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September 14, 2017

Liberals say DACA dreamers shouldn't be responsible for sins of their fathers

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BillyKidd 1 day ago#1
Yet, I'm to be held accountable for something 5% of the American population did in the 18th Century?
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When was the last time you were personally punished for slavery?
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BillyKidd posted...
Yet, I'm to be held accountable for something 5% of the American population did in the 17th Century?

>American Population
>17th Century
BillyKidd 1 day ago#4
Last time I collected a paycheck and had money deducted from it.
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BillyKidd posted...
Last time I collected a paycheck and had money deducted from it.


That doesn't happen
The DACA dreamers should be treated for theirs own actions. They are not undocumented (since they are in a government program) they have no criminal record, they are educated or are furthering their education and they all have good jobs. There are millions of criminal immigrants out there selling drugs and just being a burden on society and instead you are focusing on the ones who are doing everything right. 

I believe that Trump is going after the dreamers because they are an easy target. It means eight hundred thousand deported immigrants at once and makes him look like a man of action and his word. It is a warning shot really to scare immigrants. The illegals will go into hiding is the people who did everything right are not safe.
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Darkman124 1 day ago#9
BillyKidd posted...
Yet, I'm to be held accountable for something 5% of the American population did in the 18th Century?


how exactly do you think you are 'to be held accountable'

be specific since the way DACA kids would be 'held accountable' is 'being deported'
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Is TC so ignorant he doesn't realize dreamers have to sign up and pay to be part of DACA?
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DrizztLink 1 day ago#11
BillyKidd posted...
Last time I collected a paycheck and had money deducted from it.

...Are you implying that taxes are reparations?
C_Pain 1 day ago#12
Taxation is theft
Hey tc how does one become this stupid
Where does the 5% figure come from?

While 8% of families owned slaves (per 1860 census - Source: http://www.civil-war.net/pages/1860_census.html), it doesn't make sense to include states which slavery was already illegal (free states). If you isolate states with slave owners the number increases to 27%. Over a quarter of Americans living in Southern states owned slaves. This is including a 3% outlier (Delaware), which if you remove the number increases to 29% of American families in slave owning states were slave owners (49% of the non-slave population in Mississippi were slave owners)

A rather disgusting proportion of Americans owned slaves in states which slavery was legal.
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UnholyMudcrab  needs big 31 day ago#16
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TheoryzC 1 day ago#17
Smh
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Darker Cheshire posted...
Where does the 5% figure come from?

While 8% of families owned slaves (

Even if you pretend this is true its not relevant to TC's point
^ Hey now that's completely unfair.
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UnfairRepresent posted...
Darker Cheshire posted...
Where does the 5% figure come from?

While 8% of families owned slaves (

Even if you pretend this is true its not relevant to TC's point


I wasn't aware the TC had a point.
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Darker Cheshire posted...


I wasn't aware the TC had a point.

His point is that you cannot simutaniously blame people for the actions of others and insist on not blaming people for the actions of others.
^ Hey now that's completely unfair.
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UnfairRepresent posted...
Darker Cheshire posted...


I wasn't aware the TC had a point.

His point is that you cannot simutaniously blame people for the actions of others and insist on not blaming people for the actions of others.


The circumstances are more nuanced for a simple direct comparison and thus falls into false equivalency. There's no point.
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UnfairRepresent posted...
Darker Cheshire posted...


I wasn't aware the TC had a point.

His point is that you cannot simutaniously blame people for the actions of others and insist on not blaming people for the actions of others.

Which isn't part of what most liberals think. He's asking the majority to defend the stance of others.
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Darker Cheshire posted...

