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September 4, 2017

when did communism become so popular amongst the young and uneducated?

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FLUFFYGERM 3 days ago#1
been noticing a trend online with more people wanting to move into communism, mostly amongst the young and uneducated

who/what/when/where/why?
Antifar 3 days ago#2
The financial crisis
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pinky0926 3 days ago#3
Antifar posted...
The financial crisis


And the ever increasing wealth divide
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Leftist academia and the leftist media are mostly silent on the crimes of the left. Even their chosen vocabulary makes their intentions clear. For example, LePen is "far right" but hardly anyone in the media calls the Venezuelan regime "far left".
"Socialism in general has a record of failure so blatant that only an intellectual could ignore or evade it." -Thomas Sowell
tennisdude818 posted...
Leftist academia and the leftist media are mostly silent on the crimes of the left. Even their chosen vocabulary makes their intentions clear. For example, LePen is "far right" but hardly anyone in the media calls the Venezuelan regime "far left".

Venezuela isn't far left. Far left is the government in Demolition Man.
Twinmold 3 days ago#6
Maybe if more conservatives valued education, they would learn what Communism actually means. I know it's a stretch, but one can dream.
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once Bernie and Obama promised all that free stuff
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ChromaticAngel posted...
tennisdude818 posted...
Leftist academia and the leftist media are mostly silent on the crimes of the left. Even their chosen vocabulary makes their intentions clear. For example, LePen is "far right" but hardly anyone in the media calls the Venezuelan regime "far left".

Venezuela isn't far left. Far left is the government in Demolition Man.


I knew somebody would say that. This is another reason communism is in vogue. None of the disasters ever count in the minds of leftists.
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It represents a lazy and low effort lifestyle
HypnoCoosh 2 days ago#10
Blame the education system and the democrats.
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Twinmold posted...
Maybe if more conservatives valued education, they would learn what Communism actually means. I know it's a stretch, but one can dream.


Mao killed 45 million people in 4 years.
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voldothegr8 2 days ago#12
They want everyone to be as miserable as them
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Saxon 2 days ago#14
Everybody gets an equal piece of the pie seems like a good idea until it gets manipulated and corrupted.
Saxon posted...
Everybody gets an equal piece of the pie seems like a good idea until it gets manipulated and corrupted.

Everybody getting an equal piece of the pie just results in fewer bakers.
hockeybub89 2 days ago#16
HypnoCoosh posted...
Blame the education system and the democrats.

Why would Democrats want people to be communists? I thought they want votes.
gmanthebest 2 days ago#17
FLUFFYGERM posted...
young and uneducated

Well, there's your answer
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Roxborough4Ever posted...
once Bernie and Obama promised all that free stuff


Bernie never promised free stuff, said taxes would pay for it.

What did Obama promise again?
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FLUFFYGERM 2 days ago#19
gmanthebest posted...
FLUFFYGERM posted...
young and uneducated

Well, there's your answer


so basically it's because most of them are just unbelievably stupid and naive?
pinky0926 posted...
Antifar posted...
The financial crisis


And the ever increasing wealth divide


You will have the same thing just with the high level government officials having the money and resources instead of Bill gates, Elon Musk, Mark zuckerberg and the like.
Twinmold 2 days ago#21
tennisdude818 posted...
Twinmold posted...
Maybe if more conservatives valued education, they would learn what Communism actually means. I know it's a stretch, but one can dream.


Mao killed 45 million people in 4 years.

Conservatives are allowed to talk about Communism when they can prove they know what defines Communism. Hint, it's not Democrats, nor other political parties you disagree with.
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Twinmold posted...
Maybe if more conservatives valued education, they would learn what Communism actually means. I know it's a stretch, but one can dream.


What's there to learn about communism? It's never worked and has caused more deaths than ww2.

What brand of communism are you selling?
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John_Galt 2 days ago#23
FLUFFYGERM posted...
gmanthebest posted...
FLUFFYGERM posted...
young and uneducated

Well, there's your answer


so basically it's because most of them are just unbelievably stupid and naive?

Yes
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Lack of social mobility and opportunity, having access to information to see how absolutely f***ed a lot of the upper class can be. As awareness increases it becomes easier to look for potential solutions.
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DevsBro 2 days ago#25
It's not like it doesn't make sense if you somehow assume the gvrnment is benevolent
luigi13579 2 days ago#26
I think it's a reaction against modern captalism / neoliberalism, which they feel is unsustainable and makes people do terrible things to survive within it. Communism is basically the antithesis of that: a classless, moneyless, stateless society.
FLUFFYGERM 2 days ago#27
luigi13579 posted...
I think it's a reaction against modern captalism / neoliberalism, which they feel is unsustainable and makes people do terrible things to survive within it. Communism is basically the antithesis of that: a classless, moneyless, stateless society.


that'll never exist
luigi13579 2 days ago#28
FLUFFYGERM posted...
that'll never exist

Probably not.
FLUFFYGERM 2 days ago#29
luigi13579 posted...
FLUFFYGERM posted...
that'll never exist

Probably not.


socialists are fools if they really believe it can
ZMythos 2 days ago#30
Capitalism awards more power to the wealthy, who then abuse that power to give themselves more wealth or take away wealth from others. This makes "moving up" nearly impossible for a majority, which leaves them struggling to avoid poverty and working harder for disproportionately less than their wealthy counterparts. 

