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August 9, 2017

So North Korea calling trumps bluff. Say they are going to attack Guam.


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  • Milo_Yiannopous 18 hours ago#1
    For those that don't know Guam has an important us mitary base. 

    What is trump going to do? f*** all that's what.
    Nikra 17 hours ago#2
    1 Nuke at Guam: 10 Nukes at North Korea. US calls NK's bluff
    solosnake 17 hours ago#3
    Trump will launch a pre-emptive strike on N Korea right before the grand jury tries to indict him
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    CountessRolab 17 hours ago#4
    solosnake posted...
    Trump will launch a pre-emptive strike on N Korea right before the grand jury tries to indict him


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    UnfairRepresent 17 hours ago#5
    If NK attacks Guam or SK that will be the end of NK

    Surely they know that?
    ^ Hey now that's completely unfair.
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    Milo_Yiannopous 17 hours ago#6
    UnfairRepresent posted...
    If NK attacks Guam or SK that will be the end of NK

    Surely they know that?


    Yes. They won't do it. They are just calling trumps bluff. Like a little kid who always has to have the last word. Trump won't do s***.
    Lorenzo_2003 17 hours ago#7
    Why would Trump do anything? Kim Jong Un has not done anything besides make threats. 

    It would be unwise for him (Kim) to attack. US patrols that region with fast attack subs that have cruise missiles that can level cities. Anyway, South Korea and Guam rely on a missile defense system called THAAD to shoot down enemy ballistic missiles. (I don't think most people are aware of THAAD, but guaranteed Kim is.)
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    Lvaneede 17 hours ago#8
    NK wont do anything because they know USA can and will destroy them. We just have to put up with NK.
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    Nikra 17 hours ago#9
    China will pay the price for helping North Korea with their Atomic bomb program. If they ever launch a nuke against another country.
    Milo_Yiannopous 13 hours ago#10
    Lorenzo_2003 posted...
    Why would Trump do anything? Kim Jong Un has not done anything besides make threats. 

    It would be unwise for him (Kim) to attack. US patrols that region with fast attack subs that have cruise missiles that can level cities. Anyway, South Korea and Guam rely on a missile defense system called THAAD to shoot down enemy ballistic missiles. (I don't think most people are aware of THAAD, but guaranteed Kim is.)


    I know about THAAD. I thought it was pretty hit and miss in terms of how effective it is.
    Colorahdo 13 hours ago#11
    An important military base? How about the fact that Guamanians are American citizens and Guam is part of America?
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    Doom_Art 13 hours ago#12
    solosnake posted...
    Trump will launch a pre-emptive strike on N Korea right before the grand jury tries to indict him

    Don't know why he thinks that will change anything.
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    Milo_Yiannopous posted...
    Lorenzo_2003 posted...
    Why would Trump do anything? Kim Jong Un has not done anything besides make threats. 

    It would be unwise for him (Kim) to attack. US patrols that region with fast attack subs that have cruise missiles that can level cities. Anyway, South Korea and Guam rely on a missile defense system called THAAD to shoot down enemy ballistic missiles. (I don't think most people are aware of THAAD, but guaranteed Kim is.)


    I know about THAAD. I thought it was pretty hit and miss in terms of how effective it is.


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    Caution999 13 hours ago#14
    They haven't called his bluff until they actually launch a nuke, genius boy.

    They don't have the balls to do that - as they know it will mean the end of their lives.
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    Funkydog 13 hours ago#15
    Only idiots actually expect Trump to rage at yet another impotent NK threat. If they actually do something, you can then judge Trump on his reaction. But it is good he isn't throwing a tantrum and waging war over NK's hundredth threat today.
    Coffeebeanz 13 hours ago#16
    If NK actually attacked the US they'd be glassed back to the stone age
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    twitterfriends 13 hours ago#17
    I feel bad for the people of Guam, they are innocent and now they live in fear because of Trump.
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    Xelltrix 12 hours ago#19
    Well, Korea is just going to keep calling us out because we keep not doing anything when they do something. Pretty sure there was a point where we said they needed stop their nuclear program or we'd go in and NK basically "lol, you thot" and built their missiles anyway and we did exactly nothing about it. 


    So why not keep threatening us?
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    Sativa_Rose 12 hours ago#20
    We need to just send someone in to double tap Kimmy with a silenced weapon
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    Coffeebeanz 12 hours ago#21
    Sativa_Rose posted...
    We need to just send someone in to double tap Kimmy with a silenced weapon


    And then teabag him
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    SK8T3R215 12 hours ago#22
    Xelltrix posted...
    Well, Korea is just going to keep calling us out because we keep not doing anything when they do something.


