet 1 day ago#27
hockeybub89 posted...
What makes you sure it is legal?

... Because it's not illegal to get information from a foreign government. 

It's illegal for a campaign to get money from a foreign government, but information is fine.
Freedom is the right to tell people what they do not want to hear.
-George Orwell
Mal_Fet posted...
hockeybub89 posted...
What makes you sure it is legal?

... Because it's not illegal to get information from a foreign government. 

It's illegal for a campaign to get money from a foreign government, but information is fine.

How are your opponent's dirty little secrets not something of value?
Darmik 1 day ago#29
Mal_Fet posted...
hockeybub89 posted...
What makes you sure it is legal?

... Because it's not illegal to get information from a foreign government. 

It's illegal for a campaign to get money from a foreign government, but information is fine.


Contributions and donations by foreign nationals in connection with elections. A foreign national shall not, directly or indirectly, make a contribution or a donation of money or other thing of value, or expressly or impliedly promise to make a contribution or a donation, in connection with any Federal, State, or local election.


.https://www.law.cornell.edu/cfr/text/11/110.20

I guess we'll see. It's not like those emails tell the whole story anyway and I'm sure everything about it is being investigated.
Kind Regards,
Darmik
Mal_Fet 1 day ago#30
hockeybub89 posted...
How are your opponent's dirty little secrets not something of value?

Whether or not information has value is irrelevant to its legality
Freedom is the right to tell people what they do not want to hear.
-George Orwell
Balrog0 1 day ago#31
thing of value does mean more than money but info from other places probably doesnt qualify lol
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Balrog0 1 day ago#33
Mal_Fet posted...
Whether or not information has value is irrelevant to its legality


well now both sides just look stupid

if it were something of more clear electoral value -- like polling information and contact lists to be used for the campaign -- that would probably count

but general information that a candidate might use to beat an opponent isnt the same thing
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Mal_Fet posted...
hockeybub89 posted...
How are your opponent's dirty little secrets not something of value?

Whether or not information has value is irrelevant to its legality

Official documents from Russia seem to be things of value. And foreign nationals cannot provide things of value. Trump Jr tried to obtain something of value from a foreign national on behalf of their government for the political gain of both his father and Russia. 

You maintain that the proper response is "Nothing to see here even if it was secret for a while and Jr changed his story multiple times. Nothing worth asking questions about. Even if there was, but Hillary.
Darmik 1 day ago#35
At the very least the Trumps were being investigated for Russian ties. The NY Times found out that they have some sort of connection with Russians and they talked during the campaign about having dirt on Clinton. 

It's not like the investigation just stops there. Hell I'm sure the people actually investigating this stuff already knew this or know a lot more. The fun will begin with those guys present the results of their investigation. If anything it's surprising this much has leaked out already.
Kind Regards,
Darmik
UnholyMudcrab  needs big 31 day ago#36
Darmik posted...
Mal_Fet posted...
hockeybub89 posted...
What makes you sure it is legal?

... Because it's not illegal to get information from a foreign government. 

It's illegal for a campaign to get money from a foreign government, but information is fine.


Contributions and donations by foreign nationals in connection with elections. A foreign national shall not, directly or indirectly, make a contribution or a donation of money or other thing of value, or expressly or impliedly promise to make a contribution or a donation, in connection with any Federal, State, or local election.


.https://www.law.cornell.edu/cfr/text/11/110.20

I guess we'll see. It's not like those emails tell the whole story anyway and I'm sure everything about it is being investigated.

He's just going to ignore this, you know.
Vertania 1 day ago#37
Trump Jr.: Has one meeting with Russian non-government lawyer expecting dirt on Hillary, no information is actually exchanged

Chalupa: Paid DNC employee has multiple meetings with Ukraine, actually gets information on Trump and shares it with Clinton campaign

IMPEACH TRUMP!!!1!
hockeybub89 23 hours ago#38
Vertania posted...
Trump Jr.: Has one meeting with Russian non-government lawyer expecting dirt on Hillary, no information is actually exchanged

Chalupa: Paid DNC employee has multiple meetings with Ukraine, actually gets information on Trump and shares it with Clinton campaign

IMPEACH TRUMP!!!1!

Well we can't impeach a disgraced b**** who embarrassed herself by losing to a reality star. She isn't President.
Samurontai 23 hours ago#39
Vertania posted...
Trump Jr.: Has one meeting with Russian non-government lawyer expecting dirt on Hillary, no information is actually exchanged

Chalupa: Paid DNC employee has multiple meetings with Ukraine, actually gets information on Trump and shares it with Clinton campaign

IMPEACH TRUMP!!!1!


HKTieLj
Mal_Fet 23 hours ago#40
hockeybub89 posted...
Official documents from Russia seem to be things of value.

Basketball tickets are a thing of value. 

The information that Hillary Clinton has a sex tape is not a "thing" of value.
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Vertania 23 hours ago#41
hockeybub89 posted...
Well we can't impeach a disgraced b**** who embarrassed herself by losing to a reality star. She isn't President.

Samurontai posted...

So... you agree it's not criminal, then?
Darmik 23 hours ago#42
Nobody here knows what happened during the meeting. Not sure why you'd believe Don Jr or the Russian lawyers word on it considering what they've said over the past week.

Personally I think it was about Hillary's emails but I can only speculate.
Kind Regards,
Darmik
Caution999 23 hours ago#43
The intent of the email is what it is. It's disappointing but it's not an impeachable offense - not by a long shot.
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Samurontai 23 hours ago#44
Vertania posted...
hockeybub89 posted...
Well we can't impeach a disgraced b**** who embarrassed herself by losing to a reality star. She isn't President.

Samurontai posted...

So... you agree it's not criminal, then?


Where did I say that?
HypnoCoosh 23 hours ago#45
Samurontai posted...
Vertania posted...
Trump Jr.: Has one meeting with Russian non-government lawyer expecting dirt on Hillary, no information is actually exchanged

Chalupa: Paid DNC employee has multiple meetings with Ukraine, actually gets information on Trump and shares it with Clinton campaign

IMPEACH TRUMP!!!1!


HKTieLj


If only liberals cares 1/4 as much when their precious DNC breaks the law. 

Donald Trump has broken no law and he will not be impeached.This is just another attempt for the mouth foaming liberals to win back the presidency their queen lost.
We make men without chests and expect from them virtue and enterprise. We laugh at honor and are shocked to find traitors in our midst. - C.S. Lewis
Balrog0 23 hours ago#46
HypnoCoosh posted...
If only liberals cares 1/4 as much when their precious DNC breaks the law. 


as someone who has been saying obama is terrible at least since 2011, it really makes me mad that so many people are all about this "what about the other side" s***
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Darmik 23 hours ago#47
If you want to make a topic about the potential criminal offenses from Hillary's campaign go ahead.
Kind Regards,
Darmik
Samurontai 23 hours ago#48
HypnoCoosh posted...
Samurontai posted...
Vertania posted...
Trump Jr.: Has one meeting with Russian non-government lawyer expecting dirt on Hillary, no information is actually exchanged

Chalupa: Paid DNC employee has multiple meetings with Ukraine, actually gets information on Trump and shares it with Clinton campaign

IMPEACH TRUMP!!!1!


