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August 7, 2017

White Privilege is a Myth, no matter what you believe

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kislev 5 hours ago#1
Railing against ‘white men’ and their cushy existences has become the stock-in-trade of many feminists.

Yet towards the end of 2015 it was revealed that there’s a social group in Britain more derided and less successful than pretty much every other social group. Guess who? Yep, young white men. Especially young working-class white men. A large sector of the group that the new identity-politics mob loves to ridicule for sailing through life unmolested and unchallenged is actually having a rough time.

Consider this: 18-year-old women are 35 percent more likely to attend university than 18-year-old men; and where 37 percent of black school-leavers go to university, only 28 percent of white school-leavers do. These stats were unveiled by UCAS in December, leading its chief executive to wonder if it isn’t time to initiate ‘outreach’ projects designed to get more white blokes into college.
We need a new Final Fantasy Tactics
ClayGuida 5 hours ago#2
Lol, entitled privileged white guy attempting to bitch and moan about being called a entitled privileged white guy 

Your life must be good if this is what you have to deal with
lolAmerica
kislev 5 hours ago#3
ClayGuida posted...
Lol, entitled privileged white guy attempting to bitch and moan about being called a entitled privileged white guy 

Your life must be good if this is what you have to deal with


Why do you hate White men so much?
We need a new Final Fantasy Tactics
andel 5 hours ago#4
there is a line between acknowledging privilege (which exists but is largely economic) and railing against white people. this is why people that focus on identity politics aren't really liberals, economic issues are the cause of a much bigger gap in privilege than race and it isn't even close
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ClayGuida posted...
Lol, entitled privileged white guy attempting to bitch and moan about being called a entitled privileged white guy 

Your life must be good if this is what you have to deal with


Hey, you are just being mean now.


I am not White, but can you atleast admit that White girls are attractive?


Here is a chance for you to make someone happier, not sad.
Endgame 5 hours ago#6
White straight male here.

I've never been discriminated against for being a white male in America.

.....But the prosecution complex I see from my fellow white male makes ME feeling discriminatory towards them.

When it finally does come to pass, you'll have no one else to blame but yourselves for annoying everyone else with your imaginary problems, turning them into reality.
I may not agree with what you have to say, but I will fight to the death for my right to fight you to the death. -Stephen Colbert
Endgame posted...
White straight male here.

I've never been discriminated against for being a white male in America.

.....But the prosecution complex I see from my fellow white male makes ME feeling discriminatory towards them.

When it finally does come to pass, you'll have no one else to blame but yourselves for annoying everyone else with your imaginary problems, turning them into reality.


@Endgame Are you aware that this topic was made specifically because Clay keeps making those, "you privileged white folks" posts?


I am not White by the way
kislev 5 hours ago#8
Endgame posted...
White straight male here.

I've never been discriminated against for being a white male in America.

.....But the prosecution complex I see from my fellow white male makes ME feeling discriminatory towards them.

When it finally does come to pass, you'll have no one else to blame but yourselves for annoying everyone else with your imaginary problems, turning them into reality.


So you are just going to ignore all the problems white Eastern European men face?
We need a new Final Fantasy Tactics
young_flip 5 hours ago#9
Endgame posted...
But the prosecution complex I see from my fellow white male makes ME feeling discriminatory towards them.

the anxiety white nationalists feel everyday they see a brown/black person on TV has somehow become more mainstream.
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kislev posted...
ClayGuida posted...
Lol, entitled privileged white guy attempting to bitch and moan about being called a entitled privileged white guy 

Your life must be good if this is what you have to deal with


Why do you hate White men so much?


Because he's a fucking racist and should honestly be marked as such.
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Welcommatt 5 hours ago#11
White man here, two years out of college with a stem degree and a good job. 

Affirmative action literally never affected me or any of my peers negatively; I think anybody who complains about it probably just can't succeed on their own merit.
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PunkRockGiik 5 hours ago#12
andel posted...
there is a line between acknowledging privilege (which exists but is largely economic) and railing against white people. this is why people that focus on identity politics aren't really liberals, economic issues are the cause of a much bigger gap in privilege than race and it isn't even close

I agree that it's economic, but not that you can separate the two. Do you acknowledge that white people, due to their race, have accumulated much more generational wealth than black people?
Mirage13 5 hours ago#13
Ironically, women have it so damn easy in life compared to men. Society is quick to help a woman in distress. If you are an adult male, well society pretty much tells you to go fuck yourself and leaves you to your own devices and abilities; whatever they are.

