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July 18, 2017

Billionaire

Do you need to be a psychopath to become a billionaire? Nearly every one of them did some fucked up thing to get rich, whethwr it was fucking over a friend or business partner or stealing documents from the boss to open their own business with the information, or by lying through their teeth and putting on a fake persona of caring about the client when they don't actually give a fuck.

Bill Gates send vaccines loaded with poison to Africa. Warren Buffet pushes inheritance taxes so insolvent families are forced to sell their lived one's businesses to him. Elon Musk is deluding people and Larry Ellison hates is mom for dying on him. Steve Jobs treated his employees like pure garbage. George Soros destabilizes entire nations for fun.

I can't think of anything Richard Branson did beyond tax evasion, but I'm sure he did something unethical too. Is becoming a psychopath the only way to become a billionaire? Is the willingness to become a psychopath the same as being a psychopath? Did Richard Branson do some evil shit? Is becoming a psychopath the only way to massive wealth?

July 14, 2017

would it be wrong to smash the egg of an endangered species?

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darkphoenix181 2 hours ago#1
Like say a bald eagle?

I mean, it isn't a bald eagle yet, just an embryo right, so it should be completely fine to smash the egg or use it for experiments.
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chill02 2 hours ago#2
humans aren't endangered species
Ave, true to Caesar.
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Turtlebread 2 hours ago#4
nothing else needs to be said
darkphoenix181 2 hours ago#5
3 posts and none of them tried to answer the question with yes or no

hmmm
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Hexagon 2 hours ago#6
It's wrong and it has nothing to do with it being an embryo. Wine bottles in a store are neither embryos nor fully grown sentient beings yet we don't allow smashing them in stores without consequences unless you paid for them and even then you can get in trouble.
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darkphoenix181 1 hour ago#7
@chill02 posted...
humans aren't endangered species


are you saying an embryo is a human?

I am comparing an embryo with another embryo

:O

Fruedian slip hmm?


see, a BALD EAGLE is endangered

but we aren't talking about a bald eagle

we are talking about an embryo
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Samurontai 1 hour ago#8
darkphoenix181 1 hour ago#9
Samurontai posted...
I don't get it


it is very easy to understand
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Turtlebread 1 hour ago#10
an embryo that will become a member of an endangered species 

v easy to understand
darkphoenix181 1 hour ago#11
@Turtlebread posted...
an embryo that will become a member of an endangered species 

v easy to understand


so killing an embryo that will become a human is murder?

if not then what does that it will later become a bald eagle have to do with anything?

hmmm?
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Samurontai 1 hour ago#12
darkphoenix181 posted...
Samurontai posted...
I don't get it


it is very easy to understand


Nah, I don't understand why you made this topic tbh

I understand the meaning, but not the premise
Turtlebread 1 hour ago#13
Samurontai 1 hour ago#14
darkphoenix181 posted...
@Turtlebread posted...
an embryo that will become a member of an endangered species 

v easy to understand


so killing an embryo that will become a human is murder?

if not then what does that it will later become a bald eagle have to do with anything?

hmmm?


But it isn't murder because murder is a legal term 

And now I understand completely why you made this topic

And it's not going to help your pro life arguments at all because it's a dumb comparison
ZCheveyo 1 hour ago#15
darkphoenix181 posted...
see, a BALD EAGLE is endangered

Yeah....not since 2007.
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darkphoenix181 1 hour ago#16
Samurontai posted...
darkphoenix181 posted...
Samurontai posted...
I don't get it


it is very easy to understand


Nah, I don't understand why you made this topic tbh

I understand the meaning, but not the premise



you used the argument that what an embryo becomes is what is important to understand the badness of destroying it

an embryo that will turn into a bald eagle is wrong to destroy because? because it is wrong to destroy a bald eagle from it being endangered

apply that to an embryo that will become a human

explain to me the wrongness of destroying a human, what is the term for that?
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Yes.
Unless the egg happens to inhabit the body of a human being, prohibiting their actions and risking their life.

