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August 2, 2017

Who do you side with in the Angry Joe vs Subscribers debate?

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Joe.
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The Fans
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This is actually an issue that has occured with lots of people since the explosion of "Online content creators" started in the early 2000s, but Joe is probably the biggest and loudest (Maybe with the exception of Spoony) so it's the best example.


If you haven't heard of him, Angry Joe is a Hispanic game critic not to be confused with AVGN who makes 20-30 minute long "Angry Review" videos with surprising production value for estentially 2 guys in their house. That blends Youtube comedy skits with serious critical review. 

He became hugely popular, has over 3 million subscribers as well as his own site with merchendize, is one of the most popular Twich users in the world and has been earning 6 figures comfortably for years.

But then controversy struck. His videos have allegedly dropped in quality and factually dropped in amount. He also stopped just doing Game Reviews and now does a lot of Movie Reviews and vlogs about Game of Thrones.

He then stated that he is going on a "4 month vacation" from doing Angry Game Reviews because they take too much work and nothing good has come out.

His fanbase got furious, hundreds of thousands unsubbed, swarmed his social media, e-mail, real mail and comment sections with bile and death threats and now all of his videos get 50% disike ratios. He has now disabled comments and the like bar (after swearing in 2014 that he would never do so) and even made a video begging people to stop being so mad at him.

This has lead to a debate: Who is in the right?

Are the angry subscribers right? Joe is a content creator, he's making content they don't like so they are using their first amendment rights to explain that. Joe needs to grow up and handle that. They're the ones giving him their time and money.

Or is Joe in the right? Its his channel and are "fans" being nothing more than entitled babies for screaming angrily at him and throwing tantrums because he changed his format to something he prefers for his own channel? 

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I'm not into Youtube drama but as a Bioware fan I find it facinating because it reminds me so much of the ME3 ending arguments. Only with people instead of crap endings.

But who does CE side with? the millions of the nerds? or the one successful nerd?
^ Hey now that's completely unfair.
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the customer is always right
Virus731 3 days ago#3
I don't understand the obsession with YouTubers at all and who cares if he wants a break he doesn't owe anyone anything.
I hope this ****in' world ****in' burns away
And I'd kill you all if I had my way
Erm, Joe? It's his channel, he can do what he wants. No one's forcing viewers to watch his content, and they aren't paying for it.
UnfairRepresent 3 days ago#5
Virus731 posted...
I don't understand the obsession with YouTubers at all and who cares if he wants a break he doesn't owe anyone anything.

The millions of fans and hundreds of thousands of subscribers who have quit his channel or are now bombarding it with furious bile on an hourly basis care.

Playing Devils Advocate for them, some of these guys have followed joe for years, they've bought his T-shirt, they've supported him on Twich, they turned off adblock for him. And in response he has actively lied, done less work and made it clear he doesn't really care what they think.

Thats gotta sting.
^ Hey now that's completely unfair.
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Glass_Phantom posted...
Erm, Joe? It's his channel, he can do what he wants. No one's forcing viewers to watch his content, and they aren't paying for it.

it's not that simple though. yes, he can do what he wants, but he seems to think that his fans should like what he puts out no matter what it is, and he's been b****ing and whining because people have unsubbed and he is presumably losing revenue. he seems to think that he should just be able to put out whatever kind of content he so desires, without it having any negative effect on his bottom line. and that's just not true, that's not the way it works.
Jabodie 3 days ago#7
Ultimately Angry Joe built his channel off of a style that Youtube has been made unprofitable. I don't really think he prefers the new style, but you need to chug out daily 10+ videos to stay relevant in the algorithms and keep up with watch minutes. There are several Youtubers this has happened to, and I've seen many of them simply put for focus into things other than their channel, and their fans have understood.

In this situation, Angry Joe can no longer make money off of what built his brand and brought in most of his fans. Eventually, his popularity may wane as he makes this new type of content. Or at the very least he will lose the older fanbase.

