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September 14, 2017

Switzerland to have nationwide burqa ban referendum

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Do you support banning the Burka? - Results (71 votes)
Yes and I am not Muslim
71.83%
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Yes and I am Muslim.
1.41%
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I dont know.
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No and I am not Muslim.
19.72%
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No and I am Muslim.
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The Swiss may get the chance to vote on the introduction of a nationwide ban on the burqa after campaigners from the so-called Egerkingen committee succeeded in gathering the required number of signatures to push the issue to a referendum.

In March 2016 the committee launched a popular initiative to ban the burqa and other full-face coverings and had until this month to gather the 100,000 signatures required under the Swiss system of direct democracy to push it to a public vote.

On Wednesday Swiss People’s Party (SVP) MP Walter Wobmann, a leading member of the committee and a long-time advocate of a burqa ban, announced they had succeeded two days before the deadline.

Just over a week ago the campaign only had 82,000 signatures, according to the website of the committee, which launched a last-ditch appeal for more signatures. Speaking to the Tribune de Genève on Wednesday, Wobmann conceded that it was a close-run thing.

“It was tight. We are a small committee... we were lacking people to help us gather the signatures,” he told the paper.

According to the Luzerner Zeitung the campaign was aided by a 76-year-old man from Willisau in the canton of Lucerne who managed to gather 9,700 signatures all by himself. The committee’s eventual success means the initiative can now be lodged with the Swiss federal government. If all is found to be in order, it will go to a public vote.

The issue has been on the political table in Switzerland since the canton of Ticino voted in favour of a ban in a cantonal vote in 2013. The ban – which forbids the wearing of the Islamic face veil (niqab), full-length burqa and other full face coverings in public places – came into force in July 2016, with those who flout it liable for fines of up to 10,000 francs.

But since then only a few fines have been issued, including one for a Swiss woman who flouted the ban in deliberate protest. Enthusiasm for a ban elsewhere in the country has been lukewarm.

In May this year the canton of Glarus voted against imposing a burqa ban. And in March the Swiss senate quashed a draft bill on the subject – also lodged by Wobmann – after it was narrowly approved by the lower house.

In rejecting it, senators said there were so few people wearing burqas in Switzerland that there was no need to legislate for a problem that does not exist.

Speaking to the Tribune on Wednesday, Wobmann, who led the successful campaign against the building of minarets in Switzerland and in 2015 called for certain Muslim refugees to be banned from entering the country, said: “Even if there are only a few cases today, there will be more in the future, that’s certain. It’s better to act too early than too late. We must send a strong signal against this symbol of oppression and radicalism.”

If the ban does make it to a public vote, it may be successful. A 2016 survey found that 70 percent of people were in favour of a nationwide ban.


Full Article: https://www.thelocal.ch/20170913/switzerland-moves-step-closer-to-voting-on-nationwide-burqa-ban

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Talk about a heady subject.

Apologies about the first topic's title.
^ Hey now that's completely unfair.
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eston 1 day ago#2
Considering how strict Switzerland is about integration, I'm surprised they hadn't already done this
Santorin 1 day ago#3
burkas are oppressive. 

Culture my ass. It's an oppressive culture against women.
I have but one lamp by which my feet are guided; and that is the lamp of experience. Patrick Henry
gunplagirl 1 day ago#4
Santorin posted...
burkas are oppressive. 

Culture my ass. It's an oppressive culture against women.

Forcing women to dress how you want (ie not in their chosen garb) is oppressive. Allowing them to wear the garb they choose is empowering.
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Santorin 1 day ago#5
gunplagirl posted...
Santorin posted...
burkas are oppressive. 

Culture my ass. It's an oppressive culture against women.

Forcing women to dress how you want (ie not in their chosen garb) is oppressive. Allowing them to wear the garb they choose is empowering.


Imagine beveling these women aren't controlled by the men in their culture.
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gunplagirl 1 day ago#6
Santorin posted...
gunplagirl posted...
Santorin posted...
burkas are oppressive. 

Culture my ass. It's an oppressive culture against women.

Forcing women to dress how you want (ie not in their chosen garb) is oppressive. Allowing them to wear the garb they choose is empowering.


Imagine beveling these women aren't controlled by the men in their culture.


Oh yes the brave western man here to save the oppressed women from another culture.

Let me guess, you're the type who always asks what a girl was wearing when she gets raped?
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Fam_Fam 1 day ago#7
i think its silly to help people have rights by restricting them. 

let people wear what they choose to, if its not harming anyone else. If they aren't choosing to do so, or are being coerced, that's a different issue that should be addressed, but preventing women from wearing something doesn't help with that underlying issue, it just prevents those who want to wear it on their own volition from practicing their religion as they see fit.
Considering the party pushing this, you're hilarious if you think it's actually about women's rights and not just attacking Islam lol
UnfairRepresent 1 day ago#9
RebelElite791 posted...
Considering the party pushing this, you're hilarious if you think it's actually about women's rights and not just attacking Islam lol