For example, the egg of an endangered parasite festering in someone's boil? Destroy it.
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darkphoenix181 1 hour ago#18
ZCheveyo posted...
darkphoenix181 posted...
see, a BALD EAGLE is endangered

Yeah....not since 2007.


use any endangered species

is their embryo as sacred as they are?

if so, why?
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Samurontai 1 hour ago#19
darkphoenix181 posted...
Samurontai posted...
darkphoenix181 posted...
Samurontai posted...
I don't get it


it is very easy to understand


Nah, I don't understand why you made this topic tbh

I understand the meaning, but not the premise



you used the argument that what an embryo becomes is what is important to understand the badness of destroying it

an embryo that will turn into a bald eagle is wrong to destroy because? because it is wrong to destroy a bald eagle from it being endangered

apply that to an embryo that will become a human

explain to me the wrongness of destroying a human, what is the term for that?


Nah it's wrong to destroy a bald eagles egg because it's our national bird

A term for wrongly destroying a human could also be called an accident tbh, among other things, only one of which are murder.

And you're argument is still invalid even given that tiny little last tid bit, because abortion is neither legally nor technically murder. It's literally what it's name implies. It's aborting.
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Samurontai 1 hour ago#20
darkphoenix181 posted...
ZCheveyo posted...
darkphoenix181 posted...
see, a BALD EAGLE is endangered

Yeah....not since 2007.


use any endangered species

is their embryo as sacred as they are?

if so, why?


Yep, because humans aren't endangered tbh

That's pretty much why. If humans were on the brink of becoming extinct, you could bet that whatever ruling government would put in place some sort of incentives to have people birth children, and probably some sort of punishment for aborting them (unless necessary)

But that's not currently what's happening.

Which is why your argument immediately falls apart
darkphoenix181 1 hour ago#21
Anarchy_Juiblex posted...
Yes.
Unless the egg happens to inhabit the body of a human being, prohibiting their actions and risking their life.

For example, the egg of an endangered parasite festering in someone's boil? Destroy it.


not everyone would agree with you on this

many thought Harambe should live and the little boy life not important
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darkphoenix181 1 hour ago#24
@Samurontai posted...
Yep, because humans aren't endangered tbh

That's pretty much why. If humans were on the brink of becoming extinct, you could bet that whatever ruling government would put in place some sort of incentives to have people birth children, and probably some sort of punishment for aborting them (unless necessary)

But that's not currently what's happening.

Which is why your argument immediately falls apart


neither is the embryo of the bald eagle or w\e endangered species

or are you arguing that an embryo is indeed the same thing as the animal after birth?

I thought the argument was embryo aren't humans

but you seem to think embryos are bald eagles

hmmm
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I'll say it. Terminating a pregnancy is murder.
Samurontai 1 hour ago#26
ToonLinkWithGun posted...
I'll say it. Terminating a pregnancy is murder.


Please take that claim to court

I'd pay to see the trial tbh
Samurontai posted...
ToonLinkWithGun posted...
I'll say it. Terminating a pregnancy is murder.


Please take that claim to court

I'd pay to see the trial tbh

You mean a room where a bunch of like minded people agree on something? Totally speaks for the world.
Samurontai 1 hour ago#28
ToonLinkWithGun posted...
Samurontai posted...
ToonLinkWithGun posted...
I'll say it. Terminating a pregnancy is murder.


Please take that claim to court

I'd pay to see the trial tbh

You mean a room where a bunch of like minded people agree on something? Totally speaks for the world.


So do you disagree that robbing a store is actually considered robbery if a court says so?
darkphoenix181 posted...
not everyone would agree with you on this


Since when is total agreement the metric for anything?

many thought Harambe should live and the little boy life not important


Those people were wrong, emotion, stupid, and naive. And the zoo, law, parents, govt. etc agreed with the decision to shoot because a human life takes precedent. Much like how the mother's autonomy takes precedent over the fetus.
f***ing derp.

And I doubt anyone at all would have a problem with wiping out a parasite off an actual human. So bringing up Harambe is a faulty analogy anyways.
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Samurontai posted...
ToonLinkWithGun posted...
I'll say it. Terminating a pregnancy is murder.


Please take that claim to court

I'd pay to see the trial tbh

We'll see what happens in court once Kennedy retires and Ginsberg dies.
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darkphoenix181 1 hour ago#31
Samurontai posted...
Ah, you're just trolling

Gg, you got me to bite


in what way am I trolling you?


you can cast away all religion or support for this side or the other and actually see that this is a good argument

go full logic


on one hand, you have an embryo
you determine this embryo is just cells, it is in no way equated with the life it WILL become

on the other hand, you have an embryo
you determine it should be equated with what it will turn into and make laws regarding that


so why the disconnect? 
think it through logically

hint it is illogical

cite all the gray areas, biases, conveniences etc you want
they don't remove that this is illogical
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Samurontai 1 hour ago#32
ThePrinceFish posted...
Samurontai posted...
ToonLinkWithGun posted...
I'll say it. Terminating a pregnancy is murder.