I think it's time for him to follow other online personalities and look for other opportunities outside of Youtube. His generation is being phased out by the algorithms, like it or not.
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How is watching YouTubers people's livelihood?

"Hey guys, I'm taking a four month break."

"Cool, see you again in four months. Have a good one!"

Instead they turn rabid, unsubscribe immediately and then proceed to downvote or negatively comment on anything the guy ever did? Seriously, what the f*** is wrong with these people?
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Xeno14 3 days ago#9
MrPeppers 3 days ago#10
UnfairRepresent posted...
Playing Devils Advocate for them, some of these guys have followed joe for years, they've bought his T-shirt, they've supported him on Twich, they turned off adblock for him. And in response he has actively lied, done less work and made it clear he doesn't really care what they think.

Thats gotta sting


But at the end of the day his subscribers never really paid for any contractual service. And they still have access to all of his older videos. The guy can do whatever he wants, he'll just get significantly less traffic for it. I'm all for being a little bummed that someone you watch frequently is essentially closing up shop, but sending death threats and harassing him on social media is incredibly immature.
Jonny2284 3 days ago#11
He handled it poorly but ultimately it's his channel, if he wants to take a break he can take a ****ing break. Unless you're actively paying him through Patreon or something for these reviews he now isn't going to do (and from a quick glance I can't find any reference to him having one) then he owes you nothing.
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Ultima Dragon posted...
How is watching YouTubers people's livelihood?

what? who is trying to claim that watching youtube is anyone's livelihood? i don't see anyone talking about any such claim besides you.
UnfairRepresent 3 days ago#13
Jonny2284 posted...
He handled it poorly but ultimately it's his channel, if he wants to take a break he can take a ****ing break. Unless you're actively paying him through Patreon or something (and from a quick glance I can't find any reference to him having one) then he owes you nothing.

It would be kinda douchey if he had a Pateron. He's huge on Youtube/Twitch and doesn't actually make games. He just reviews them.

That would be penny pinching
^ Hey now that's completely unfair.
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Jabodie 3 days ago#14
Anyway, as for the temper of his fanbase, I think you'd be hard pressed to find somebody that sides with the crazed fanboys.

Personally, I used to watch AJ and his content has gotten worse imo. I don't think it's lazier, I simply thinks he's bad at making quality daily uploads, and it's obvious he makes uploads just to stay relevant in the algorithms.
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The fans are right. The fans turn to him for video game reviews. He doesn't do those anymore so people are right to complain. 

It might be different if his movie reviews were good, but they just suck ass. It's just three or four dudes rambling off script about a movie. That's something I do IRL. That's not something entertaining to watch. 

To conclude, f*** anyone who gives death threats, but overall the fans have a point. Personally I haven't even looked at his channel since like March or so. If he wants to piss away his fan base he is entitled to do that, but he has no right to get mad at fans when he isn't giving the content they want.
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MrPeppers 3 days ago#16
Jonny2284 posted...
He handled it poorly but ultimately it's his channel, if he wants to take a break he can take a ****ing break. Unless you're actively paying him through Patreon or something for these reviews he now isn't going to do (and from a quick glance I can't find any reference to him having one) then he owes you nothing.


Even then Patreon is donation driven from my understanding. There's still no legal or even ethical responsibility to continue producing the same type of video, so long as you as a creator realize the donation money will stop rolling in if you change the formula significantly.
UnfairRepresent posted...
It would be kinda douchey if he had a Pateron. He's huge on Youtube/Twitch and doesn't actually make games. He just reviews them.

then it's douchey for tens of thousands or maybe hundreds of thousands of youtubers. having a Patreon in addition to your youtube channel is pretty common practice for youtubers of all genres nowadays.

edit: also, having a Patreon has nothing to do with making games, so i dunno why you specified that he doesn't actually make games, like it has anything to do with having a Patreon.
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Jabodie 3 days ago#18
TheBiggerWiggle posted...
It might be different if his movie reviews were good, but they just suck ass.

