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July 13, 2017

Gitmo terrorist who killed a U.S. soldier gets $8M and apology from Canada gov't

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The Admiral 3 hours ago#1
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/the_americas/ex-gitmo-has-received-multimillion-payment-from-canada/2017/07/06/c953e918-62c7-11e7-80a2-8c226031ac3f_story.html

A former Guantanamo Bay prisoner who pleaded guilty to killing a U.S. soldier in Afghanistan received an apology and a multimillion-dollar payment from the Canadian government after a court ruling said his rights were abused.

A government statement Friday said details of the settlement with Omar Khadr were confidential, but an official familiar with the deal said previously that it was for 10.5 million Canadian dollars ($8 million). A different official confirmed the money had been given to Khadr. Both insisted on speaking anonymously because they were not authorized to discuss the deal publicly.

The government and Khadr’s lawyers negotiated the deal last month based on a 2010 Supreme Court of Canada ruling that Canadian officials violated his rights at Guantanamo.

“On behalf of the government of Canada, we wish to apologize to Mr. Khadr for any role Canadian officials may have played in relation to his ordeal abroad and any resulting harm,” said a statement from Public Safety Minister Ralph Goodale and Foreign Affairs Minister Chrystia Freeland.

He pleaded guilty in 2010 to charges that included murder and was sentenced to eight years plus the time he had already spent in custody. He returned to Canada two years later to serve the remainder of his sentence and was released in May 2015 pending an appeal of his guilty plea, which he said was made under duress.


Wow.

I won't blame Canadians as a whole for supporting this stupidity, as 71% of them are against it:
http://globalnews.ca/news/3589498/omar-khadr-compensation-canadians-poll/
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GOATTHlEF 3 hours ago#2
He was sent to the states to be tortured. Knowingly. That's not okay.
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Webmaster4531 3 hours ago#3
He probably has rich relatives.
Ad Hominem.
darkphoenix181 3 hours ago#4
guess some terror organization is about to get millions in funding
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Cj_WlLL_VVlN 3 hours ago#5
darkphoenix181 posted...
guess some terror organization is about to get millions in funding


Can the soldiers family sue him for 8 million dollars before he has the chance?
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Broseph_Stalin 3 hours ago#6
And this is why you don't torture people. This is why Obama tried to shut that place down. This is why we have a legal system.
Doom_Art 3 hours ago#7
Don't get to pick and choose who the Charter applies to.

He was a citizen and his rights were violated.
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Doom_Art 3 hours ago#9
gatorsPENSbucs posted...
5 years for murder. What a world.

Cases like this are basically why child soldier laws exist yo
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Funkydog  question him ALWAYS3 hours ago#10
Maybe America shouldn't torture people and this wouldn't have happened
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Lorenzo_2003 3 hours ago#11
Yeah, we talked about this a little while ago. I think it was half and half amongst the people who replied, regarding whether or not we agreed with the turn of events. Personally, I think they should have made sure he was dead on the field. But it's Canada paying him, so that's to be expected.
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GOATTHlEF 3 hours ago#12
Funkydog posted...
Maybe America shouldn't torture people and this wouldn't have happened
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VectorChaos 3 hours ago#13
Imagine paying a literal enemy combatant for any reason.
The Admiral 3 hours ago#14
GOATTHlEF posted...
Funkydog posted...
Maybe America shouldn't torture people and this wouldn't have happened


This guy wasn't tortured.
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Doom_Art 3 hours ago#15
Lorenzo_2003 posted...
Personally, I think they should have made sure he was dead on the field. But it's Canada paying him, so that's to be expected.

elaborate?

The Admiral posted...
This guy wasn't tortured.

Sleep deprivation is a form of torture, Addy

lol I called you "Mal" oops
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Sir Will 3 hours ago#16
darkphoenix181 posted...
guess some terror organization is about to get millions in funding

No.

Cj_WlLL_VVlN posted...
Can the soldiers family sue him for 8 million dollars before he has the chance?

They're trying. I mean, they had a shame of a trial in the US that awarded them like 130+ million but that doesn't apply to our country. They're going through our courts to try and get the money though. Just today they applied to have his assets frozen while they try to sue him here and it was denied.

Funkydog posted...
Maybe America shouldn't torture people and this wouldn't have happened

Pretty much, though for this ruling specifically it was because Canadian officials were complicit with the torture.

The Admiral posted...
This guy wasn't tortured.

Yes he was and the Supreme Court says so.
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FrisbeeDude  attack always3 hours ago#17
The Admiral posted...
GOATTHlEF posted...
Funkydog posted...
Maybe America shouldn't torture people and this wouldn't have happened


This guy wasn't tortured.


What constitutes torture to you?
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0TiamaT0 3 hours ago#18
GOATTHlEF posted...
Funkydog posted...
Maybe America shouldn't torture people and this wouldn't have happened


Even if he was, he killed a US Soldier. He would have deserved any torture they gave him.
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Lorenzo_2003 3 hours ago#19
The Admiral posted...

This guy wasn't tortured.


Sleep deprivation is what I remember. That can be torture. I mean I'd rather be tortured that way, instead of other ways, but still. Anyway, like I said, they should have killed him on the field instead.
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There's a lot of gray surrounding this case.

The "murder" was alleged. They say he threw a grenade but couldn't prove it, sent him to Guantanamo Bay where he was "interrogated" allegedly tortured (He was under 18 at the time) and was told he would never be allowed to leave until he confessed.

Then the second he got back to Canada he renouced the confession and kicked up a storm and has done for years.

It's a big issue of rights violation.


I still think there's an argument to be made about what he deserves, but people do themselves no favors when they say " terrorist who killed a U.S. solier gets given MILLIONS!"

They're just as dumb and kool-aid drinking as the "Zimmerman was a cop who shot Trayvon Martin in the back of the head because he's so racist!" guys.

Life isn't as simple a that, you're just looking for reasons to simplify things to justify being angry
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Sir Will 3 hours ago#22
0TiamaT0 posted...
Even if he was, he killed a US Soldier. He would have deserved any torture they gave him.

Nope.
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Duncanwii 3 hours ago#23
0TiamaT0 posted...
GOATTHlEF posted...
Funkydog posted...
Maybe America shouldn't torture people and this wouldn't have happened


Even if he was, he killed a US Soldier. He would have deserved any torture they gave him.

No. No one deserves torture. No one. Period.
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Doom_Art 3 hours ago#24
0TiamaT0 posted...
Even if he was, he killed a US Soldier. He would have deserved any torture they gave him.

Torture is illegal

Doom_Art posted...
Don't get to pick and choose who the Charter applies to. 