Please take that claim to court

I'd pay to see the trial tbh

We'll see what happens in court once Kennedy resigns and Ginsberg dies.


That's cool, I'm talking about now though
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Samurontai 1 hour ago#35
darkphoenix181 posted...
Samurontai posted...
Ah, you're just trolling

Gg, you got me to bite


in what way am I trolling you?


you can cast all religion or support for this side or the other and actually see that this is a good argument

go full logic


on one hand, you have an embryo
you determine this embryo is just cells, it is in no way equated with the life it WILL become

on the other hand, you have an embryo
you determine it should be equated with what it will turn into and make laws regarding that


so why the disconnect? 
think it through logically

hint it is illogical

cite all the gray areas, biases, conveniences etc you want
they don't remove that this is illogical


Because even casting every personal opinion aside, it's a stupid comparison

And I've already told you why plenty of times
Samurontai posted...
ToonLinkWithGun posted...
Samurontai posted...
ToonLinkWithGun posted...
I'll say it. Terminating a pregnancy is murder.


Please take that claim to court

I'd pay to see the trial tbh

You mean a room where a bunch of like minded people agree on something? Totally speaks for the world.


So do you disagree that robbing a store is actually considered robbery if a court says so?

Lol arguing stealing which has been universally considered wrong for thousands of years vs surgically terminating an unwanted pregnancy which has only been legal for less than one hundred years.
darkphoenix181 1 hour ago#37
Samurontai posted...
Because even casting every personal opinion aside, it's a stupid comparison

And I've already told you why plenty of times


everything you said has been countered

darkphoenix181 posted...
@Samurontai posted...
Yep, because humans aren't endangered tbh

That's pretty much why. If humans were on the brink of becoming extinct, you could bet that whatever ruling government would put in place some sort of incentives to have people birth children, and probably some sort of punishment for aborting them (unless necessary)

But that's not currently what's happening.

Which is why your argument immediately falls apart


neither is the embryo of the bald eagle or w\e endangered species

or are you arguing that an embryo is indeed the same thing as the animal after birth?

I thought the argument was embryo aren't humans

but you seem to think embryos are bald eagles

hmmm
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darkphoenix181 posted...
on one hand, you have an embryo
you determine this embryo is just cells, it is in no way equated with the life it WILL become

on the other hand, you have an embryo
you determine it should be equated with what it will turn into and make laws regarding that


It's almost like there's no conflict of rights for animal embryos but there are for people's . . .
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Samurontai 1 hour ago#39
ToonLinkWithGun posted...
Samurontai posted...
ToonLinkWithGun posted...
Samurontai posted...
ToonLinkWithGun posted...
I'll say it. Terminating a pregnancy is murder.


Please take that claim to court

I'd pay to see the trial tbh

You mean a room where a bunch of like minded people agree on something? Totally speaks for the world.


So do you disagree that robbing a store is actually considered robbery if a court says so?

Lol arguing stealing which has been universally considered wrong for thousands of years vs surgically terminating an unwanted pregnancy which has only been legal for less than one hundred years.


Blatantly false, abortion has been a thing since antiquity 

@darkphoenix181

That's literally not countering my argument at all. I literally said in another post that smashing a bald eagles egg is bad because it's the national bird, and it's illegal

Learn to read, or troll better please
darkphoenix181 1 hour ago#40
Anarchy_Juiblex posted...
What is it okay to own cattle but not own people tc?


there is a movement against this saying it is wrong and you can't own them

but others would answer it is because humans have souls and animals do not


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darkphoenix181 1 hour ago#41
@Samurontai posted...

That's literally not countering my argument at all. I literally said in another post that smashing a bald eagles egg is bad because it's the national bird, and it's illegal

Learn to read, or troll better please


you just said an embryo is a bird

it's the national bird, and it's illegal


what part of that do you not get?

inside the egg is an embryo


do you consider an embryo in a person a human? yes or no?
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ToonLinkWithGun posted...
Samurontai posted...
ToonLinkWithGun posted...
I'll say it. Terminating a pregnancy is murder.


