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October 13, 2017

The FBI's New U.S. Terrorist Threat: 'Black Identity Extremists'

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MetaMajik 6 days ago#1
As white supremacists prepared to descend on Charlottesville, Virginia, in August, the FBI warned about a new movement that was violent, growing, and racially motivated. Only it wasn’t white supremacists; it was “black identity extremists.”

Amid a rancorous debate over whether the Trump administration has downplayed the threat posed by white supremacist groups, the FBI’s counterterrorism division has declared that black identity extremists pose a growing threat of premeditated violence against law enforcement.

“The FBI assesses it is very likely Black Identity Extremist (BIE) perceptions of police brutality against African Americans spurred an increase in premeditated, retaliatory lethal violence against law enforcement and will very likely serve as justification for such violence,” reads the report, marked for official use only and obtained by Foreign Policy.

The August 2014 shooting of Michael Brown in Ferguson, Missouri, was the catalyst for widespread anger and violence, the FBI report says, concluding that continued “alleged” police abuses have fueled more violence.

“The FBI assesses it is very likely incidents of alleged police abuse against African Americans since then have continued to feed the resurgence in ideologically motivated, violent criminal activity within the BIE movement,” the report states.

Some 748 people have been shot and killed by police so far in 2017, including at least 168 African-Americans.

The report, dated Aug. 3 — just nine days before the white supremacist rally in Charlottesville turned deadly — appears to be the first known reference to “black identity extremists” as a movement. But former government officials and legal experts said no such movement exists, and some expressed concern that the term is part of a politically motivated effort to find an equivalent threat to white supremacists.

A former senior counterterrorism and intelligence official from the Department of Homeland Security who reviewed the document at FP’s request expressed shock at the language.

“This is a new umbrella designation that has no basis,” the former official said. “There are civil rights and privacy issues all over this.”

The concept of “black identity extremists” appears to be entirely new. FP found only five references to the term in a Google search; all were to law enforcement documents about domestic terrorism from the last two months. One of those online references is to law enforcement training on identifying “domestic terror groups and criminally subversive subcultures which are encountered by law enforcement professionals on a daily basis.”

Among the six acts of premeditated violence linked to black identity extremists — it excludes violence toward police carried out in the normal course of their duties — the reports cites the July 2016 shooting of 11 police officers in Dallas. The shooter, Micah Johnson, was reportedly angry at police violence.

“Based on Johnson’s journal writings and statements to police, he appeared to have been influenced by BIE ideology,” the FBI report states. The attack took place during a Black Lives Matter protest of police shootings, though the BLM movement is not mentioned by name in the report.

Yet those involved in the Black Lives Matter movement have voiced concerns about FBI surveillance.

DeRay McKesson, an activist involved in the Black Lives Matter movement, told FP that the FBI visited his house in the run-up to the Republican National Convention. “I spoke about the FBI visit to my house and the houses of other activists in our final meeting with [President Barack] Obama,” he said.

“There is a long tradition of the FBI targeting black activists and this is not surprising,” McKesson said.


More to read at the link: http://foreignpolicy.com/2017/10/06/the-fbi-has-identified-a-new-domestic-terrorist-threat-and-its-black-identity-extremists/
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DreadedWave 6 days ago#2
Remember that time a "Black Identity Extremist" ran over some protesters?

Me neither.
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CarlGrimes 6 days ago#3
DreadedWave posted...
Remember that time a "Black Identity Extremist" ran over some protesters?

Me neither.

I remember this though.
http://tinyurl.com/ju6ejn4
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Tezlok 6 days ago#4
DreadedWave posted...
Remember that time a "Black Identity Extremist" ran over some protesters?

Me neither.

remember the multiple times black identity extremists ambushed cops and killed them?
CADE FOSTER 6 days ago#5
DreadedWave posted...
Remember that time a "Black Identity Extremist" ran over some protesters?

Me neither.

That was a WIE

White Identity Extremist just like the vegas shooter
FLUFFYGERM 6 days ago#6
black supremacists are in fact a thing and should be shut down alongside white supremacists
ImAMarvel 6 days ago#7
Have black extremists even done anything major within the past few years?
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CarlGrimes 6 days ago#8
ImAMarvel posted...
Have black extremists even done anything major within the past few years?

CarlGrimes posted...
DreadedWave posted...
Remember that time a "Black Identity Extremist" ran over some protesters?

Me neither.

I remember this though.
http://tinyurl.com/ju6ejn4
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Vertania 6 days ago#9
CarlGrimes posted...
I remember this though.
http://tinyurl.com/ju6ejn4

and this
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017_Chicago_torture_incident

The victim was bound, gagged, beaten, taunted, had part of his scalp removed with a knife, and was forced to kiss the floor and drink from a toilet bowl. The attackers are heard shouting "Fuck Trump" and "Fuck white people" in the video.
scorpion41 6 days ago#10
ImAMarvel posted...
Have black extremists even done anything major within the past few years?