His older ones were actually pretty good imo.

The ones where it was just him, and formatted a lot like his game reviews (though there were no skits).

I'm convinced he has the four others there to pump out minutes a lot faster than he could do by himself.
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UnfairRepresent 3 days ago#19
DuranOfForcena posted...
UnfairRepresent posted...
It would be kinda douchey if he had a Pateron. He's huge on Youtube/Twitch and doesn't actually make games. He just reviews them.

then it's douchey for tens of thousands or maybe hundreds of thousands of youtubers. having a Patreon in addition to your youtube channel is pretty common practice for youtubers of all genres nowadays.

Yeah but not many who already make bank.

Most of the guys who have Paterons are guys who were barely living who then after ad revenue got smashed had to say "Either you support me or content stops/slows because I'll have to get a day job."

Or alternatively make content AND also make games or films as well.
^ Hey now that's completely unfair.
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UnfairRepresent posted...
Or alternatively make content AND also make games or films as well.

again, what is it that you think making games has to do with having a Patreon?
Funkydog 3 days ago#21
No idea what it's about. Don't want to know, or even care.
UnfairRepresent 3 days ago#22
DuranOfForcena posted...
UnfairRepresent posted...
Or alternatively make content AND also make games or films as well.

again, what is it that you think making games has to do with having a Patreon?

Its less douchey when a guy goes "I want to make games but can't make a game AND do videos, so if you can support me on Pateron I can do both or else the video out put will cease/slow" said in nicer words.

Than

"Hey give me money lolz"
^ Hey now that's completely unfair.
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"the costumer is always right", except I doubt most of his subscribers actually pay him anything. If they don't like it, stop watching. It is a s***ty thing to do if he has a patreon or something similar.
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UnfairRepresent posted...
Its less douchey when a guy goes "I want to make games but can't make a game AND do videos, so if you can support me on Pateron I can do both or else the video out put will cease/slow" said in nicer words.

Than

"Hey give me money lolz"

that doesn't answer my question. i have absolutely no clue where you are getting anyone making a game from. it has no relevance to this situation whatsoever.
Dampproof 3 days ago#25
Both are right.

1. The content creator has the right to put out the content that they want to.

2. The subscriber has the right to choose whether or not they wish to support current and future content from the creator.

If the content creator chooses to change what they do then nothing can stop them from doing so. The subscriber has a choice whether or not they wish to support said content creator.

A subscriber can obviously leave behind feedback about if they like the direction of the content, but they cannot control the content. the creator is in control. 

What neither can do or should do is whine about the other side. The content creator should not expect 100% positive feedback from any sort of alterations and change of directions. They should realize that sometimes they can make a bad decision which will ultimately cost them subscribers.

While obviously the subscriber does not own the soul of the content creator and does not own the content itself. If they dont like it anymore then don't subscriber anymore, it costs nothing from them and they signed no contract saying that they MUST always stay subscribed to this person.
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UnfairRepresent 3 days ago#26
DuranOfForcena posted...
UnfairRepresent posted...
Its less douchey when a guy goes "I want to make games but can't make a game AND do videos, so if you can support me on Pateron I can do both or else the video out put will cease/slow" said in nicer words.

Than

"Hey give me money lolz"

that doesn't answer my question. i have absolutely no clue where you are getting anyone making a game from. it has no relevance to this situation whatsoever.

You asked why it would be douchey to have a pateron when other youtubers do

I pointed out that many (if not most) paterons are actually quite reasonable.

Either

Very small channels whose paterons are pocket change.

Or medium channels that can't survive due to ad revenue loss.

Or people who have multiple projects who need pateron support to manage doing everything.

Joe is not any of those 3.

He has one project, is making bank and is a huge channel in his genre.
^ Hey now that's completely unfair.
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MrPeppers 3 days ago#27
UnfairRepresent posted...

Its less douchey when a guy goes "I want to make games but can't make a game AND do videos, so if you can support me on Pateron I can do both or else the video out put will cease/slow" said in nicer words.