Please take that claim to court

I'd pay to see the trial tbh

You mean a room where a bunch of like minded people agree on something? Totally speaks for the world.

Stay upset. 

Abortion, legally, isn't murder. 

And anyone who didn't immediately see that TC was posting low quality bait from the OP is lol. He couldn't make t anymore obvious he was just s***posting.
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Samurontai 1 hour ago#45
darkphoenix181 posted...
@Samurontai posted...

That's literally not countering my argument at all. I literally said in another post that smashing a bald eagles egg is bad because it's the national bird, and it's illegal

Learn to read, or troll better please


you just said an embryo is a bird

it's the national bird, and it's illegal


what part of that do you not get?

inside the egg is an embryo


do you consider an embryo in a person a human? yes or no?


Yep, an embryo that will eventually turn into whatever it's parent is (typically)

What's your point?
Samurontai 1 hour ago#46
sktgamer_13dude posted...
ToonLinkWithGun posted...
Samurontai posted...
ToonLinkWithGun posted...
I'll say it. Terminating a pregnancy is murder.


Please take that claim to court

I'd pay to see the trial tbh

You mean a room where a bunch of like minded people agree on something? Totally speaks for the world.

Stay upset. 

Abortion, legally, isn't murder. 

And anyone who didn't immediately see that TC was posting low quality bait from the OP is lol. He couldn't make t anymore obvious he was just s***posting.


I know he's s*** posting, I'm just humoring him because I'm bored
This analogy is flawed. With abortion, it's the decision of the mother.

In your scenario, an outside force is acting maliciously to destroy an egg the mother intended to incubate.

Hence the term "pro-choice". By destroying the egg, you stripped the choice from the Eagle. That would be wrong. Now if the bird had decided to drop the egg out of its nest, destroying it? Nothing wrong with that.
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ToonLinkWithGun posted...
Samurontai posted...
ToonLinkWithGun posted...
Samurontai posted...
ToonLinkWithGun posted...
I'll say it. Terminating a pregnancy is murder.


Please take that claim to court

I'd pay to see the trial tbh

You mean a room where a bunch of like minded people agree on something? Totally speaks for the world.


So do you disagree that robbing a store is actually considered robbery if a court says so?

Lol arguing stealing which has been universally considered wrong for thousands of years vs surgically terminating an unwanted pregnancy which has only been legal for less than one hundred years.

Appeal to tradition. 

Please come up with a better excuse for you s*** opinion than a logical fallacy please.
darkphoenix181 1 hour ago#49
Samurontai posted...
darkphoenix181 posted...
@Samurontai posted...

That's literally not countering my argument at all. I literally said in another post that smashing a bald eagles egg is bad because it's the national bird, and it's illegal

Learn to read, or troll better please


you just said an embryo is a bird

it's the national bird, and it's illegal


what part of that do you not get?

inside the egg is an embryo


do you consider an embryo in a person a human? yes or no?


Yep, an embryo that will eventually turn into whatever it's parent is (typically)

What's your point?


so if you smash an egg, you smashed a bird


so what if you smash an embryo a human made? you smashed a human correct?
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Abortion is murder. Don't care what the law says. You are terminating life and that life is and will always be human.
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    Also lol TC. Literally equating an animal to a human. 

    Different laws.
    Samurontai 1 hour ago#52
    darkphoenix181 posted...
    Samurontai posted...
    darkphoenix181 posted...
    @Samurontai posted...

    That's literally not countering my argument at all. I literally said in another post that smashing a bald eagles egg is bad because it's the national bird, and it's illegal

    Learn to read, or troll better please


    you just said an embryo is a bird

    it's the national bird, and it's illegal


    what part of that do you not get?

    inside the egg is an embryo


    do you consider an embryo in a person a human? yes or no?


    Yep, an embryo that will eventually turn into whatever it's parent is (typically)

    What's your point?


    so if you smash an egg, you smashed a bird


    so what if you smash an embryo a human made? you smashed a human correct?


    No you wouldn't be smashing a bird.

    Typically you don't smash human embryos, and no you wouldn't be smashing a human

    You'd be smashing a clump of cells that will eventually turn into a human (maybe)
    Samurontai 1 hour ago#53
    sktgamer_13dude posted...
    Also lol TC. Literally equating an animal to a human. 