    Um the US and the UN have both put sanctions on North Korean companies and Chinese companies who trade with North Korea over the last few months. 

    Unless you want the US to launch an unprovoked attack on NK which would lead Seoul being leveled and China having to deal with the humanitarian fallout of NK citizens fleeing across the border.
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    Darkman124 12 hours ago#23
    Lorenzo_2003 posted...
    Why would Trump do anything? Kim Jong Un has not done anything besides make threats. 

    It would be unwise for him (Kim) to attack. US patrols that region with fast attack subs that have cruise missiles that can level cities. Anyway, South Korea and Guam rely on a missile defense system called THAAD to shoot down enemy ballistic missiles. (I don't think most people are aware of THAAD, but guaranteed Kim is.)


    THAAD is not realistically capable of shooting down IRBMs which is what would be required to reach guam, let alone the supposed ICBMs that NK has been testing

    Milo_Yiannopous posted...


    I know about THAAD. I thought it was pretty hit and miss in terms of how effective it is.


    it has a reliable track record against short and medium range missiles and their associated terminal velocities. its issue is that its capacity to intercept IRBMs is not good and its capacity to intercept ICBMs is not at all.

    terminal intercept is incredibly difficult.
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    Xelltrix 12 hours ago#24
    SK8T3R215 posted...
    Xelltrix posted...
    Well, Korea is just going to keep calling us out because we keep not doing anything when they do something.


    Um the US and the UN have both put sanctions on North Korean companies and Chinese companies who trade with North Korea over the last few months. 

    Unless you want the US to launch an unprovoked attack on NK which would lead Seoul being leveled and China having to deal with the humanitarian fallout of NK citizens fleeing across the border.


    We said a Nuclear Program was unacceptable in NK. They kept going and made it anyway, so yeah, I think we should have done more. Like going in and stopping it entirely when it was clear they weren't stopping. Now they already have it. They're almost certainly not dumb enough to actually use them, but they have them.
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    Darkman124 12 hours ago#25
    Xelltrix posted...
    Like going in and stopping it entirely


    how would you suggest that be done
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    Xelltrix 12 hours ago#26
    Darkman124 posted...


    how would you suggest that be done


    It's obviously too late now since they already have it. But, obviously, by going in there. How else would you go in, lol? We clearly don't have a problem sending in drones or attacking other areas with citizens, so a country with a nuclear program in the works sounds like a hell of a lot better target than other targets we've been going after. All this basically did is make another Bay of Pigs showing off how the US is willing to be pushed around since we'll keep saying "Don't do this" and they'll keep doing it anyway and we'll just say "Okay, don't do this" and then they'll do that as well.
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    Darkman124 12 hours ago#27
    Xelltrix posted...


    It's obviously too late now since they already have it. But, obviously, by going in there. How else would you go in, lol? We clearly don't have a problem sending in drones or attacking other areas with citizens, so a country with a nuclear program in the works sounds like a hell of a lot better target than other targets we've been going after. All this basically did is make another Bay of Pigs showing off how the US is willing to be pushed around since we'll keep saying "Don't do this" and they'll keep doing it anyway and we'll just say "Okay, don't do this" and then they'll do that as well.


    are you aware of the location of Seoul and the range of existing north korean artillery pieces on their side of the DMZ along the 38th parallel

    are you aware of what would happen to Seoul if we 'went in' a decade ago
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    SK8T3R215 12 hours ago#28
    So you want Trump to find a time machine to tell Obama to attack NK?
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    Darkman124 12 hours ago#29
    SK8T3R215 posted...
    So you want Trump to find a time machine to tell Obama to attack NK?


    your post does not address any content of the preceding post, which clearly notes that a decade ago it was already far too late (in truth, it was pretty much always too late)

    be less obvious
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    Xelltrix 12 hours ago#30
    Darkman124 posted...

    are you aware of the location of Seoul and the range of existing north korean artillery pieces on their side of the DMZ along the 38th parallel

    are you aware of what would happen to Seoul if we 'went in' a decade ago


    Yes, and I'm standing by my statement. We can't draw a line in the sand about their nuclear program and then not actually act as we say we would. It encourages them to continue ignoring our demands. Sure, we could just choose never to attack because they're always threatening an ally, but you know what that means? They'll always be able to hold that over your head as they keep amassing strength until we're forced to attack and they attack Seoul anyway.
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    Touch 12 hours ago#31
    Caution999 posted...
    twitterfriends posted...
    I feel bad for the people of Guam, they are innocent and now they live in fear because of Trump.