Besides ambushing cops?
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Halo478 6 days ago#11
White indentity extremists just shoot up churches
Are their good people on both sides?
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Tezlok 6 days ago#13
apocalyptic_4 posted...
Are their good people on both sides?

yes because there are good whites and good blacks
Paper_Okami 6 days ago#14
Remember when the FBI murdered Fred Hampton? I member
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did they name themselves that? that doesn't sound creative enough to be an original Black name, lol.
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Paper_Okami 5 days ago#17
The FBI is seriously such a shitty organization, imagine calling people who are protesting their right to not get shot and killed by police "extremists"
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smoliske 5 days ago#18
Paper_Okami posted...
Remember when the FBI murdered Fred Hampton? I member


lowtides 5 days ago#19
If the white extremists aren’t on the list than screw them. This country is headed to hell in a hand basket.
Cheater87 5 days ago#20
Ammonitida 5 days ago#21
LOL at triggered leftists who conveniently forget about Micah Johnson, the Baton Rouge shooter and the Fresno shooter.
Ammonitida 5 days ago#22
Paper_Okami posted...
The FBI is seriously such a shitty organization, imagine calling people who are protesting their right to not get shot and killed by police "extremists"


Yeah, imagine calling Micah Johnson an extremist. How dare they!! He was fighting for social justice!!

The FBI report was not calling BLM protestors "BIE"s. Just a certain type of individual associated with extremist movements like "Moorish ‘sovereign citizens", to which both the Baton Rouge shooter and Micah Johnson belonged to.
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Ammonitida 5 days ago#23
CADE FOSTER posted...
DreadedWave posted...
Remember that time a "Black Identity Extremist" ran over some protesters?

Me neither.

That was a WIE

White Identity Extremist just like the vegas shooter


Uh, no.
FrisbeeDude  attack always5 days ago#24
"But black people"

Lmao at this gutter tier equivocation attempt
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Paper_Okami 5 days ago#25
Ammonitida posted...
Paper_Okami posted...
The FBI is seriously such a shitty organization, imagine calling people who are protesting their right to not get shot and killed by police "extremists"


Yeah, imagine calling Micah Johnson an extremist. How dare they!! He was fighting for social justice!!


okay and how about the far more significant numbers of black activists who have protested police gunning down black people and haven't killed anyone?
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Ammonitida 5 days ago#26
Paper_Okami posted...
Ammonitida posted...
Paper_Okami posted...
The FBI is seriously such a shitty organization, imagine calling people who are protesting their right to not get shot and killed by police "extremists"


Yeah, imagine calling Micah Johnson an extremist. How dare they!! He was fighting for social justice!!


okay and how about the far more significant numbers of black activists who have protested police gunning down black people and haven't killed anyone?

The FBI report was not calling BLM protestors "BIE"s. Just a certain type of individual associated with extremist movements like "Moorish ‘sovereign citizens", to which both the Baton Rouge shooter and Micah Johnson belonged to.
RE_expert44 5 days ago#27
Doesn't the FBI know that black people can't be racist in 2017?
Ammonitida 5 days ago#28
Isn't this the same logic they used to spy on MLK and Malcolm X?
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Annihilated 5 days ago#30
Racial identity is a stupid and dangerous concept and so is any organization that supports it. FBI is being completely fair.
The Admiral 5 days ago#31
DreadedWave posted...
Remember that time a "Black Identity Extremist" ran over some protesters?

Me neither.


LOL @ at a deflection in literally the first response. Goddamn, the liberal fragility on this board.
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Paper_Okami 5 days ago#32
MacDaMurderer posted...
Isn't this the same logic they used to spy on MLK and Malcolm X?


yesAmmonitida posted...
Paper_Okami posted...
Ammonitida posted...
Paper_Okami posted...
The FBI is seriously such a shitty organization, imagine calling people who are protesting their right to not get shot and killed by police "extremists"


Yeah, imagine calling Micah Johnson an extremist. How dare they!! He was fighting for social justice!!


okay and how about the far more significant numbers of black activists who have protested police gunning down black people and haven't killed anyone?

The FBI report was not calling BLM protestors "BIE"s. Just a certain type of individual associated with extremist movements like "Moorish ‘sovereign citizens", to which both the Baton Rouge shooter and Micah Johnson belonged to.


bullshit.

This isn't anything they haven't done before.
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Ammonitida 5 days ago#33
In the report, the FBI makes note of 6 separate attacks on law enforcement/white people last year, resulting in 9 deaths (in contrast, no attacks came at the hands of anyone associated with a WIE movement). All perps were associated with extremist movements like Moorish Sovereign citizens and/or Black Hebrews. It was NOT calling BLM a BIE movement.
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DreadedWave 5 days ago#35
Ammonitida posted...
LOL at triggered leftists

>posts 6 times
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The Admiral 5 days ago#36
I only posted once before this, and you're triggered big time.
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CrimsonRage 5 days ago#37
lol this is the same shit they pulled on Malcom X and MLK.
Axiom 5 days ago#38
*Stops focusing on white extremists even though there have been actual attacks from them. Refocuses on "black extremists" with no clear definition of what a "black extremist" even is or if they actually exist*

Lol ok
Chad-Henne 5 days ago#39
FrisbeeDude posted...
"But black people"

Lmao at this gutter tier equivocation attempt
Fishy 5 days ago#40
A white guy shoots up a crowd with no clear reason at all and it's white supremacy.