HKTieLj


If only liberals cares 1/4 as much when their precious DNC breaks the law. 

Donald Trump has broken no law and he will not be impeached.This is just another attempt for the mouth foaming liberals to win back the presidency their queen lost.


Uh, I hate the DNC, and I hate Hillary Clinton even more

But gg, Hypno you tried and failed again
Vertania 23 hours ago#49
Samurontai posted...
Where did I say that?

Well, if it's criminal, then both of them could potentially be in trouble and deserved to be focused on.

The DNC losing doesn't absolve them from consequences.
Darmik 23 hours ago#50
Vertania posted...
Samurontai posted...
Where did I say that?

Well, if it's criminal, then both of them could potentially be in trouble and deserved to be focused on.

The DNC losing doesn't absolve them from consequences.


The President will always be the primary focus and the reasons for that should be obvious. Do you think people would give a s*** if Jeb spoke to Putin himself?
Kind Regards,
Darmik
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    HypnoCoosh 23 hours ago#51
    Balrog0 posted...
    obama is terrible


    For the record I voted for Obama in 2008. My dislike of him is not biased.
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    hockeybub89 23 hours ago#52
    HypnoCoosh posted...
    Donald Trump has broken no law and he will not be impeached.This is just another attempt for the mouth foaming liberals to win back the presidency their queen lost.

    Oh god no. Thankfully, Hillary can no longer become President. What gave you the notion everyone against Trump trying to team up with Russia to take the White House likes Hillary?
    Vertania 23 hours ago#53
    Darmik posted...
    The President will always be the primary focus and the reasons for that should be obvious. Do you think people would give a s*** if Jeb spoke to Putin himself?

    They probably would blow it up, yes.

    But having the president as the primary focus doesn't mean we should just ignore everything that the other major political party does.
    hockeybub89 23 hours ago#54
    Vertania posted...
    Darmik posted...
    The President will always be the primary focus and the reasons for that should be obvious. Do you think people would give a s*** if Jeb spoke to Putin himself?

    They probably would blow it up, yes.

    But having the president as the primary focus doesn't mean we should just ignore everything that the other major political party does.

    But that is exactly what the But Hillary crew is trying to do. If anyone has anything to say negatively about Trump, someone will be quick to point out a Democrat and deflect.
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    Samurontai 23 hours ago#55
    Vertania posted...
    Samurontai posted...
    Where did I say that?

    Well, if it's criminal, then both of them could potentially be in trouble and deserved to be focused on.

    The DNC losing doesn't absolve them from consequences.


    So you just completely missed the entire point of the post?

    I'm honestly not surprised lmfao
    Samurontai 23 hours ago#56
    HypnoCoosh posted...
    Balrog0 posted...
    obama is terrible


    For the record I voted for Obama in 2008. My dislike of him is not biased.


    Lul, I'm sure you did
    Darmik 23 hours ago#57
    Nobody gives a s*** about Jeb Bush or what he did during his campaign lmao. It would no where near as big of a story as allegations made toward the President's administration. 

    Imagine how stupid it would look if people were crying "What about Jeb?" during these investigations. It's not about "what about other politicians"

    It's about trying to deflect heat from Trump to the other side.
    Kind Regards,
    Darmik
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    Balrog0 23 hours ago#58
    I did too but it was my first election I could vote in
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    Howl 23 hours ago#59
    ChromaticAngel posted...
    The life of Mal_Fet:

    1. Wake up
    2. Breakfast of eggs and biscuit
    3. Watch Archer reruns for a bit
    4. Read a gun magazine
    5. cook lunch, some nice chicken breasts
    6. do some cleaning around the place
    7. pay some bills
    8. cook dinner, pork medallions and some asaparagus
    9. start watching a movie, such as Deadpool
    10. f***ING LIBERALS
    11. f***ING go to gamefaqs LIBERALS
    12. ARE YOU f***ING LIBERALS DONE WITH THESE BASELESS ACCUSATIONS AGAINST DONALD TRUMP JR?!
    13. f***ING LIBERALS


    I laughed hard at this.

    Also LIBRULS!!!
    woof
    Samurontai 23 hours ago#60
    Howl posted...
    ChromaticAngel posted...
    The life of Mal_Fet:

    1. Wake up
    2. Breakfast of eggs and biscuit
    3. Watch Archer reruns for a bit
    4. Read a gun magazine
    5. cook lunch, some nice chicken breasts
    6. do some cleaning around the place
    7. pay some bills
    8. cook dinner, pork medallions and some asaparagus
    9. start watching a movie, such as Deadpool
    10. f***ING LIBERALS
    11. f***ING go to gamefaqs LIBERALS
    12. ARE YOU f***ING LIBERALS DONE WITH THESE BASELESS ACCUSATIONS AGAINST DONALD TRUMP JR?!
    13. f***ING LIBERALS


    I laughed hard at this.

    Also LIBRULS!!!


    Lmao I didn't even see this

    Holy s***
    Monday 23 hours ago#61
    It's nothing of any significance. But that's starting to become the trend whenever I hear about allegedly awful things associated with Trump. Weird, right?
    Mal_Fet 23 hours ago#62
    Monday posted...
    It's nothing of any significance. But that's starting to become the trend whenever I hear about allegedly awful things associated with Trump. Weird, right?

    If by "trend" you mean 0 evidence of illicit collusion with Russia despite the media ranting about it for over a year.
    Freedom is the right to tell people what they do not want to hear.
    -George Orwell
    Vertania 23 hours ago#63
    hockeybub89 posted...
    But that is exactly what the But Hillary crew is trying to do. If anyone has anything to say negatively about Trump, someone will be quick to point out a Democrat and deflect.

    Darmik posted...
    It's about trying to deflect heat from Trump to the other side.

    >implying the news hasn't spent 90% of it's time b****ing about Trump for the last 8 months

    lmao. The last thing you have to worry about is a Trump "scandal" slipping away into obscurity.
    Monday 23 hours ago#64
    Mal_Fet posted...
    Monday posted...
    It's nothing of any significance. But that's starting to become the trend whenever I hear about allegedly awful things associated with Trump. Weird, right?

    If by "trend" you mean 0 evidence of illicit collusion with Russia despite the media ranting about it for over a year.


    Yeah, that's what I was implying. Every time an article pops up about Trump being involved in something shady, it ends up going nowhere. 

    How many times has a story come out that was definitely gonna lead to his impeachment? s*** got old a while ago.
    Vertania 23 hours ago#65
    Samurontai posted...
    So you just completely missed the entire point of the post?