DragonGirlYuki posted...
I applaud Trudeau for his stewardship of the public purse and not passing the buck to the courts. If he was selfish he could have avoided heat and cost taxpayers double the settlement by dragging it through the courts.

It needed to end. It's been going on for nearly 2 decades. The Supreme Court ruled in his favor. It's time to makes amends and put it to rest.
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Sputnik1337 3 hours ago#25
DragonGirlYuki posted...
I applaud Trudeau for his stewardship of the public purse and not passing the buck to the courts. If he was selfish he could have avoided heat and cost taxpayers double the settlement by dragging it through the courts.

We already spent like $100m trying to fight this in the courts
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The Admiral posted...
This guy wasn't tortured.


Just stop before you get warned again dude.
And by settling the government cut their losses which is great.
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The Admiral 2 hours ago#28
Broseph_Stalin posted...
The Admiral posted...
This guy wasn't tortured.


Just stop before you get warned again dude.


Just use the ignore list if you're too sensitive for this kind of discussion. You b**** like this all the time.
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Sir Will 2 hours ago#29
The Admiral posted...
Just use the ignore list if you're too sensitive for this kind of discussion. You b**** like this all the time.

You're still wrong.
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Doom_Art 2 hours ago#30
The Admiral posted...
Just use the ignore list if you're too sensitive for this kind of discussion. You b**** like this all the time.

Sleep deprivation is torture, Addy
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Antifar 2 hours ago#31
If you have a charter on human rights, it has to apply to everyone, or else it's not really about human rights.
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Doom_Art 2 hours ago#32
Antifar posted...
If you have a charter on human rights, it has to apply to everyone, or else it's not really about human rights.

Yes, picking and choosing who rights apply to and when kinda undermines the entire purpose.
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You b**** like this all the time.


Man self-awareness would do you wonders.

And I'm just giving you advice here. You're warned a lot.
mario2000 2 hours ago#34
i thought washington post was one of those fayk nooz sites that people like tc hate

why is he posting it
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Antifar posted...
If you have a charter on human rights, it has to apply to everyone, or else it's not really about human rights.

Well put
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Lorenzo_2003 2 hours ago#36
Doom_Art posted...
Lorenzo_2003 posted...
Personally, I think they should have made sure he was dead on the field. But it's Canada paying him, so that's to be expected.

elaborate?


Which part?

He was an enemy combatant. I'm not even considering the fact that he pleaded guilty to killing the US soldier. He should have been killed on the field because he took up arms and engaged in a firefight on behalf of Al-Qaeda. I do not agree with torture, though.

Regarding the Canada comment, that one should be obvious. In Canada, for example, you can sue and win against a comedian, if they hurt your feelings. Yes, that's actually happened, at least twice in the last four years. It does not surprise me one bit that Canadians would not only pay a terrorist but that they would also apologize to him. But, it's Canada and it's Canadian tax money, so whatever.
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The Admiral 2 hours ago#37
Lorenzo_2003 posted...
Doom_Art posted...
Lorenzo_2003 posted...
Personally, I think they should have made sure he was dead on the field. But it's Canada paying him, so that's to be expected.

elaborate?


Which part?

He was an enemy combatant. I'm not even considering the fact that he pleaded guilty to killing the US soldier. He should have been killed on the field because he took up arms and engaged in a firefight on behalf of Al-Qaeda. I do not agree with torture, though.

Regarding the Canada comment, that one should be obvious. In Canada, for example, you can sue and win against a comedian, if they hurt your feelings. Yes, that's actually happened, at least twice in the last four years. It does not surprise me one bit that Canadians would not only pay a terrorist but that they would also apologize to him. But, it's Canada and it's Canadian tax money, so whatever.


And even the vast majority of Canadian citizens are disgusted by this.
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The Admiral posted...
And even the vast majority of Canadian citizens are disgusted by this.


Our governments were founded on liberal reason, not conservative emotion. What people feel is irrelevant.
Sir Will 2 hours ago#39
Lorenzo_2003 posted...
It does not surprise me one bit that Canadians would not only pay a terrorist but that they would also apologize to him. But, it's Canada and it's Canadian tax money, so whatever.

Human. Rights. Violations.

The Admiral posted...
And even the vast majority of Canadian citizens are disgusted by this.

Irrelevant to the law.


Now granted, the case probably wasn't as hopeless as they say. But Khadr did have a very good chance of winning based on the previous SC ruling. How much would he have gotten? Unknown. Probably not the 20 million asked for and maybe not the 10.5 he got.

I'm not overly happy with the amount but his rights WERE violated.
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0TiamaT0 2 hours ago#40
@Doom_Art

So is murder.
Myths, Lies and complete stupidity barely scratch the surface of your ignorance.
Antifar 2 hours ago#41
The Admiral posted...
And even the vast majority of Canadian citizens are disgusted by this.

Do you think justice should be meted out via public opinion polls?
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Antifar 2 hours ago#42
0TiamaT0 posted...
@Doom_Art

So is murder.

Even murderers are protected by things like the Constitution and Canada's charter here.
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Doom_Art 2 hours ago#43
0TiamaT0 posted...
@Doom_Art

So is murder.

And?
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The Admiral 2 hours ago#45
Antifar posted...
The Admiral posted...
And even the vast majority of Canadian citizens are disgusted by this.

Do you think justice should be meted out via public opinion polls?


Never said that. His post was addressing Canadian sentiment.
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The Admiral posted...


And even the vast majority of Canadian citizens are disgusted by this.

Largely because they keep falling for the same clickbait you do.

But the sad part is you do it intentionally.

0TiamaT0 posted...
@Doom_Art

So is murder.

Which for the record we are still not certain he even commited.

And if he did was under 18 when he did it.
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The Admiral 2 hours ago#47
UnfairRepresent posted...
Largely because they keep falling for the same clickbait you do.

But the sad part is you do it intentionally.


Yes, "clickbait" to not want to see terrorists who murder U.S. soldiers get an apology and millions of dollars.

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IfGodCouldDie 2 hours ago#48
0TiamaT0 posted...
GOATTHlEF posted...
Funkydog posted...
Maybe America shouldn't torture people and this wouldn't have happened


Even if he was, he killed a US Soldier. He would have deserved any torture they gave him.

Actually, combat reports prior to his stay in Gitmo and American soliders that were there back up the fact that he wasn't even the one that threw the grenade. Also he only plead guilty because he was told that was the only way he would be transferred to Canada and receive a trial.
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Sir Will 2 hours ago#49
UnfairRepresent posted...
Largely because they keep falling for the same clickbait you do.

That certainly doesn't help. I think it was found that the more people knew of the situation the more they tended to sympathize.
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Antifar 2 hours ago#50
If they wanted to not pay a fine, all they had to do was follow the law.
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    hockeybub89 3 hours ago#51
    Antifar posted...
    If they wanted to not pay a fine, all they had to do was follow the law.