    Or its because of Kim Jong Un.

    But lets blame everything on Trump. f***ing christ - get out of the country if you can't even support your own country over a potential war.

    Leave.

    You're as good as a terrorist.

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    Darkman124 12 hours ago#32
    Xelltrix posted...
    Yes, and I'm standing by my statement. We can't draw a line in the sand about their nuclear program and then not actually act as we say we would. It encourages them to continue ignoring our demands. Sure, we could just choose never to attack because they're always threatening an ally, but you know what that means? They'll always be able to hold that over your head as they keep amassing strength until we're forced to attack and they attack Seoul anyway.


    you do realize there are other options right?

    trump admin actually had a really great policy wrt NK up until yesterday. we cut off their coal trade with china

    the problem has always been that china propped them up. it is now too politically expensive for china to keep doing so. they are withdrawing financial support and that may well lead to the regime dissolving from the inside
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    Xelltrix 12 hours ago#33
    Darkman124 posted...
    you do realize there are other options right?

    trump admin actually had a really great policy wrt NK up until yesterday. we cut off their coal trade with china

    the problem has always been that china propped them up. it is now too politically expensive for china to keep doing so. they are withdrawing financial support and that may well lead to the regime dissolving from the inside


    We have to use these other options now because we're basically stuck hoping the sanctions are enough to get them to dismantle their nuclear arms now that they actually have them. We're left hoping that their leader isn't as insane as ours and that they won't just throw a tantrum and attack SK or some other nation when they're at their most desperate. Withholding resources doesn't always just result in them surrendering to demands. In fact, it doesn't result in that a lot of the time. But, again, that's our best course of action now as it's too late to go about it any other way.
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    Darkman124 12 hours ago#34
    Xelltrix posted...


    We have to use these other options now because we're basically stuck hoping the sanctions are enough to get them to dismantle their nuclear arms now that they actually have them. We're left hoping that their leader isn't as insane as ours and that they won't just throw a tantrum and attack SK or some other nation when they're at their most desperate. Withholding resources doesn't always just result in them surrendering to demands. In fact, it doesn't result in that a lot of the time. But, again, that's our best course of action now as it's too late to go about it any other way.


    the only realistic alternative solution would've been for the population of SK to pick up their s*** and move seoul to jeju over the past 30 years.
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    DevsBro 12 hours ago#35
    I would not be the tiniest bit surprised if there were actual anti-missile lasers in orbit right now.

    Actually, I would be surprised if there weren't.
    Darkman124 12 hours ago#36
    DevsBro posted...
    I would not be the tiniest bit surprised if there were actual anti-missile lasers in orbit right now.

    Actually, I would be surprised if there weren't.


    space-based anti-missile technologies are extremely inefficient, aside from GPS satellites used to provide uplink to interceptors
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    OmegaPillow 12 hours ago#37
    Whoever defends north Korea can leave the United States and go live there
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    scar the 1 12 hours ago#38
    Can't they just put a drone in the trajectory so the missile collides
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    Darkman124 12 hours ago#39
    scar the 1 posted...
    Can't they just put a drone in the trajectory so the missile collides


    that is a lot harder than you might think 

    you need sufficient momentum to actually destroy the threat

    but what you're describing is the core philosophy of hit to kill interceptors
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    SK8T3R215 12 hours ago#40
    Darkman124 posted...
    SK8T3R215 posted...
    So you want Trump to find a time machine to tell Obama to attack NK?


    your post does not address any content of the preceding post, which clearly notes that a decade ago it was already far too late (in truth, it was pretty much always too late)

    be less obvious


    Um I was responding to Xelltrix unless you think I read your post and typed a message in 12 seconds on mobile.
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    Darkman124 12 hours ago#41
    SK8T3R215 posted...

    Um I was responding to Xelltrix unless you think I read your post and typed a message in 12 seconds on mobile.


    sorry, if you were responding to xelltrix my post was needlessly hostile.
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    Webmaster4531 12 hours ago#42
    OmegaPillow posted...
    Whoever defends north Korea can leave the United States and go live there

    What a s*** post.
    Ad Hominem.
    scar the 1 12 hours ago#43
    Darkman124 posted...
    scar the 1 posted...
    Can't they just put a drone in the trajectory so the missile collides


    that is a lot harder than you might think 

    you need sufficient momentum to actually destroy the threat

    but what you're describing is the core philosophy of hit to kill interceptors

    What are the challenges? Accurately determining the trajectory to get a proper collision, getting enough mass up there, etc?
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    SK8T3R215 12 hours ago#44
    Darkman124 posted...
    SK8T3R215 posted...