We should replace "white male privilege" with "female privilege" in our industrialized culture.
Drunken_Idiot 5 hours ago#14
ClayGuida posted...
Lol, entitled privileged white guy attempting to bitch and moan about being called a entitled privileged white guy 

Your life must be good if this is what you have to deal with

So you're racist?
Mirage13 posted...
Ironically, women have it so damn easy in life compared to men. Society is quick to help a woman in distress. If you are an adult male, well society pretty much tells you to go fuck yourself and leaves you to your own devices and abilities; whatever they are.

We should replace "white male privilege" with "female privilege" in our industrialized culture.


Feminists would call you sexist. And modt guys just apologize after offending a feminist.
PunkRockGiik 5 hours ago#16
Mirage13 posted...
Ironically, women have it so damn easy in life compared to men. Society is quick to help a woman in distress. If you are an adult male, well society pretty much tells you to go fuck yourself and leaves you to your own devices and abilities; whatever they are.

We should replace "white male privilege" with "female privilege" in our industrialized culture.

I disagree that women have it easier, but you're right that patriarchy hurts men too.
Ivashanko 4 hours ago#17
So you are just going to ignore all the problems white Eastern European men face?


Honestly, in much of the world Eastern Europeans aren't treated as white and aren't considered as being white. Ive known some Americans who strongly, almost intolerantly believe that America's culture of race is the only possible one, and I've seen them really hurt people who they considered to be white when those people weren't seen as being white in the places they lived.
PunkRockGiik posted...
Mirage13 posted...
Ironically, women have it so damn easy in life compared to men. Society is quick to help a woman in distress. If you are an adult male, well society pretty much tells you to go fuck yourself and leaves you to your own devices and abilities; whatever they are.

We should replace "white male privilege" with "female privilege" in our industrialized culture.

I disagree that women have it easier, but you're right that patriarchy hurts men too.


Then debate that. I believe American females have it easier. @PunkRockGiik

Less likely to be homeless, killed, and the US Bureau of Justice indicates that males prefer to destroy each other over females.


Actually, I probably shouldn't debate this, as this kind of argument will end up offending someone. But, the word, Patriachy was used. I am in

How exactly do women have it much harder OVERALL?
Mirage13 4 hours ago#19
PunkRockGiik posted...
Mirage13 posted...
Ironically, women have it so damn easy in life compared to men. Society is quick to help a woman in distress. If you are an adult male, well society pretty much tells you to go fuck yourself and leaves you to your own devices and abilities; whatever they are.

We should replace "white male privilege" with "female privilege" in our industrialized culture.

I disagree that women have it easier, but you're right that patriarchy hurts men too.


So you disagree that most court child custody cases are won by the mother, punishments of women committing the same crime as men are less severe, the existence of women shelters are an actual thing, most widely diseases known between the sexes are concentrated on women with events put on to help treat it, the existence of female events with men being banned from attending, when a woman is standing at the side of the road in distress people (usually men) are going to stop to help her whereas a man has to figure the problem out himself, women tend to get hired for jobs more often than men despite having the same qualities? Hell, look at social media like Facebook or Twitter. Who gets more social interaction between sexes: men or women? Here is a hint, it's not men.

I could go on and on how easier women have it in our society than men.
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sedatedlife 4 hours ago#20
ClayGuida posted...
Lol, entitled privileged white guy attempting to bitch and moan about being called a entitled privileged white guy 

Your life must be good if this is what you have to deal with

....
The worker of the world has nothing to lose, but their chains, workers of the world unite.
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PunkRockGiik 4 hours ago#21
Bthetruehedgehog posted...
PunkRockGiik posted...
Mirage13 posted...
Ironically, women have it so damn easy in life compared to men. Society is quick to help a woman in distress. If you are an adult male, well society pretty much tells you to go fuck yourself and leaves you to your own devices and abilities; whatever they are.

We should replace "white male privilege" with "female privilege" in our industrialized culture.

I disagree that women have it easier, but you're right that patriarchy hurts men too.


Then debate that. I believe American females have it easier. @PunkRockGiik

Less likely to be homeless, killed, and the US Bureau of Justice indicates that males prefer to destroy each other over females.


Actually, I probably shouldn't debate this, as this kind of argument will end up offending someone. But, the word, Patriachy was used. I am in

How exactly do women have it much harder OVERALL?