A black man shoots up a church in retaliation for white crimes and leaves a note specifically saying so and it's just a mystery why he would ever do it.
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Taharqa_ 5 days ago#41
Fishy posted...
A white guy shoots up a crowd with no clear reason at all and it's white supremacy.

A black man shoots up a church in retaliation for white crimes and leaves a note specifically saying so and it's just a mystery why he would ever do it.


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untrustful 5 days ago#42
It's hypocritical to focus on black supremacists without focusing on white supremacists. Either focus on both or don't do your job at all.
cjsdowg 5 days ago#43
Wow a made up term to complain about black people. Who would have guess that coming from this admin.
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Ammonitida 5 days ago#44
cjsdowg posted...
Wow a made up term to complain about black people. Who would have guess that coming from this admin.


https://www.rawstory.com/2016/07/inside-the-moorish-sovereign-citizen-movement-that-motivated-the-baton-rouge-cop-killer/

And the study began last year, under Obama.
--kresnik-- 5 days ago#45
DreadedWave posted...
Remember that time a "Black Identity Extremist" ran over some protesters?

Me neither.

You must have that confused with something blm did, then.
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AcFan87 5 days ago#46
DreadedWave posted...
Remember that time a "Black Identity Extremist" ran over some protesters?

Me neither.

I remember when they burned businesses to the ground, overturned cars, assaulted people, etc.
Fishy 5 days ago#47
AcFan87 posted...
I remember when they burned businesses to the ground, overturned cars, assaulted people, etc.

Conducted organized hits on law enforcement, shot up churches, tortured people...

Man this is kinda starting to sound like... terrorism?
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AcFan87 5 days ago#48
Fishy posted...
AcFan87 posted...
I remember when they burned businesses to the ground, overturned cars, assaulted people, etc.

Conducted organized hits on law enforcement, shoot up churches, tortured people...

Man this is kinda starting to sound like... terrorism?

Shhhh! The liberals are watching, we can't let facts contradict their narrative!
Ammonitida 5 days ago#49
Fishy posted...
AcFan87 posted...
I remember when they burned businesses to the ground, overturned cars, assaulted people, etc.

Conducted organized hits on law enforcement, shoot up churches, tortured people...

Man this is kinda starting to sound like... terrorism?


A motive in the Church shooting has not been established. The alleged note found in his car was sourced to an anonymous official who didn't seem too sure of what it meant. I'm not going to put much stock in that. Further, his social media accounts didn't have much in the way of racist hate. Just an ironic video that he shared about white terrorists being more common than Muslim terrorists in the US. Nearly the entire leftwing believes that, and they're right.

And who tortured people? You're not talking about that taped kidnapping? Yes, they were racist, but I've haven't seen any evidence that they were connected to any "black identity" movement like the Baton Rouge shooter.
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Fishy 5 days ago#50
Ammonitida posted...
A motive in the Church shooting has not been established. The alleged note found in his car was sourced to an anonymous official who didn't seem too sure of what it meant. I'm not going to put much stock in that. Further, his social media accounts didn't have much in the way of racist hate. Just an ironic video that he shared about white terrorists being more common than Muslim terrorists in the US. Nearly the entire leftwing believes that, and they're right.

And who tortured people?

Yes it must have been a very vague note to reference the Charleston incidents and white supremacy but not be clear on his stance on said topics after shooting up a white church.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/jan/04/facebook-live-stream-video-man-attacked-chicago-trump

Oh I see they need to wave a specific flag of an organization before being referred to as what they are?
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    Ammonitida 5 days ago#51
    Fishy posted...
    Ammonitida posted...
    A motive in the Church shooting has not been established. The alleged note found in his car was sourced to an anonymous official who didn't seem too sure of what it meant. I'm not going to put much stock in that. Further, his social media accounts didn't have much in the way of racist hate. Just an ironic video that he shared about white terrorists being more common than Muslim terrorists in the US. Nearly the entire leftwing believes that, and they're right.

    And who tortured people?

    Yes it must have been a very vague note to reference the Charleston incidents and white supremacy but not be clear on his stance on said topics after shooting up a white church.

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/jan/04/facebook-live-stream-video-man-attacked-chicago-trump


    He was also a former member of the church and he frequently spoke about wanting to become a preacher. His facebook was filled with bible thumping posts. This does not point to a racial motive. We need more than just an anonymous claim that a vague note was found in his car in order to conclude that his shooting was race-motivated.
    Ammonitida 5 days ago#52
    Oh I see they need to wave a specific flag of an organization before being referred to as what they are?