Capitalism also harms the consumer by disguising deregulation as "competition" and "innovation," when in reality most of the top companies avoid innovation and expanding infrastructure and try to buy out the competition (see: Big Oil, Big Telecom, Big Banks). The call for deregulation also opens up the door for harmful business practices and damage to communities and the environment (see: Leaded paint, leaded gasoline) 

Luckily we don't live in pure, unregulated capitalism, but there are groups of people who want to move that way. There are also groups who want even more protection and power to the consumer as a stronger check to the influence these companies hold
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FLUFFYGERM posted...
luigi13579 posted...
I think it's a reaction against modern captalism / neoliberalism, which they feel is unsustainable and makes people do terrible things to survive within it. Communism is basically the antithesis of that: a classless, moneyless, stateless society.

that'll never exist

It CAN'T exist for a population above a hundred people.
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FLUFFYGERM 2 days ago#32
ZMythos posted...
Capitalism awards more power to the wealthy, who then abuse that power to give themselves more wealth or take away wealth from others. This makes "moving up" nearly impossible for a majority, which leaves them struggling to avoid poverty and working harder for disproportionately less than their wealthy counterparts. 


then how do you explain this:

https://www.entrepreneur.com/article/291896
https://www.cnbc.com/2017/03/24/a-record-number-of-americans-are-now-millionaires-new-study-shows.html

note that most of these are first generation rich

ZMythos posted...
Capitalism also harms the consumer by disguising deregulation as "competition" and "innovation," when in reality most of the top companies avoid innovation and expanding infrastructure and try to buy out the competition (see: Big Oil, Big Telecom, Big Banks). The call for deregulation also opens up the door for harmful business practices and damage to communities and the environment (see: Leaded paint, leaded gasoline) 


capitalism doesn't support monopolies

ZMythos posted...
Luckily we don't live in pure, unregulated capitalism, but there are groups of people who want to move that way. There are also groups who want even more protection and power to the consumer as a stronger check to the influence these companies hold


the only people who want to go that way are the people who run those monopolies
SharpX68000 2 days ago#33
Communism is responsible for more deaths than Nazism. Its ok though because Communism sounds better on paper.
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A_Good_Boy 2 days ago#34
SharpX68000 posted...
Communism is responsible for more deaths than Nazism. Its ok though because Communism sounds better on paper.

Which would you prefer over the other?
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SharpX68000 2 days ago#35
A_Good_Boy posted...
SharpX68000 posted...
Communism is responsible for more deaths than Nazism. Its ok though because Communism sounds better on paper.

Which would you prefer over the other?


Neither. Theyre both crap. Nazism is worse in theory but Communism has proven to be more deadly in its impact.
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Twinmold posted...
tennisdude818 posted...
Twinmold posted...
Maybe if more conservatives valued education, they would learn what Communism actually means. I know it's a stretch, but one can dream.


Mao killed 45 million people in 4 years.

Conservatives are allowed to talk about Communism when they can prove they know what defines Communism. Hint, it's not Democrats, nor other political parties you disagree with.


By that line of thinking, you must be very outspoken against people who wrongly accuse others of fascism and nazism.
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ZMythos 2 days ago#37
FLUFFYGERM posted...

https://www.cnbc.com/2017/03/24/a-record-number-of-americans-are-now-millionaires-new-study-shows.html

At the same time that there is a record number of millionaires in the U.S., the middle class is shrinking. The percent of American adults who are considered middle-income fell from 55 percent in 2000 to 52 percent in 2014, according to a 2016 report from the Pew Research Center.

And increasing numbers of Americans are living paycheck to paycheck. One in three say they couldn't come up with $2,000 if faced with an emergency like an urgent home repair, medical crisis or car accident. Meanwhile, even affluent two-income households report feeling pinched.


FLUFFYGERM posted...
capitalism doesn't support monopolies

That's where you're wrong, kiddo. 

FLUFFYGERM posted...
the only people who want to go that way are the people who run those monopolies

Wat? Monopolies want to give away their power? wtf?
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Kolibri X 2 days ago#38
The poor and uneducated are highly suspectable to promises of 'equality' and eating the rich, which is why it caught on so well in 3rd world s***holes instead of advanced capitalist societies much to Marx's misprediction.
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FLUFFYGERM 2 days ago#39
tagging ZMythos as dishonest
FLUFFYGERM posted...
then how do you explain this:

What is inflation?
Twinmold 2 days ago#41
tennisdude818 posted...
By that line of thinking, you must be very outspoken against people who wrongly accuse others of fascism and nazism.