    I'm honestly not surprised lmfao

    So what was your point? "Clinton/Obama isn't president, so we should just never talk about any possibly illegal things they do?"
    Balrog0 23 hours ago#66
    Mal_Fet posted...
    If by "trend" you mean 0 evidence of illicit collusion with Russia despite the media ranting about it for over a year.


    do you think that people like senator richard burr are just investigating because their constituents want them to? because I don't think their constituents care or want them to. 

    so why are congressional republicans playing along when they have the power to nix the whole thing? they could have a year ago, too
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    hockeybub89 23 hours ago#67
    Vertania posted...
    hockeybub89 posted...
    But that is exactly what the But Hillary crew is trying to do. If anyone has anything to say negatively about Trump, someone will be quick to point out a Democrat and deflect.

    Darmik posted...
    It's about trying to deflect heat from Trump to the other side.

    >implying the news hasn't spent 90% of it's time b****ing about Trump for the last 8 months

    lmao. The last thing you have to worry about is a Trump "scandal" slipping away into obscurity.

    All I'm implying is that Butt Hillary is stupid. Emails suggesting efforts by the sitting President's team to work with Russia to take the White House deserve more attention that the loser's efforts.
    Darmik 23 hours ago#68
    Vertania posted...
    hockeybub89 posted...
    But that is exactly what the But Hillary crew is trying to do. If anyone has anything to say negatively about Trump, someone will be quick to point out a Democrat and deflect.

    Darmik posted...
    It's about trying to deflect heat from Trump to the other side.

    >implying the news hasn't spent 90% of it's time b****ing about Trump for the last 8 months

    lmao. The last thing you have to worry about is a Trump "scandal" slipping away into obscurity.


    Because he's President. Do you think the same thing would happen if Hillary won?
    Kind Regards,
    Darmik
    Mal_Fet 23 hours ago#69
    hockeybub89 posted...
    All I'm implying is that Butt Hillary is stupid. Emails suggesting efforts by the sitting President's team to work with Russia to take the White House deserve more attention that the loser's efforts.

    You dont find it the slightest bit hypocritical that the media cares way more about Trump Jr. meeting with a supposed Russian official when his dad was campaigning than when we found out that Hillary was meeting with ACTUAL foreign government officials while she was campaigning?
    Freedom is the right to tell people what they do not want to hear.
    -George Orwell
    Mal_Fet 23 hours ago#70
    Darmik posted...
    Because he's President. Do you think the same thing would happen if Hillary won?

    Hahaha no. 

    The Russian collusion thing began when Trump wasn't president. Hillary got a free pass for the Ukraine thing and we found out about that WHILE she was campaigning.
    Freedom is the right to tell people what they do not want to hear.
    -George Orwell
    Balrog0 23 hours ago#71
    Mal_Fet posted...
    You dont find it the slightest bit hypocritical that the media cares way more about Trump Jr. meeting with a supposed Russian official when his dad was campaigning than when we found out that Hillary was meeting with ACTUAL foreign government officials while she was campaigning?


    if you're talking about the Ukraine thing, you're so wrong it would be funny if it wasn't sad

    otherwise wat do u mean?
    He would make his mark, if not on this tree, then on that wall; if not with teeth and claws, then with penknife and razor.
    Balrog0 23 hours ago#72
    Mal_Fet posted...
    The Russian collusion thing began when Trump wasn't president. Hillary got a free pass for the Ukraine thing and we found out about that WHILE she was campaigning.


    you're comparing the presidents son to a DNC contractor

    and you're acting like it was hilary herself
    He would make his mark, if not on this tree, then on that wall; if not with teeth and claws, then with penknife and razor.
    Darmik 23 hours ago#73
    Mal_Fet posted...
    Darmik posted...
    Because he's President. Do you think the same thing would happen if Hillary won?

    Hahaha no. 

    The Russian collusion thing began when Trump wasn't president. Hillary got a free pass for the Ukraine thing and we found out about that WHILE she was campaigning.


    You mean that time where Trump called her a criminal and promised he'll throw her in jail?
    Kind Regards,
    Darmik
    Mal_Fet 23 hours ago#74
    Darmik posted...
    Mal_Fet posted...
    Darmik posted...
    Because he's President. Do you think the same thing would happen if Hillary won?

    Hahaha no. 

    The Russian collusion thing began when Trump wasn't president. Hillary got a free pass for the Ukraine thing and we found out about that WHILE she was campaigning.


    You mean that time where Trump called her a criminal and promised he'll throw her in jail?

    There were many reasons for that, beyond the Ukraine thing.
    Freedom is the right to tell people what they do not want to hear.
    -George Orwell
    hockeybub89 23 hours ago#75
    Mal_Fet posted...
    hockeybub89 posted...
    All I'm implying is that Butt Hillary is stupid. Emails suggesting efforts by the sitting President's team to work with Russia to take the White House deserve more attention that the loser's efforts.

    You dont find it the slightest bit hypocritical that the media cares way more about Trump Jr. meeting with a supposed Russian official when his dad was campaigning than when we found out that Hillary was meeting with ACTUAL foreign government officials while she was campaigning?

    I don't care because I am not speaking for the media. I am speaking for me about this issue. Replace Trump with Hillary and I have the same stance.
    Darmik 23 hours ago#76
    Mal_Fet posted...
    Darmik posted...
    Mal_Fet posted...
    Darmik posted...
    Because he's President. Do you think the same thing would happen if Hillary won?

    Hahaha no. 

    The Russian collusion thing began when Trump wasn't president. Hillary got a free pass for the Ukraine thing and we found out about that WHILE she was campaigning.


    You mean that time where Trump called her a criminal and promised he'll throw her in jail?

    There were many reasons for that, beyond the Ukraine thing.


    Just like there are many reasons for these current accusations made towards Trump?
    Kind Regards,
    Darmik
    Ganon19 23 hours ago#77
    hockeybub89 posted...
    It's a something hoagie.
    Joel Embiid is a bust
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    JohnLennon6 23 hours ago#78
    Darmik posted...
    Mal_Fet posted...
    Darmik posted...
    Mal_Fet posted...
    Darmik posted...
    Because he's President. Do you think the same thing would happen if Hillary won?

    Hahaha no. 

    The Russian collusion thing began when Trump wasn't president. Hillary got a free pass for the Ukraine thing and we found out about that WHILE she was campaigning.


    You mean that time where Trump called her a criminal and promised he'll throw her in jail?

    There were many reasons for that, beyond the Ukraine thing.


    Just like there are many reasons for these current accusations made towards Trump?

    Such as?
    He has good daygame
    - MasterOfMissions
    Mal_Fet 23 hours ago#79
    hockeybub89 posted...
    I don't care because I am not speaking for the media. I am speaking for me about this issue. Replace Trump with Hillary and I have the same stance.

    Well then you should probably be aware that getting info from a foreign government isn't illegal.
    Freedom is the right to tell people what they do not want to hear.
    -George Orwell
    FaytlessHearts 23 hours ago#80
    Oh I'm sorry, is this the same CNN that focused efforts on finding who made a GIF in order to harass a public apology and then turnes out to be the wrong guy? The same CNN that could have had a frontpage focusing on multiple other, more pressing matters but instead decided the front page was better suited for who came up with the GIF? LOL!