The circumstances are more nuanced for a simple direct comparison

How convenient
^ Hey now that's completely unfair.
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mario2000 1 day ago#24
Yet, I'm to be held accountable for something 5% of the American population did in the 18th Century?

no one is saying this

quit being willfully ignorant
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BillyKidd 1 day ago#25
Darkman124 posted...
BillyKidd posted...
Yet, I'm to be held accountable for something 5% of the American population did in the 18th Century?


how exactly do you think you are 'to be held accountable'

be specific since the way DACA kids would be 'held accountable' is 'being deported'


have you listened to the ones on the tv? "White guilt", "systemic racism"; You have people like Tariq Nasheed and others, saying that we are responsible for what our white ancestors did 200 years ago, yet they say we shouldn't fault dreamers for what their parents did 20 years ago.
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Villain 1 day ago#26
mario2000 posted...
Yet, I'm to be held accountable for something 5% of the American population did in the 18th Century?

no one is saying this

quit being willfully ignorant


This is why you should stay in school
BillyKidd 1 day ago#27
DrizztLink posted...
BillyKidd posted...
Last time I collected a paycheck and had money deducted from it.

...Are you implying that taxes are reparations?


No I'm implying where my tax money is being dispersed.
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BillyKidd posted...
Darkman124 posted...
BillyKidd posted...
Yet, I'm to be held accountable for something 5% of the American population did in the 18th Century?


how exactly do you think you are 'to be held accountable'

be specific since the way DACA kids would be 'held accountable' is 'being deported'


have you listened to the ones on the tv? "White guilt", "systemic racism"; You have people like Tariq Nasheed and others, saying that we are responsible for what our white ancestors did 200 years ago, yet they say we shouldn't fault dreamers for what their parents did 20 years ago.

Why are you asking people to defend the stance of others?
That's like saying, "You're Conservative, why do you believe in white supremacy?"
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this puts into perspective why reparations should never happen

punishing the children for the sins of the fathers


and someone might argue "but white privilege! the country as a whole benefited from those sins so it can afford to pay"
maybe true, but it is also true that the dreamers are benefiting and continue to benefit from what their parents did that they couldn't control
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BillyKidd 1 day ago#30
unlike liberals that took months of assaults, arson, vandalism, etc... to finally denounce Antifa, conservatives have denounced white supremacists from jump.
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BillyKidd posted...
unlike liberals that took months of assaults, arson, vandalism, etc... to finally denounce Antifa, conservatives have denounced white supremacists from jump.

You're doing it, agian.
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Conflict  refugee love block me1 day ago#32
Just lock the topic fam. You look like the biggest dumbass yet
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BillyKidd 1 day ago#33
ok fine.

unlike liberals that have jobs in the entertainment industry, news, and politics; aka the liberals with a voice that everyone sees, that took months of assaults, arson, vandalism, etc... to finally denounce Antifa, conservatives have denounced white supremacists from jump.
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mario2000 1 day ago#34
wtf is "from jump"
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BillyKidd posted...
ok fine.

unlike liberals that have jobs in the entertainment industry, news, and politics; aka the liberals with a voice that everyone sees, that took months of assaults, arson, vandalism, etc... to finally denounce Antifa, conservatives have denounced white supremacists from jump.

What is your point?
How does it relate to your topic?
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BillyKidd 1 day ago#37
The point is the liberals with huge followings resulting from social media, news, entertainment, and politics have this huge cognitive dissonance when it comes to the matter at hand. Don't punish this group for what their parents did but do punish this group for what people who most likely aren't even related to them did 200 years ago.
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BillyKidd posted...
The point is the liberals with huge followings resulting from social media, news, entertainment, and politics have this huge cognitive dissonance when it comes to the matter at hand. Don't punish this group for what their parents did but do punish this group for what people who most likely aren't even related to them did 200 years ago.


so you agree DACA should stay?

or you think DACA should go but you pay reparations to black people?
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BillyKidd 1 day ago#39
CADE FOSTER posted...
tc taking all the L's today


how so? All you've contributed to the topic is hurr durr i make teh funniez
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Darkman124 1 day ago#40
BillyKidd posted...

have you listened to the ones on the tv?


generally no

i focus on things that matter like laws
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EmeralDragon23 posted...
When was the last time you were personally punished for slavery?