I think conservatives should choose different flags and chants if they want to avoid those accusations. The fact that white supremacists being called so is a soft spot for you just shows how ignorant your beliefs are.
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The Admiral 2 days ago#42
Kids and man-children in their 20s think "communism" and "socialism" mean they get free stuff to maintain a comfortable lifestyle without needing to work or contribute to the system, even though this is complete fantasy. It's childlike thinking, which is why adults with non-entry level jobs think it's laughable.
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Twinmold posted...
tennisdude818 posted...
By that line of thinking, you must be very outspoken against people who wrongly accuse others of fascism and nazism.

I think conservatives should choose different flags and chants if they want to avoid those accusations. The fact that white supremacists being called so is a soft spot for you just shows how ignorant your beliefs are.


Aaand you just employed a weasely method to imply that I'm a white supremacist sympathizer. I guess you don't really have an issue with words being deceptively misused after all.
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FLUFFYGERM 2 days ago#44
hahah is twinmold really still polluting gamefaqs with his posts
glitteringfairy  gun baiter2 days ago#45
True communism would be fantastic but it's impossible to achieve with humans in charge of it.

Great idea on paper, nowhere near achievable
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RPGaddict28 2 days ago#46
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--kresnik-- 2 days ago#47
Idealism and rebellion will, sadly, always exist.
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RPGaddict28 posted...
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And cancer is capitalisims fault! And the fact we get old and die is capitalisims fault!

Seriously though, as India and China moved towards market economies 100s of millions of people escaped poverty. if communism did that, sociology professors would have a lot to say about it.
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ehhwhatever 2 days ago#49
MagusKingOfZeal posted...
It represents a lazy and low effort lifestyle

Why try when everything ends? That is an individual's opinion but sooner or later that opinion will spread.
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glitteringfairy posted...
True communism would be fantastic but it's impossible to achieve with humans in charge of it.

Great idea on paper, nowhere near achievable

The traditional nuclear family is a working model of ideal communism.
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    FLUFFYGERM 3 days ago#51
    @RPGaddict28

    do you really believe all of that?
    Questionmarktarius posted...
    glitteringfairy posted...
    True communism would be fantastic but it's impossible to achieve with humans in charge of it.

    Great idea on paper, nowhere near achievable

    The traditional nuclear family is a working model of ideal communism.

    Not in the least. 'It takes a village...' is, however, and that's the antithesis of the nuclear family.
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    RPGaddict28 3 days ago#53
    FLUFFYGERM posted...
    @RPGaddict28

    do you really believe all of that?

    The numbers, that capitalism is the cause or that communism would fix it?
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    pinky0926 3 days ago#54
    pikachupwnage posted...
    pinky0926 posted...
    Antifar posted...
    The financial crisis


    And the ever increasing wealth divide


    You will have the same thing just with the high level government officials having the money and resources instead of Bill gates, Elon Musk, Mark zuckerberg and the like.


    I'm not defending communism, just explaining why young people might be disillusioned with the current state of the world and looking to other ideologies that claim to fix these problems
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    Kavatar 3 days ago#55
    I've seen a lot of support for democratic socialism, but where are all these people supporting communism?
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    Twinmold 3 days ago#56
    Aaand you just employed a weasely method to imply that I'm a white supremacist sympathizer. I guess you don't really have an issue with words being deceptively misused after all.

    And many conservatives show a surprising amount of concern for the safety of nazis rights and ideologies. I wish they would stop posturing, and pretending that they aren't just racist towards blacks, and spiteful towards Democrats. That's what all of this is. It's posturing.

    Not every conservative is a Nazi. That would be a blatant misgeneralization, but a hefty portion harbor a lot of racial resentment, even if they would deny it to high heaven. I think a lot of conservatives see these nazis and white supremacists as part of "their team." They may not want to show them around town, but they get awfully defensive when they're attacked.
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    darkjedilink posted...
    Questionmarktarius posted...
    glitteringfairy posted...
    True communism would be fantastic but it's impossible to achieve with humans in charge of it.

    Great idea on paper, nowhere near achievable

    The traditional nuclear family is a working model of ideal communism.

    Not in the least. 'It takes a village...' is, however, and that's the antithesis of the nuclear family.


    Father: The worker who thinks he's really in control, and the only truly productive member.
    Mother: The one who's really in control, while letting the worker (father) think otherwise.
    Children: Assigned menial and meaningless (but vastly overstated) tasks by the family authority, and punished as they rebel.
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    Twinmold posted...
    Aaand you just employed a weasely method to imply that I'm a white supremacist sympathizer. I guess you don't really have an issue with words being deceptively misused after all.

    And many conservatives show a surprising amount of concern for the safety of nazis rights and ideologies. I wish they would stop posturing, and pretending that they aren't just racist towards blacks, and spiteful towards Democrats. That's what all of this is. It's posturing.

    Not every conservative is a Nazi. That would be a blatant misgeneralization, but a hefty portion harbor a lot of racial resentment, even if they would deny it to high heaven. I think a lot of conservatives see these nazis and white supremacists as part of "their team." They may not want to show them around town, but they get awfully defensive when they're attacked.

    ITP - having an issue with someone's rights being violated makes you a racist.