    The FBI report in question was not focused on ordinary hate crimes, but those carried out by people associated with known black identity movements, like Moorish Sovereign citizens and Black Hebrews.
    cjsdowg 5 days ago#53
    Ammonitida posted...
    cjsdowg posted...
    Wow a made up term to complain about black people. Who would have guess that coming from this admin.


    https://www.rawstory.com/2016/07/inside-the-moorish-sovereign-citizen-movement-that-motivated-the-baton-rouge-cop-killer/

    And the study began last year, under Obama.


    If they were just classing Moorish ‘sovereign citizen as one. That would be other story. but this admin is going after black Identity. A term that came up with themselves.
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    Ammonitida 5 days ago#54
    cjsdowg posted...
    Ammonitida posted...
    cjsdowg posted...
    Wow a made up term to complain about black people. Who would have guess that coming from this admin.


    https://www.rawstory.com/2016/07/inside-the-moorish-sovereign-citizen-movement-that-motivated-the-baton-rouge-cop-killer/

    And the study began last year, under Obama.


    If they were just classing Moorish ‘sovereign citizen as one. That would be other story. but this admin is going after black Identity. A term that came up with themselves.


    It's just an umbrella term for a collection of black extremist movements, much like WIE refers to Neo-Nazis and White Nationalists.
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    cjsdowg 5 days ago#55
    Ammonitida posted...

    It's just an umbrella term for a collection of black extremist movements, much like WIE refers to Neo-Nazis and White Nationalists.


    These are words that mean something . This black Identity shit is made up.
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    Ammonitida 5 days ago#56
    cjsdowg posted...
    Ammonitida posted...

    It's just an umbrella term for a collection of black extremist movements, much like WIE refers to Neo-Nazis and White Nationalists.


    These are words that mean something . This black Identity shit is made up.


    Black Hebrews are not made up, and one of their adherents shot at a police station in Indianapolis and murdered an elderly white man last year.
    cjsdowg 5 days ago#57
    Ammonitida posted...

    Black Hebrews are not made up, and one of their adherents shot at a police station in Indianapolis and murdered an elderly white man last year.



    Michael German, a former FBI agent and now Brennan Center fellow, told the outlet: “Basically, it’s black people who scare them.”

    A former senior counterterrorism and intelligence official from the Department of Homeland Security reviewed the report for the news outlet and said BIE “is a new umbrella designation that has no basis...There are civil rights and privacy issues all over this.”


    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/fbi-black-identity-extremism-threat-white-supremacists-black-lives-matter-a7988486.html
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    Delirious_Beard  attack on sight5 days ago#58
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    Samurontai 5 days ago#60
    YourDrunkFather posted...
    Lol @ the salt in this topic. Leftys really showing their true colours itt


    You're the only one who seems salty tbh
    s0nicfan 5 days ago#61
    So what's the issue here? Black Supremacists have been a thing since Malcolm X, and this keeps the FBI from having to put BLM as a whole on a watchlist. Are people this angry because they made up a new umbrella term, or are we supposed to pretend that Black Supremacists don't exist?
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    AcFan87 5 days ago#62
    YourDrunkFather posted...
    Lol @ the salt in this topic. Leftys really showing their true colours itt

    They did that last November
    Samurontai posted...
    YourDrunkFather posted...
    Lol @ the salt in this topic. Leftys really showing their true colours itt


    You're the only one who seems salty tbh


    Ya ok lol
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    Ammonitida 5 days ago#64
    cjsdowg posted...
    Ammonitida posted...

    Black Hebrews are not made up, and one of their adherents shot at a police station in Indianapolis and murdered an elderly white man last year.



    Michael German, a former FBI agent and now Brennan Center fellow, told the outlet: “Basically, it’s black people who scare them.”

    A former senior counterterrorism and intelligence official from the Department of Homeland Security reviewed the report for the news outlet and said BIE “is a new umbrella designation that has no basis...There are civil rights and privacy issues all over this.”


    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/fbi-black-identity-extremism-threat-white-supremacists-black-lives-matter-a7988486.html


    Wow, a leftwing rag found a few ignorant leftists who are upset that the FBI dared to shed light on BIE movements whose rhetoric partly drove several madmen to murder 9 people last year.
    Ammonitida 5 days ago#65
    s0nicfan posted...
    So what's the issue here? Black Supremacists have been a thing since Malcolm X, and this keeps the FBI from having to put BLM as a whole on a watchlist. Are people this angry because they made up a new umbrella term, or are we supposed to pretend that Black Supremacists don't exist?