Than

"Hey give me money lolz"


I guess that's your opinion, but asking for donations from a centralized platform like Patreon in order to support and improve the quality of future content is completely reasonable and not douchey at all. Look at someone like Jim Sterling. Like him or not, he has a Patreon, and the donations that roll in from that site allow him to produce weekly videos significantly higher in quality than before he had the Patreon. He does nothing other than make video game reviews, and he does a good job of it.
Kanaya413 3 days ago#28
Virus731 posted...
I don't understand the obsession with YouTubers at all and who cares if he wants a break he doesn't owe anyone anything.
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UnfairRepresent posted...
You asked why it would be douchey to have a pateron when other youtubers do

I pointed out that many (if not most) paterons are actually quite reasonable.

Either

Very small channels whose paterons are pocket change.

Or medium channels that can't survive due to ad revenue loss.

Or people who have multiple projects who need pateron support to manage doing everything.

Joe is not any of those 3.

He has one project, is making bank and is a huge channel in his genre.

that still doesn't answer my f***ing question lol, what the f*** is your problem? why did you criticize Angry Joe for using Patreon while not making a game? what the f*** does making a game have to do in your mind with having a Patreon?

and you are incorrect about the types of youtubers who have Patreons. literally every type of youtuber has Patreons. it's no more douchey for any one type of youtuber to have a Patreon compared to any other type of youtuber.
UnfairRepresent 3 days ago#30
MrPeppers posted...

I guess that's your opinion, but asking for donations from a centralized platform like Patreon in order to support and improve the quality of future content is completely reasonable and not douchey at all.

If you say so

Let's go support Gates and Musk's new pateron's then.
^ Hey now that's completely unfair.
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UnfairRepresent posted...
MrPeppers posted...

I guess that's your opinion, but asking for donations from a centralized platform like Patreon in order to support and improve the quality of future content is completely reasonable and not douchey at all.

If you say so

Let's go support Gates and Musk's new pateron's then.

wow, you are just f***ing going all out this morning
MrPeppers 3 days ago#32
UnfairRepresent posted...

If you say so

Let's go support Gates and Musk's new pateron's then.


Wait, Bill Gates and Elon Musk are career YouTubers now?
I get wanting a content creator to create content you like.

I don't get being angry when he doesn't.

Internet folk get really weird when they don't get what they want.
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UnfairRepresent 3 days ago#34
DuranOfForcena posted...

and you are incorrect about the types of youtubers who have Patreons. literally every type of youtuber has Patreons.

Oh cool please link me PewDiePie's Pateron and JustinBieber's pateron then
^ Hey now that's completely unfair.
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ROBANN_88 3 days ago#35
he's free to do whatever the f*** he wants, of course.
but the fans are also free to just not watch it and unsub if they don't like it, as well as criticize.

but hate comments and death threats are a bit much
UnfairRepresent posted...
DuranOfForcena posted...

and you are incorrect about the types of youtubers who have Patreons. literally every type of youtuber has Patreons.

Oh cool please link me PewDiePie's Pateron and JustinBieber's pateron then

ITP: "every type of youtuber" means the exact same thing as "every youtuber"
UnfairRepresent 3 days ago#37
DuranOfForcena posted...
UnfairRepresent posted...
DuranOfForcena posted...

and you are incorrect about the types of youtubers who have Patreons. literally every type of youtuber has Patreons.

Oh cool please link me PewDiePie's Pateron and JustinBieber's pateron then

ITP: "every type of youtuber" means the exact same thing as "every youtuber"

I feel like you're intentionally pretending that you don't understand my point just so you can argue.

What huge Youtube channels can you name that make bank, only have 1 project and ask for a patreon?