    I guess the Civil Rights Act is racist, huh?
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    DreadedWave 3 days ago#59
    Because capitalism is a doomed system.
    mario2000 3 days ago#60
    when did communism become so popular amongst the young and uneducated?

    not sure if satire or just doesn't know what communism is
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    Newhopes 3 days ago#61
    DreadedWave posted...
    Because capitalism is a doomed system.


    And we've had a 100 years of communism been a complete and utter failure, so whats your point?
    The Admiral 3 days ago#62
    mario2000 posted...
    when did communism become so popular amongst the young and uneducated?

    not sure if satire or just doesn't know what communism is


    Sounds like he's got a pretty good handle on it.
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    Twinmold posted...
    Aaand you just employed a weasely method to imply that I'm a white supremacist sympathizer. I guess you don't really have an issue with words being deceptively misused after all.

    And many conservatives show a surprising amount of concern for the safety of nazis rights and ideologies. I wish they would stop posturing, and pretending that they aren't just racist towards blacks, and spiteful towards Democrats. That's what all of this is. It's posturing.

    Not every conservative is a Nazi. That would be a blatant misgeneralization, but a hefty portion harbor a lot of racial resentment, even if they would deny it to high heaven. I think a lot of conservatives see these nazis and white supremacists as part of "their team." They may not want to show them around town, but they get awfully defensive when they're attacked.


    When I oppose the "punch a nazi" movement that may look like concern for their well being to people who don't understand the value in free speech.

    "Racial resentment" is a staple of cultural Marxism. Would you like for me to post videos of angry non whites saying whites should have their s*** taken away?
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    CrimsonRage 2 days ago#64
    tennisdude818 posted...
    Twinmold posted...
    Aaand you just employed a weasely method to imply that I'm a white supremacist sympathizer. I guess you don't really have an issue with words being deceptively misused after all.

    And many conservatives show a surprising amount of concern for the safety of nazis rights and ideologies. I wish they would stop posturing, and pretending that they aren't just racist towards blacks, and spiteful towards Democrats. That's what all of this is. It's posturing.

    Not every conservative is a Nazi. That would be a blatant misgeneralization, but a hefty portion harbor a lot of racial resentment, even if they would deny it to high heaven. I think a lot of conservatives see these nazis and white supremacists as part of "their team." They may not want to show them around town, but they get awfully defensive when they're attacked.


    When I oppose the "punch a nazi" movement that may look like concern for their well being to people who don't understand the value in free speech.


    They defend Nazis in a way they would never defend communists, Islamists, BLM, Antifa, etc.

    Twinmold hit the nail on the head. They see Nazis/white supremacists as people on "their side", even if they may not personally like them. Hence they defend them. Enemy of my enemy and all that.
    CrimsonRage posted...
    tennisdude818 posted...
    Twinmold posted...
    Aaand you just employed a weasely method to imply that I'm a white supremacist sympathizer. I guess you don't really have an issue with words being deceptively misused after all.

    And many conservatives show a surprising amount of concern for the safety of nazis rights and ideologies. I wish they would stop posturing, and pretending that they aren't just racist towards blacks, and spiteful towards Democrats. That's what all of this is. It's posturing.

    Not every conservative is a Nazi. That would be a blatant misgeneralization, but a hefty portion harbor a lot of racial resentment, even if they would deny it to high heaven. I think a lot of conservatives see these nazis and white supremacists as part of "their team." They may not want to show them around town, but they get awfully defensive when they're attacked.


    When I oppose the "punch a nazi" movement that may look like concern for their well being to people who don't understand the value in free speech.


    They defend Nazis in a way they would never defend communists, Islamists, BLM, Antifa, etc.

    Twinmold hit the nail on the head. They see Nazis/white supremacists as people on "their side", even if they may not personally like them. Hence they defend them. Enemy of my enemy and all that.


    This doesn't address my post at all so I'm wondering why I'm even quoted here.

    When Antifa calls everybody to the right of Hillary Clinton a nazi I'm going to take notice. It doesn't have anything to do with me identifying with actual nazis. Leftists are the ones grouping nazis in with me. 

    The amount of projection from the left is staggering. "Don't carelessly call everybody you disagree with a communist! Also I see nazis everywhere. Racial resentment is bad! Also I side with cultural Marxists."
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    averagejoel 2 days ago#66
    Newhopes posted...
    DreadedWave posted...
    Because capitalism is a doomed system.


    And we've had a 100 years of communism been a complete and utter failure, so whats your point?

    1. there have been socialist states, but full communism has never been achieved
    2. the biggest obstacle to socialism has been US interference
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    averagejoel posted...
    Newhopes posted...
    DreadedWave posted...
    Because capitalism is a doomed system.

    And we've had a 100 years of communism been a complete and utter failure, so whats your point?

    1. there have been socialist states, but full communism has never been achieved
    2. the biggest obstacle to socialism has been US interference

    Pretty sure Russia's food lines being blocks long for some stale bread and days-old sausage had more to do with socialism's proven s***tiness than America ever did.
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    luigi13579 posted...
    I think it's a reaction against modern captalism / neoliberalism, which they feel is unsustainable and makes people do terrible things to survive within it. Communism is basically the antithesis of that: a classless, moneyless, stateless society.