    Type the term in google. This FBI report has triggered the whole leftwing. It's so sad. I guess we're supposed to pretend that these movements don't exist and that the 9 murders attributed to their adherents last year never happened. Hell, The Root entertained that with this gem on Micah Johnson.

    http://www.theroot.com/micah-xavier-johnson-5-questions-about-the-alleged-dal-1790855996

    These questions may seem to veer into conspiracy-theory territory, but black people in America have been gaslighted for so long that we rightfully require more than the word of police officers to believe any story, especially one full of holes and used to silence a movement, vilify a cause and destroy black people's determination to be free of an oppressive, carceral state.

    Does this mean that Johnson was innocent? Absolutely not. It does mean, however, that we don't know that he was guilty. It does mean that, as Toni Morrison taught us, "The function, the very serious function of racism, is distraction. It keeps you from doing your work. It keeps you explaining, over and over again, your reason for being."
    cjsdowg 5 days ago#66
    Ammonitida posted...

    Wow, a leftwing rag found a few ignorant leftists who are upset that the FBI dared to shed light on BIE movements whose rhetoric partly drove several madmen to murder 9 people last year.


    Michael German, a former FBI agent and senior counterterrorism and intelligence official from the Department of Homeland Security

    So you just going to discount what they say just like that lol.
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    s0nicfan 5 days ago#67
    cjsdowg posted...
    Ammonitida posted...

    Wow, a leftwing rag found a few ignorant leftists who are upset that the FBI dared to shed light on BIE movements whose rhetoric partly drove several madmen to murder 9 people last year.


    Michael German, a former FBI agent and senior counterterrorism and intelligence official from the Department of Homeland Security

    So you just going to discount what they say just like that lol.


    So what's the issue here? Black Supremacists have been a thing since Malcolm X, and this keeps the FBI from having to put BLM as a whole on a watchlist. Are people this angry because they made up a new umbrella term, or are we supposed to pretend that Black Supremacists don't exist?
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    DezCaughtIt 5 days ago#69
    Fishy posted...
    A white guy shoots up a crowd with no clear reason at all and it's white supremacy.

    A black man shoots up a church in retaliation for white crimes and leaves a note specifically saying so and it's just a mystery why he would ever do it.

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    DreadedWave 5 days ago#70
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    Ammonitida 5 days ago#71
    cjsdowg posted...
    Ammonitida posted...

    Wow, a leftwing rag found a few ignorant leftists who are upset that the FBI dared to shed light on BIE movements whose rhetoric partly drove several madmen to murder 9 people last year.


    Michael German, a former FBI agent and senior counterterrorism and intelligence official from the Department of Homeland Security

    So you just going to discount what they say just like that lol.


    Appealing to authority is noted. The facts are what matters here, and BIE do exist and their adherents murdered 9 people and injured more in 2016 in at least 6 separate attacks
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    cjsdowg 5 days ago#72
    Ammonitida posted...

    Appealing to authority is noted. The facts are what matters here, and BIE do exist and their adherents murdered 9 people and injured more in 2016 in at least 6 separate attacks
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    You literally used an ad hominem to attack them. Pointing out their qualifying to country the ad hominem is not applying to authority. It is pointing that are more then what you claimed they were.
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    CarlGrimes posted...
    DreadedWave posted...
    Remember that time a "Black Identity Extremist" ran over some protesters?

    Me neither.

    I remember this though.
    http://tinyurl.com/ju6ejn4


    I also remember the guy who shot up the church in Charleston, the guy who shot up the movie theater, the kids who shot up the school in Colorado, the guy who shot up a school filled with children, the guy who bombed a building in Oklahoma, and have read many stories about people who lynched others simply for their skin color while police and government officials turned away.
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    FBI only cares because it's a potential danger to cops. Forget the people though. Since our history white terrorism has been the biggest terrorist threat.
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    Mr_Biscuit 5 days ago#75
    Apologies if this has been answered, but do they have white extremists listed as well?

    If so, I’ve got no problem with this. If not, then it’s pretty sketchy.
    Ammonitida 5 days ago#76
    cjsdowg posted...
    Ammonitida posted...

    Appealing to authority is noted. The facts are what matters here, and BIE do exist and their adherents murdered 9 people and injured more in 2016 in at least 6 separate attacks
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    You literally used an ad hominem to attack them. Pointing out their qualifying to country the ad hominem is not applying to authority. It is pointing that are more then what you claimed they were.


    I called them ignorant because they chose to ignore the facts as detailed in the FBI report and whine about this "fearing black people" nonsense. Their credentials do not trump the facts which establish that BIE exist and that they murdered 9 people in 2016.
    Ammonitida 5 days ago#77
    Mr_Biscuit posted...
    Apologies if this has been answered, but do they have white extremists listed as well?

    If so, I’ve got no problem with this. If not, then it’s pretty sketchy.


    Not in this particular report, but the FBI has plenty of other reports on white supremacist movements. What's that SJW saying? "Not everything is about you".
    cjsdowg 5 days ago#78
    Ammonitida posted...

    I called them ignorant because they chose to ignore the facts as detailed in the FBI report and whine about this "fearing black people" nonsense. Their credentials do not trump the facts which establish that BIE exist and that they murdered 9 people in 2016.