    No thanks, I'll never read another story by them. Not credible by any account.
    "To be forgotten is worse than death..." -Freya
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    Darmik 23 hours ago#81
    JohnLennon6 posted...
    Such as?


    That they hid this meeting for over a year despite being investigated for Russian connections?
    Kind Regards,
    Darmik
    Mal_Fet 23 hours ago#82
    Darmik posted...
    Just like there are many reasons for these current accusations made towards Trump?

    Lol

    Many accusations, but zero substance.
    Freedom is the right to tell people what they do not want to hear.
    -George Orwell
    Vertania 22 hours ago#83
    hockeybub89 posted...
    Emails suggesting efforts by the sitting President's team to work with Russia to take the White House deserve more attention that the loser's efforts.

    That's a pretty misleading statement for a few reasons:
    1. The loser's efforts actually resulted in information being shared. Trump Jr.'s efforts did not.
    2. The lawyer Trump Jr. met with wasn't "Russia." She was a non-government lawyer from Russia.
    3. Correct me if I'm wrong, but Trump Jr. wasn't part of Trump's team.

    Darmik posted...
    Because he's President. Do you think the same thing would happen if Hillary won?

    Here's what I could see:
    Republicans find out about the Ukraine meetings and start making a stink about it. CNN/WaPo/etc. dig up Trump Jr.'s e-mail conversation and "but Trump" all over the place.

    So yes. I do think the same thing would probably happen.
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    MARKINGRAM22 22 hours ago#84
    Mal_Fet posted...
    cjsdowg posted...
    He literally admitted to trying to met with someone with ties to the another nation to get get dirt one his other political rival. 

    How is this nohting ?

    I guess it depends on your idea of nothing

    So if Hillary's meeting with the Ukrainian govt in her campaign was a nothing burger, then I guess this would be too.


    More like Chelsea. It is something that could be something, but that goes for a lot of things and this will never amount to anything.
    "That man practices Islam. Are you happy he was taken out since according to you he believes what terrorists do?" -VipaGTS to me
    cjsdowg 22 hours ago#85
    Mal_Fet posted...

    You dont find it the slightest bit hypocritical that the media cares way more about Trump Jr. meeting with a supposed Russian official when his dad was campaigning than when we found out that Hillary was meeting with ACTUAL foreign government officials while she was campaigning?


    One she wasn't, and two she ain't president.
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    hockeybub89 22 hours ago#86
    Mal_Fet posted...
    hockeybub89 posted...
    I don't care because I am not speaking for the media. I am speaking for me about this issue. Replace Trump with Hillary and I have the same stance.

    Well then you should probably be aware that getting info from a foreign government isn't illegal.

    Colluding with another country to take power isn't illegal? How come every President doesn't do It? Or are Trump and non-President Clinton just stupid enough to get caught? Though why would legal things be kept so secret?
    cjsdowg 22 hours ago#87
    MARKINGRAM22 posted...

    More like Chelsea. It is something that could be something, but that goes for a lot of things and this will never amount to anything.


    Members of the Trump Campaign team was with him, and people who Trump later gave key roles too.
    Bender: Well, everybody, I just saved a turtle. What have you done with your lives?
    It's a huge reach to say anything wrong was done. If somebody told me they had dirt on my political opponent, I'd want to know what it is, even if I couldn't leak it out due to it being illegal to do so. Information is always beneficial.
    Darmik 22 hours ago#89
    Vertania posted...
    Republicans find out about the Ukraine meetings and start making a stink about it. CNN/WaPo/etc. dig up Trump Jr.'s e-mail conversation and "but Trump" all over the place.


    Didn't people know about this a year ago already or am I missing something?

    If Trump disclosed this meeting a year ago it wouldn't be a story today.
    Kind Regards,
    Darmik
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    JohnLennon6 22 hours ago#90
    cjsdowg posted...
    MARKINGRAM22 posted...

    More like Chelsea. It is something that could be something, but that goes for a lot of things and this will never amount to anything.


    Members of the Trump Campaign team was with him, and people who Trump later gave key roles too.

    Source?
    He has good daygame
    - MasterOfMissions
    hockeybub89 22 hours ago#91
    JohnLennon6 posted...
    cjsdowg posted...
    MARKINGRAM22 posted...

    More like Chelsea. It is something that could be something, but that goes for a lot of things and this will never amount to anything.


    Members of the Trump Campaign team was with him, and people who Trump later gave key roles too.

    Source?

    Jared Kushner

    f*** I responded to Lennon.
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    Vertania 22 hours ago#92
    Darmik posted...
    Didn't people know about this a year ago already or am I missing something?

    I don't know. If they did and nothing happened, then it makes even less sense to turn Trump Jr.'s fruitless meeting into an issue.
    Mal_Fet 22 hours ago#93
    cjsdowg posted...
    Once she wasn't,

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/did-ukraine-try-to-interfere-in-the-2016-election/ar-BBEktQK

    Even MSN admits that the only difference here is if you consider Russia a hostile nation to the US.
    Freedom is the right to tell people what they do not want to hear.
    -George Orwell
    Darmik 22 hours ago#94
    Vertania posted...
    Darmik posted...
    Didn't people know about this a year ago already or am I missing something?

    I don't know. If they did and nothing happened, then it makes even less sense to turn Trump Jr.'s fruitless meeting into an issue.


    It took a year for this to get out and directly involved high ranking members of Trump's administration including his son.

    If it was someone who wasn't as important who did this meeting I'm guessing they'd cut that person loose and say they didn't know about it.
    Kind Regards,
    Darmik
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    Vertania 22 hours ago#95
    Darmik posted...
    It took a year for this to get out and directly involved high ranking members of Trump's administration.

    1. Trump's son is a high-ranking member of his administration?

    2. Chalupa sharing information with the Clinton campaign/DNC didn't involve high-ranking members of her campaign?
    Darmik 22 hours ago#96
    Vertania posted...
    1. Trump's son is a high-ranking member of his administration?


    His campaign manager and Kushner was in the meeting too. And yeah having his son and son-in-law directly involved makes this a bigger headache than it needs to be

    Vertania posted...
    2. Chalupa sharing information with the Clinton campaign/DNC didn't involve high-ranking members of her campaign?


    I dunno much about it. People cared more about Hillary's emails back then because that directly involved her.
    Kind Regards,
    Darmik
    Mal_Fet 22 hours ago#97
    Darmik posted...
    I dunno much about it. People cared more about Hillary's emails back then because that directly involved her.

    Also because the Ukraine connection wasn't actually illegal, unlike deleting tens of thousands of emails that she was required to turn over.
    Freedom is the right to tell people what they do not want to hear.
    -George Orwell
    Darmik 22 hours ago#98
    Mal_Fet posted...
    Darmik posted...
    I dunno much about it. People cared more about Hillary's emails back then because that directly involved her.