    Different laws.


    Dammit, I was gonna bring that up in the next post >__>
    darkphoenix181 posted...
    Samurontai posted...
    darkphoenix181 posted...
    @Samurontai posted...

    That's literally not countering my argument at all. I literally said in another post that smashing a bald eagles egg is bad because it's the national bird, and it's illegal

    Learn to read, or troll better please


    you just said an embryo is a bird

    it's the national bird, and it's illegal


    what part of that do you not get?

    inside the egg is an embryo


    do you consider an embryo in a person a human? yes or no?


    Yep, an embryo that will eventually turn into whatever it's parent is (typically)

    What's your point?


    so if you smash an egg, you smashed a bird


    so what if you smash an embryo a human made? you smashed a human correct?

    Hahahahaha this guy thinks an egg is a bird
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    ToonLinkWithGun posted...
    Abortion is murder. Don't care what the law says. You are terminating life and that life is and will always be human.

    Again, you're wrong. 

    Murder is a legal definition. You can say it's wrong and you don't like it. But that doesn't mean it's murder. That's a lazy way to argue and it's bad rhetoric.
    darkphoenix181 1 hour ago#56
    buddhamonster posted...
    This analogy is flawed. With abortion, it's the decision of the mother.

    In your scenario, an outside force is acting maliciously to destroy an egg the mother intended to incubate.

    Hence the term "pro-choice". By destroying the egg, you stripped the choice from the Eagle. That would be wrong. Now if the bird had decided to drop the egg out of it's nest, destroying it? Nothing wrong with that.


    nope

    did you have breakfast this morning? the chicken wanted to incubate that you know?

    people comment the bald eagle is because what the EMBRYO turns into is ENDANGERED is the point

    as such
    Now if the bird had decided to drop the egg out of it's nest, destroying it? Nothing wrong with that.

    their argument that it would turn into an endangered bird is still valid
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    No. Species become endangered for a reason. Let them go extinct. Crushing eggs is a simple way to end the suffering of being one of the last few survivors and not being able to find food or anyone to mate with.
    darkphoenix181 posted...
    but others would answer it is because humans have souls and animals do not


    LMFAO.
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    Samurontai 1 hour ago#60
    darkphoenix181 posted...
    buddhamonster posted...
    This analogy is flawed. With abortion, it's the decision of the mother.

    In your scenario, an outside force is acting maliciously to destroy an egg the mother intended to incubate.

    Hence the term "pro-choice". By destroying the egg, you stripped the choice from the Eagle. That would be wrong. Now if the bird had decided to drop the egg out of it's nest, destroying it? Nothing wrong with that.


    nope

    did you have breakfast this morning? the chicken wanted to incubate that you know?

    people comment the bald eagle is because what the EMBRYO turns into is ENDANGERED is the point

    as such
    Now if the bird had decided to drop the egg out of it's nest, destroying it? Nothing wrong with that.

    their argument that it would turn into an endangered bird is still valid


    The bald eagle isn't endangered though
    darkphoenix181 posted...
    buddhamonster posted...
    This analogy is flawed. With abortion, it's the decision of the mother.

    In your scenario, an outside force is acting maliciously to destroy an egg the mother intended to incubate.

    Hence the term "pro-choice". By destroying the egg, you stripped the choice from the Eagle. That would be wrong. Now if the bird had decided to drop the egg out of it's nest, destroying it? Nothing wrong with that.


    nope

    did you have breakfast this morning? the chicken wanted to incubate that you know?

    people comment the bald eagle is because what the EMBRYO turns into is ENDANGERED is the point

    as such
    Now if the bird had decided to drop the egg out of it's nest, destroying it? Nothing wrong with that.

    their argument that it would turn into an endangered bird is still valid

    Holy s*** he has no idea how eggs work at all, this is amazing
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    darkphoenix181 1 hour ago#62
    Samurontai posted...
    No you wouldn't be smashing a bird.

    Typically you don't smash human embryos, and no you wouldn't be smashing a human

    You'd be smashing a clump of cells that will eventually turn into a human (maybe)


    then why you keep arguing that smashing the egg means I killed an endagered bald eagle?