    Ironoc since under communism you have to do terrible things to survive by default.
    averagejoel 2 days ago#69
    darkjedilink posted...
    averagejoel posted...
    Newhopes posted...
    DreadedWave posted...
    Because capitalism is a doomed system.

    And we've had a 100 years of communism been a complete and utter failure, so whats your point?

    1. there have been socialist states, but full communism has never been achieved
    2. the biggest obstacle to socialism has been US interference

    Pretty sure Russia's food lines being blocks long for some stale bread and days-old sausage had more to do with socialism's proven s***tiness than America ever did.

    you think one famine in one country did more to harm socialism than the funding of counterrevolutionary groups, assassination or kidnapping of democratically elected leaders, and installation of fascist dictators, in like 20+ countries?
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    I'm not even communist (lean more towards social democracy), but lol at using death tolls attributed to communism. "Communist dictators have killed millions!!!". And capitalism hasn't?

    Also, you can say what you will about Cuba, but there is not a single homeless person on there, literacy rate is pretty much 100%, etc.

    Meanwhile, go for a walk in any urban center in the United States and tell me unchecked capitalism doesn't kill.
    metralo 2 days ago#71
    SharpX68000 posted...
    Communism has proven to be more deadly in its impact.

    no.
    metralo 2 days ago#72
    communist dictators haven't even killed millions. its obvious propaganda that's still in effect to this day.

    capitalism kills millions yearly.
    ITT there are some holocoaust denial level delusional statements.
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    averagejoel posted...
    darkjedilink posted...
    averagejoel posted...
    Newhopes posted...
    DreadedWave posted...
    Because capitalism is a doomed system.

    And we've had a 100 years of communism been a complete and utter failure, so whats your point?

    1. there have been socialist states, but full communism has never been achieved
    2. the biggest obstacle to socialism has been US interference

    Pretty sure Russia's food lines being blocks long for some stale bread and days-old sausage had more to do with socialism's proven s***tiness than America ever did.

    you think one famine in one country did more to harm socialism than the funding of counterrevolutionary groups, assassination or kidnapping of democratically elected leaders, and installation of fascist dictators, in like 20+ countries?

    The food lines were the result of socialism, and affected hundreds of millions of people - the very people being crushed by it, so yes, I do.
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    wah_wah_wah 2 days ago#75
    To some extent the free market is for suckers. That's why wealthy people preach about the free market. Not because it helps the poor and their managers. Because the free market is not what they participated in to get rich, oh no, but if everyone had the power and protection they had, then the whole system falls apart. So get back to work, b****. Daddy needs a new government-protected yacht.
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    FLUFFYGERM 2 days ago#76
    averagejoel is a joke. he has no evidence for his ridiculous claims. i asked him for sources a couple days ago and he barfed up some wikipedia articles that didn't even say what he says.
    The Admiral 2 days ago#77
    FLUFFYGERM posted...
    averagejoel is a joke. he has no evidence for his ridiculous claims. i asked him for sources a couple days ago and he barfed up some wikipedia articles that didn't even say what he says.


    He's a gimmick account who posts this stuff intentionally, like metarlo. I have no clue why people keep having serious discussions with him.
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    FLUFFYGERM 2 days ago#78
    wah_wah_wah posted...
    To some extent the free market is for suckers. That's why wealthy people preach about the free market. Not because it helps the poor and their managers. Because the free market is not what they participated in to get rich, oh no, but if everyone had the power and protection they had, then the whole system falls apart. So get back to work, b****. Daddy needs a new government-protected yacht.


    the poor in the west have a phenomenal standard of living. it has been improving in every way. thanks free enterprise!!!
    wah_wah_wah posted...
    To some extent the free market is for suckers. That's why wealthy people preach about the free market. Not because it helps the poor and their managers. Because the free market is not what they participated in to get rich, oh no, but if everyone had the power and protection they had, then the whole system falls apart. So get back to work, b****. Daddy needs a new government-protected yacht.

    Those "protections" you spew hatred towards the rich over prove it's not a free market.
    'It's okay that those gangbangers stole all my personal belongings and cash at gunpoint, cuz they're building a rec center!' - OneTimeBen
    FLUFFYGERM 2 days ago#80
    The Admiral posted...
    FLUFFYGERM posted...
    averagejoel is a joke. he has no evidence for his ridiculous claims. i asked him for sources a couple days ago and he barfed up some wikipedia articles that didn't even say what he says.


    He's a gimmick account who posts this stuff intentionally, like metarlo. I have no clue why people keep having serious discussions with him.


    idk i think he is serious
    averagejoel 2 days ago#81
    FLUFFYGERM posted...
    averagejoel is a joke. he has no evidence for his ridiculous claims. i asked him for sources a couple days ago and he barfed up some wikipedia articles that didn't even say what he says.