And when you pull up that list which I doubt you will, who in it is not douchey?
^ Hey now that's completely unfair.
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UnfairRepresent posted...
I feel like you're intentionally pretending that you don't understand my point just so you can argue.

really? cuz that's exactly what i think about you and how you have dodged my question multiple times now about why you think a person who has a Patreon needs to be making a game otherwise they are douchey.
GOATTHlEF 3 days ago#39
Joe is just trying to cause drama to stay relevant. Ignore him and let him fade into obscurity.
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UnfairRepresent 3 days ago#40
Case and point. You couldn't name a single one.
^ Hey now that's completely unfair.
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UnfairRepresent posted...
Case and point. You couldn't name a single one.

why the f*** won't you answer my question?
UnfairRepresent 3 days ago#42
GOATTHlEF posted...
Joe is just trying to cause drama to stay relevant. Ignore him and let him fade into obscurity.

I don't think so.

The drama has caused a loss in revenue. Less views and less subscribers is bad and he seems genuinely upset. 

IF this was a marketing ploy then it has failed.
^ Hey now that's completely unfair.
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UnfairRepresent 3 days ago#43
DuranOfForcena posted...
UnfairRepresent posted...
Case and point. You couldn't name a single one.

why the f*** won't you answer my question?

Because it's simutaniously a stupid leading question and also one that has already been answered.

So it's dumb on both levels and you know that, you're only repeating it for attention.
^ Hey now that's completely unfair.
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MrPeppers 3 days ago#44
UnfairRepresent posted...
Case and point. You couldn't name a single one.


It's hard to refute anything when the term "douchey" is entirely subjective. It's like you've set yourself up to win in this entirely pointless argument before anyone even engaged you in it.
UnfairRepresent posted...
DuranOfForcena posted...
UnfairRepresent posted...
Case and point. You couldn't name a single one.

why the f*** won't you answer my question?

Because it's simutaniously a stupid leading question and also one that has already been answered.

So it's dumb on both levels and you know that, you're only repeating it for attention.

it's not any of that. it's not a stupid question, it's not a leading question, you haven't answered it, it's not dumb, and i'm not repeating it for attention. i'm repeating it because i want you to f***ing answer it.
Case in point...
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Angry Joe is a big f***ing baby but his fanbase are even bigger f***ing babies.

If the guy wants to take a break, he can take a break. Don't like it? Unsub and stop watching. No need to go nuts though.
UnfairRepresent 3 days ago#48
DuranOfForcena posted...

it's not any of that. it's not a stupid question,


Yes it is

it's not a leading question,


Yes it is

you haven't answered it,


Yes I have.

it's not dumb,


Yes it is

and i'm not repeating it for attention.


I don't believe you

i'm repeating it because i want you to f***ing answer it.


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^ Hey now that's completely unfair.
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Yeah but not many who already make bank.

Most of the guys who have Paterons are guys who were barely living who then after ad revenue got smashed had to say "Either you support me or content stops/slows because I'll have to get a day job."

Or alternatively make content AND also make games or films as well.


that's not an answer to why you think making games specifically has anything to do with youtubers and Patreon. and it still demonstrates a profound misunderstanding on your part of what Patreon is and what type of people use it and why.
UnfairRepresent 3 days ago#50
DuranOfForcena posted...


that's not an answer to why you think making games specifically has anything to do with youtubers and Patreon.

It's about multiple projects.

The difference between 

"give me money lolz"

And "Give me money so I can still maintain this standard of content and do something else at the same time."

I refuse to accept you do not have the mental capacity to understand this. A 4 year old could understand it if you used simplier words.

A metaphor. It's like someone makes you a cup of tea every day. Then suddenly says "Give me $5 for making you tea" vs the same person says "Hey I'm making Tea AND dinner now so if you can help me out that'll be great or else I might not be able to make you tea every day because of the demands of dinner service."

Simple.
^ Hey now that's completely unfair.
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    UnfairRepresent posted...
    And "Give me money so I can still maintain this standard of content and do something else at the same time."

    which is not nor has it ever been a requirement in order to use Patreon
    MrPeppers 3 days ago#52
    That's a completely arbitrary requirement for having a Patreon that you've concocted. How do you know that someone didn't quit their day job to focus more creating the same type of content? There could be a multitude of reasons for someone starting up a Patreon account that don't just involve greed. Patreon doesn't exist for the sole purpose of supporting and only supporting side projects.
    UnfairRepresent 3 days ago#53
    Literally nobody said anything about requirements.