Says man who has never been to Switzerland
^ Hey now that's completely unfair.
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Fam_Fam 1 day ago#10
UnfairRepresent posted...
RebelElite791 posted...
Considering the party pushing this, you're hilarious if you think it's actually about women's rights and not just attacking Islam lol

Says man who has never been to Switzerland


how would you know that?
UnfairRepresent posted...
RebelElite791 posted...
Considering the party pushing this, you're hilarious if you think it's actually about women's rights and not just attacking Islam lol

Says man who has never been to Switzerland

Says man who has never left the country. But you don't need to have been to Switzerland to know about the SVP.
eston posted...
Considering how strict Switzerland is about integration,


aka racist
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UnfairRepresent posted...
RebelElite791 posted...
Considering the party pushing this, you're hilarious if you think it's actually about women's rights and not just attacking Islam lol

Says man who has never been to Switzerland

You need to be in the country to know about its politics?
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I wish it luck, and that the ban is overwhelmingly voted in.

Burkas are bulls***
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>Pretend to be in favor of free speech and the 1st Amendment
>Support legal dress codes

I shiggydiggy what?
Colorahdo 1 day ago#16
I don't like how European countries pick and choose what people can say or wear. It's like they've learned nothing from 100+ years of conflict and war. 

The US has it right. Just let people say and think whatever they want, however stupid or inflammatory
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Colorahdo posted...
Just let people say and think whatever they want, however stupid or inflammatory


Except the US isn't doing that
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Colorahdo 1 day ago#18
frozenshock posted...
Colorahdo posted...
Just let people say and think whatever they want, however stupid or inflammatory


Except the US isn't doing that


What is against the law in the US to wear or say?
But those enemies of mine who did not want me to be king over them - bring them here and kill them in front of me ~Jesus Christ
Santorin 1 day ago#19
Colorahdo posted...
frozenshock posted...
Colorahdo posted...
Just let people say and think whatever they want, however stupid or inflammatory


Except the US isn't doing that


What is against the law in the US to wear or say?


Are you even remotely aware of the banning of confederate flag and taking down of statues?
I have but one lamp by which my feet are guided; and that is the lamp of experience. Patrick Henry
Colorahdo 1 day ago#20
Santorin posted...
Colorahdo posted...
frozenshock posted...
Colorahdo posted...
Just let people say and think whatever they want, however stupid or inflammatory


Except the US isn't doing that


What is against the law in the US to wear or say?


Are you even remotely aware of the banning of confederate flag and taking down of statues?


It is 100% legal to fly the confederate flag on your car, on your property, and on your clothes
But those enemies of mine who did not want me to be king over them - bring them here and kill them in front of me ~Jesus Christ
Just more proof that socialism breeds authoritarianism.
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Malcolm_Matar posted...
>Pretend to be in favor of free speech and the 1st Amendment
>Support legal dress codes

I shiggydiggy what?

Pretty much.
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Santorin posted...
Colorahdo posted...
frozenshock posted...
Colorahdo posted...
Just let people say and think whatever they want, however stupid or inflammatory


Except the US isn't doing that


What is against the law in the US to wear or say?


Are you even remotely aware of the banning of confederate flag and taking down of statues?

Lmfao this guy is being serious right now lol. The ban doesn't apply to private citizens genius.
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ThyCorndog 1 day ago#24
on one hand I hate the burqa (headscarves are ok). on the other hand just cause I don't like something doesn't mean it should be illegal
kinetika_ 1 day ago#25
Trigg3rH4ppy posted...
Santorin posted...
Colorahdo posted...
frozenshock posted...
Colorahdo posted...
Just let people say and think whatever they want, however stupid or inflammatory


Except the US isn't doing that


What is against the law in the US to wear or say?


Are you even remotely aware of the banning of confederate flag and taking down of statues?

Lmfao this guy is being serious right now lol. The ban doesn't apply to private citizens genius.


I hope it does soon because it's offensive to see that flag flown over/higher than the actual USA flag, and I see that done a lot here in Texas. The people that do that should also be exported along side illegal immigrants because they're not Americans either.
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Hell yes, it is a problematic symbol of oppression and it needs to go.
gunplagirl 1 day ago#27
darkjedilink posted...
Just more proof that socialism breeds authoritarianism.

It's the right leaning party (which would equate to US democrats) that favors this stuff. And guess what's even further right of that? (US right wing)
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Muslim women are taught that they need to wear the burka to cover themselves up or they will be and deserve to be raped.
Santorin 1 day ago#29
People that defend the burka are just unfortunately ignorant for lack of better words.
I have but one lamp by which my feet are guided; and that is the lamp of experience. Patrick Henry
Santorin posted...
People that defend the burka are just unfortunately ignorant for lack of better words.


Indeed. And also wholly ignorant of women in places like Iran - who are increasingly sick of being forced to wear any coverings, period.
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FLUFFYGERM 1 day ago#31
fair next
Colorahdo 1 day ago#32
Santorin posted...
People that defend the burka are just unfortunately ignorant for lack of better words.


I don't defend the burqa, I defend people's right to do wear and say whatever they want
But those enemies of mine who did not want me to be king over them - bring them here and kill them in front of me ~Jesus Christ
UnfairRepresent 1 day ago#33
Colorahdo posted...