    I wasn't even making an argument - I said that the US interfered in foreign democracies, and I linked to sources that gave evidence of that

    you dismissed it by asking me to link to people making arguments when I never made any in the first place
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    hockeybub89 2 days ago#82
    The Admiral posted...
    mario2000 posted...
    when did communism become so popular amongst the young and uneducated?

    not sure if satire or just doesn't know what communism is


    Sounds like he's got a pretty good handle on it.

    Not if he thinks it is popular among any generation. Does CE even have communists anymore? I know I have never met any in real life.
    Class based communism has been replaced by the oppression olympics aka social Marxism.
    "Socialism in general has a record of failure so blatant that only an intellectual could ignore or evade it." -Thomas Sowell
    hockeybub89 2 days ago#84
    tennisdude818 posted...
    Class based communism has been replaced by the oppression olympics aka social Marxism.

    Replaced by who in where? Angry Facebook posts? Neither of those have any traction in most developed countries.
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    hockeybub89 posted...
    tennisdude818 posted...
    Class based communism has been replaced by the oppression olympics aka social Marxism.

    Replaced by who in where? Angry Facebook posts? Neither of those have any traction in most developed countries.


    By the leftist academia and media in the West. I'm referring to intersectional feminism and critical race theory. These are much older than Facebook and the internet.
    "Socialism in general has a record of failure so blatant that only an intellectual could ignore or evade it." -Thomas Sowell
    FLUFFYGERM posted...
    wah_wah_wah posted...
    To some extent the free market is for suckers. That's why wealthy people preach about the free market. Not because it helps the poor and their managers. Because the free market is not what they participated in to get rich, oh no, but if everyone had the power and protection they had, then the whole system falls apart. So get back to work, b****. Daddy needs a new government-protected yacht.


    the poor in the west have a phenomenal standard of living. it has been improving in every way. thanks free enterprise!!!


    tfw when the countries with the highest standards of living are the ones with strong government regulation on the economy (Welfare states). They are not full blown socialist states, but are far from having neoliberal politics.

    Hell, even the United States lived its glory days in terms of standars of living during the 50's and 60's due to FDR's legacy of semi Keynesian politics.
    Smoke944 2 days ago#87
    GenGrievous03 posted...
    FLUFFYGERM posted...
    wah_wah_wah posted...
    To some extent the free market is for suckers. That's why wealthy people preach about the free market. Not because it helps the poor and their managers. Because the free market is not what they participated in to get rich, oh no, but if everyone had the power and protection they had, then the whole system falls apart. So get back to work, b****. Daddy needs a new government-protected yacht.


    the poor in the west have a phenomenal standard of living. it has been improving in every way. thanks free enterprise!!!


    tfw when the countries with the highest standards of living are the ones with strong government regulation on the economy (Welfare states). They are not full blown socialist states, but are far from having neoliberal politics.

    Hell, even the United States lived its glory days in terms of standars of living during the 50's and 60's due to FDR's legacy of semi Keynesian politics.


    Those were the glory days because the manufacturing base of Europe and Asia was a smoldering ruin.
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    averagejoel 2 days ago#89
    tennisdude818 posted...
    Class based communism has been replaced by the oppression olympics aka social Marxism.

    the people that I assume you're talking about are not marxists - they're just talking about their experience, not necessarily grounding that with a lens of dialectical materialism

    not that there's anything wrong with that per se, but it's a different thing
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    FLUFFYGERM 2 days ago#90
    averagejoel posted...
    FLUFFYGERM posted...
    averagejoel is a joke. he has no evidence for his ridiculous claims. i asked him for sources a couple days ago and he barfed up some wikipedia articles that didn't even say what he says.

    I wasn't even making an argument - I said that the US interfered in foreign democracies, and I linked to sources that gave evidence of that

    you dismissed it by asking me to link to people making arguments when I never made any in the first place


    hahaha
    I don't really think communism is all that popular.

    Rather, it seems what's becoming more popular is the desire for more policies which include socialist ideas.
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    tennisdude818 posted...


    And cancer is capitalisims fault!


    Kinda. It stems from bad diet which is heavily influenced by capitalism. Also less incentive to find cheap cures.
    Antifar 2 days ago#93
    I've seen more critics of capitalism being called communists (when they are not) than actual supporters of communism.

    People who want communism are silly, but so are people who heavily support and never criticize our so called "free market" capitalism.
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    Excuse you, TC, communism is popular among the young and educated. They went to college, so it's pointless to argue them.
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    FLUFFYGERM 2 days ago#96
    Knowledge_King posted...
    tennisdude818 posted...


    And cancer is capitalisims fault!


    Kinda. It stems from bad diet which is heavily influenced by capitalism. Also less incentive to find cheap cures.


    under capitalism there is a lot of incentive to have the best product at the lowest cost. cheap cures would steal a lot of market share from the expensive cures.

    this is why products and services are overall getting cheaper with time
    Sinroth 2 days ago#97
    I think the online interest in communism is actually an online interest in social democracies with strong welfare states, not any actual serious opposition to capitalism as a system
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    untrustful 2 days ago#98
    pinky0926 posted...
    Antifar posted...
    The financial crisis


    And the ever increasing wealth divide

    And more expensive college education
    averagejoel 2 days ago#99
    FLUFFYGERM posted...
    averagejoel posted...
    FLUFFYGERM posted...
    averagejoel is a joke. he has no evidence for his ridiculous claims. i asked him for sources a couple days ago and he barfed up some wikipedia articles that didn't even say what he says.