    You're putting words in people's mouths just so you can pretend not to understand them solely so you can argue, it's pathetic.

    "So mr President why are you planning to nuke Norway?"

    "I'm not. Nobody ever said or implied anything of the sort"

    "OH so since when was it a requirement to eat bananas before you killed baby camels! Mr President? So why are so happy to nuke them!?"

    It's the ramblings of a madman.
    ^ Hey now that's completely unfair.
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    UnfairRepresent posted...
    Literally nobody said anything about requirements.

    you have continually said that it is a requirement for having a Patreon and not being douchey. which it's not. you can have a Patreon for anything the Patreon Terms of Service says you can have it for. using it for what it is expressly supposed to be used for is not douchey in anyone's eyes except for yours. there is nothing in the Patreon guidelines that says "you can use Patreon only if you have more than one project going, otherwise you are a douchebag." but for some reason you think it does.
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    Vyrulisse 3 days ago#56
    Both sides actually but Joe is handling it like a spoiled brat so it makes him look bad. I enjoy Angry Joe but he's acting a bit like a baby right now.
    UnfairRepresent 3 days ago#57
    DuranOfForcena posted...

    you have continually said that it is a requirement

    No I ddin't.

    You're arguing with ghosts. It's silly.
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    UnfairRepresent posted...
    DuranOfForcena posted...

    you have continually said that it is a requirement

    No I ddin't.

    You're arguing with ghosts. It's silly.

    you intentionally left off the part of my quote that matters. the part about a requirement for having a Patreon and not being douchey. you have made it clear in every post you have made on the subject that if someone is using Patreon who doesn't have multiple projects going, then they are douchey. and that's just not true. that's an erroneous and inconsequential invention of your misguided brain.
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    TheBiggerWiggle posted...
    It might be different if his movie reviews were good, but they just suck ass.

    His older ones were actually pretty good imo.

    The ones where it was just him, and formatted a lot like his game reviews (though there were no skits).

    I'm convinced he has the four others there to pump out minutes a lot faster than he could do by himself.

    This... His movie reviews went down in quality really quickly, and he sorta regurgitates popular opinions sometimes.

    If you wanna watch an actual good movie impressions video, pretty much watch Cinema Snob/Brad and his Midnight Screenings series. He's significantly more fair and makes very interesting points about every movie
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    UnfairRepresent 3 days ago#60
    DuranOfForcena posted...
    you have made it clear in every post you have made on the subject that if someone is using Patreon who doesn't have multiple projects going, then they are douchey.

    No I did not.

    Can you go a single post without making some s*** up?
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    MrMallard 3 days ago#61
    I never really liked Angry Joe, he's always come across as needlessly caustic even for a gimmick "grr!! angry vidya game dude!!" channel, and he's so up his own ass sometimes. I'm certainly not losing any sleep over this.

    I mean, I support his decision - it's his channel, if he wants to retool it to make content that he likes then I'm down with that. But I don't entirely blame his fans, either. Video game reviews are what made Angry Joe who he is, and you'd hope that after covering them for so many years he'd stick to his guns. Do movie reviews, expand your repertoire - whatever you need to make it through the day. But if a game-focused Youtube channel decides to stop covering video games for as long as four months, then they're going to lose viewers who wanted to hear them talk about video games.

    Of course, fans are almost always bats*** crazy - especially when your subscriber base goes up into the millions. Just recently there's been drama involving the Game Grumps over that Dream Daddy game - one dummied-out ending has turned a budding fanbase into a venomous cesspit of garbage in less than a month, and it's over some stupid dogs*** that has no bearing on the game itself. When the myth grows larger than the real person, then dehumanisation takes over and both praise and criticism gets extremely ugly.