Because the things you're describing, while more likely to happen to men, still aren't very likely to happen at all. In contrast, women justifiably fear rape, sexual abuse and/or domestic assault specifically because of how often it happens.
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PunkRockGiik posted...
Bthetruehedgehog posted...
PunkRockGiik posted...
Mirage13 posted...
Ironically, women have it so damn easy in life compared to men. Society is quick to help a woman in distress. If you are an adult male, well society pretty much tells you to go fuck yourself and leaves you to your own devices and abilities; whatever they are.

We should replace "white male privilege" with "female privilege" in our industrialized culture.

I disagree that women have it easier, but you're right that patriarchy hurts men too.


Then debate that. I believe American females have it easier. @PunkRockGiik

Less likely to be homeless, killed, and the US Bureau of Justice indicates that males prefer to destroy each other over females.


Actually, I probably shouldn't debate this, as this kind of argument will end up offending someone. But, the word, Patriachy was used. I am in

How exactly do women have it much harder OVERALL?

Because the things you're describing, while more likely to happen to men, still aren't very likely to happen at all. In contrast, women justifiably fear rape, sexual abuse and/or domestic assault because of how common it is.


@PunkRockGiik

Women are more likely to get sexual abuse, BUT LESS LIKELY TO BE KILLED, MURDERED, BRUTALIZED.


See the United States Burea of Justice for details. If you are a woman, you have a higher chance of surviving... PERIOD.
And how do these men fare job wise? If they don't need to go to college to achieve economic success, they'd be less likely to attend.
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Calintares 4 hours ago#24
Let's do a thought experiment.

Imagine you submitted two identical job application where the only difference was that one had a typical "white" name and the other had a typical "nonwhite" name.

which do you think has the better chance of being invited to an interview?

Actually, you don't have to do the thought experiment, this experiment has been performed multiple times and it consistently show that all else being equal, the "white" person is more likely to get better treatment.

that right there is privilege.
ours is not to reason why, ours is but to do and die.
AmonAmarth 4 hours ago#25
must resist posting the truth.
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Domestic assault from a Male Perspective? There is no way in hell I would report that. Having it known that I was abused by a woman..


In college, the female students explained, "no grown ass man will sit through an abusive relationship." Us guys are less likely to even get PITY.


And in many cases, you will almost always have a guy willing to save you. Fight for you. Us guys don't get that privilege.
Stuflames 4 hours ago#27
Endgame posted...
White straight male here.

I've never been discriminated against for being a white male in America.

.....But the prosecution complex I see from my fellow white male makes ME feeling discriminatory towards them.

When it finally does come to pass, you'll have no one else to blame but yourselves for annoying everyone else with your imaginary problems, turning them into reality.
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Mirage13 4 hours ago#28
Charismic Zach Gowen posted...
And how do these men fare job wise? If they don't need to go to college to achieve economic success, they'd be less likely to attend.


Yep. Men don't often have the luxury of going to post-secondary school like women are. Hence, why women outnumber men in college attendance. Men are expected to go out and make money to support a family, if they want one. Whereas women have the luxury to attend school without the negative stigma of being taken care of or living at home while they are in school, if they choose too.

On a side note: don't even get me started on how women want to be equal to men in all walks of life except when it comes to romance. Women still expect the tradition of the man pursuing her, courting her and maintain the relationship since she won't do it. Otherwise, women will just ignore men. What happened to women being equal to men, huh?
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kislev 4 hours ago#29
Calintares posted...
Let's do a thought experiment.

Imagine you submitted two identical job application where the only difference was that one had a typical "white" name and the other had a typical "nonwhite" name.

which do you think has the better chance of being invited to an interview?

Actually, you don't have to do the thought experiment, this experiment has been performed multiple times and it consistently show that all else being equal, the "white" person is more likely to get better treatment.

that right there is privilege.


When you say "white" name do you mean Anglo-Saxon? Becuase im oretty sure Sergei,Vitaly,Eau,jaromr,Ruslan and Stanislaus would still be rejected despite being "white" names
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Calintares 4 hours ago#30
kislev posted...
Calintares posted...
Let's do a thought experiment.

Imagine you submitted two identical job application where the only difference was that one had a typical "white" name and the other had a typical "nonwhite" name.

which do you think has the better chance of being invited to an interview?

Actually, you don't have to do the thought experiment, this experiment has been performed multiple times and it consistently show that all else being equal, the "white" person is more likely to get better treatment.

that right there is privilege.


When you say "white" name do you mean Anglo-Saxon? Becuase im oretty sure Sergei,Vitaly,Eau,jaromr,Ruslan and Stanislaus would still be rejected despite being "white" names


sure, Anglo-Saxon is more precise.
ours is not to reason why, ours is but to do and die.
Welcommatt 4 hours ago#31
Calintares posted...
Let's do a thought experiment.