    Also because the Ukraine connection wasn't actually illegal, unlike deleting tens of thousands of emails that she was required to turn over.


    And wasn't the Trump administration required to disclose meetings like this considering they were being investigated for Russian connections?
    Kind Regards,
    Darmik
    Mal_Fet 22 hours ago#99
    Darmik posted...
    And wasn't the Trump administration required to disclose meetings like this considering they were being investigated for Russian connections?

    Who says they didn't?

    And probably not, considering the woman wasn't really with the Russian govt and had no actual info.
    Freedom is the right to tell people what they do not want to hear.
    -George Orwell
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    HypnoCoosh 22 hours ago#100
    Samurontai posted...
    HypnoCoosh posted...
    Balrog0 posted...
    obama is terrible


    For the record I voted for Obama in 2008. My dislike of him is not biased.


    Lul, I'm sure you did


    I did 2008 was a log time ago I was younger and more naive
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    3. Is the Trump Jr. debacle a nothing burger or is it an everything bagel?
      1. Boards
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      3. Is the Trump Jr. debacle a nothing burger or is it an everything bagel?
      hockeybub89 22 hours ago#101
      Mal_Fet posted...
      Darmik posted...
      And wasn't the Trump administration required to disclose meetings like this considering they were being investigated for Russian connections?

      Who says they didn't?

      Donald Trump Jr
      Mal_Fet 22 hours ago#102
      hockeybub89 posted...
      Mal_Fet posted...
      Darmik posted...
      And wasn't the Trump administration required to disclose meetings like this considering they were being investigated for Russian connections?

      Who says they didn't?

      Donald Trump Jr

      Mal_Fet posted...

      Who says they didn't?

      And probably not, considering the woman wasn't really with the Russian govt and had no actual info.
      Freedom is the right to tell people what they do not want to hear.
      -George Orwell
      Darmik 22 hours ago#103
      Mal_Fet posted...
      Darmik posted...
      And wasn't the Trump administration required to disclose meetings like this considering they were being investigated for Russian connections?

      Who says they didn't?

      And probably not, considering the woman wasn't really with the Russian govt and had no actual info.


      I don't think that's up to Donny Jr to decide.
      Kind Regards,
      Darmik
      Balrog0 22 hours ago#104
      Mal_Fet posted...
      cjsdowg posted...
      Once she wasn't,

      https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/did-ukraine-try-to-interfere-in-the-2016-election/ar-BBEktQK

      Even MSN admits that the only difference here is if you consider Russia a hostile nation to the US.


      we already know that hillary clinton is literally willing to help dictators overthrow democratically elected regimes so what even is your point? that voting for trump, assuming you expected less pay for play and more america first, was a stupid idea?

      I literally cant understand these conservative defenses, all they do is basically admit they're guilty by their own definition and then b**** about cnn pointing that out for them but not that hildawg was guilty too
      He would make his mark, if not on this tree, then on that wall; if not with teeth and claws, then with penknife and razor.
      Mal_Fet 22 hours ago#105
      Darmik posted...
      Mal_Fet posted...
      Darmik posted...
      And wasn't the Trump administration required to disclose meetings like this considering they were being investigated for Russian connections?

      Who says they didn't?

      And probably not, considering the woman wasn't really with the Russian govt and had no actual info.


      I don't think that's up to Donny Jr to decide.

      Considering he isn't set to be on trial. the law apparently agreed with him.
      Freedom is the right to tell people what they do not want to hear.
      -George Orwell
      hockeybub89 22 hours ago#106
      We were over this, Mal. The result of the meeting isn't the interesting part. Why Trump was excited and the implications of the email are.

      If I remember, your best excuse yesterday was "Trump Jr will just deny that the email meant anything." Lies and denial seem to betray the idea that everything is above board.
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      hockeybub89 22 hours ago#107
      Mal_Fet posted...
      Darmik posted...
      Mal_Fet posted...
      Darmik posted...
      And wasn't the Trump administration required to disclose meetings like this considering they were being investigated for Russian connections?

      Who says they didn't?

      And probably not, considering the woman wasn't really with the Russian govt and had no actual info.


      I don't think that's up to Donny Jr to decide.

      Considering he isn't set to be on trial. the law apparently agreed with him.

      Well I guess you can shut up about Hillary then and emails. Never being taken to trial proves the law agrees with you.
      Darmik 22 hours ago#108
      Mal_Fet posted...
      Darmik posted...
      Mal_Fet posted...
      Darmik posted...
      And wasn't the Trump administration required to disclose meetings like this considering they were being investigated for Russian connections?

      Who says they didn't?

      And probably not, considering the woman wasn't really with the Russian govt and had no actual info.


      I don't think that's up to Donny Jr to decide.

      Considering he isn't set to be on trial. the law apparently agreed with him.


      Isn't the investigation into the Trump Administration still going?
      Kind Regards,
      Darmik
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      cjsdowg 22 hours ago#109
      Mal_Fet posted...
      cjsdowg posted...
      Once she wasn't,

      https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/did-ukraine-try-to-interfere-in-the-2016-election/ar-BBEktQK

      Even MSN admits that the only difference here is if you consider Russia a hostile nation to the US.


      Dude do you read what you post ?

      From your own link.

      t wasn't so much the Clinton campaign, per se, but a Democratic operative working with the Democratic National Committee did reach out to the Ukrainian government in an attempt to get damaging information about the Trump campaign.


      Yet you keep suggesting Hillary met with these people.
      Bender: Well, everybody, I just saved a turtle. What have you done with your lives?
      UnholyMudcrab  needs big 321 hours ago#110
      UnholyMudcrab posted...
      Darmik posted...
      Mal_Fet posted...
      hockeybub89 posted...
      What makes you sure it is legal?

      ... Because it's not illegal to get information from a foreign government. 

      It's illegal for a campaign to get money from a foreign government, but information is fine.


      Contributions and donations by foreign nationals in connection with elections. A foreign national shall not, directly or indirectly, make a contribution or a donation of money or other thing of value, or expressly or impliedly promise to make a contribution or a donation, in connection with any Federal, State, or local election.


      .https://www.law.cornell.edu/cfr/text/11/110.20

      I guess we'll see. It's not like those emails tell the whole story anyway and I'm sure everything about it is being investigated.

      He's just going to ignore this, you know.

      Looks like I was right.
      Mal_Fet 20 hours ago#111
      hockeybub89 posted...
      Well I guess you can shut up about Hillary then and emails. Never being taken to trial proves the law agrees with you.

      Only reason Hillary never went to trial is because they can't prove she ordered that guy to scrub all her devices. It is however proven that Trump Jr. attempted to get information from a Russian official, yet he's not in handcuffs. Weird, huh?

      cjsdowg posted...
      Yet you keep suggesting Hillary met with these people.

      So if someone from the GOP did the meeting rather than the president's son, it would be no biggie?