I don't defend the burqa, I defend people's right to do wear and say whatever they want

erm
^ Hey now that's completely unfair.
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gunplagirl posted...
darkjedilink posted...
Just more proof that socialism breeds authoritarianism.

It's the right leaning party (which would equate to US democrats) that favors this stuff. And guess what's even further right of that? (US right wing)

The SVP are a far-right populist anti-immigrant party. They are not comparable to US democrats LMAO

But also, Switzerland is socialist? Lol
ThyCorndog 1 day ago#35
gunplagirl posted...
darkjedilink posted...
Just more proof that socialism breeds authoritarianism.

It's the right leaning party (which would equate to US democrats) that favors this stuff. And guess what's even further right of that? (US right wing)

nah centrists in europe = democrats. not right wingers. european parties are definitely tilted more to the left on average than the ones here, but the nationalist ones are still full on right wingers
This is a good thing.
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ThyCorndog posted...
gunplagirl posted...
darkjedilink posted...
Just more proof that socialism breeds authoritarianism.

It's the right leaning party (which would equate to US democrats) that favors this stuff. And guess what's even further right of that? (US right wing)

nah centrists in europe = democrats. not right wingers. european parties are definitely tilted more to the left on average than the ones here, but the nationalist ones are still full on right wingers

I don't think they're centrists, or even close to it.
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If other full face coverings are prohibited then it stands that burqas should also be banned.
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BootyGif 1 day ago#39
C_Pain 1 day ago#40
>be against something which represents dictating what other free humans can do
>support law preventing freedom
NINExATExSEVEN 23 hours ago#41
C_Pain posted...
>be against something which represents dictating what other free humans can do
>support law preventing freedom


See that sounds reasonable if you think that ALL women who wear a Burka are wearing it because it was THEIR choice.

The burka is forced on women in Islamic cultures. They have no choice to wear it. So when you have women in Muslim communities wearing the Burka, how do you know that they're not being forced too?

This ban is for the greater good. Some people will be mad but the majority of women who are being forced to wear it will be liberated.

You westerners have no stake in this. Me being part middle eastern, I want this ban to burkas so that the women of my people can feel free.
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weapon_d00d816 posted...
If other full face coverings are prohibited then it stands that burqas should also be banned.

This is the correct answer.
ThyCorndog 23 hours ago#43
faizan_faizan posted...
ThyCorndog posted...
gunplagirl posted...
darkjedilink posted...
Just more proof that socialism breeds authoritarianism.

It's the right leaning party (which would equate to US democrats) that favors this stuff. And guess what's even further right of that? (US right wing)

nah centrists in europe = democrats. not right wingers. european parties are definitely tilted more to the left on average than the ones here, but the nationalist ones are still full on right wingers

I don't think they're centrists, or even close to it.

take a look at centrist parties in europe and compare their platforms to the democratic party in the US
GiftedACIII 19 hours ago#44
hmm
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AnimalCross11 19 hours ago#45
I grew up for the first 15 years of my life in a Muslim majority (60 Muslim 40 Christian) country, and luckily my country is one of the most liberal middle Eastern countries - the hijab and burqa are not common and are actually the exception rather than the norm in most parts of the country. 

However it's also pretty normal when you see hijabs and burqas, although most often it's hijabs. Even burqa was pretty rare where I lived. But you do seem them almost daily.

With that being said, I'm not very decided on this issue. Personally I'm an atheist so I have no ideological bias in this. Purely a social/political view.

On one hand, I don't like burqas, for the same reason many Europeans also don't - its just weird and feels outdated by like centuries. Even growing up among it even my dad would make fun of them and call them ninjas... So I can see why theyd make people feel uneasy. Its just weird.

On the other hand i would like to think that in this day and age we should let people wear what they want, and banning it might come across as "discrimination". Normally I would agree, but honestly when you look at the whole purpose of the burqa and the meaning and history behind it (oppressing women as sexual objects) then I have to say I'm not sympathetic to those saying it's just "culture". And believe me I hate bigotry and right wing xenophobia, I hate people who demonize refugees and treat them like a virus instead of humans fleeing a desperate and hellish situation.

So, I really don't know. Personally I feel like a world without burqas is a better place but banning them isn't the solution. We have to fix the root of the problem, but that's a lot easier said than done, it's centuries of social norms instilled and that will need a lot of work to undo.

In the middle East we have more liberal Muslim countries (Syria, Lebanon, Jordan, Morocco) where you will find women going around in whatever they want to wear, partying and drinking and doing normal things you'd expect them to. In other parts, where luckily I have not lived (Saudi Arabia, most notably) where women cant drive or show any part of their body in public.


There are no easy answers, and these are the questions we have to ask ourselves other than just "oh yeah can we just ban them". We need to know how to actually cure these societies so that the burka isn't even something they need. 

Just my two cents and ramblings, I've had a few drinks so here's my presidential speech, lol
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UnfairRepresent 13 hours ago#46
Interesting that both 70% of CE and Switzerland agree
^ Hey now that's completely unfair.
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