    No that doesn't apply here for some reason. Because feelings.
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    Sir Will 3 hours ago#53
    Current government is least responsible. The rights violations took place under Chretien's government. Martin didn't help anything. Harper actively worked against getting Khadr out of Gitmo.
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    Antifar 2 hours ago#54
    Sir Will posted...
    Current government is least responsible.

    It's a claim against the state and not the regime.
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    The Admiral posted...


    Yes, "clickbait" to not want to see terrorists who murder U.S. soldiers get an apology and millions of dollars.


    Yes that is clickbait for the reasons people have stated that you ignored.


    There's a lot of gray surrounding this case.

    The "murder" was alleged. They say he threw a grenade but couldn't prove it, sent him to Guantanamo Bay where he was "interrogated" allegedly tortured (He was under 18 at the time) and was told he would never be allowed to leave until he confessed.

    Then the second he got back to Canada he renouced the confession and kicked up a storm and has done for years.

    It's a big issue of rights violation.


    I still think there's an argument to be made about what he deserves, but people do themselves no favors when they say " terrorist who killed a U.S. solier gets given MILLIONS!"

    They're just as dumb and kool-aid drinking as the "Zimmerman was a cop who shot Trayvon Martin in the back of the head because he's so racist!" guys.

    Life isn't as simple a that, you're just looking for reasons to simplify things to justify being angry


    This is what I mean about it being sad that you do it intentionally. Those 71% of angry Canadians don't have people telling them the actual facts and ignore them. They just don;t hear the facts.

    "Terrorist soldier murderer given millions!"
    vs
    "Teen accused of murder illegally imprisoned for many years, tortured and eventually given compensation for severe rights violations."

    Are utterly different stories.

    And the saddest part is there is still enough gray to warrant being angry about the incident, but that's not enough you have to lie and ignore facts... It's frankly bizarre.
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    IfGodCouldDie posted...
    0TiamaT0 posted...
    GOATTHlEF posted...
    Funkydog posted...
    Maybe America shouldn't torture people and this wouldn't have happened


    Even if he was, he killed a US Soldier. He would have deserved any torture they gave him.

    Actually, combat reports prior to his stay in Gitmo and American soliders that were there back up the fact that he wasn't even the one that threw the grenade. Also he only plead guilty because he was told that was the only way he would be transferred to Canada and receive a trial.

    Indeed.

    The evidence that he was a murderer is sketchy at best. That's why they were "interrogating" him in GITMO for a confession in the first place. Starting when he was underage too.

    It's really f***ed up and people like TC should be ashamed that they are so cowardly in themselves that they purposely ignore it just to drum up outrage.
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    AdviceMan 2 hours ago#57
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    IfGodCouldDie 2 hours ago#58
    UnfairRepresent posted...
    IfGodCouldDie posted...
    0TiamaT0 posted...
    GOATTHlEF posted...
    Funkydog posted...
    Maybe America shouldn't torture people and this wouldn't have happened


    Even if he was, he killed a US Soldier. He would have deserved any torture they gave him.

    Actually, combat reports prior to his stay in Gitmo and American soliders that were there back up the fact that he wasn't even the one that threw the grenade. Also he only plead guilty because he was told that was the only way he would be transferred to Canada and receive a trial.

    Indeed.

    The evidence that he was a murderer is sketchy at best. That's why they were "interrogating" him in GITMO for a confession in the first place. Starting when he was underage too.

    It's really f***ed up and people like TC should be ashamed that they are so cowardly in themselves that they purposely ignore it just to drum up outrage.

    Like I mean if you have substainal evidence to get a guilty virdict there would be no reason to even send him there, plus I'm pretty sure rules of engagement would apply at that point in time as the US had declared war. So it would not have been an act of terrorism but an act of war. If they had hard evidence to prove he did what they said he should have been protected by laws that protect prisoners of war.
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    Sir Will 2 hours ago#59
    Antifar posted...
    Sir Will posted...
    Current government is least responsible.

    It's a claim against the state and not the regime.

    Well yeah obviously the current government has to address it, I was just saying that while they'll shoulder blame, it was previous governments that were responsible for or exacerbated the issue.

    UnfairRepresent posted...
    The evidence that he was a murderer is sketchy at best. That's why they were "interrogating" him in GITMO for a confession in a first place. Starting when he was underage too.

    Granted, regardless if he did that specific thing or not he was no saint. He did still work for and likely participated in terror related activities. Although if it was against military personnel, the country was being invaded.... Either way, not an excuse for what happened. And I'm honestly hoping he is sincere in what he says now about wanting to move on with his life and contribute and such.
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    So wait, this dude got 8 million dollars because he couldn't sleep. Holy s***.
    Doom_Art 2 hours ago#61
    gatorsPENSbucs posted...
    he couldn't sleep

    do you know sleep deprivation bro

    there's a reason it's used as a form of torture.
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    Sir Will posted...

    Granted, regardless if he did that specific thing or not he was no saint. He did still work for and likely participated in terror related activities.

    Absolutely agreed. Which also raised questions about the message sent by an official apology.

    Which is why I maintain that there is still so much gray in this case that it is reasonable to get outraged at reality.

    Which is why I don't get the desire to reject reality and lie/ignore facts to make reasons to get outraged. It's weird.

    It's like someone puts a dent in your car and you ignore it to scream at them for setting your mansion that doesn't exist on fire.... Just why?
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    Bio1590 2 hours ago#63
    We already had this topic and didn't need another one.

    But obligatory "lmfao Admiral"
    Funkydog  question him ALWAYS2 hours ago#64
    Sir Will posted...
    Granted, regardless if he did that specific thing or not he was no saint. He did still work for and likely participated in terror related activities. Although if it was against military personnel, the country was being invaded.... Either way, not an excuse for what happened. And I'm honestly hoping he is sincere in what he says now about wanting to move on with his life and contribute and such.

    Yeah, he is far from a saint but even if he didn't throw a grenade.. he was still a citizen of Canada and regardless still a person. Torture can't be condoned and if we start allowing governments to say human rights don't apply to certain people, we are just giving them control over who can be treated fairly to an extent that could be applied far worse in the future.

    I would think no one would be happy to allow any government the level of control as to say who qualifies as a person or not.
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    gatorsPENSbucs posted...
    So wait, this dude got 8 million dollars because he couldn't sleep. Holy s***.

    If you can form letters into words and words into sentences than you should be smarter than this.
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    Funkydog  question him ALWAYS2 hours ago#66
    Bio1590 posted...
    We already had this topic and didn't need another one.

    But obligatory "lmfao Admiral"

    It's admiral.