      @UnholyMudcrab posted...
      Looks like I was right.

      Post #40, champ.

      literally three posts after yours.
      Freedom is the right to tell people what they do not want to hear.
      -George Orwell
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      UnholyMudcrab  needs big 320 hours ago#112
      Mal_Fet posted...
      Post #40, champ.

      literally three posts after yours.

      Wherein you blather about baseball and a Hillary Clinton sex tape because you thought it was somehow the most relevant way to discuss the topic? What exactly is going on in your mind?
      cjsdowg 20 hours ago#113
      Mal_Fet posted...

      So if someone from the GOP did the meeting rather than the president's son, it would be no biggie?


      One it would be less ties to him and still something to look at . But you know Hillary isn't the president .
      And someone with direct ties to Trump did this. People in his campaign, his son, and people he has given positions of power too. 

      I know you love defend Trump, but dude really.
      Bender: Well, everybody, I just saved a turtle. What have you done with your lives?
      Darmik 20 hours ago#114
      Mal_Fet posted...
      So if someone from the GOP did the meeting rather than the president's son, it would be no biggie?


      He'd probably get fired and buried and everyone else would distance themselves from him so yeah.
      Kind Regards,
      Darmik
      Mal_Fet 20 hours ago#115
      UnholyMudcrab posted...
      Wherein you blather about baseball and a Hillary Clinton sex tape because you thought it was somehow the most relevant way to discuss the topic?

      The thrust is that information is not a "thing of value"

      http://www.cnn.com/2017/07/11/opinions/trump-jr-russia-meeting-not-illegal-callan/index.html

      Even CNN's analysts say it's not illegal. Get over it, bro.
      Freedom is the right to tell people what they do not want to hear.
      -George Orwell
      Samurontai 20 hours ago#116
      @HypnoCoosh posted...
      Samurontai posted...
      HypnoCoosh posted...
      Balrog0 posted...
      obama is terrible


      For the record I voted for Obama in 2008. My dislike of him is not biased.


      Lul, I'm sure you did


      I did 2008 was a log time ago I was younger and more naive


      Ah, I voted for McCain back then because I was younger and less intelligent
      hockeybub89 19 hours ago#117
      Mal_Fet posted...
      UnholyMudcrab posted...
      Wherein you blather about baseball and a Hillary Clinton sex tape because you thought it was somehow the most relevant way to discuss the topic?

      The thrust is that information is not a "thing of value"

      http://www.cnn.com/2017/07/11/opinions/trump-jr-russia-meeting-not-illegal-callan/index.html

      Even CNN's analysts say it's not illegal. Get over it, bro.

      That article also ends with what I have been saying that this just adds fuel to the fire. Nothing illegal may have happened BUT....... Why was this covered up? Why do people around Trump keep lying about meetings with Russians? What others parts are there to this support of Trump's campaign by the Russian government that the emails refer to?

      You see a ship that has sailed and I don't even think we've started welding the pieces together.
      Mal_Fet 19 hours ago#118
      hockeybub89 posted...

      That article also ends with what I have been saying that this just adds fuel to the fire. Nothing illegal may have happened BUT....... Why was this covered up?

      It wasn't covered up so much as it was probably just tossed aside. The lady wasn't with the Russian govt and had no information to give them like they were promised, remember?

      Question: Now that you know even CNN's analysts are sure that wasn't illegal, you accept it now, right?
      Freedom is the right to tell people what they do not want to hear.
      -George Orwell
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      hockeybub89 19 hours ago#119
      Mal_Fet posted...
      hockeybub89 posted...

      That article also ends with what I have been saying that this just adds fuel to the fire. Nothing illegal may have happened BUT....... Why was this covered up?

      It wasn't covered up so much as it was probably just tossed aside. The lady wasn't with the Russian govt and had no information to give them like they were promised, remember?

      Question: Now that you know even CNN's analysts are sure that wasn't illegal, you accept it now, right?

      Again, I conceded this might not be illegal a very long time ago. I still think we are barely scratching the surface. Assurances from one of Trump's boyfriends like you isn't going to cut it.

      And what do you mean even CNN? Do you think I give a f*** what they say?
      (edited 19 hours ago)reportquote
      UnholyMudcrab  needs big 319 hours ago#120
      Mal_Fet posted...
      UnholyMudcrab posted...
      Wherein you blather about baseball and a Hillary Clinton sex tape because you thought it was somehow the most relevant way to discuss the topic?

      The thrust is that information is not a "thing of value"

      http://www.cnn.com/2017/07/11/opinions/trump-jr-russia-meeting-not-illegal-callan/index.html

      Even CNN's analysts say it's not illegal. Get over it, bro.

      Ah, but it is.

      http://eqs.fec.gov/eqsdocsMUR/00002BF9.pdf

      To sum that up, the Federal Election Commission ruled that information (in this case in the form of a list of potential donors) can be considered a thing of value, and that providing that information was a violation of the act.
      Mal_Fet 18 hours ago#121
      hockeybub89 posted...
      Again, I conceded this might not be illegal a very long time ago. I still think we are barely scratching the surface.

      Do you have anything beyond conspiracy theories

      Because in other topics that's all you ever presented
      Freedom is the right to tell people what they do not want to hear.
      -George Orwell
      Mal_Fet 18 hours ago#122
      @UnholyMudcrab posted...
      Mal_Fet posted...
      UnholyMudcrab posted...
      Wherein you blather about baseball and a Hillary Clinton sex tape because you thought it was somehow the most relevant way to discuss the topic?

      The thrust is that information is not a "thing of value"

      http://www.cnn.com/2017/07/11/opinions/trump-jr-russia-meeting-not-illegal-callan/index.html

      Even CNN's analysts say it's not illegal. Get over it, bro.

      Ah, but it is.

      http://eqs.fec.gov/eqsdocsMUR/00002BF9.pdf

      To sum that up, the Federal Election Commission ruled that information (in this case in the form of a list of potential donors) can be considered a thing of value, and that providing that information was a violation of the act.

      Can be considered a thing of value doesn't mean always is a thing of value. It depends entirely on the nature of the info. 

      Of which there was none.
      Freedom is the right to tell people what they do not want to hear.
      -George Orwell
      ManSpread 18 hours ago#123
      Darmik 17 hours ago#124
      Mal_Fet posted...
      Can be considered a thing of value doesn't mean always is a thing of value. It depends entirely on the nature of the info. 

      Of which there was none.