    Um I was responding to Xelltrix unless you think I read your post and typed a message in 12 seconds on mobile.


    sorry, if you were responding to xelltrix my post was needlessly hostile.


    I'll say.
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    HBOSS 12 hours ago#45
    There any news of countries stepping in?

    Though so.

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    these are reasons we are where we are today. Its a cumulative result of delay and fear of escalation. The resentment grew into anger and North Korea couldn't finish its civil war. They blame America. It wouldnt surprise me if they or even many of us dont know why we all went to war. TIME was supposed to soothe the animosity but we let it fester like a plague of hatred. It grew for generations and decades. Now that hatred has become a tool in the world. People suffer from the hell about to be unleashed from the decades of political, social, and geographical unrest in the region. When we act in fear, people will be angry. When we get people angry, people learn to hate. When we all hate each other, people suffer.
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    SK8T3R215 12 hours ago#46
    scar the 1 posted...
    Darkman124 posted...
    scar the 1 posted...
    Can't they just put a drone in the trajectory so the missile collides


    that is a lot harder than you might think 

    you need sufficient momentum to actually destroy the threat

    but what you're describing is the core philosophy of hit to kill interceptors

    What are the challenges? Accurately determining the trajectory to get a proper collision, getting enough mass up there, etc?


    Well the fact they can launch missles from various locations is one.
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    Darkman124 12 hours ago#47
    scar the 1 posted...

    What are the challenges? Accurately determining the trajectory to get a proper collision, getting enough mass up there, etc?


    to destroy the warhead you must transfer a sufficient quantity of momentum to it at an accuracy of a few meters

    while the warhead (in the interceptor reference frame) is moving towards you at hypersonic velocities and also undergoing a variety of defensive maneuvers

    you have to maintain tracking of your own position, tracking of the threat's position, and rapid-response to any changes in its trajectory, of which there are many

    the mobile re-entry vehicle that carries a nuclear warhead has boosters of its own. it's not a dead object that flies like a lump of coal.

    it also has defensive tools (some natural, some designed) that interfere with the interceptor's capacity to track it.
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    OmegaPillow 12 hours ago#48
    Webmaster4531 posted...
    OmegaPillow posted...
    Whoever defends north Korea can leave the United States and go live there

    What a s*** post.

    What a s*** poster
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    scar the 1 12 hours ago#49
    Oh right, all the tracking issues of course. I have those as well while doing precise orbit determinations. What kind of defensive maneuvers can they do at that velocity? It feels like even the tiniest change in trajectory would jeopardize accurate hitting of the target no?
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    Webmaster4531 11 hours ago#50
    OmegaPillow posted...
    Webmaster4531 posted...
    OmegaPillow posted...
    Whoever defends north Korea can leave the United States and go live there

    What a s*** post.

    What a s*** poster

    Now you got to explain why you posted something so stupid.
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      OmegaPillow 11 hours ago#51
      Webmaster4531 posted...
      OmegaPillow posted...
      Webmaster4531 posted...
      OmegaPillow posted...
      Whoever defends north Korea can leave the United States and go live there

      What a s*** post.

      What a s*** poster

      Now you got to explain why you posted something so stupid.

      Explain yourself , do you support NK?
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      Darkman124 11 hours ago#52
      [redacted]
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      scar the 1 11 hours ago#53
      Alright alright top secret stuff huh?
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      HBOSS 11 hours ago#54
      Sound the alarm!
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      Xelltrix 11 hours ago#56
      SK8T3R215 posted...
      So you want Trump to find a time machine to tell Obama to attack NK?


      Just realized I missed this post. Obviously I'm not advocatig that, I'm talking about what should have been done in the past and why NK keeps threatening us since we don't really do what we say we will. Just like Trump's idiotic Fire & Fury comment about THREATS when we know damn well they're going to keep threatening us. That's just asking for them to deliver another one. 

      Anyway, we obviosuly can't really do much more than keep up sanctions at this point as now we're already past the point where the casuality numbers could have been lower, I'm mainly just talking in frustration over how we just sat and let this happen with appeasement and hesitation when history shows that never works. Fear of attacking out of casualities when you know it's inevitable and the body count is only going to increase with years is foolish. 