    The fact is this term is bull shit. This is the same type of reasoning that they used to the track Civil Right leaders .
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    Ammonitida 5 days ago#79
    cjsdowg posted...
    Ammonitida posted...

    I called them ignorant because they chose to ignore the facts as detailed in the FBI report and whine about this "fearing black people" nonsense. Their credentials do not trump the facts which establish that BIE exist and that they murdered 9 people in 2016.


    The fact is this term is bull shit. This is the same type of reasoning that they used to the track Civil Right leaders .


    It's sad that people think that "Moorish Sovereign Citizens" is a civil rights movement and not an extremist hate movement.
    cjsdowg 5 days ago#80
    Ammonitida posted...

    It's sad that people think that "Moorish Sovereign Citizens" is a civil rights movement and not an extremist hate movement.


    When did I say such a thing?
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    CarlGrimes 5 days ago#81
    Sportsaholic posted...
    the guy who shot up the movie theater, the kids who shot up the school in Colorado, the guy who shot up a school filled with children, the guy who bombed a building in Oklahoma,

    So those were all because of white supremacy?
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    CarlGrimes posted...
    Sportsaholic posted...
    the guy who shot up the movie theater, the kids who shot up the school in Colorado, the guy who shot up a school filled with children, the guy who bombed a building in Oklahoma,

    So those were all because of white supremacy?


    Nah, the point I was making is that white males are the most dangerous threat for terrorism in the US.
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    The Admiral 5 days ago#86
    Sportsaholic posted...
    CarlGrimes posted...
    Sportsaholic posted...
    the guy who shot up the movie theater, the kids who shot up the school in Colorado, the guy who shot up a school filled with children, the guy who bombed a building in Oklahoma,

    So those were all because of white supremacy?


    Nah, the point I was making is that white males are the most dangerous threat for terrorism in the US.


    Your point is wrong no matter how you choose to make it. 

    If we define terrorism based on attacks that are ideologically driven (proper definition), the greatest threat and highest death toll this century is Islamic terrorism.

    If we define terrorism as large-scale, random acts of violence (like the Vegas shooter), the greatest threat is by FAR black gang violence.

    If we want to compare the rates of mass shootings by race, white people are less likely per capita to commit one of these atrocities than blacks.

    Pretty much any way you slice it, your claims that whites are the greatest threat is unsupportable. I'm very sorry that reality conflicts with your desired narrative.
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    CrimsonRage 5 days ago#87
    The Admiral posted...
    If we define terrorism as large-scale, random acts of violence (like the Vegas shooter), the greatest threat is by FAR black gang violence.


    Black gang violence tends to mostly affect other black gangs. They aren't shooting up shopping malls or theatres or concerts etc. They're killing each other in turf wars and drive-bys.

    Black gangs are dangerous to you if you're in another black gang.

    Statistically, you're far more likely to be shot by a white person than a black gang member.
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    Fishy 5 days ago#88
    CrimsonRage posted...
    Statistically, you're far more likely to be shot by a white person than a black gang member.

    Unless you're black right?
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    The Admiral 5 days ago#89
    CrimsonRage posted...
    The Admiral posted...
    If we define terrorism as large-scale, random acts of violence (like the Vegas shooter), the greatest threat is by FAR black gang violence.


    Black gang violence tends to mostly affect other black gangs. They aren't shooting up shopping malls or theatres or concerts etc. They're killing each other in turf wars and drive-bys.

    Black gangs are dangerous to you if you're in another black gang.

    Statistically, you're far more likely to be shot by a white person than a black gang member.


    Statistically, black people commit over half the murders (and an even greater number of the shooting murders) in the U.S. despite being 13% of the population. There is absolutely no statistic that supports your claim that any group comes close to presenting as great of a risk of shooting you.
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    CrimsonRage 5 days ago#90
    Fishy posted...
    CrimsonRage posted...
    Statistically, you're far more likely to be shot by a white person than a black gang member.

    Unless you're black right?


    I just said a black gang member is more likely to be shot by another black gang member.

    Unless I'm remembering incorrectly, Admiral is not a black gang member.

    So him fearing blacks more when he is more likely to be killed by a white gunman is irrational.
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    Are their good people on both sides?


    lol and XD at using "their" instead of "there"
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    CrimsonRage 5 days ago#92
    The Admiral posted...
    CrimsonRage posted...
    The Admiral posted...
    If we define terrorism as large-scale, random acts of violence (like the Vegas shooter), the greatest threat is by FAR black gang violence.


    Black gang violence tends to mostly affect other black gangs. They aren't shooting up shopping malls or theatres or concerts etc. They're killing each other in turf wars and drive-bys.

    Black gangs are dangerous to you if you're in another black gang.

    Statistically, you're far more likely to be shot by a white person than a black gang member.