Really, TC? You're going to ignore this highly specific and topical retort to your plainly disingenuous assertions?
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BillyKidd 1 day ago#42
darkphoenix181 posted...
BillyKidd posted...
The point is the liberals with huge followings resulting from social media, news, entertainment, and politics have this huge cognitive dissonance when it comes to the matter at hand. Don't punish this group for what their parents did but do punish this group for what people who most likely aren't even related to them did 200 years ago.


so you agree DACA should stay?

or you think DACA should go but you pay reparations to black people?


I don't give a s***. I'm just pointing out the hypocrisy of those with a voice on the left are saying. DACA was an unconstitutional executive order that Trump eliminated and forced to be done the right way, through the legislative branch.
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BillyKidd posted...
darkphoenix181 posted...
BillyKidd posted...
The point is the liberals with huge followings resulting from social media, news, entertainment, and politics have this huge cognitive dissonance when it comes to the matter at hand. Don't punish this group for what their parents did but do punish this group for what people who most likely aren't even related to them did 200 years ago.


so you agree DACA should stay?

or you think DACA should go but you pay reparations to black people?


I don't give a s***. I'm just pointing out the hypocrisy of those with a voice on the left are saying. DACA was an unconstitutional executive order that Trump eliminated and forced to be done the right way, through the legislative branch.

Okay. So what good came from this topic?
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BillyKidd posted...
darkphoenix181 posted...
BillyKidd posted...
The point is the liberals with huge followings resulting from social media, news, entertainment, and politics have this huge cognitive dissonance when it comes to the matter at hand. Don't punish this group for what their parents did but do punish this group for what people who most likely aren't even related to them did 200 years ago.


so you agree DACA should stay?

or you think DACA should go but you pay reparations to black people?


I don't give a s***. I'm just pointing out the hypocrisy of those with a voice on the left are saying. DACA was an unconstitutional executive order that Trump eliminated and forced to be done the right way, through the legislative branch.


but you would be a hypocrite too if you think DACA people should be deported but reparations should be forgot about
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BillyKidd 1 day ago#45
hollow_shrine posted...
EmeralDragon23 posted...
When was the last time you were personally punished for slavery?

Really, TC? You're going to ignore this highly specific and topical retort to your plainly disingenuous assertions?


Post #4 and #27
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BLAKUboy 1 day ago#46
LordRazziel posted...
Okay. So what good came from this topic?

We got to laugh at TC.
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BillyKidd posted...
hollow_shrine posted...
EmeralDragon23 posted...
When was the last time you were personally punished for slavery?

Really, TC? You're going to ignore this highly specific and topical retort to your plainly disingenuous assertions?


Post #4 and #27

Well it's been thirty years, and I ain't got my money, honey. You're late with those reparations. What percent are we supposed to be garnishing your wages, bearing in mind that your taxes pay for other things like schooling, infrastructure, law enforcement, literal clean water, food and air, etc. For how many years? How much back pay do you think we're looking at?
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BLAKUboy posted...
LordRazziel posted...
Okay. So what good came from this topic?

We got to laugh at TC.

If you consider that a good thing...
I don't.
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Gheb 23 hours ago#49
So my ancestors did own slaves and I have never ever been punished for it, neither has my father, or my grandfather. I'm curious what sort of punishment Billy is undergoing that my family has unknowingly avoided for generations.
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byron 23 hours ago#50
BillyKidd posted...
hollow_shrine posted...
EmeralDragon23 posted...
When was the last time you were personally punished for slavery?

Really, TC? You're going to ignore this highly specific and topical retort to your plainly disingenuous assertions?


Post #4 and #27

Where is your parent's tax money going to make up for slavery?
pretty sweet
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    I actually agree with TC because it is hypocritical. Which is why I am against reparations and I support DACA.
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    Lorenzo_2003 19 hours ago#52
    LordRazziel posted...