    I wasn't even making an argument - I said that the US interfered in foreign democracies, and I linked to sources that gave evidence of that

    you dismissed it by asking me to link to people making arguments when I never made any in the first place


    hahaha

    I know, right? it's ridiculous that you did it
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    Dragonblade01 posted...
    Rather, it seems what's becoming more popular is the desire for more policies which include socialist ideas.


    What's becoming popular to young people is programs where they get free things, or get social praises for granting free things to other people, and never pay for it themselves. When young people touting socialism/communism are asked to personally contribute more money to make these expanded social programs viable, they become extremely conservative:

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/in-theory/wp/2016/03/24/millennials-like-socialism-until-they-get-jobs/
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      Barring deep-rooted ideas, it's not surprising at all that many people align with what fits their immediate needs.
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      J E S U S 2 days ago#102
      communism will never work because people like to own things
      *imaginary*
      J E S U S posted...
      communism will never work because people like to own things

      if you think people couldn't own things under communism, you are mistaken

      google "personal property vs. private property"
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      darkjedilink posted...
      wah_wah_wah posted...
      To some extent the free market is for suckers. That's why wealthy people preach about the free market. Not because it helps the poor and their managers. Because the free market is not what they participated in to get rich, oh no, but if everyone had the power and protection they had, then the whole system falls apart. So get back to work, b****. Daddy needs a new government-protected yacht.

      Those "protections" you spew hatred towards the rich over prove it's not a free market.

      I never said I hated the wealthy, but nearly all wealthy people have a thinly veiled contempt for anyone earning less than billions. If you think the President would crash at your place for a weekend and would pound a beer with you, you're an idiot. He thinks your trash.
      FLUFFYGERM posted...
      Knowledge_King posted...
      tennisdude818 posted...


      And cancer is capitalisims fault!


      Kinda. It stems from bad diet which is heavily influenced by capitalism. Also less incentive to find cheap cures.


      under capitalism there is a lot of incentive to have the best product at the lowest cost. cheap cures would steal a lot of market share from the expensive cures.

      this is why products and services are overall getting cheaper with time


      But it makes more sense to keep the expensive treatment rather than the cheap cure (which is what they do). And I've seen almost nothing as solid as a cure get cheaper with time. Products only get cheaper due to being mass produced and no longer rare.
      averagejoel posted...
      J E S U S posted...
      communism will never work because people like to own things

      if you think people couldn't own things under communism, you are mistaken

      google "personal property vs. private property"

      Under Communism, nobody has a right to any property, personal, private, or otherwise, if someone says that a 'greater good' is served by it being taken from you.
      'It's okay that those gangbangers stole all my personal belongings and cash at gunpoint, cuz they're building a rec center!' - OneTimeBen
      hockeybub89 posted...
      tennisdude818 posted...
      Class based communism has been replaced by the oppression olympics aka social Marxism.

      Replaced by who in where? Angry Facebook posts? Neither of those have any traction in most developed countries.

      The entire Democratic platform in the US is based on social Marxism.
      'It's okay that those gangbangers stole all my personal belongings and cash at gunpoint, cuz they're building a rec center!' - OneTimeBen
      Antifar 2 days ago#108
      darkjedilink posted...
      The entire Democratic platform in the US is based on social Marxism.

      I'm haveing a stroke
      kin to all that throbs
      darkjedilink posted...
      averagejoel posted...
      J E S U S posted...
      communism will never work because people like to own things

      if you think people couldn't own things under communism, you are mistaken

      google "personal property vs. private property"

      Under Communism, nobody has a right to any property, personal, private, or otherwise, if someone says that a 'greater good' is served by it being taken from you.

      this is blatantly not true
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      darkjedilink posted...
      if someone says that a 'greater good' is served by it being taken from you.

      There is no form of government where this is not true.
      It's popular because it works.... on paper.

      In reality not so much and any examples are automaticly dismissed as not true communism.
      I used to be a gamefaq poster like you until I took an arrow to my face.
      Knowledge_King posted...
      FLUFFYGERM posted...
      Knowledge_King posted...
      tennisdude818 posted...


      And cancer is capitalisims fault!


      Kinda. It stems from bad diet which is heavily influenced by capitalism. Also less incentive to find cheap cures.


      under capitalism there is a lot of incentive to have the best product at the lowest cost. cheap cures would steal a lot of market share from the expensive cures.

      this is why products and services are overall getting cheaper with time


      But it makes more sense to keep the expensive treatment rather than the cheap cure (which is what they do). And I've seen almost nothing as solid as a cure get cheaper with time. Products only get cheaper due to being mass produced and no longer rare.