      If the info was valuable would they admit it and do anything differently?
      Kind Regards,
      Darmik
      I read the articles and listened to the interview with Trump Jr. To me, it was clear that he was trying to gather evidence on Russia to turn over to the FBI or some branch of intelligence. Now, if you want to say that he was careless and should have immediately contacted the FBI, etc. instead of trying to take it upon himself to expose Russia then that's a completely fair criticism. But trying to paint this as an attempt at collusion is being dishonest and shows you to be nothing more than a partisan hack..
      "If the day does not require an AK, it is good." The Great Warrior Poet, Ice Cube
      DifferentialEquation posted...
      I read the articles and listened to the interview with Trump Jr. To me, it was clear that he was trying to gather evidence on Russia to turn over to the FBI or some branch of intelligence. Now, if you want to say that he was careless and should have immediately contacted the FBI, etc. instead of trying to take it upon himself to expose Russia then that's a completely fair criticism. But trying to paint this as an attempt at collusion is being dishonest and shows you to be nothing more than a partisan hack..


      you never fail to deliver
      ChromaticAngel posted...
      DifferentialEquation posted...
      I read the articles and listened to the interview with Trump Jr. To me, it was clear that he was trying to gather evidence on Russia to turn over to the FBI or some branch of intelligence. Now, if you want to say that he was careless and should have immediately contacted the FBI, etc. instead of trying to take it upon himself to expose Russia then that's a completely fair criticism. But trying to paint this as an attempt at collusion is being dishonest and shows you to be nothing more than a partisan hack..


      you never fail to deliver


      http://dailycaller.com/2017/07/11/trump-jr-claims-he-wouldve-reported-shady-information-video/

      In an exclusive interview with Fox News’ Hannity Tuesday night, Trump Jr. partially blamed his “learning curve” when it comes to politics for the way he chose to handle the meeting request. Nevertheless, he claimed he would’ve turned “shady” information over to the authorities.
      "If the day does not require an AK, it is good." The Great Warrior Poet, Ice Cube
      hockeybub89 16 hours ago#128
      Mal_Fet posted...
      hockeybub89 posted...
      Again, I conceded this might not be illegal a very long time ago. I still think we are barely scratching the surface.

      Do you have anything beyond conspiracy theories

      Because in other topics that's all you ever presented

      Intelligence agencies are already investigating because lies constantly surround people near Trump and dealings with Russians. I'm sorry everyone can't be like you and chalk that up to forgetfulness and coincidence without question. Once someone peeks out from the closet, we need to swing that door open and sweep for skeletons. Don't you dare But Obama me.
      UnholyMudcrab  needs big 316 hours ago#129
      Mal_Fet posted...
      Can be considered a thing of value doesn't mean always is a thing of value. It depends entirely on the nature of the info.

      Of which there was none.

      You tried this line of awkward semantics-poking before in another topic, and wisely dropped it because you presumably realized how ridiculous it sounded. I suggest you do the same here.
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      Mal_Fet 15 hours ago#130
      Darmik posted...
      Mal_Fet posted...
      Can be considered a thing of value doesn't mean always is a thing of value. It depends entirely on the nature of the info. 

      Of which there was none.


      If the info was valuable would they admit it and do anything differently?

      So basically you're putting forward a conspiracy theory. In other words, a nothing burger.

      hockeybub89 posted...

      Intelligence agencies are already investigating because lies constantly surround people near Trump and dealings with Russians.

      K. Doesn't mean this is one of those cases.

      UnholyMudcrab posted...

      You tried this line of awkward semantics-poking before in another topic, and wisely dropped it because you presumably realized how ridiculous it sounded.

      Wow, projecting much?

      Not all sorts of information counts as a thing of value. That is explicitly stated by your own source. The meeting could only be considered illegal if the information they were provided was a certain sort of info, and since there was no info, then there was no thing of value.

      I'm not sure how to make that simpler.
      Freedom is the right to tell people what they do not want to hear.
      -George Orwell
      hockeybub89 15 hours ago#131
      Mal_Fet posted...
      K. Doesn't mean this is one of those cases.

      Doesn't mean it isn't. It couldn't hurt to throw it in the pile. You aren't a Republican and don't care for Trump. The truth is worth it, right?
      Darmik 15 hours ago#132
      Mal_Fet posted...
      So basically you're putting forward a conspiracy theory


      Lying isn't a conspiracy theory. Trump Jr had already changed his story 3 times as more info leaked out. Trump had already contradicted himself that he knew about this meeting.

      Neither of us know if there was anything of value during that meeting. Why would you take Trump Jr's word on it?
      Kind Regards,
      Darmik
      Mal_Fet 15 hours ago#133
      hockeybub89 posted...
      Mal_Fet posted...
      K. Doesn't mean this is one of those cases.

      Doesn't mean it isn't. It couldn't hurt to throw it in the pile. You aren't a Republican and don't care for Trump. The truth is worth it, right?

      No, unlike you I don't accuse politicians of things there's no evidence for. Not Obama, not Hillary, and not Trump.

      Darmik posted...
      Lying isn't a conspiracy theory. Trump Jr had already changed his story 3 times as more info leaked out. Trump had already contradicted himself that he knew about this meeting.

      Neither of us know if there was anything of value during that meeting. Why would you take Trump Jr's word on it?

      The emails that Trump Jr. himself released are the only source we have here. All the people involved, including the Russian lawyer herself, say there was no information about Hillary's campaign. You can't on one hand take Trump Jr.'s emails as the gospel truth and then refuse to believe him about anything else. It's really clear you're only willing to believe the things he tells you that you already want to believe.

      Because why stop there? Why not question whether the emails themselves are legitimate? If you're willing to insist that he, Kushner, Manafort, and Veselnitskaya are willing to lie about everything regarding their meeting, why don't you also question the validity of the very emails he released that started all this? Maybe the REAL conversation was about something even worse, and all this is a charade to keep the public distracted! Maybe it was really about giving Putin the nuclear codes!
      Freedom is the right to tell people what they do not want to hear.
      -George Orwell
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      Darmik 15 hours ago#134
      Mal_Fet posted...
      hockeybub89 posted...
      Mal_Fet posted...
      K. Doesn't mean this is one of those cases.

      Doesn't mean it isn't. It couldn't hurt to throw it in the pile. You aren't a Republican and don't care for Trump. The truth is worth it, right?

      No, unlike you I don't accuse politicians of things there's no evidence for. Not Obama, not Hillary, and not Trump.

      Darmik posted...
      Lying isn't a conspiracy theory. Trump Jr had already changed his story 3 times as more info leaked out. Trump had already contradicted himself that he knew about this meeting.

      Neither of us know if there was anything of value during that meeting. Why would you take Trump Jr's word on it?

      The emails that Trump Jr. himself released are the only source we have here. All the people involved, including the Russian lawyer herself, say there was no information about Hillary's campaign. You can't on one hand take Trump Jr.'s emails as the gospel truth and then refuse to believe him about anything else. It's really clear you're only willing to believe the things he tells you that you already want to believe.

      Because why stop there? Why not question whether the emails themselves are legitimate? If you're willing to insist that he, Kushner, Manafort, and Veselnitskaya are willing to lie about everything regarding their meeting, why don't you also question the validity of the very emails he released that started all this? Maybe the REAL conversation was about something even worse, and all this is a charade to keep the public distracted! Maybe it was really about giving Putin the nuclear codes!