    Samurontai posted...
    I literally said in another post that smashing a bald eagles egg is bad because it's the national bird, and it's illegal



    It is like you know the answer but refuse to believe it 


    like it is there in the back of your mind

    but you deny it
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    We should lock up eagles that drop their eggs. 

    I mean, it's murder!!!!!! That was a bird!!!!!!!

    rofl
    shockthemonkey posted...
    Holy s*** he has no idea how eggs work at all, this is amazing


    Wait darkphoenix doesn't know how something works? Color me surprised lol
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    UnholyMudcrab posted...
    This must have sounded a lot better in your head
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    Samurontai 1 hour ago#66
    darkphoenix181 posted...
    Samurontai posted...
    No you wouldn't be smashing a bird.

    Typically you don't smash human embryos, and no you wouldn't be smashing a human

    You'd be smashing a clump of cells that will eventually turn into a human (maybe)


    then why you keep arguing that smashing the egg means I killed an endagered bald eagle?


    Samurontai posted...
    I literally said in another post that smashing a bald eagles egg is bad because it's the national bird, and it's illegal



    It is like you know the answer but refuse to believe it 


    like it is there in the back of your mind

    but you deny it


    Bald eagles aren't endangered, and that's not what I'm arguing at all

    That's what the laws states. Like, I specifically said that in the post
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    darkphoenix181 1 hour ago#67
    Anarchy_Juiblex posted...
    darkphoenix181 posted...
    but others would answer it is because humans have souls and animals do not


    LMFAO.


    what is the issue?

    those who believe man is an animal without a soul and not much different that other animals

    how do they justify caging other animals and viciously killing them?

    read the PETA article, maybe they have a point

    they claim cows are very intelligent and have lots of feelings


    so if you don't believe in a soul, why you eat meat and how can you do that to a fellow animal that is just as smart and conscious as you are?
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    sktgamer_13dude posted...
    ToonLinkWithGun posted...
    Abortion is murder. Don't care what the law says. You are terminating life and that life is and will always be human.

    Again, you're wrong. 

    Murder is a legal definition. You can say it's wrong and you don't like it. But that doesn't mean it's murder. That's a lazy way to argue and it's bad rhetoric.

    Murder is defined as a premeditated killing of another human being. Whether you like it or not, a fetus is a human being. Humanity has gotten away with defining it as something else so they can legally kill it. 

    But the law says so so it's cool. Right
    Samurontai 1 hour ago#69
    ToonLinkWithGun posted...
    sktgamer_13dude posted...
    ToonLinkWithGun posted...
    Abortion is murder. Don't care what the law says. You are terminating life and that life is and will always be human.

    Again, you're wrong. 

    Murder is a legal definition. You can say it's wrong and you don't like it. But that doesn't mean it's murder. That's a lazy way to argue and it's bad rhetoric.

    Murder is defined as a premeditated killing of another human being. Whether you like it or not, a fetus is a human being. Humanity has gotten away with defining it as something else so they can legally kill it. 

    But the law says so so it's cool. Right


    Would you call death sentencing murder?

    What about euthanization?

    Or pulling the plug in a hospital?
    ToonLinkWithGun posted...
    sktgamer_13dude posted...
    ToonLinkWithGun posted...
    Abortion is murder. Don't care what the law says. You are terminating life and that life is and will always be human.

    Again, you're wrong. 

    Murder is a legal definition. You can say it's wrong and you don't like it. But that doesn't mean it's murder. That's a lazy way to argue and it's bad rhetoric.

    Murder is defined as a premeditated killing of another human being. Whether you like it or not, a fetus is a human being. Humanity has gotten away with defining it as something else so they can legally kill it. 

    But the law says so so it's cool. Right

    "This is the legal definition that I'm following, and I don't care that abortion isn't legally defined like this because I'm mad" is a really funny argument.
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    Sure it's murder. What did a fetus do to deserve a death sentence?

    What did an old person who can't make a decision do to deserve that someone end their life?

    Why do we get to decide to pull the plug on someone because we decide that their life is no longer valuable?
    You're damn right I'm mad. 50+ million abortions...all justified
    darkphoenix181 1 hour ago#73
    Samurontai posted...
    Bald eagles aren't endangered, and that's not what I'm arguing at all

    That's what the laws states. Like, I specifically said that in the post


    would you say the law in inconsistent on how it views embryos?

    why or why not?
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    darkphoenix181 posted...
    Samurontai posted...
    Bald eagles aren't endangered, and that's not what I'm arguing at all

    That's what the laws states. Like, I specifically said that in the post


    would you say the law in inconsistent on how it views embryos?

    why or why not?