Imagine you submitted two identical job application where the only difference was that one had a typical "white" name and the other had a typical "nonwhite" name.

which do you think has the better chance of being invited to an interview?

Actually, you don't have to do the thought experiment, this experiment has been performed multiple times and it consistently show that all else being equal, the "white" person is more likely to get better treatment.

that right there is privilege.


Literally has been done multiple times. Does anybody want to defend this?
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InfiniteMick 4 hours ago#32
Endgame posted...
White straight male here.

I've never been discriminated against for being a white male in America.

.....But the prosecution complex I see from my fellow white male makes ME feeling discriminatory towards them.

When it finally does come to pass, you'll have no one else to blame but yourselves for annoying everyone else with your imaginary problems, turning them into reality.
I'll have sex with Capitalism as long as we're stranded together on a desert island, but after we're rescued I'm not giving him my number.
Crying about any kind of privilege is what has helped drive away rust belt voters away from Dems. I hope they keep it up. Maybe cry more about trans and islamophobia too. 

Unemployed steel and coal workers don't care about that shit.
MAGA.
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kislev 4 hours ago#34
Calintares posted...
kislev posted...
Calintares posted...
Let's do a thought experiment.

Imagine you submitted two identical job application where the only difference was that one had a typical "white" name and the other had a typical "nonwhite" name.

which do you think has the better chance of being invited to an interview?

Actually, you don't have to do the thought experiment, this experiment has been performed multiple times and it consistently show that all else being equal, the "white" person is more likely to get better treatment.

that right there is privilege.


When you say "white" name do you mean Anglo-Saxon? Becuase im oretty sure Sergei,Vitaly,Eau,jaromr,Ruslan and Stanislaus would still be rejected despite being "white" names


sure, Anglo-Saxon is more precise.


Glad you admit it, there is mkre to the White race then just Anglo-Saxons. White men from Eastern Europe face ALOT of discrimnation in Germany,France and England yet nobody pays attention to it. Men from East Europe are treated like thugs
We need a new Final Fantasy Tactics
Calintares posted...
Let's do a thought experiment.

Imagine you submitted two identical job application where the only difference was that one had a typical "white" name and the other had a typical "nonwhite" name.

which do you think has the better chance of being invited to an interview?

Actually, you don't have to do the thought experiment, this experiment has been performed multiple times and it consistently show that all else being equal, the "white" person is more likely to get better treatment.

that right there is privilege.


I live in New York. Have a job application where BLACKS are hiring. Do they hire "chinese, and whites" equally to how they would hire a fellow African American?


Whites aren't so privileged when they could get their race loudly discussed, even in schools, even if negatively. But it is justifiable because they are supposedly "privileged." Not just students... TEACHERS.


It isn't even treated as racism by the way, even though the reverse would. I am saying this as someone that isn't white.
@Mirage13 posted...
Yep. Men don't often have the luxury of going to post-secondary school like women are. Hence, why women outnumber men in college attendance. Men are expected to go out and make money to support a family, if they want one. Whereas women have the luxury to attend school without the negative stigma of being taken care of or living at home while they are in school, if they choose too.


I like how you're too fucking stupid to realize my point was that men are less likely to need to go to college because they can make a living without incurring the debt and lost eage time that college entails.

It really speaks to how seriously we should take your ilk.
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PunkRockGiik 4 hours ago#37
Mirage13 posted...
PunkRockGiik posted...
Mirage13 posted...
Ironically, women have it so damn easy in life compared to men. Society is quick to help a woman in distress. If you are an adult male, well society pretty much tells you to go fuck yourself and leaves you to your own devices and abilities; whatever they are.

We should replace "white male privilege" with "female privilege" in our industrialized culture.

I disagree that women have it easier, but you're right that patriarchy hurts men too.


So you disagree that most court child custody cases are won by the mother, punishments of women committing the same crime as men are less severe, the existence of women shelters are an actual thing, most widely diseases known between the sexes are concentrated on women with events put on to help treat it, the existence of female events with men being banned from attending, when a woman is standing at the side of the road in distress people (usually men) are going to stop to help her whereas a man has to figure the problem out himself, women tend to get hired for jobs more often than men despite having the same qualities? Hell, look at social media like Facebook or Twitter. Who gets more social interaction between sexes when things are not going good: men or women? Here is a hint, it's not men.

I could go on and on how easier women have it in our society than men.

