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August 3, 2017

Nintendo caving to SJWs over Mario "cultural appropriation"?

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the_NGW 1 day ago#1
http://nintendoeverything.com/super-mario-odyssey-boxart-swaps-out-mario-in-his-sombrero-for-a-swimming-scene/

To sum it up, on the original boxart, in the left corner, was Mario pictured wearing the sombrero. In the new boxart, that image has been replaced with Mario swimming. Could be just a design choice, could be removing the image to appease the dumbasses critics whining complaining about the walking Italian stereotype wearing a cultural symbol. No word on if you can or cannot appropriate another culture in the game still.

Edit: I should state, I actually do think the new art looks good, shows more variety and the colors look better, but given the semi-controversy it does feel like the change could have been at least in part due to that.
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_SJimW_ 1 day ago#2
I hope so
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It's still in the game and the swimming scene looks better anyway. Nobody loses.
Discomancer 1 day ago#4
I'm probably the only person who thinks this, but I actually mind if they at least shaved Mario's mustache.

I know people consider it iconic, but something about it always rubbed me wrong when it came to Mario's design.
the_NGW 1 day ago#5
_SJimW_ posted...
I hope so


Shut up Jim, cultural appropriation isn't a thing. And if it was, it wouldn't be a negative thing either.

Also, don't you watch anime or play Japanese video games? That's cultural appropriation man. You're not a Japanese child.
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the_NGW 1 day ago#6
Also, apparently there's a lot of Mexicans, the people this "appropriation" is supposedly offensive to, that are less than pleased with the image being changed.

http://www.nintenderos.com/2017/08/el-boxart-de-super-mario-odyssey-se-actualiza-cambiando-el-sombrero-mexicano-por-el-banador/
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Otimus 1 day ago#7
the_NGW posted...
Shut up Jim, cultural appropriation isn't a thing. And if it was, it wouldn't be a negative thing either.

Cultural appropriation is absolutely a thing, it's just that this isn't that. Most times when it's brought up it isn't that.

It's when people like, use something that's like... meant to be a part of a death ritual or something, and they use it to like... I don't know, make a stereotype or something. Like with Indian headdresses, which is where this all came from anyways.

But it's usually a non-issue. But to act like that isn't a thing that happens is a bit extreme. We're all about exploiting whoever or whatever we can to make as much money as possible.
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metralo 1 day ago#8
good. It was incredibly fucking offensive. But its expected from Nintendo, as most of their tropes are straight from the 80s where women are treated like sex objects and nothing else.
the_NGW 1 day ago#9
metralo posted...
good. It was incredibly fucking offensive.


To who?
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red_robin 1 day ago#10
Good. 

If it's offensive to people and offers absolutely no benefit to anyone else, why do it? If they were removing something that would improve the game then there may be cause for whining.
Darmik 1 day ago#11
The new boxart looks better. I dunno if it's the image the article used but the older boxart but the Sombrero Mario section looks a bit blurry.
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The Nine 1 day ago#12
metralo posted...
good. It was incredibly fucking offensive. But its expected from Nintendo, as most of their tropes are straight from the 80s where women are treated like sex objects and nothing else.


You must be a blast at a party.
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the_NGW 1 day ago#13
red_robin posted...
Good. 

If it's offensive to people and offers absolutely no benefit to anyone else, why do it? If they were removing something that would improve the game then there may be cause for whining.


Offensive to who? A bunch of whiny white people?
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red_robin 1 day ago#15
the_NGW posted...
red_robin posted...
Good. 

If it's offensive to people and offers absolutely no benefit to anyone else, why do it? If they were removing something that would improve the game then there may be cause for whining.


Offensive to who? A bunch of whiny white people?


Who cares who was offended? Why are you offended that someone is offended?
Dagorha 1 day ago#16
The change was likely just a design choice in the end, so it may not be worth reading into things beyond that.


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red_robin posted...
the_NGW posted...
red_robin posted...
Good. 

If it's offensive to people and offers absolutely no benefit to anyone else, why do it? If they were removing something that would improve the game then there may be cause for whining.


Offensive to who? A bunch of whiny white people?


Who cares who was offended? Why are you offended that someone is offended?


So no one got offended...
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The change was likely just a design choice in the end, so it may not be worth reading into things beyond that.
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_SJimW_ 1 day ago#19
the_NGW posted...
_SJimW_ posted...
I hope so


Shut up Jim, cultural appropriation isn't a thing. And if it was, it wouldn't be a negative thing either.