    Do you want bald eagle mothers arrested if they drop their eggs?
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    Samurontai 1 hour ago#75
    ToonLinkWithGun posted...
    Sure it's murder. What did a fetus do to deserve a death sentence?

    What did an old person who can't make a decision do to deserve that someone end their life?

    Why do we get to decide to pull the plug on someone because we decide that their life is no longer valuable?


    Okay, then what are your views on self defense?
    Samurontai 1 hour ago#76
    darkphoenix181 posted...
    Samurontai posted...
    Bald eagles aren't endangered, and that's not what I'm arguing at all

    That's what the laws states. Like, I specifically said that in the post


    would you say the law in inconsistent on how it views embryos?

    why or why not?


    Nope, because why would I?

    Just because the law views something a different way than I do doesn't mean I should just ignore it and pretend it's wrong

    Otherwise I'd be jaywalking all day
    JohnLennon6 1 hour ago#77
    Holy dodging the question Batman!
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    darkphoenix181 1 hour ago#78
    Samurontai posted...
    Just because the law views something a different way than I do doesn't mean I should just ignore it and pretend it's wrong


    that is not what I am saying

    it is because the law views embryo in two different ways

    perhaps the treating the embyro of bald eagle as bald eagle is outdated and it should not be equated as the bird

    but if it were simply outdated then this thread would never got any replies :P

    consistency is important
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    darkphoenix181 1 hour ago#79
    shockthemonkey posted...
    darkphoenix181 posted...
    Samurontai posted...
    Bald eagles aren't endangered, and that's not what I'm arguing at all

    That's what the laws states. Like, I specifically said that in the post


    would you say the law in inconsistent on how it views embryos?

    why or why not?

    Do you want bald eagle mothers arrested if they drop their eggs?


    yes
    put them on death row
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    GiftedACIII 1 hour ago#81
    Here, how about this? It's bad because the embryo itself is rare. It's not the same as the bald eagle but due to the bald eagle/whatever endangered species being rare, the embryo is also rare, which is why it's bad to destroy it... just like how destroying wine bottles is bad like someone mentioned earlier. 
    Also why destroying a lab's container of semen in sperm banks is bad even though you destroy semen every time you jack off. 
    Completely separate things
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    ToonLinkWithGun 59 minutes ago#82
    Samurontai posted...
    ToonLinkWithGun posted...
    Sure it's murder. What did a fetus do to deserve a death sentence?

    What did an old person who can't make a decision do to deserve that someone end their life?

    Why do we get to decide to pull the plug on someone because we decide that their life is no longer valuable?


    Okay, then what are your views on self defense?

    If someone is coming at me with a knife or a gun, I should be able to fight back. Are you saying that the 50+ million abortions performed in the US alone were fetus' trying to kill its host?
    Samurontai 58 minutes ago#83
    ToonLinkWithGun posted...
    Samurontai posted...
    ToonLinkWithGun posted...
    Sure it's murder. What did a fetus do to deserve a death sentence?

    What did an old person who can't make a decision do to deserve that someone end their life?

    Why do we get to decide to pull the plug on someone because we decide that their life is no longer valuable?


    Okay, then what are your views on self defense?

    If someone is coming at me with a knife or a gun, I should be able to fight back. Are you saying that the 50+ million abortions performed in the US alone were fetus' trying to kill its host?


    Nope, but I am saying that your holier than thou "all life is precious" rhetoric is complete bs and that you're a hypocrite based on that response alone
    JohnLennon6 56 minutes ago#84
    Samurontai posted...
    ToonLinkWithGun posted...
    Samurontai posted...
    ToonLinkWithGun posted...
    Sure it's murder. What did a fetus do to deserve a death sentence?

    What did an old person who can't make a decision do to deserve that someone end their life?

    Why do we get to decide to pull the plug on someone because we decide that their life is no longer valuable?


    Okay, then what are your views on self defense?

    If someone is coming at me with a knife or a gun, I should be able to fight back. Are you saying that the 50+ million abortions performed in the US alone were fetus' trying to kill its host?