1. In most cases, there is mutual agreement on child custody. In the rest, court cases are often won by the mother because the mother usually spends more time with the child and can make a more compelling case to get the child. (Thanks patriarchy) 
2. I don't dispute this one. But I think the problem is more nuanced than you're making it. This Institute says that most women in jail are single mothers; I could see that having an influence on jury sympathy. https://www.vera.org/publications/overlooked-women-and-jails-report
3. Male shelters would be a thing too if men's groups spent as much time starting them as they did complaining about women.
4. I don't see a problem with having a space specifically for women.
5. When a women is standing at the side of the road, she is also more likely to be abducted, murdered, and even held hostages in a box for 7 years. Yes, this actually happened:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kidnapping_of_Colleen_Stan . 
6. Men are doing overwhelmingly better economically than women. They are more likely to be given raises and promotions because they are seen as less likely to need to leave work for pregnancy or to raise children.
PunkRockGiik posted...
Bthetruehedgehog posted...
PunkRockGiik posted...
Mirage13 posted...
Ironically, women have it so damn easy in life compared to men. Society is quick to help a woman in distress. If you are an adult male, well society pretty much tells you to go fuck yourself and leaves you to your own devices and abilities; whatever they are.

We should replace "white male privilege" with "female privilege" in our industrialized culture.

I disagree that women have it easier, but you're right that patriarchy hurts men too.


Then debate that. I believe American females have it easier. @PunkRockGiik

Less likely to be homeless, killed, and the US Bureau of Justice indicates that males prefer to destroy each other over females.


Actually, I probably shouldn't debate this, as this kind of argument will end up offending someone. But, the word, Patriachy was used. I am in

How exactly do women have it much harder OVERALL?

Because the things you're describing, while more likely to happen to men, still aren't very likely to happen at all. In contrast, women justifiably fear rape, sexual abuse and/or domestic assault specifically because of how often it happens.


Men are actually far, far more likely to be in violent attacks than women, where we just flat out die. Yes, domestic voilence is bad, yes rape is bad (though a lot of cases of rape are date rape), but bad things happen to good people and are still more likely to happen to men.

Laws are already in place to prevent these things, what more can be done? Men are literally several hundred percent more likely to be assaulted than a women.

We go our entire lives being threatened of assault and we get in several assaults through out our life, nearly none of which are wanted.



Bit I digress, being physically threatened nearly 100% of the time with physical assault and actually having to defend and expecting to defend others is certainly worse than women who go nearly their entire lives without a single physical altercation and them being "assaulted" is some ass hole at a club slapping their ass.

A guy at a club gets assaulted, it's usually ACTUAL assault, as in he'll try to smash beer bottles over your head, seen dudes try to shank each other with broken beer bottles too... But yeah, ass slap is pretty bad too I guess. 

Overall, society has already put literally all the possible steps in place to prevent all of these things to the best of our ability, but some are impossible to eliminate while a lot of the economic double standards are pretty much preventable.
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Welcommatt 4 hours ago#39
PunkRockGiik posted...
Mirage13 posted...
PunkRockGiik posted...
Mirage13 posted...
Ironically, women have it so damn easy in life compared to men. Society is quick to help a woman in distress. If you are an adult male, well society pretty much tells you to go fuck yourself and leaves you to your own devices and abilities; whatever they are.

We should replace "white male privilege" with "female privilege" in our industrialized culture.

I disagree that women have it easier, but you're right that patriarchy hurts men too.


So you disagree that most court child custody cases are won by the mother, punishments of women committing the same crime as men are less severe, the existence of women shelters are an actual thing, most widely diseases known between the sexes are concentrated on women with events put on to help treat it, the existence of female events with men being banned from attending, when a woman is standing at the side of the road in distress people (usually men) are going to stop to help her whereas a man has to figure the problem out himself, women tend to get hired for jobs more often than men despite having the same qualities? Hell, look at social media like Facebook or Twitter. Who gets more social interaction between sexes when things are not going good: men or women? Here is a hint, it's not men.

I could go on and on how easier women have it in our society than men.