    I very much doubt he wants to actually debate the issue, he just wants to laugh and troll people.
    Clad 2 hours ago#67
    It's funny to see CE's leftists defend this, and then turn around and bash that cop that got $50,000 for being found innocent by a jury.
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    hockeybub89 2 hours ago#68
    Clad posted...
    It's funny to see CE's leftists defend this, and then turn around and bash that cop that got $50,000 for being found innocent by a jury.

    Is there a point in here somewhere?
    MrMallard 2 hours ago#69
    It can be spun as "Libcuck nation of p****** bends over to accommodate terrorist, like every european country ever", but the fact is that there was enough evidence to deem the guy's detainment unlawful, to the point that Canada spent like $120 million on legal fees to combat this guy's lawsuit and they still lost.

    Repeat: Canada spent $120 million to fight a lawsuit against a man who was illegally detained and tortured in Gitmo for a decade, and there was enough evidence against them that they lost. Trudeau didn't cut him a check, kiss his cheek and send him on his merry way - Khadr successfully sued Canada.
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    Lorenzo_2003 2 hours ago#70
    hockeybub89 posted...
    Clad posted...
    It's funny to see CE's leftists defend this, and then turn around and bash that cop that got $50,000 for being found innocent by a jury.

    Is there a point in here somewhere?


    Yeah, the point is you guys are full of s***.

    Of course, I'm not a mind reader, but I'm pretty sure that's what he's thinking.
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    Sir Will 2 hours ago#71
    Funkydog posted...
    Sir Will posted...
    Granted, regardless if he did that specific thing or not he was no saint. He did still work for and likely participated in terror related activities. Although if it was against military personnel, the country was being invaded.... Either way, not an excuse for what happened. And I'm honestly hoping he is sincere in what he says now about wanting to move on with his life and contribute and such.

    Yeah, he is far from a saint but even if he didn't throw a grenade.. he was still a citizen of Canada and regardless still a person. Torture can't be condoned and if we start allowing governments to say human rights don't apply to certain people, we are just giving them control over who can be treated fairly to an extent that could be applied far worse in the future.

    I would think no one would be happy to allow any government the level of control as to say who qualifies as a person or not.

    Oh absolutely.

    Funkydog posted...
    I very much doubt he wants to actually debate the issue, he just wants to laugh and troll people.

    Basically. He hasn't argued much, mostly just push back against a few people who call out his bs.
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    hockeybub89 2 hours ago#72
    Lorenzo_2003 posted...
    hockeybub89 posted...
    Clad posted...
    It's funny to see CE's leftists defend this, and then turn around and bash that cop that got $50,000 for being found innocent by a jury.

    Is there a point in here somewhere?


    Yeah, the point is you guys are full of s***.

    Of course, I'm not a mind reader, but I'm pretty sure that's what he's thinking.

    Why can't two things be bad? You can hate torture AND juries getting a verdict wrong. The brain has that capacity.
    ColdOne666 2 hours ago#73
    So he murders someone and as a reward gets 10 million dollars. Lol Canada is such a garbage tier country.
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    ColdOne666 posted...
    So he murders someone


    Allegedly

    and as a reward gets 10 million dollars. Lol Canada is such a garbage tier country.


    After being arrested (under 18 at the time) taken to Gitmo and tortured. With a complete violation of rights.

    And he was never seen again.
    ^ Hey now that's completely unfair.
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    Lorenzo_2003 2 hours ago#75
    hockeybub89 posted...

    Why can't two things be bad? You can hate torture AND juries getting a verdict wrong. The brain has that capacity.


    Is it the wrong verdict, or is it wrong when you don't like the outcome and the right one when you do?
    ...
    Clad 2 hours ago#76
    I wonder what kind of fascist looney you have to be in order to literally demand that verdict you wanted rather than the verdict that was rendered based on the evidence that was presented.

    Like, what the flying f***? The man was found innocent by a jury that included black people, and yet you still make up some bulls*** about how he's guilty? That's some insane f***ing mob mentality. You're not the Batman, you don't just get to administer vigilante justice or vigilante verdicts just because the law didn't uphold your narrative about the police.

    And seriously, the only reason the left supports what Canada did is because "oh f***, Canada made a decision and Canada is left as f*** the way I am, therefore Canada is right." If there was ANY consistency to be found, you'd expect the people that side with Canada to also side with the cop that got the payout after being found innocent, especially given that the f***ing terrorist is known to be guilty yet still got a payout.
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    Lorenzo_2003 posted...
    hockeybub89 posted...

    Why can't two things be bad? You can hate torture AND juries getting a verdict wrong. The brain has that capacity.


    Is it the wrong verdict, or is it wrong when you don't like the outcome and the right one when you do?

    Wrong verdict.
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    Clad 2 hours ago#78
    UnfairRepresent posted...
    Allegedly


    Oh my bad, thought it was known. Wasn't he known to be a terrorist abroad?
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    The Admiral 2 hours ago#79
    UnfairRepresent posted...
    Allegedly


    Ignoring his confession, the evidence, being in combat with other terrorists, and his story changing once a Canadian trial lawyer told him he could make millions.

    UnfairRepresent posted...
    After being arrested (under 18 at the time) taken to Gitmo and tortured.


    He was taken to Gitmo because he was a terrorist. He was "tortured" (i.e. kept up without sleep for a while) during his interrogations to see if he has additional intel on other terrorist plots.

    This poor terrorist and his rights.
    - The Admiral
    (edited 2 hours ago)reportquote
    Clad posted...
    I wonder what kind of fascist looney you have to be in order to literally demand that verdict you wanted rather than the verdict that was rendered based on the evidence that was presented.

    Like, what the flying f***? The man was found innocent by a jury that included black people, and yet you still make up some bulls*** about how he's guilty? That's some insane f***ing mob mentality. You're not the Batman, you don't just get to administer vigilante justice or vigilante verdicts just because the law didn't uphold your narrative about the police.

    And seriously, the only reason the left supports what Canada did is because "oh f***, Canada made a decision and Canada is left as f*** the way I am, therefore Canada is right." If there was ANY consistency to be found, you'd expect the people that side with Canada to also side with the cop that got the payout after being found innocent, especially given that the f***ing terrorist is known to be guilty yet still got a payout.

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    TheVipaGTS 2 hours ago#81
    hockeybub89 posted...
    Clad posted...
    It's funny to see CE's leftists defend this, and then turn around and bash that cop that got $50,000 for being found innocent by a jury.

    Is there a point in here somewhere?

    He is comparing being fired for incompetence to what happened here. I don't even have a strong opinion either way on this topic but i know comparing to that cop case is a terrible comparison. That said it is Proudclad so...
    Clad 2 hours ago#82
    shockthemonkey posted...
    Lorenzo_2003 posted...
    hockeybub89 posted...