      The US clearly had no qualms with attacking other countries with less of a threat towards us and less means of achieving their goals yet they hemmed and hawed here.
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      Webmaster4531 11 hours ago#57
      OmegaPillow posted...
      Webmaster4531 posted...
      OmegaPillow posted...
      Webmaster4531 posted...
      OmegaPillow posted...
      Whoever defends north Korea can leave the United States and go live there

      What a s*** post.

      What a s*** poster

      Now you got to explain why you posted something so stupid.

      Explain yourself , do you support NK?

      No, I don't support a dictatorship. Now what the hell is wrong with you?
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      Bio1590 11 hours ago#58
      Caution999 posted...
      twitterfriends posted...
      I feel bad for the people of Guam, they are innocent and now they live in fear because of Trump.



      Or its because of Kim Jong Un.

      But lets blame everything on Trump. f***ing christ - get out of the country if you can't even support your own country over a potential war.

      Leave.

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      Lorenzo_2003 11 hours ago#59
      Darkman124 posted...

      THAAD is not realistically capable of shooting down IRBMs which is what would be required to reach guam, let alone the supposed ICBMs that NK has been testing

      it has a reliable track record against short and medium range missiles and their associated terminal velocities. its issue is that its capacity to intercept IRBMs is not good and its capacity to intercept ICBMs is not at all.

      terminal intercept is incredibly difficult.


      I'd be very interested to read the source on that. The Army claims THAAD can reliably intercept IRBM-range attacks (North Korea is around 2,100 mi away) and they've been testing it since the battery was deployed to Guam in 2013. Its purpose is to provide a deterrent specifically against NK, so it seems odd that it would not be able to do that. To be fair, this is operating on the assumption that the Army's success rate is an honest appraisal.

      Here is at least one article on the matter:
      http://www.businessinsider.com/permanent-thaad-battery-guam-2016-8
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      k darkfire 11 hours ago#60
      I always wanted to visit the United States of North Korea.
      Darkman124 10 hours ago#61
      Lorenzo_2003 posted...
      I'd be very interested to read the source on that.


      there are no sources i can give you that are unclassified but i can explain the physics to you if you are willing to trust that this is really what i do for a living

      technically a terminal-range interceptor can attempt to intercept any range missile since it does hit-to-kill on reentry and the only limiting factor is sensor capabilities and maneuverability of the interceptor in a high-drag environment.

      the actual range of the interceptor is 200km since it does its intercept during terminal phase (re-entry, when the threat is moving at many times the speed of sound)

      the reason it is classified as an interceptor of srbms, mrbms and irbms but not ICBMs is that it can't reliably track and intercept an ICBM at its re-entry speed

      so the distance of NK to guam is irrelevant in this case and the speed of the threat is what matters

      if you compare the test data on the THAAD that has been made publicly available, you get a good idea of the terminal speeds at which it can reliably track and intercept

      generally speaking, terminal intercept has highest success rates against the shortest-ranged threats because they have slower terminal velocity. so THAAD necessarily is worst at IRBMs. 

      the NK "ICBM" definitely exceeds those speeds. I tend not to believe their bulls*** and think it's more of an IRBM+, given the nature of its staging and propellant. either way, its terminal velocity is well outside of what THAAD can hit

      and yes, THAAD as deployed was meant to deter NK missile efforts since the bulk of what we had seen in their development cycles were SRBMs and MRBMs. IRBM intercept is much more likely to be done at apogee-phase (midcourse) by an SM-3 Block IIA from a nearby destroyer in the sea of japan once it's deployed, with THAAD acting as a last line of defense rather than a primary.

      right now the only ICBM interceptor we have is GMD. everyone loves to s*** on it but i bet it could handle something as poorly designed as the NK missile.
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      Samurontai 10 hours ago#62
      HBOSS posted...
      There any news of countries stepping in?

      Though so.

      Why?
      Cause good men failed to act in a time of crisis. 

      Inaction in foreign policy for decades
      Diplomatic embargoes
      Economic instability
      Uncertainty

      these are reasons we are where we are today. Its a cumulative result of delay and fear of escalation. The resentment grew into anger and North Korea couldn't finish its civil war. They blame America. It wouldnt surprise me if they or even many of us dont know why we all went to war. TIME was supposed to soothe the animosity but we let it fester like a plague of hatred. It grew for generations and decades. Now that hatred has become a tool in the world. People suffer from the hell about to be unleashed from the decades of political, social, and geographical unrest in the region. When we act in fear, people will be angry. When we get people angry, people learn to hate. When we all hate each other, people suffer.