      Laser eye surgery gets cheaper and better over time because it's a relatively free market. The government creates scarcity in healthcare by making it so expensive and time consuming to bring new treatments to the market.

      If I find a new cheap way to cure cancer I have every incentive to dominate the market with it. It may not be immediately positive for competitors but it's good for me.
      "Socialism in general has a record of failure so blatant that only an intellectual could ignore or evade it." -Thomas Sowell
      HiddenLurker posted...
      It's popular because it works.... on paper.

      In reality not so much and any examples are automaticly dismissed as not true communism.

      that's because full communism is a stateless society, and it has never actually been achieved 

      it hasn't happened yet because the US keeps funding counter-revolutionary groups, kidnapping or assassinating any democratically elected leaders with any progressive platforms, and installing fascist dictators in their stead
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      averagejoel posted...
      HiddenLurker posted...
      It's popular because it works.... on paper.

      In reality not so much and any examples are automaticly dismissed as not true communism.

      *No true scot.....er communist fallacy*

      Thank you very much for proving my point.
      I used to be a gamefaq poster like you until I took an arrow to my face.
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      HiddenLurker posted...
      averagejoel posted...
      HiddenLurker posted...
      It's popular because it works.... on paper.

      In reality not so much and any examples are automaticly dismissed as not true communism.

      *No true scot.....er communist fallacy*

      Thank you very much for proving my point.

      ok, I'm game: name 1 society since Marx that has existed without a state
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      FLUFFYGERM 1 day ago#116
      averagejoel posted...
      HiddenLurker posted...
      It's popular because it works.... on paper.

      In reality not so much and any examples are automaticly dismissed as not true communism.

      that's because full communism is a stateless society, and it has never actually been achieved 

      it hasn't happened yet because the US keeps funding counter-revolutionary groups, kidnapping or assassinating any democratically elected leaders with any progressive platforms, and installing fascist dictators in their stead


      you have never provided evidence for this nonsense. plz stop polluting this board with your posts
      FLUFFYGERM posted...
      averagejoel posted...
      HiddenLurker posted...
      It's popular because it works.... on paper.

      In reality not so much and any examples are automaticly dismissed as not true communism.

      that's because full communism is a stateless society, and it has never actually been achieved 

      it hasn't happened yet because the US keeps funding counter-revolutionary groups, kidnapping or assassinating any democratically elected leaders with any progressive platforms, and installing fascist dictators in their stead


      you have never provided evidence for this nonsense. plz stop polluting this board with your posts

      yes I have - you just ignored it
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      FLUFFYGERM 1 day ago#118
      averagejoel posted...
      FLUFFYGERM posted...
      averagejoel posted...
      HiddenLurker posted...
      It's popular because it works.... on paper.

      In reality not so much and any examples are automaticly dismissed as not true communism.

      that's because full communism is a stateless society, and it has never actually been achieved 

      it hasn't happened yet because the US keeps funding counter-revolutionary groups, kidnapping or assassinating any democratically elected leaders with any progressive platforms, and installing fascist dictators in their stead


      you have never provided evidence for this nonsense. plz stop polluting this board with your posts

      yes I have - you just ignored it


      no you didnt, you pasted random wikipedia links that didnt even say what you said
      FLUFFYGERM posted...
      no you didnt, you pasted random wikipedia links that didnt even say what you said

      this is one of many indications that you weren't listening. 

      those pages weren't random. they were pages about countries that had their democracies undermined by the US, focusing on their elected leaders. it's all fairly common knowledge among historians
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      The Admiral posted...
      Dragonblade01 posted...
      Rather, it seems what's becoming more popular is the desire for more policies which include socialist ideas.


      What's becoming popular to young people is programs where they get free things, or get social praises for granting free things to other people, and never pay for it themselves. When young people touting socialism/communism are asked to personally contribute more money to make these expanded social programs viable, they become extremely conservative:

      https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/in-theory/wp/2016/03/24/millennials-like-socialism-until-they-get-jobs/


      Sorry I'm having a hard time figuring out if washington post is fake news or not. So lets get it straight. If they post something that agrees with your preconceived opinions, it's legitimate, and when they post something that takes a steaming dump on everything you advocate, it's fake news?
      The Admiral 4 hours ago#121
      ChromaticAngel posted...
      The Admiral posted...
      Dragonblade01 posted...
      Rather, it seems what's becoming more popular is the desire for more policies which include socialist ideas.


      What's becoming popular to young people is programs where they get free things, or get social praises for granting free things to other people, and never pay for it themselves. When young people touting socialism/communism are asked to personally contribute more money to make these expanded social programs viable, they become extremely conservative:

      https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/in-theory/wp/2016/03/24/millennials-like-socialism-until-they-get-jobs/


      Sorry I'm having a hard time figuring out if washington post is fake news or not. So lets get it straight. If they post something that agrees with your preconceived opinions, it's legitimate, and when they post something that takes a steaming dump on everything you advocate, it's fake news?


      CNN is the organization that posts fake news, WashPo just has biased op-ed writers. Not that your post is anything more than a deflection anyway.
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