    Why can't two things be bad? You can hate torture AND juries getting a verdict wrong. The brain has that capacity.


    Is it the wrong verdict, or is it wrong when you don't like the outcome and the right one when you do?

    Wrong verdict.


    The jury that saw the best evidence possible disagreed with you.
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    Bio1590 2 hours ago#83
    The Admiral posted...
    UnfairRepresent posted...
    Allegedly


    Ignoring his confession, the evidence, being in combat with other terrorists, and his story changing once a Canadian trial lawyer told him he could make millions.

    UnfairRepresent posted...
    After being arrested (under 18 at the time) taken to Gitmo and tortured.


    He was taken to Gitmo because he was a terrorist. He was "tortured" (i.e. kept up without sleep for a while) during his interrogations to see if he has additional intel on other terrorist plots.

    This poor terrorist and his rights.

    The US Government and Military changed its story like 9 times lmfao.
    Clad posted...
    shockthemonkey posted...
    Lorenzo_2003 posted...
    hockeybub89 posted...

    Why can't two things be bad? You can hate torture AND juries getting a verdict wrong. The brain has that capacity.


    Is it the wrong verdict, or is it wrong when you don't like the outcome and the right one when you do?

    Wrong verdict.


    The jury that saw the best evidence possible disagreed with you.

    That's fine. But people were upset because they disagreed with the verdict. Being disingenuous about it is stupid.
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    Antifar 2 hours ago#85
    I think it's bad when the state oversteps its bounds to the detriment of a citizen and isn't punished for it. So I'm glad Canada was held accountable in this case, and wish the police officer had been held accountable in that one.
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    AdviceMan 2 hours ago#86
    If you're happy with one verdict you have to be happy with all of them!
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    Clad 2 hours ago#87
    shockthemonkey posted...
    Clad posted...
    shockthemonkey posted...
    Lorenzo_2003 posted...
    hockeybub89 posted...

    Why can't two things be bad? You can hate torture AND juries getting a verdict wrong. The brain has that capacity.


    Is it the wrong verdict, or is it wrong when you don't like the outcome and the right one when you do?

    Wrong verdict.


    The jury that saw the best evidence possible disagreed with you.

    That's fine. But people were upset because they disagreed with the verdict. Being disingenuous about it is stupid.


    People don't get to have any sway on the verdict the jury rendered. Claiming that the verdict is wrong is factually incorrect and stupid.
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    ColdOne666 2 hours ago#88
    He wasn't tortured, load of rubbish.
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    Clad posted...
    shockthemonkey posted...
    Clad posted...
    shockthemonkey posted...
    Lorenzo_2003 posted...
    hockeybub89 posted...

    Why can't two things be bad? You can hate torture AND juries getting a verdict wrong. The brain has that capacity.


    Is it the wrong verdict, or is it wrong when you don't like the outcome and the right one when you do?

    Wrong verdict.


    The jury that saw the best evidence possible disagreed with you.

    That's fine. But people were upset because they disagreed with the verdict. Being disingenuous about it is stupid.


    People don't get to have any sway on the verdict the jury rendered. Claiming that the verdict is wrong is factually incorrect and stupid.

    No one swayed the verdict by posting about it on GameFAQs.

    But you agree with the verdict in the case this topic is about, right?
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    jborgan 2 hours ago#90
    I can't believe some people think sleep deprivation isn't a form of torture. Amazing.
    jborgan posted...
    I can't believe some people think sleep deprivation isn't a form of torture. Amazing.

    No one actually thinks that. They're just trolling for attention.
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    Solar_Crimson 2 hours ago#92
    GOATTHlEF posted...
    He was sent to the states to be tortured. Knowingly. That's not okay.
    The Admiral posted...


    Ignoring his confession, t

    Made under duress that he recanted.

    The Admiral posted...


    He was taken to Gitmo because he was a terrorist. He was "tortured" (i.e. kept up without sleep for a while) during his interrogations to see if he has additional intel on other terrorist plots.


    I don't think you understand what sleep deprevation is. It's literally torture, they didn't just play Justin Bieber songs one night when he was trying to sleep.

    This poor terrorist and his rights.


    Rights are for everyone, that's the point of rights. You don't get to go "This is a bad person, therefore he has no rights and it's okay to torture him" especially when it's someone who wasn't even an adult.

    Clad posted...
    UnfairRepresent posted...
    Allegedly


    Oh my bad, thought it was known. Wasn't he known to be a terrorist abroad?

    His dad was a known terrorist. He was an underage suspected terrorist.

    He was accused of murder but there wasn't any real conclusive evidence for it and the little evidence they had implied he didn't throw the grenade.

    He "confessed" to the murder but only after a stay in Gitmo where among other things he was deprived sleep and told he would never be allowed to leave unless he confessed.

    Second he got back to Canada he recanted the confession and sued. Canadian courts have tried for years to argue that he was a murderer and its okay to torture him and have utterly failed to substantiate either claim.

    It's not as black and white as people like TC wish it to be

    I'm skeptical of any argument that begins with "Well it's okay to torture kids"
    ^ Hey now that's completely unfair.
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    IfGodCouldDie 2 hours ago#94
    The Admiral posted...
    Ignoring his confession, the evidence, being in combat with other terrorists,

    IfGodCouldDie posted...
    Actually, combat reports prior to his stay in Gitmo and American soliders that were there back up the fact that he wasn't even the one that threw the grenade. Also he only plead guilty because he was told that was the only way he would be transferred to Canada and receive a trial.
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    Sir Will 2 hours ago#95
    The Admiral posted...
    Ignoring his confession

    Which we should since it was only given to get out of Gitmo.

    The Admiral posted...
    the evidence

    What evidence? The US never took him to court properly.

    The Admiral posted...
    He was "tortured"

    No, he was tortured.

    The Admiral posted...
    This poor terrorist and his rights.

    Yes, we have rights in Canada.
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    MrMallard 2 hours ago#96
    jborgan posted...
    I can't believe some people think sleep deprivation isn't a form of torture. Amazing.

    "Oh, he was just inconvenienced for a while before an interrogation! Nothing too bad - after all, he's a terrorist! They could have done a lot worse, and honestly he should be thankful that they didn't - see? He doesn't deserve to win a lawsuit! Even if he was detained illegally for a decade, they didn't even treat him that badly!"

    Just the regular clods on CE talking out of their asses, as usual.
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    Antifar 2 hours ago#97
    It comes down to this: should human rights laws apply to everyone, or should exceptions be made for people we find particularly heinous?
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    Funkydog  question him ALWAYS2 hours ago#99
    The Admiral posted...
    He was taken to Gitmo because he was a terrorist. He was "tortured" (i.e. kept up without sleep for a while) during his interrogations to see if he has additional intel on other terrorist plots.