    That's like saying, "You're Conservative, why do you believe in white supremacy?"


    Have you been living under a rock? A lot of people think that.

    Oh, you don't think Trump is Hitler? I didn't know you were in the KKK.
    You didn't agree with Hillary saying Republicans were a basket of deplorables? That's because you're a racist (and by association, a misogynist).
    You're willing to compromise on some issues and you're disturbed by censorship and people losing their jobs over a tweet? You must be the president of StormFAQS.
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    byron 19 hours ago#53
    Lorenzo_2003 posted...
    LordRazziel posted...

    That's like saying, "You're Conservative, why do you believe in white supremacy?"


    Have you been living under a rock? A lot of people think that.

    Oh, you don't think Trump is Hitler? I didn't know you were in the KKK.
    You didn't agree with Hillary saying Republicans were a basket of deplorables? That's because you're a racist (and by association, a misogynist).
    You're willing to compromise on some issues and you're disturbed by censorship and people losing their jobs over a tweet? You must be the president of StormFAQS.

    Oh, you just made up your own quotes to support your point?

    You really are a s***poster.

    Sad!
    pretty sweet
    Axiom 19 hours ago#54
    I see my tag for TC as fake news is still relevant. I'll admit I was amused by his assertion that taxes are used for reparations. First time I've seen that before
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    Skye Reynolds 19 hours ago#55
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    One day there will come a troll topic so obvious that no one bites. It will truly be a momentous day.


    Someday at Christmas, there'll been no trolls...
    MoreRpgs 19 hours ago#56
    Leave them alone and go after the real criminals.
    LordRazziel 18 hours ago#57
    Lorenzo_2003 posted...
    LordRazziel posted...

    That's like saying, "You're Conservative, why do you believe in white supremacy?"


    Have you been living under a rock? A lot of people think that.

    Oh, you don't think Trump is Hitler? I didn't know you were in the KKK.
    You didn't agree with Hillary saying Republicans were a basket of deplorables? That's because you're a racist (and by association, a misogynist).
    You're willing to compromise on some issues and you're disturbed by censorship and people losing their jobs over a tweet? You must be the president of StormFAQS.

    So what?

    That doesn't mean they're right.
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    giantblimpN7 18 hours ago#58
    UnholyMudcrab posted...
    One day there will come a troll topic so obvious that no one bites. It will truly be a momentous day.

    I used to think that, too.
    LordRazziel 18 hours ago#59
    I've been trolled before. I'm sure I will get trolled again. This doesn't really feel like trolling, though.
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    Knowledge_King 16 hours ago#60
    BillyKidd posted...
    Darkman124 posted...
    BillyKidd posted...
    Yet, I'm to be held accountable for something 5% of the American population did in the 18th Century?


    how exactly do you think you are 'to be held accountable'

    be specific since the way DACA kids would be 'held accountable' is 'being deported'


    have you listened to the ones on the tv? "White guilt", "systemic racism"; You have people like Tariq Nasheed and others, saying that we are responsible for what our white ancestors did 200 years ago, yet they say we shouldn't fault dreamers for what their parents did 20 years ago.


    Um...nah. Systemic racism is literally the government/system being racist. Now. As in current times. No one (personally) is being held accountable for slavery. The only thing anyone that matters has asked for is reparations...from the government that enslaved people. The same way they did for Japanese internment camps, Native Americans, and even Jews from the Holocaust (something they didn't even have a hand in).
    That doesn't make sense
    ^ Hey now that's completely unfair.
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    dave_is_slick 12 hours ago#62
    LordRazziel posted...
    BLAKUboy posted...
    LordRazziel posted...
    Okay. So what good came from this topic?

    We got to laugh at TC.

    If you consider that a good thing...
    I don't.

    Why?
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