1. In most cases, there is mutual agreement on child custody. In the rest, court cases are often won by the mother because the mother usually spends more time with the child and can make a more compelling case to get the child. (Thanks patriarchy) 
2. I don't dispute this one. But I think the problem is more nuanced than you're making it. This Institute says that most women in jail are single mothers; I could see that having an influence on jury sympathy. https://www.vera.org/publications/overlooked-women-and-jails-report
3. Male shelters would be a thing too if men's groups spent as much time starting them as they did complaining about women.
4. I don't see a problem with having a space specifically for women.
5. When a women is standing at the side of the road, she is also more likely to be abducted, murdered, and even held hostages in a box for 7 years. Yes, this actually happened:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kidnapping_of_Colleen_Stan . 
6. Men are doing overwhelmingly better economically than women. They are more likely to be given raises and promotions because they are seen as less likely to need to leave work for pregnancy or to raise children.


Oh, look, facts! I guess this argument will be over soon.
"Hodor" -Hodor
Charismic Zach Gowen posted...
And how do these men fare job wise? If they don't need to go to college to achieve economic success, they'd be less likely to attend.

@Charismic_Zach_Gowen
Can I get a girlfriend or wife that is willing to pay for my college?


I ask this because enough girls in college get that luxury. As for high paying male dominated jobs?


See the college courses many female studrnts take. Majors/Fields of Study. Discrimination often occurs, yes. But, is it possible that a smaller percentage of females are actually attempting to get into certain higher pay work fieldd?


I even attended a college where 70% of the population is female. Yet, there are certain courses where the female population as a whole just disappears.



Some sort if discrimination exists at any angke, but I doubt that is the main course of the male/female pay gap.
C0c0nuttz 4 hours ago#41
Lmao this is a denialist salt topic. 

Turns out I didn't need any seasoning for my lunch after all.
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EightySix22 4 hours ago#42
Calintares posted...
Let's do a thought experiment.

Imagine you submitted two identical job application where the only difference was that one had a typical "white" name and the other had a typical "nonwhite" name.

which do you think has the better chance of being invited to an interview?

Actually, you don't have to do the thought experiment, this experiment has been performed multiple times and it consistently show that all else being equal, the "white" person is more likely to get better treatment.

that right there is privilege.


That's "majority privilege". People in Mexico are more likely to hire Hispanic sounding names than indian ones. People in Quebec are more likely to prefer a french sounding name than an Anglophone one. That's not racism, that's bias. Sure it's unfair treatment but it's not necessarily ill intended.
@thetruehedgehog posted...
Can I get a girlfriend or wife that is willing to pay for my college?


Who are these mythical women not having to pay for college? And what numbers is this occurring in?

Also, its probably less likely because the number of available rich men vs available rich women is extremly disproportionate.
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PunkRockGiik posted...
Mirage13 posted...
PunkRockGiik posted...
Mirage13 posted...
Ironically, women have it so damn easy in life compared to men. Society is quick to help a woman in distress. If you are an adult male, well society pretty much tells you to go fuck yourself and leaves you to your own devices and abilities; whatever they are.

We should replace "white male privilege" with "female privilege" in our industrialized culture.

I disagree that women have it easier, but you're right that patriarchy hurts men too.


So you disagree that most court child custody cases are won by the mother, punishments of women committing the same crime as men are less severe, the existence of women shelters are an actual thing, most widely diseases known between the sexes are concentrated on women with events put on to help treat it, the existence of female events with men being banned from attending, when a woman is standing at the side of the road in distress people (usually men) are going to stop to help her whereas a man has to figure the problem out himself, women tend to get hired for jobs more often than men despite having the same qualities? Hell, look at social media like Facebook or Twitter. Who gets more social interaction between sexes when things are not going good: men or women? Here is a hint, it's not men.

I could go on and on how easier women have it in our society than men.

1. In most cases, there is mutual agreement on child custody. In the rest, court cases are often won by the mother because the mother usually spends more time with the child and can make a more compelling case to get the child. (Thanks patriarchy) 
2. I don't dispute this one. But I think the problem is more nuanced than you're making it. This Institute says that most women in jail are single mothers; I could see that having an influence on jury sympathy. https://www.vera.org/publications/overlooked-women-and-jails-report
3. Male shelters would be a thing too if men's groups spent as much time starting them as they did complaining about women.
4. I don't see a problem with having a space specifically for women.
5. When a women is standing at the side of the road, she is also more likely to be abducted, murdered, and even held hostages in a box for 7 years. Yes, this actually happened:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kidnapping_of_Colleen_Stan . 
6. Men are doing overwhelmingly better economically than women. They are more likely to be given raises and promotions because they are seen as less likely to need to leave work for pregnancy or to raise children.


@PunkRockGiik

So, female shelters are due to women standing around in groups?


Female shelters, and much of feminism IS FUNDED BY MEN! You are rescued by chivalry.