    This poor terrorist and his rights.

    Sleep deprivation is considered torture. Lack of sleep is incredibly dangerous and the level at which is employed in these manners is enough to be clearly called that.

    Just because you think staying up late or missing a sleeps night is "lol" doesnt mean it compares at all to being forced to stay up for near 200 hours - a point to which you start to experience episodes of hallucinations and can lead to death if prolonged.
    hahahaha wow

    "Sleep deprivation? That's just when they make him stay up late, right? no biggie"

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      Gave him 10 mil for him to bring back to his terrorist family. Smart.

      Shoulda offered him a home and free education in Canada instead of a lump sum of tax payers money.
      Antifar 1 hour ago#102
      Also, I'm not sure why we're having this argument about sleep deprivation like that's the only think Khadr was put through
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Omar_Khadr
      Ahmed later recalled that while after some interrogations Khadr returned to his cell smiling and discussing what movies he had been shown, other times he returned crying and would huddle in the corner with his blanket over his head.[23] In the early spring of 2003, Khadr was told "Your life is in my hands" by a military interrogator, who spat on him, tore out some of his hair and threatened to send him to a country that would torture him more thoroughly, making specific reference to an Egyptian Askri raqm tisa ("Soldier Number Nine") who enjoyed raping prisoners. The interrogation ended with Khadr being told he would spend the rest of his life in Guantanamo.[24] A few weeks later, an interrogator giving his name as Izmarai spoke to Khadr in Pashto, threatening to send him to a "new prison" at Bagram Airbase where "they like small boys".

      In all, Khadr has been reported to have been kept in solitary confinement for long periods of time; to have been denied adequate medical treatment; to have been subjected to short shackling, and left bound, in uncomfortable stress positions until he soiled himself.[67][83][84] Khadr's lawyers allege that his interrogators "dragged [him] back and forth in a mixture of his urine and pine oil" and did not provide a change of clothes for two days in March 2003.[85] At the end of March 2003, Omar was upgraded to "Level Four" security, and transferred to solitary confinement in a windowless and empty cell for the month of April.


      At the time of all this, Khadr was 16.
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      Sir Will 1 hour ago#103
      >:O
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      PBusted 1 hour ago#104
      Broseph_Stalin posted...
      The Admiral posted...
      And even the vast majority of Canadian citizens are disgusted by this.


      Our governments were founded on liberal reason, not conservative emotion. What people feel is irrelevant.


      Canadian government has some of the harshest obscenity laws in the world which is completely conservative emotion.
      ColdOne666 1 hour ago#105
      Antifar posted...
      Also, I'm not sure why we're having this argument about sleep deprivation like that's the only think Khadr was put through
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Omar_Khadr
      Ahmed later recalled that while after some interrogations Khadr returned to his cell smiling and discussing what movies he had been shown, other times he returned crying and would huddle in the corner with his blanket over his head.[23] In the early spring of 2003, Khadr was told "Your life is in my hands" by a military interrogator, who spat on him, tore out some of his hair and threatened to send him to a country that would torture him more thoroughly, making specific reference to an Egyptian Askri raqm tisa ("Soldier Number Nine") who enjoyed raping prisoners. The interrogation ended with Khadr being told he would spend the rest of his life in Guantanamo.[24] A few weeks later, an interrogator giving his name as Izmarai spoke to Khadr in Pashto, threatening to send him to a "new prison" at Bagram Airbase where "they like small boys".

      In all, Khadr has been reported to have been kept in solitary confinement for long periods of time; to have been denied adequate medical treatment; to have been subjected to short shackling, and left bound, in uncomfortable stress positions until he soiled himself.[67][83][84] Khadr's lawyers allege that his interrogators "dragged [him] back and forth in a mixture of his urine and pine oil" and did not provide a change of clothes for two days in March 2003.[85] At the end of March 2003, Omar was upgraded to "Level Four" security, and transferred to solitary confinement in a windowless and empty cell for the month of April.


      Terrorist fair next.
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      Antifar posted...
      Also, I'm not sure why we're having this argument about sleep deprivation like that's the only think Khadr was put through
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Omar_Khadr
      Ahmed later recalled that while after some interrogations Khadr returned to his cell smiling and discussing what movies he had been shown, other times he returned crying and would huddle in the corner with his blanket over his head.[23] In the early spring of 2003, Khadr was told "Your life is in my hands" by a military interrogator, who spat on him, tore out some of his hair and threatened to send him to a country that would torture him more thoroughly, making specific reference to an Egyptian Askri raqm tisa ("Soldier Number Nine") who enjoyed raping prisoners. The interrogation ended with Khadr being told he would spend the rest of his life in Guantanamo.[24] A few weeks later, an interrogator giving his name as Izmarai spoke to Khadr in Pashto, threatening to send him to a "new prison" at Bagram Airbase where "they like small boys".

      In all, Khadr has been reported to have been kept in solitary confinement for long periods of time; to have been denied adequate medical treatment; to have been subjected to short shackling, and left bound, in uncomfortable stress positions until he soiled himself.[67][83][84] Khadr's lawyers allege that his interrogators "dragged [him] back and forth in a mixture of his urine and pine oil" and did not provide a change of clothes for two days in March 2003.[85] At the end of March 2003, Omar was upgraded to "Level Four" security, and transferred to solitary confinement in a windowless and empty cell for the month of April.

      It makes me sad that people pretend confessions that come from this aren't worthless.

      Not just talking about this kid either, I mean in general.

      If someone did this to Admiral he'd be confessing to masterminding 9/11 and the Cuban Missile Crisis by the end of a month, let alone years. It's so stupid.
      ^ Hey now that's completely unfair.
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      Sir Will 1 hour ago#107
      ColdOne666 posted...
      Terrorist fair next.

      No.
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      UnfairRepresent posted...

      It makes me sad that people pretend confessions that come from this aren't worthless.

      Not just talking about this kid either, I mean in general.


      Technically, we don't really know how useful, or not, was the information they extracted. The article mentioned that the Canadians shared it with the US. That could mean anything, as far we know.
      ...
      Funkydog  question him ALWAYS1 hour ago#109
      @ColdOne666 posted...
      Terrorist fair next.


      So you are okay with the government denying rights to anyone it deems a terrorist, however it decides to determine that?
      Funkydog  question him ALWAYS1 hour ago#110
      UnfairRepresent posted...
      It makes me sad that people pretend confessions that come from this aren't worthless.

      I mean, people go insane without sleep. Any confession can't actually be useful surely, it would be riddled with nothing useful or ramblings.
      Delirious_Beard  attack on sight1 hour ago#111
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      Lorenzo_2003 posted...
      UnfairRepresent posted...