Also, don't you watch anime or play Japanese video games? That's cultural appropriation man. You're not a Japanese child.


http://www.letmegooglethat.com/?q=what+is+cultural+appropriation

The original meaning of anime isn't lost/distorted when I watch it. The original meaning of a sombrero is here. 

The Nine posted...
metralo posted...
good. It was incredibly fucking offensive. But its expected from Nintendo, as most of their tropes are straight from the 80s where women are treated like sex objects and nothing else.


You must be a blast at a party.


I love Nintendo but I agree with a lot of this, and I don't go to parties, so no, I'm not.
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The Nine 1 day ago#20
Why no parties Jim? 
Do you find tortilla chips offensive?
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Kaitouace 1 day ago#21
99% this was a non-issue done as Nintendo has a habit of changing cover art from time to time to hide assets they don't want revealed yet (most famously recently with Donkey Kong Country: Tropical Freeze originally not having Cranky on it) but you know. Internet hot takes.
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swagtile 1 day ago#22
Everything is racist. Everything is sexist. Everything is whatever-ist....

... Man, at what point did people forget that fiction does not apply to real life -- especially when it comes to cartoonish, half-pint plumbers who decided to try on a new hat? This culture war shit needs to stay the fuck out of gaming.
Epitome 1 day ago#23
Dumb, like the people who want the change.
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_SJimW_ posted...
The original meaning of anime isn't lost/distorted when I watch it. The original meaning of a sombrero is here. 

There's no meaning in anything except what people ascribe to it in the present. Whatever meaning a sombrero has is only the meaning it has right now, which makes cultural appropriation not a thing.
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iomega311 1 day ago#25
Discomancer posted...
I'm probably the only person who thinks this, but I actually mind if they at least shaved Mario's mustache.

I know people consider it iconic, but something about it always rubbed me wrong when it came to Mario's design.


His mustache can be morphed into wicked sunglasses.

The 'stache is flawless.
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_SJimW_ 1 day ago#26
The Nine posted...
Why no parties Jim? 
Do you find tortilla chips offensive?


I've never gotten invited to any. I also don't drink or do drugs because I don't trust myself not to get addicted + I have mental health problems that could become worse under the influence, so there's not really much point in me going to a party held by other young adults since it seems like most of what they do is just drink/doing drugs and dancing which I'm not fond of.
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_SJimW_ posted...
The original meaning of anime isn't lost/distorted when I watch it. The original meaning of a sombrero is here.


The original meaning of the Sombrero is to keep the fucking sun out of your eyes.
What the fuck are you talking about?
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Perthboy 1 day ago#33
SJWs being offended on behalf of ethnic minorities is patronizing and racist. Bad enough white male Imperials determined what minorities could do a hundred years ago. Now a bunch privileged white females are determining how minorities should feel. Bloody disgusting.
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The Nine 1 day ago#35
the_NGW posted...
Also, apparently there's a lot of Mexicans, the people this "appropriation" is supposedly offensive to, that are less than pleased with the image being changed.

http://www.nintenderos.com/2017/08/el-boxart-de-super-mario-odyssey-se-actualiza-cambiando-el-sombrero-mexicano-por-el-banador/



Good thing there are whites here to bring them back in line.
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d_parker 1 day ago#36
But Mario is still a stereotypical Italian - that's still okay right?
adamko 1 day ago#37
metralo posted...
good. It was incredibly fucking offensive. But its expected from Nintendo, as most of their tropes are straight from the 80s where women are treated like sex objects and nothing else.


i hope this is a joke post
the_NGW 1 day ago#38
The Nine posted...
the_NGW posted...
Also, apparently there's a lot of Mexicans, the people this "appropriation" is supposedly offensive to, that are less than pleased with the image being changed.

http://www.nintenderos.com/2017/08/el-boxart-de-super-mario-odyssey-se-actualiza-cambiando-el-sombrero-mexicano-por-el-banador/



Good thing there are whites here to bring them back in line.


Yeah, white po-wait...
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Lebowski1 1 day ago#39
Japanese people shouldn't be making videogames. They didn't invent the medium, it's not theirs.
Wearing a big hat is EXTREMELY OFFENSIVE to me. Ban the whole game.
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pnut027 1 day ago#41
the_NGW posted...
_SJimW_ posted...
I hope so


Shut up Jim, cultural appropriation isn't a thing. And if it was, it wouldn't be a negative thing either.

Also, don't you watch anime or play Japanese video games? That's cultural appropriation man. You're not a Japanese child.