      Err why would leaked private emails between several people that weren't intended to be read by the public be fake?
      Kind Regards,
      Darmik
      Mal_Fet 15 hours ago#135
      Darmik posted...
      Err why would leaked private emails between several people that weren't intended to be read by the public be fake?

      Trump Jr. leaked them himself. He coulda just written them all up in MS Word, right?
      Freedom is the right to tell people what they do not want to hear.
      -George Orwell
      Darmik 15 hours ago#136
      Mal_Fet posted...
      Darmik posted...
      Err why would leaked private emails between several people that weren't intended to be read by the public be fake?

      Trump Jr. leaked them himself. He coulda just written them all up in MS Word, right?


      Why would he do that?
      Kind Regards,
      Darmik
      Mal_Fet 15 hours ago#137
      Darmik posted...
      Mal_Fet posted...
      Darmik posted...
      Err why would leaked private emails between several people that weren't intended to be read by the public be fake?

      Trump Jr. leaked them himself. He coulda just written them all up in MS Word, right?


      Why would he do that?

      I dunno, why would he reveal all his emails about the event just to lie about what happened
      Freedom is the right to tell people what they do not want to hear.
      -George Orwell
      Mal_Fet posted...
      Darmik posted...
      Mal_Fet posted...
      Darmik posted...
      Err why would leaked private emails between several people that weren't intended to be read by the public be fake?

      Trump Jr. leaked them himself. He coulda just written them all up in MS Word, right?


      Why would he do that?

      I dunno, why would he reveal all his emails about the event just to lie about what happened

      because he's a dumbass who has no f***ing idea what he's doing.

      RE: Paul Ryan "Trump is too stupid to not leak information" except the son is even worse.
      Darmik 14 hours ago#139
      Mal_Fet posted...
      Darmik posted...
      Mal_Fet posted...
      Darmik posted...
      Err why would leaked private emails between several people that weren't intended to be read by the public be fake?

      Trump Jr. leaked them himself. He coulda just written them all up in MS Word, right?


      Why would he do that?

      I dunno, why would he reveal all his emails about the event just to lie about what happened


      Because the New York Times was gonna leak them anyway? Because the emails on their own have enough wriggle room for him to deny he did anything wrong even though they make him look bad?

      If you're gonna deflect you should probably check that there's logic behind it first.
      Kind Regards,
      Darmik
      Mal_Fet 14 hours ago#140
      ChromaticAngel posted...
      Mal_Fet posted...
      Darmik posted...
      Mal_Fet posted...
      Darmik posted...
      Err why would leaked private emails between several people that weren't intended to be read by the public be fake?

      Trump Jr. leaked them himself. He coulda just written them all up in MS Word, right?


      Why would he do that?

      I dunno, why would he reveal all his emails about the event just to lie about what happened

      because he's a dumbass who has no f***ing idea what he's doing.

      RE: Paul Ryan "Trump is too stupid to not leak information" except the son is even worse.

      So is he too dumb not to incriminate himself, but also smart enough to get four other people to commit to the same lie to get him off the hook?
      Freedom is the right to tell people what they do not want to hear.
      -George Orwell
      Mal_Fet 14 hours ago#141
      Darmik posted...
      Because the New York Times was gonna leak them anyway?

      What? No they weren't. The NYT guy had a story about the meeting happening, but he didn't have access to the emails.
      Freedom is the right to tell people what they do not want to hear.
      -George Orwell
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      Darmik 14 hours ago#142
      Mal_Fet posted...
      Darmik posted...
      Because the New York Times was gonna leak them anyway?

      What? No they weren't. The NYT guy had a story about the meeting happening, but he didn't have access to the emails.


      https://nytimes.com/2017/07/11/opinion/donald-trump-jr-emails-russia.html

      All along, the truth was right there in the emails — Donald Trump Jr.’s emails, that is, which he released publicly on Twitter Tuesday morning after learning that The New York Times was about to publish their contents.
      Kind Regards,
      Darmik
      Mal_Fet 14 hours ago#143
      Darmik posted...
      Mal_Fet posted...
      Darmik posted...
      Because the New York Times was gonna leak them anyway?

      What? No they weren't. The NYT guy had a story about the meeting happening, but he didn't have access to the emails.


      https://nytimes.com/2017/07/11/opinion/donald-trump-jr-emails-russia.html

      All along, the truth was right there in the emails — Donald Trump Jr.’s emails, that is, which he released publicly on Twitter Tuesday morning after learning that The New York Times was about to publish their contents.

      Unless you're accusing the reporter of committing a misdemeanor by hacking into a private citizen's email, I'm pretty sure they just mean he was going to report on the info that the emails confirmed. Not the actual emails themselves.
      Freedom is the right to tell people what they do not want to hear.
      -George Orwell
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      Darmik 14 hours ago#144
      Mal_Fet posted...
      Unless you're accusing the reporter of committing a misdemeanor by hacking into a private citizen's email, I'm pretty sure they just mean he was going to report on the info that the emails confirmed. Not the actual emails themselves.


      Or it was leaked to him because the Trump Administration is a leaky ship.

      Did we all hack Trump Jr because we read the emails genius?
      Kind Regards,
      Darmik
      Mal_Fet 14 hours ago#145
      Darmik posted...
      Or it was leaked to him because the Trump Administration is a leaky ship.

      The email was between himself and Goldstone, another guy who confirms that the lady had no info on Hillary. Only one of them could have released them.
      Freedom is the right to tell people what they do not want to hear.
      -George Orwell
      Darmik 14 hours ago#146
      Mal_Fet posted...
      Darmik posted...
      Or it was leaked to him because the Trump Administration is a leaky ship.

      The email was between himself and Goldstone, another guy who confirms that the lady had no info on Hillary. Only one of them could have released them.


      And? You forgot Kushner too.
      Kind Regards,
      Darmik
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      Mal_Fet 14 hours ago#147
      Darmik posted...
      Mal_Fet posted...
      Darmik posted...
      Or it was leaked to him because the Trump Administration is a leaky ship.

      The email was between himself and Goldstone, another guy who confirms that the lady had no info on Hillary. Only one of them could have released them.


      And? You forgot Kushner too.

      Ok, so you think another guy who also said that she had no information released the emails?
      Freedom is the right to tell people what they do not want to hear.
      -George Orwell
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      HypnoCoosh 9 hours ago#148
      @Samurontai posted...
      Ah, I voted for McCain back then because I was younger and less intelligent


      Obama ran a better campaign that McCain in 2008. But Obama is a smooth talker and turned out to be a liar and a race baiter. Hence why he didn't get my vote in 2012 and Romney was the better candidate, better than we had seen in decades.

      Also for the record in 2016 I didn't vote for Hillary or Trump.
      We make men without chests and expect from them virtue and enterprise. We laugh at honor and are shocked to find traitors in our midst. - C.S. Lewis
      HypnoCoosh posted...
      Also for the record in 2016 I didn't vote for Hillary or Trump.



      They weren't required to disclose these kinds of meetings. 2 private citizens meeting each other.
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