    I think Angry Joe made the wrong choice. Dude should maybe do a retro game series, something to tide his fans over instead of switching gears to a wider multimedia scope at the expense of his video game coverage. But I sincerely doubt that every negative thing being thrown his way is justified, because I imagine a lot of that backlash is beyond calling him a hack now, and is particularly more vitriolic and heinous.
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    UnfairRepresent posted...
    DuranOfForcena posted...
    you have made it clear in every post you have made on the subject that if someone is using Patreon who doesn't have multiple projects going, then they are douchey.

    No I did not.

    Can you go a single post without making some s*** up?

    are you f***ing serious?

    okay, now you just gotta be f***ing with me. there's literally no other explanation.
    Sami1000 3 days ago#63
    Angry Joe is a Hispanic game critic not to be confused with AVGN who makes 20-30 minute long "Angry Review" videos


    Now, you lost me. Are we talking about this guy or not? https://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/youtube/images/8/82/Angry-Joe-Vargas.png/revision/latest?cb=20141127220241

    hundreds of thousands unsubbed, swarmed his social media, e-mail, real mail and comment sections with bile and death threats


    Your first amendment allows death threats and harassing? Seems like the fanbase is just bunch of entitled dicks. It sucks to lose a channel or seeing it changing, but Joe doesn't owe anything to his subs. Its his channel, if he wants to do something else its his right.
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    Joe had a terrible, unprofessional initial response, but since he later clarified and considering the substance of his message, I'm in agreement with his decision. He just went about saying it the wrong way and came off as a complete jackass even if he's totally right - he's provided a lot of content, he deserves a break from dedicated projects if he wants.
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    I've never really liked Angry Joe, but throwing a fit over something like this is really childish and makes the people doing it look pathetic and lacking in a life
    butts
    UnfairRepresent 3 days ago#66
    Sami1000 posted...
    Angry Joe is a Hispanic game critic not to be confused with AVGN who makes 20-30 minute long "Angry Review" videos


    Now, you lost me. Are we talking about this guy or not? https://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/youtube/images/8/82/Angry-Joe-Vargas.png/revision/latest?cb=20141127220241

    Yeah that guy.

    A lot of people confuse him with AVGN because of the "angry" or else assume he was a rip off

    Which is a shame because they are very different and are also friends
    ^ Hey now that's completely unfair.
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    Sami1000 3 days ago#67
    UnfairRepresent posted...
    Sami1000 posted...
    Angry Joe is a Hispanic game critic not to be confused with AVGN who makes 20-30 minute long "Angry Review" videos


    Now, you lost me. Are we talking about this guy or not? https://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/youtube/images/8/82/Angry-Joe-Vargas.png/revision/latest?cb=20141127220241

    Yeah that guy.

    A lot of people confuse him with AVGN because of the "angry" or else assume he was a rip off

    Which is a shame because they are very different and are also friends


    Ok. Hey, if his channel bombs he should make a new one. ASMR videos. There's already s*** ton of people who likes ASMR for relaxation. He could call himself the "angry whisperer".
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    UnfairRepresent 3 days ago#68
    BTW if you want a laugh, here's an old video of Joe begging them not to cancel Aliens Colonial Marines:

    ^ Hey now that's completely unfair.
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    UnfairRepresent posted...
    BTW if you want a laugh

    if i want a laugh all i need to do is read back through your ridiculous posts in this topic claiming that anyone who uses Patreon has to have multiple projects going on otherwise they are a douchebag
    If you want a laugh, go back to the temper tantrum he threw over Nintendo not allowing him to post videos of their games and how he acted like they were completely ruining him even though he barely ever did Nintendo stuff.
    UnfairRepresent 3 days ago#71
    D-Lo_BrownTown posted...
    If you want a laugh, go back to the temper tantrum he threw over Nintendo not allowing him to post videos of their games and how he acted like they were completely ruining him even though he barely ever did Nintendo stuff.