    Statistically, black people commit over half the murders (and an even greater number of the shooting murders) in the U.S. despite being 13% of the population. There is absolutely no statistic that supports your claim that any group comes close to presenting as great of a risk of shooting you.


    Those murders are mostly against other black people tho.
    The Admiral posted...
    CrimsonRage posted...
    The Admiral posted...
    If we define terrorism as large-scale, random acts of violence (like the Vegas shooter), the greatest threat is by FAR black gang violence.


    Black gang violence tends to mostly affect other black gangs. They aren't shooting up shopping malls or theatres or concerts etc. They're killing each other in turf wars and drive-bys.

    Black gangs are dangerous to you if you're in another black gang.

    Statistically, you're far more likely to be shot by a white person than a black gang member.


    Statistically, black people commit over half the murders (and an even greater number of the shooting murders) in the U.S. despite being 13% of the population. There is absolutely no statistic that supports your claim that any group comes close to presenting as great of a risk of shooting you.


    Wow. This is so fucking ignorant.
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    The Admiral 5 days ago#94
    CrimsonRage posted...
    Fishy posted...
    CrimsonRage posted...
    Statistically, you're far more likely to be shot by a white person than a black gang member.

    Unless you're black right?


    I just said a black gang member is more likely to be shot by another black gang member.

    Unless I'm remembering incorrectly, Admiral is not a black gang member.

    So him fearing blacks more when he is more likely to be killed by a white gunman is irrational.


    Are you trying to tailor your point to me personally now? Okay, I'll play along.

    I live in New York City. According to the NYPD, 97% of shootings are committed by blacks or Hispanics:

    http://goo.gl/hBTc2c

    So, you're absolutely, 100%, embarrassingly wrong about where the shooting threat is.
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    CrimsonRage 5 days ago#95
    The Admiral posted...
    CrimsonRage posted...
    Fishy posted...
    CrimsonRage posted...
    Statistically, you're far more likely to be shot by a white person than a black gang member.

    Unless you're black right?


    I just said a black gang member is more likely to be shot by another black gang member.

    Unless I'm remembering incorrectly, Admiral is not a black gang member.

    So him fearing blacks more when he is more likely to be killed by a white gunman is irrational.


    Are you trying to tailor your point to me personally now? Okay, I'll play along.

    I live in New York City. According to the NYPD, 97% of shootings are committed by blacks or Hispanics:

    http://goo.gl/hBTc2c

    So, you're absolutely, 100%, embarrassingly wrong about where the shooting threat is.


    And your own article says 96% of those victims are black or Hispanic.

    I mean, if you commute to work through a black or Hispanic neighbourhood, then yeah, maybe your chances of death by minority gunman goes up a bit higher, but in general, a white shooter is still your biggest threat.
    The Admiral 5 days ago#96
    CrimsonRage posted...
    I mean, if you commute to work through a black or Hispanic neighbourhood, then yeah, maybe your chances of death by minority gunman goes up a bit higher, but in general, a white shooter is still your biggest threat.


    > 97% of NYC shootings are committed by minorities
    > "You're more likely to be shot by a white person"

    #ThingsLiberalsSay
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    Fishy 5 days ago#98
    The Admiral posted...


    > 97% of NYC shootings are committed by minorities
    > "You're more likely to be shot by a white person"

    #ThingsLiberalsSay

    In the very narrow definition of mass shooting they've created they're not wrong. You see when a minority shoots up a bunch of other minorities it's gang violence but not counted as a mass shooting.
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    The Admiral 5 days ago#99
    ImTheMacheteGuy posted...
    Admiral embarrassing himself more than I've ever seen before.


    I'm sure this genius can easily refute my points with statistics or a well-reasoned argument rather than just crying like a child. I'll wait.
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    The Admiral posted...
    CrimsonRage posted...
    I mean, if you commute to work through a black or Hispanic neighbourhood, then yeah, maybe your chances of death by minority gunman goes up a bit higher, but in general, a white shooter is still your biggest threat.


    > 97% of NYC shootings are committed by minorities
    > "You're more likely to be shot by a white person"

    #ThingsLiberalsSay


    For someone who criticises others for reading comprehension troubles, you sure seem to be struggling here.

    Fishy posted...
    In the very narrow definition of mass shooting they've created they're not wrong. You see when a minority shoots up a bunch of other minorities it's gang violence but not counted as a mass shooting.


    This is closest to what I'm actually saying. And it's considered gang violence instead of a mass shooting due to different motives at play (and the fact that they are in, you know, a gang). A lone black/Hispanic person that shoots up a place isn't going to be called gang violence if they weren't in a gang and had motives related to being in a gang.
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      The Admiral posted...
      ImTheMacheteGuy posted...
      Admiral embarrassing himself more than I've ever seen before.


      I'm sure this genius can easily refute my points with statistics or a well-reasoned argument rather than just crying like a child. I'll wait.