You, @PunkRockGiik are less likely to face homelessness than most of the guys here. Regardless of what economic/financial success you can bring up.


If you even reported yourself as nearing homelessness at Gamefaqs, you could actually get guys here to donate or take care of you. Us guys don't have that luxuey.


A woman standing at the side of the road is more likely to be abducted? @PunkRockGiik I am willing to bet $500 Paypal that most of us guys here faced more Physical Assault or violence than you EVER did.


Especially those of us guys attending Public Schools here in New York. If you are to be abducted in public, 99% of the time, a male witness will try to rescue you, unless it is late night or something.


Gangs, street thugs, normally assault males in BROAD DAYLIGHT
PunkRockGiik 4 hours ago#45
thetruehedgehog posted...
PunkRockGiik posted...
Bthetruehedgehog posted...
PunkRockGiik posted...
Mirage13 posted...
Ironically, women have it so damn easy in life compared to men. Society is quick to help a woman in distress. If you are an adult male, well society pretty much tells you to go fuck yourself and leaves you to your own devices and abilities; whatever they are.

We should replace "white male privilege" with "female privilege" in our industrialized culture.

I disagree that women have it easier, but you're right that patriarchy hurts men too.


Then debate that. I believe American females have it easier. @PunkRockGiik

Less likely to be homeless, killed, and the US Bureau of Justice indicates that males prefer to destroy each other over females.


Actually, I probably shouldn't debate this, as this kind of argument will end up offending someone. But, the word, Patriachy was used. I am in

How exactly do women have it much harder OVERALL?

Because the things you're describing, while more likely to happen to men, still aren't very likely to happen at all. In contrast, women justifiably fear rape, sexual abuse and/or domestic assault because of how common it is.


@PunkRockGiik

Women are more likely to get sexual abuse, BUT LESS LIKELY TO BE KILLED, MURDERED, BRUTALIZED.


See the United States Burea of Justice for details. If you are a woman, you have a higher chance of surviving... PERIOD.

You ignored my post completely. You're choosing something that just isn't likely to happen to anyone, and saying that because it happens more to men, men have it worse.
Charismic Zach Gowen posted...
@thetruehedgehog posted...
Can I get a girlfriend or wife that is willing to pay for my college?


Who are these mythical women not having to pay for college? And what numbers is this occurring in?

@Charismic_Zach_Gowen

Mythical women? I can get the numbers, but it will be more fun to break it down slowly, and have you admit it first.



Things like Marriage, Divorce, finances, and College registration stats are logged. HOUSEWIVES, women's acceptance/intolerance of males less poorer than them, divorce statistics, Alimony statistics...


Obviously, non working housewives get their husbands to pay for their college, but... it would be more fun to say this slowly. To see how far you are willing to deny this 


You can probably get stats of guys getting a female RELATIVE to help pay for their college, but outside family, I could destroy you easily with this advantage women get.
EightySix22 posted...
Calintares posted...
Let's do a thought experiment.

Imagine you submitted two identical job application where the only difference was that one had a typical "white" name and the other had a typical "nonwhite" name.

which do you think has the better chance of being invited to an interview?

Actually, you don't have to do the thought experiment, this experiment has been performed multiple times and it consistently show that all else being equal, the "white" person is more likely to get better treatment.

that right there is privilege.


That's "majority privilege". People in Mexico are more likely to hire Hispanic sounding names than indian ones. People in Quebec are more likely to prefer a french sounding name than an Anglophone one. That's not racism, that's bias. Sure it's unfair treatment but it's not necessarily ill intended.


Yes, and in America the majority is white, thus white privilege. No one ever claimed white privilege exists in Pakistan or Saudi Arabia or shit like that.
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PunkRockGiik posted...
thetruehedgehog posted...
PunkRockGiik posted...
Bthetruehedgehog posted...
PunkRockGiik posted...
Mirage13 posted...
Ironically, women have it so damn easy in life compared to men. Society is quick to help a woman in distress. If you are an adult male, well society pretty much tells you to go fuck yourself and leaves you to your own devices and abilities; whatever they are.

We should replace "white male privilege" with "female privilege" in our industrialized culture.

I disagree that women have it easier, but you're right that patriarchy hurts men too.


Then debate that. I believe American females have it easier. @PunkRockGiik

Less likely to be homeless, killed, and the US Bureau of Justice indicates that males prefer to destroy each other over females.


Actually, I probably shouldn't debate this, as this kind of argument will end up offending someone. But, the word, Patriachy was used. I am in

How exactly do women have it much harder OVERALL?