      It makes me sad that people pretend confessions that come from this aren't worthless.

      Not just talking about this kid either, I mean in general.


      Technically, we don't really know how useful, or not, was the information they extracted. The article mentioned that the Canadians shared it with the US. That could mean anything, as far we know.

      He was a 16 year old kid.

      Unless we suspected he was planning a major attack that was about to go down any information brought under torture is going to be suspect.

      And they were pushing him for confession of a murder.

      If they got anything valuable or he was a part of anything, it would have been used in the court case to justify torturing him. It never happened.

      His violation of rights is pretty indisputable. I think the desire to defend the torture and defend doing it to others is crazy.

      Tell me with a straight face that if you experienced the same you wouldn't say/confess to whatever you thought they wanted to hear? Tell me what would you do/feel if it was your 16 year old daughter
      ^ Hey now that's completely unfair.
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      The Admiral 1 hour ago#114
      UnfairRepresent posted...
      He was a 16 year old kid.


      If you're old enough to deliberately throw a grenade and kill a U.S. soldier, you're not a "kid." Stop treating an admitted terrorist murderer like he is one.
      - The Admiral
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      gamer167 1 hour ago#115
      The Admiral posted...
      UnfairRepresent posted...
      He was a 16 year old kid.


      If you're old enough to deliberately throw a grenade and kill a U.S. soldier, you're not a "kid." Stop treating an admitted terrorist murderer like he is one.

      lmao ignore everything just to s***post
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      Sir Will 1 hour ago#117
      The Admiral posted...
      UnfairRepresent posted...
      He was a 16 year old kid.


      If you're old enough to deliberately throw a grenade and kill a U.S. soldier, you're not a "kid." Stop treating an admitted terrorist murderer like he is one.

      Still ignoring the counter arguments I see. You lose.
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      The Admiral 1 hour ago#118
      Sir Will posted...
      The Admiral posted...
      UnfairRepresent posted...
      He was a 16 year old kid.


      If you're old enough to deliberately throw a grenade and kill a U.S. soldier, you're not a "kid." Stop treating an admitted terrorist murderer like he is one.

      Still ignoring the counter arguments I see. You lose.


      Yes, the "counter arguments" put out by his lawyer who was eying 40% of a $120 million lawsuit. Legit.
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      shockthemonkey posted...
      The Admiral posted...
      UnfairRepresent posted...
      He was a 16 year old kid.


      If you're old enough to deliberately throw a grenade and kill a U.S. soldier, you're not a "kid." Stop treating an admitted terrorist murderer like he is one.

      lmao ignore everything just to s***post

      It's the Admirial. What were you expecting?


      He's only been doing it for like 8 years straight. Strangely not the first time about defending abusing under 18s.
      ^ Hey now that's completely unfair.
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      shockthemonkey posted...
      The Admiral posted...
      UnfairRepresent posted...
      He was a 16 year old kid.


      If you're old enough to deliberately throw a grenade and kill a U.S. soldier, you're not a "kid." Stop treating an admitted terrorist murderer like he is one.

      lmao ignore everything just to s***post

      It's what people do when they know that they're not intelligent enough to actually debate

      Poor guy is just lashing out
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      Nightmaker 1 hour ago#121
      The issue with Omar is that it isn't even clear if he's guilty. Seriously Admiral did you do any research?

      He was a kid who was accused of throwing the grenade that killed Spears but the only thing linking that is OC-1's testimony which changed. He said he saw Omar with a grenade, then didn't know if it was Omar, and then couldn't tell if it was Omar with a grenade or a pistol(a pistol making it impossible for him to be the one to throw the grenade that killed Spears). Omar pleaded guilty to it, but he stated that they were going to torture him if he tried to fight the case in 2010. He was tortured in Guantanamo anyway.

      The biggest issue with Omar is that he didn't get a fair trial. He wasn't treated as a juvenile but immediately as a war criminal and Guantanamo military commission was extremely biased against him from the get go. Fred Borch, a top military officer resigned for criticisms in the commission:
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fred_Borch


      Pretty much the tribunals were heavily favored for Omar losing. Omar accepted the guilty verdict believing he would be heavily tortured if he didn't. He was tortured anyway on a crime he may not have committed.
      FrisbeeDude  attack always1 hour ago#122
      shockthemonkey posted...
      The Admiral posted...
      UnfairRepresent posted...
      He was a 16 year old kid.


      If you're old enough to deliberately throw a grenade and kill a U.S. soldier, you're not a "kid." Stop treating an admitted terrorist murderer like he is one.

      lmao ignore everything just to s***post


      He's gone super Saiyan with the tier of s***posting he's doing in this topic.

      Multiple people have shown evidence as to how his questionable his confession was and the torture he endured, but he just keeps screaming "murderer terrorist gets paid!"

      It's Mai level s***posting
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      Clad posted...
      I wonder what kind of fascist looney you have to be in order to literally demand that verdict you wanted rather than the verdict that was rendered based on the evidence that was presented.

      Like, what the flying f***? The man was found innocent by a jury that included black people, and yet you still make up some bulls*** about how he's guilty? That's some insane f***ing mob mentality. You're not the Batman, you don't just get to administer vigilante justice or vigilante verdicts just because the law didn't uphold your narrative about the police.

      And seriously, the only reason the left supports what Canada did is because "oh f***, Canada made a decision and Canada is left as f*** the way I am, therefore Canada is right." If there was ANY consistency to be found, you'd expect the people that side with Canada to also side with the cop that got the payout after being found innocent, especially given that the f***ing terrorist is known to be guilty yet still got a payout.


      Proudclad supportive of the OJ and Casey Anthony verdicts confirmed. I didn't say I was going to go kill the goddamn cop. And what is your implication in mentioning the races of the jurors? I just think the ruling betrays the evidence. I understand it is what it is. I just hope what it is in society changes one day. Also, you claim to be too smart to think juries rule people innocent.

      I also think it is f***ing pathetic that you are turning torture into a partisan issue.
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      marc55 1 hour ago#124
      Antifar posted...
      Also, I'm not sure why we're having this argument about sleep deprivation like that's the only think Khadr was put through
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Omar_Khadr
      Ahmed later recalled that while after some interrogations Khadr returned to his cell smiling and discussing what movies he had been shown, other times he returned crying and would huddle in the corner with his blanket over his head.[23] In the early spring of 2003, Khadr was told "Your life is in my hands" by a military interrogator, who spat on him, tore out some of his hair and threatened to send him to a country that would torture him more thoroughly, making specific reference to an Egyptian Askri raqm tisa ("Soldier Number Nine") who enjoyed raping prisoners. The interrogation ended with Khadr being told he would spend the rest of his life in Guantanamo.[24] A few weeks later, an interrogator giving his name as Izmarai spoke to Khadr in Pashto, threatening to send him to a "new prison" at Bagram Airbase where "they like small boys".