    To be fair to Joe, Nintendo's reponse to Lets Players has always been terrible.

    Even Nintendo of America realize how off the path Nintendo of Japan is.

    Nintendo doesn't seem to understand that Lets Plays and Reviews are good for everyone. Instead trying to pinch pennies from their biggest fans is kinda sad.

    Honestly I would avoid Nintendo entirely if I was making content like this
    ^ Hey now that's completely unfair.
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    UnfairRepresent 2 days ago#72
    Poll is dead even so far
    ^ Hey now that's completely unfair.
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    YellowSUV 2 days ago#73
    Joe doesn't owe the fans anything and can post what he wants AND the fans don't owe Joe views for him producing stuff they don't want to watch.
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    OwlRammer 2 days ago#74
    fair, if he didn't want people to be angry at him he shouldn't have made his gimmick being an angry guy
    UnfairRepresent 1 day ago#75
    OwlRammer posted...
    fair, if he didn't want people to be angry at him he shouldn't have made his gimmick being an angry guy

    To be fair to the guy he really isn't all that angry.

    It's just kinda that the nickname is 9 years old now so he can't really change it.
    ^ Hey now that's completely unfair.
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    Joe's right, but he could have worded stuff better. But to people saying he's stopped with his game reviews (or has slowed down) he hasn't, hes actually been pumping out the same amount of reviews this year than last year. Last year he made 18 game reviews total, this year he's made 9 (excluding a 40 minute switch unboxing/vlog/first impressions). Last year at this time (August), he made 12 reviews, 3 of which were in a "mini" style, which were only 10-15 minutes long with just voiceover over gameplay. So you can say last year at this time he made 9 real reviews, compared to this years 9 reviews.

    He can take a vacation if he wants, during the slow season in gaming too, it's not like he's going away in October/November. If he never made a schedule, no one would be saying a word because a 4 month gap between reviews isn't even new for him.
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    Doe 1 day ago#77
    There's nothing wrong with Joe taking time off but he didn't communicate his grievances well at first which is the only reason why this is an issue.
    UnfairRepresent 1 day ago#78
    Doe posted...
    There's nothing wrong with Joe taking time off but he didn't communicate his grievances well at first which is the only reason why this is an issue.

    Uhuh
    ^ Hey now that's completely unfair.
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    Just imagine taking time off of playing video for a living. Even worse, imagine thinking you deserve to take time off after skipping a ton of major games for almost 2 years now. I don't watch Angry Joe but I do see where some of his fans are coming from. 

    People subscribed to his channel for his video games reviews. Not for his poorly done movie reviews, boring streams, or cheap way to get views movie trailer reactions. The man needs to learn how to take criticism. On the other hand, some of the fans care way too much about this.
    ...
    UnfairRepresent 1 day ago#80
    Apocalyptic posted...
    Just imagine taking time off of playing video for a living.

    "Just imagine taking time off from running while holding a ball for a living!"

    Never understood this bizarre and immensely stupid attempt to try and hide the fact you don't have much of a point by intentionally downplaying what someone's job entails. It just makes your point look weaker, not stronger.

    Odds are like him or not Joe works harder than you do. Run his own company, has employees, does his own writing/editing/filming/taxes as well as running his channel.

    In fact he is not stopping playing/talking about games in his vacation, the vacation is for the 70-200 hours of work he puts into the reviews
    ^ Hey now that's completely unfair.
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    UnfairRepresent 1 hour ago#81
    Poll is dead even

    What I love about this debate is how split everyone is on it.

    Go to Joe's channel. It's 50-50. Go to Youtube or Twtitter or Reddit or near any message board, it's 50-50. Listen to other Youtubers comment on it? It's 50-50.

    Eveywhere you look there's "I don't like Joe but he's right" and "I love Joe but he's wrong."

    This is one of the most divisive issues I have ever seen. It's amazing.
    ^ Hey now that's completely unfair.
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    Go ahead and unsub but f*** off with the death threats
    I cannot believe it!
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