Because the things you're describing, while more likely to happen to men, still aren't very likely to happen at all. In contrast, women justifiably fear rape, sexual abuse and/or domestic assault because of how common it is.


@PunkRockGiik

Women are more likely to get sexual abuse, BUT LESS LIKELY TO BE KILLED, MURDERED, BRUTALIZED.


See the United States Burea of Justice for details. If you are a woman, you have a higher chance of surviving... PERIOD.

You ignored my post completely. You're choosing something that just isn't likely to happen to anyone, and saying that because it happens more to men, men have it worse.


He's doing it as well with his stupid sugar daddy college girl strawman. Nevermind that's like at best .001% of the female population. A handful of women have it good! Checkmate feminists!
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Men are doing overwhelmingly better economically than women. They are more likely to be given raises and promotions because they are seen as less likely to need to leave work for pregnancy or to raise children.

Most studies i have seen suggest women receive comparable pay to men, some a little more in certain fields, some a little less, with the same time and experience.

When a women leaves for childbirth or to raise children, she loses experience and then loses market value, as a man would.

This is fair. 


But more importantly, the biggest marker of the wage disparity between men and women regardless of profession is our society objectively puts more stress on men to get higher paying jobs, which is one of the main reasons men get more STEM degrees.

Ironically enough, I would argue media, which is essentially American culture, for the last 50 yrs has been pushing far harder for women intellectuals than it has for men.

Look at any modern representation from Freaks and Geeks all to the way to CW Flash and how "nerdy" people are portrayed, and nerdy girls are almost always portrayed as very attractive, well valued, with high value good looking partners, while nerdy male intellectuals are still often portrayed as short, unathletic, not good looking, outcasts, socially awkward, etc.

But men get STEM degrees anyways because we live in a society where you are far less likely to get a suitable partner without a high paying job than a women is.

Most men would love to date/marry a women doctor, but most women are less likely to be a doctor because honestly, why? Most good looking women don't need to take 7-8 yrs of school/residency to get a high value partner and that is a LOT of time/money invested in order to get something if there's little social incentive.


As long as society views and values men as providers, men will pretty much always be driven to earn more and continue to do so because good luck getting laid these days with a shit job as a dude in any major city.

Tl;Dr: Men make more on average because the average guy is simply much more financially driven than the average women. I go to networking events and talk too young people in college all the time and I can say from statistical experience this is 100% true. A lot of women go to college to get a job they "will love" while most men get a job that "will make them money."
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masher11 3 hours ago#50
PunkRockGiik posted...
Mirage13 posted...
PunkRockGiik posted...
Mirage13 posted...
Ironically, women have it so damn easy in life compared to men. Society is quick to help a woman in distress. If you are an adult male, well society pretty much tells you to go fuck yourself and leaves you to your own devices and abilities; whatever they are.

We should replace "white male privilege" with "female privilege" in our industrialized culture.

I disagree that women have it easier, but you're right that patriarchy hurts men too.


So you disagree that most court child custody cases are won by the mother, punishments of women committing the same crime as men are less severe, the existence of women shelters are an actual thing, most widely diseases known between the sexes are concentrated on women with events put on to help treat it, the existence of female events with men being banned from attending, when a woman is standing at the side of the road in distress people (usually men) are going to stop to help her whereas a man has to figure the problem out himself, women tend to get hired for jobs more often than men despite having the same qualities? Hell, look at social media like Facebook or Twitter. Who gets more social interaction between sexes when things are not going good: men or women? Here is a hint, it's not men.

I could go on and on how easier women have it in our society than men.

1. In most cases, there is mutual agreement on child custody. In the rest, court cases are often won by the mother because the mother usually spends more time with the child and can make a more compelling case to get the child. (Thanks patriarchy) 
2. I don't dispute this one. But I think the problem is more nuanced than you're making it. This Institute says that most women in jail are single mothers; I could see that having an influence on jury sympathy. https://www.vera.org/publications/overlooked-women-and-jails-report
3. Male shelters would be a thing too if men's groups spent as much time starting them as they did complaining about women.
4. I don't see a problem with having a space specifically for women.
5. When a women is standing at the side of the road, she is also more likely to be abducted, murdered, and even held hostages in a box for 7 years. Yes, this actually happened:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kidnapping_of_Colleen_Stan . 
6. Men are doing overwhelmingly better economically than women. They are more likely to be given raises and promotions because they are seen as less likely to need to leave work for pregnancy or to raise children.


imagine using point 1's justification for point 6.

would destroy the wage gap myth.
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