      You're gonna wait a long time, and the fact that you can't tell the difference between laughing and crying is making me laugh even harder. What the fuck world do you live in where there "rules" for how to argue and everyone is obligated to comply with them. Your argument was already refuted by the statistic another user already posted that you completely ignored. I'm not going to argue with you on your level. It's restrictive and uniform and you do it that way because you want to control the narrative. It really is embarrassing. Demanding statistics while ignoring statistics from your own article and subjectively defining "well-reasoned" under a false pretext of objectivity. Are you some kind of control freak?
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      Look the the interracial crime statistics, then go to ****


      Go to what now?
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      ImTheMacheteGuy posted...
      The Admiral posted...
      ImTheMacheteGuy posted...
      Admiral embarrassing himself more than I've ever seen before.


      I'm sure this genius can easily refute my points with statistics or a well-reasoned argument rather than just crying like a child. I'll wait.


      You're gonna wait a long time, and the fact that you can't tell the difference between laughing and crying is making me laugh even harder. What the fuck world do you live in where there "rules" for how to argue and everyone is obligated to comply with them. Your argument was already refuted by the statistic another user already posted that you completely ignored. I'm not going to argue with you on your level. It's restrictive and uniform and you do it that way because you want to control the narrative. It really is embarrassing. Demanding statistics while ignoring statistics from your own article and subjectively defining "well-reasoned" under a false pretext of objectivity. Are you some kind of control freak?


      About the response I expected. This is what happens when you're outraged but not smart enough to refute points you don't like with actual arguments. Interesting to hear you call someone else "ignorant" when you're this limited.
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      myzz7 5 days ago#105
      Vertania posted...
      The victim was bound, gagged, beaten, taunted, had part of his scalp removed with a knife, and was forced to kiss the floor and drink from a toilet bowl. The attackers are heard shouting "Fuck Trump" and "Fuck white people" in the video.

      sickening
      The Admiral posted...
      ImTheMacheteGuy posted...
      The Admiral posted...
      ImTheMacheteGuy posted...
      Admiral embarrassing himself more than I've ever seen before.


      I'm sure this genius can easily refute my points with statistics or a well-reasoned argument rather than just crying like a child. I'll wait.


      You're gonna wait a long time, and the fact that you can't tell the difference between laughing and crying is making me laugh even harder. What the fuck world do you live in where there "rules" for how to argue and everyone is obligated to comply with them. Your argument was already refuted by the statistic another user already posted that you completely ignored. I'm not going to argue with you on your level. It's restrictive and uniform and you do it that way because you want to control the narrative. It really is embarrassing. Demanding statistics while ignoring statistics from your own article and subjectively defining "well-reasoned" under a false pretext of objectivity. Are you some kind of control freak?


      About the response I expected. This is what happens when you're outraged but not smart enough to refute points you don't like with actual arguments. Interesting to hear you call someone else "ignorant" when you're this limited.


      He says while still ignoring the statistic from his own article that provides enlightening insight into his own statistic. 

      "You are limited because you refuse to argue by my rules"

      Again I ask, what world do you live in?
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      ImTheMacheteGuy posted...
      He says while still ignoring the statistic from his own article that provides enlightening insight into his own statistic.


      What statistic is that that supports the claim that white people are more likely to be the shooter? Again, I'll wait.
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      The Admiral posted...
      ImTheMacheteGuy posted...
      He says while still ignoring the statistic from his own article that provides enlightening insight into his own statistic.


      What statistic is that that supports the claim that white people are more likely to be the shooter? Again, I'll wait.


      XD what? I didn't make that claim, and it's already been thoroughly addressed that your statistics are in regard to gang violence, of which perpetrators and victims alike are predominantly minorities. What you're asking is not about that.
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      don't separate Black people from Black gangs, but separate White people from White terrorism?

      wtf is this double standard shit? lol
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      RickyTheBAWSE posted...
      don't separate Black people from Black gangs, but separate White people from White terrorism?

      wtf is this double standard shit? lol


      Who are you responding to? Black people are not being lumped in with gangs if they're not actually in those gangs. 

      Also, you still haven't even established what "white terrorism" is. What is the common ideology white people share that is motivating attacks?
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      The Admiral posted...
      RickyTheBAWSE posted...
      don't separate Black people from Black gangs, but separate White people from White terrorism? 

      wtf is this double standard shit? lol


      Who are you responding to? Black people are not being lumped in with gangs if they're not actually in those gangs. 

      Also, you still haven't even established what "white terrorism" is. What is the common ideology white people shard that is motivating attacks?


      you've made strong implications of the opposite about Black people. pretty sloppy.

      the KKK are White terrorist. those involved in the bombing of Black Wall Street were White terrorist. White people engaging in acts of mass racially motivated violence are White terrorist.

      if it's not racially motivated, they're just terrorist. like the unibomber.
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      ImTheMacheteGuy posted...
      KillerKhan420 posted...
      Look the the interracial crime statistics, then go to ****


      Go to what now?

      To shit.
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