      I mean, you're wrong but alright 

      http://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-threatens-fire-and-fury-justin-trudeau-quietly-sends-envoy-north-648430
      Lorenzo_2003 10 hours ago#63
      Darkman124 posted...

      there are no sources i can give you that are unclassified but i can explain the physics to you if you are willing to trust that this is really what i do for a living


      Thanks very much for responding. I'm going to spend some time digesting this and do more research on the matter. I did consider that you might know "things" that have not been fairly represented in the news. Speaking of which, if THAAD is unreliable in an NK strike scenario, that would definitely be newsworthy. Thanks again.
      ...
      Darkman124 10 hours ago#64
      Lorenzo_2003 posted...
      Speaking of which, if THAAD is unreliable in an NK strike scenario, that would definitely be newsworthy. Thanks again.


      again, i have to emphasize: THAAD is reliable for defending SK in most NK strike scenarios

      it has a ~200km range so any attack on SK by a realistic threat (SRBM, MRBM) could be mitigated at the terminal range

      but its interception limitation factor is threat speed. it's no more able to stop an ICBM launched from 200km away than one launched from 15000km away.

      it can certainly try, and maybe would get lucky and succeed. that would probably not grant it a pedigree though.
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      Dustin1280 10 hours ago#65
      @Darkman124, I got to ask...

      You are a poster that sticks out to me more then almost all the posters on CE. I generally find all your posts very interesting and loving seeing your input on things.

      But why oh why do you like and come to CE regularly?
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      Darkman124 10 hours ago#66
      Dustin1280 posted...

      But why oh why do you like and come to CE regularly?


      i run optimizations and need something to do while 99% of my computer's resources are tied up
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      Dustin1280 10 hours ago#67
      Makes sense, CE is definitely a good time killer.

      So what are you thoughts on the NK situation? You think they are actually dumb enough to make a move? OR do you suspect our leader is just going to go back on forth with NK seeing who can out-threaten each other?
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      thronedfire2 9 hours ago#68
      I'm not sure why people are just saying NK called Trump's bluff. They're making empty threats too
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      Chronofan8 9 hours ago#69
      thronedfire2 posted...
      I'm not sure why people are just saying NK called Trump's bluff. They're making empty threats too


      he said that the trigger for 'fire fury and frankly' was NK making threats. they are making threats. the bluff is called if he does not make with the fire fury and frankly.
      Kaname_Madoka 4 hours ago#70
      Milo_Yiannopous posted...
      For those that don't know Guam has an important us mitary base. 

      What is trump going to do? f*** all that's what.

      guam is literally part of ameirca
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      Darkman124 3 hours ago#71
      Dustin1280 posted...
      So what are you thoughts on the NK situation? You think they are actually dumb enough to make a move? OR do you suspect our leader is just going to go back on forth with NK seeing who can out-threaten each other?


      i apologize for not responding sooner--didnt see this question

      i do not think there will be war. i think that NK's long term plan is to get our leadership to act poorly such that our long-term strategic alliances with japan and south korea are undermined

      But I doubt it will work. His foreign policy advisers are actually pretty smart on this subject; the arrangement we made to have China embargo NK coal was a very wise move.

      It's one of the few places Trump has been successful. It's also one of the few places where the goals of the left and right are aligned.
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      thronedfire2 2 hours ago#72
      Chronofan8 posted...
      thronedfire2 posted...
      I'm not sure why people are just saying NK called Trump's bluff. They're making empty threats too


      he said that the trigger for 'fire fury and frankly' was NK making threats. they are making threats. the bluff is called if he does not make with the fire fury and frankly.


      yeah, but they're both just gonna keep bulls***ting each other and nothing will happen. NK isn't dumb enough to actually attack us because they know we'd have no choice but to retliate, we won't put the citizens of Japan and SK ahead of our own security
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      Milo_Yiannopous 2 hours ago#73
      thronedfire2 posted...
      we won't put the citizens of Japan and SK ahead of our own security


      I don't believe that for one minute.
      thronedfire2 2 hours ago#74
      There would be riots if we didn't retaliate. Look what happened after 9/11
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      Milo_Yiannopous 2 hours ago#75
      L0Z 1 hour ago#76
      theyd probably land a nuke in the ocean. I don't think nk has worked out precision yet and guam is a tiny island
      1. Boards
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      3. So North Korea calling trumps bluff. Say they are going to attack Guam.

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