    Nope, but I am saying that your holier than thou "all life is precious" rhetoric is complete bs and that you're a hypocrite based on that response alone

    I'm guessing you think this is some epic 'gotcha!' moment
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    ToonLinkWithGun 27 minutes ago#85
    JohnLennon6 posted...
    Samurontai posted...
    ToonLinkWithGun posted...
    Samurontai posted...
    ToonLinkWithGun posted...
    Sure it's murder. What did a fetus do to deserve a death sentence?

    What did an old person who can't make a decision do to deserve that someone end their life?

    Why do we get to decide to pull the plug on someone because we decide that their life is no longer valuable?


    Okay, then what are your views on self defense?

    If someone is coming at me with a knife or a gun, I should be able to fight back. Are you saying that the 50+ million abortions performed in the US alone were fetus' trying to kill its host?


    Nope, but I am saying that your holier than thou "all life is precious" rhetoric is complete bs and that you're a hypocrite based on that response alone

    I'm guessing you think this is some epic 'gotcha!' moment

    He sure does! How dare I protect myself from someone trying to kill me...but fetus' are literally trying to kill mother's from the inside so it's completely okay to murder them in the womb!
    ThyCorndog 25 minutes ago#86
    UnholyMudcrab posted...
    This must have sounded a lot better in your head
    sktgamer_13dude 13 minutes ago#87
    One could argue where a pregnancy and birth that leads to a mother dying is in fact the baby killing its mother. Better lock that baby up for MURDER!!!!!!!

    lol

    Also what's your opinions on abortions in the times where the birth would kill the mother? What about abortions in times of rape? And if you say adoptions services, you better be willing to fork over your taxes for it.
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    JohnLennon6 11 minutes ago#88
    JohnLennon6 posted...
    Holy dodging the question Batman!
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    darkphoenix181 11 minutes ago#89
    sktgamer_13dude posted...
    One could argue where a pregnancy and birth that leads to a mother dying is in fact the baby killing its mother.


    so if the child grows up, do we throw him in jail for murdering his mother?
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    sktgamer_13dude 9 minutes ago#90
    JohnLennon6 posted...
    JohnLennon6 posted...
    Holy dodging the question Batman!

    The answer is yes. Killing an egg of an endangerous species is illegal and bad. It should be against the Le. Abortion is nothing like killing an egg and should not be illegal. 

    Scenarios involving an animal (and an endangered animal at that) being compared to a literal human are stupid and low bait trolling attempts. 

    Abortion is not murder. 

    There I answered the question.
    sktgamer_13dude 7 minutes ago#91
    darkphoenix181 posted...
    sktgamer_13dude posted...
    One could argue where a pregnancy and birth that leads to a mother dying is in fact the baby killing its mother.


    so if the child grows up, do we throw him in jail for murdering his mother?

    Your side is the one that brought up that birth isn't a baby killing at mom.
    JohnLennon6 6 minutes ago#92
    sktgamer_13dude posted...
    darkphoenix181 posted...
    sktgamer_13dude posted...
    One could argue where a pregnancy and birth that leads to a mother dying is in fact the baby killing its mother.


    so if the child grows up, do we throw him in jail for murdering his mother?

    Your side is the one that brought up that birth isn't a baby killing at mom.

    Nobody said that.
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    sktgamer_13dude 3 minutes ago#93
    ToonLinkWithGun posted...
    JohnLennon6 posted...
    Samurontai posted...
    ToonLinkWithGun posted...
    Samurontai posted...
    ToonLinkWithGun posted...
    Sure it's murder. What did a fetus do to deserve a death sentence?

    What did an old person who can't make a decision do to deserve that someone end their life?

    Why do we get to decide to pull the plug on someone because we decide that their life is no longer valuable?


    Okay, then what are your views on self defense?

    If someone is coming at me with a knife or a gun, I should be able to fight back. Are you saying that the 50+ million abortions performed in the US alone were fetus' trying to kill its host?


    Nope, but I am saying that your holier than thou "all life is precious" rhetoric is complete bs and that you're a hypocrite based on that response alone

    I'm guessing you think this is some epic 'gotcha!' moment

    He sure does! How dare I protect myself from someone trying to kill me...but fetus' are literally trying to kill mother's from the inside so it's completely okay to murder them in the womb!

    "No one said that!!!!"
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