      In all, Khadr has been reported to have been kept in solitary confinement for long periods of time; to have been denied adequate medical treatment; to have been subjected to short shackling, and left bound, in uncomfortable stress positions until he soiled himself.[67][83][84] Khadr's lawyers allege that his interrogators "dragged [him] back and forth in a mixture of his urine and pine oil" and did not provide a change of clothes for two days in March 2003.[85] At the end of March 2003, Omar was upgraded to "Level Four" security, and transferred to solitary confinement in a windowless and empty cell for the month of April.


      At the time of all this, Khadr was 16.


      what ?
      it feels like they didnt have any evidence so they tortured him until he said he did it to make them stop
      thats looks like what it happened during witch hunts
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      MrMallard 1 hour ago#125
      I have never been happier that Admiral is not a mod any more.

      The thought of this clod having any position of power over anyone is laughable.
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      Nightmaker 1 hour ago#126
      Something that's also extremely important to note is the ones who criticized Borch and the officers that took over the GMC were military Jags themselves. They were all O-3 and above and deemed that the GMC didn't offer a fair trial and were designed to be the guise of a trial when in reality they just wanted to lock people up without any due process. That's a big reason why this settlement is being paid because OC-1's testimony changed and we don't really know if Omar threw the grenade and the Tribunals were heavily favored against Omar.
      marc55 posted...


      what ?
      it feels like they didnt have any evidence so they tortured him until he said he did it to make them stop
      thats looks like what it happened during witch hunts


      That's pretty much what this was. That's why he won his lawsuit.
      ^ Hey now that's completely unfair.
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      Sir Will 1 hour ago#128
      marc55 posted...
      it feels like they didnt have any evidence so they tortured him until he said he did it to make them stop

      Bingo.
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      Nightmaker 1 hour ago#129
      UnfairRepresent posted...
      marc55 posted...


      what ?
      it feels like they didnt have any evidence so they tortured him until he said he did it to make them stop
      thats looks like what it happened during witch hunts


      That's pretty much what this was. That's why he won his lawsuit.


      Yeah exactly. You had OC-1's testimony that changed and you also have JAG's criticizing Fred Borsch and the GMC. This is all documented and easy to find which is so why infuriating when Admiral posts s*** like this. This wasn't a fair trial by any means and servicemen in the military pushed for resignations of commanding officers for the GMC
      Nightmaker posted...
      UnfairRepresent posted...
      marc55 posted...


      what ?
      it feels like they didnt have any evidence so they tortured him until he said he did it to make them stop
      thats looks like what it happened during witch hunts


      That's pretty much what this was. That's why he won his lawsuit.


      Yeah exactly. You had OC-1's testimony that changed and you also have JAG's criticizing Fred Borsch and the GMC. This is all documented and easy to find which is so why infuriating when Admiral posts s*** like this. This wasn't a fair trial by any means and servicemen in the military pushed for resignations of commanding officers for the GMC

      But they were just trying to get him to admit to being a terrorist. What's a few human rights abuses when the truth is at stake?

      /sarcasm
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      Lorenzo_2003 28 minutes ago#131
      UnfairRepresent posted...

      If they got anything valuable or he was a part of anything, it would have been used in the court case to justify torturing him. It never happened.

      His violation of rights is pretty indisputable. I think the desire to defend the torture and defend doing it to others is crazy.

      Tell me with a straight face that if you experienced the same you wouldn't say/confess to whatever you thought they wanted to hear? Tell me what would you do/feel if it was your 16 year old daughter


      I'm not so sure about that. If we're going to consider it possible that the military fabricated details of the situation to ensure his captivity, then I don't think it's a stretch that they would keep whatever info they did find. Regardless, they wouldn't necessarily reveal info that could be damaging to other operations, for example. We know they wouldn't because it took Wikileaks and the NSA scandal to uncover questionable aspects of their national security program. But, hey, this is all speculation, right?

      Btw, I do not support torture, which I mentioned earlier. I wouldn't want it done to my "16 year old daughter," to answer your specific question. I hope I don't raise a terrorist, though. Since you asked that question, let me ask you a similar one. What do you think Al-Qaeda would do to your son or daughter, if they got ahold of them? Pay them millions of dollars and say they were sorry for violating them? Lol.
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      Sir Will 19 minutes ago#132
      Lorenzo_2003 posted...
      What do you think Al-Qaeda would do to your son or daughter, if they got ahold of them?

      Irrelevant.
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      hockeybub89 17 minutes ago#133
      Lorenzo_2003 posted...
      What do you think Al-Qaeda would do to your son or daughter, if they got ahold of them? Pay them millions of dollars and say they were sorry for violating them? Lol.

      Probably decapitate them. Is that the standard that America should be held to? Bad, but not as bad as terrorists?

      "Torture with impunity. Not like you're going to execute them on television."
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      UnfairRepresent 15 minutes ago#134
      Lorenzo_2003 posted...

      I'm not so sure about that. If we're going to consider it possible that the military fabricated details of the situation to ensure his captivity, then I don't think it's a stretch that they would keep whatever info they did find.

      All these years later there is no reason to assume that they would need to keep the fact they found "useful intel" a secret. Considering it would be moot information now

      Putting that aside they wouldn't even have to state what it was in the first place.

      That's one of the few parts of this case that isn't gray. Canadian courts had years to justify his torture and inprisonment and couldn't do it.


      Lorenzo_2003 posted...

      Btw, I do not support torture, which I mentioned earlier. I wouldn't want it done to my "16 year old daughter," to answer your specific question. I hope I don't raise a terrorist, though. Since you asked that question, let me ask you a similar one. What do you think Al-Qaeda would do to your son or daughter, if they got ahold of them? Pay them millions of dollars and say they were sorry for violating them? Lol.

      No but I don't think America or Canada should be comparable with Al-Qaeda and torture 16 year olds with utter violation of rights.

      I think it's sad that you do.
      ^ Hey now that's completely unfair.
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      Antifar 9 minutes ago#135
      Lorenzo_2003 posted...
      Btw, I do not support torture, which I mentioned earlier. I wouldn't want it done to my "16 year old daughter," to answer your specific question. I hope I don't raise a terrorist, though. Since you asked that question, let me ask you a similar one. What do you think Al-Qaeda would do to your son or daughter, if they got ahold of them? Pay them millions of dollars and say they were sorry for violating them? Lol.

      I don't think we should make "better than Al-Qaeda" our goal as a society. Have some standards for your country.
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