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Otimus posted...
Cultural appropriation is absolutely a thing

It's a thing to people with a disgustingly racist worldview.
Canon: the juvenile's way of looking at fiction.
l feel sorry for all the Mexicans that now feel excluded from the game. Shame Nintendo bent to the right wing SJWs who worship Trump and spout racism.
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yes it wont affect people buying the game, but its in no way a good thing tbqh
_SJimW_ posted...
The Nine posted...
Why no parties Jim? 
Do you find tortilla chips offensive?


I've never gotten invited to any. I also don't drink or do drugs because I don't trust myself not to get addicted + I have mental health problems that could become worse under the influence, so there's not really much point in me going to a party held by other young adults since it seems like most of what they do is just drink/doing drugs and dancing which I'm not fond of.

I would really like to just run into you in public. I'd spend a night in jail.
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Lord_of_BeefDip 1 day ago#46
The Nine posted...
metralo posted...
good. It was incredibly fucking offensive. But its expected from Nintendo, as most of their tropes are straight from the 80s where women are treated like sex objects and nothing else.


You must be a blast at a party.


Yet the people who the game was largely 'appropriating' seem more upset that the artwork was changed, seemingly due to dumbass faux outrage. 

Countless examples of racism, sexism and genuine bigotry in the real world and shit like this is what gets you chuckleheads up in arms, diluting those actual terms with your vapid accusations. 

Might as well say " We get offended, so you don't have to!" to the 'aappropriated' groups, and make it your fucking slogan.
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Big_Boss63 1 day ago#47
This probably has more to do with a swimming scene making the game look more fun than just a man wearing a sombrero. Box art is designed to sell a game, not showcase hats.

I say get over it.
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D E E G S 1 day ago#49
Meh, don't care as long as they leave the game itself alone. If they just changed the box art it was likely a stylistic choice.
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Lord_of_BeefDip posted...
The Nine posted...
metralo posted...
good. It was incredibly fucking offensive. But its expected from Nintendo, as most of their tropes are straight from the 80s where women are treated like sex objects and nothing else.


You must be a blast at a party.


Yet the people who the game was largely 'appropriating' seem more upset that the artwork was changed, seemingly due to dumbass faux outrage. 

Countless examples of racism, sexism and genuine bigotry in the real world and shit like this is what gets you chuckleheads up in arms, diluting those actual terms with your vapid accusations.

Might as well say " We get offended, so you don't have to!" to the 'appropriated' groups, and make it your fucking slogan.


Look, we're not the ones claiming to go wanting to "save the world", we just want their shit out of our stuff
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    WeCultural appropriation is a thing, it's a thing that is sometimes bad, sometimes isn't. Sometimes the reason it's bad is different. Sometimes it's the trivialisation of an important symbol to a culture that has been oppressed by colonialism, like the native American headdress. Sometimes it's something used to con people ignorant of the culture being appropriated, like new age Eastern medicine.

    But a Sombrero is just a hat used to keep the fucking sun out of your eyes. There is absolutely nothing harmful about wearing a Sombrero with no Hispanic heritage. Same with 99% of foreign food. Just because Sushi wasn't invented in America doesn't mean you shouldn't eat it. This type of thing is taking a valid idea and stretching it to an extreme by people who are addicted to judging others.

    The best part about this outrage is that Mexican culture has pretty much no animosity whatsoever to Mexican stereotypes along these lines. All the outrage about stereotypes when it comes to stuff like this only serves to end up removing things that are very popular among Hispanics, like Speedy Gonzalez.

    I think the place where you need to be careful about stereotypes that may seem harmless, are when said stereotypes are at the expense of the culture, when the culture is in the process of being destroyed or lost by the after effects of colonialism (this is why Disney needed to be so careful with Moana), or when the stereotypes are a factor in the oppression, past or present, of a group of people (black stereotypes).
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    nurnberg 21 hours ago#52
    Anyone who find this "offensive" deserves to be bullied in real life.
    ChromaticAngel 20 hours ago#53
    the_NGW posted...
    http://nintendoeverything.com/super-mario-odyssey-boxart-swaps-out-mario-in-his-sombrero-for-a-swimming-scene/

    To sum it up, on the original boxart, in the left corner, was Mario pictured wearing the sombrero. In the new boxart, that image has been replaced with Mario swimming. Could be just a design choice, could be removing the image to appease the dumbasses critics whining complaining about the walking Italian stereotype wearing a cultural symbol. No word on if you can or cannot appropriate another culture in the game still.

    Edit: I should state, I actually do think the new art looks good, shows more variety and the colors look better, but given the semi-controversy it does feel like the change could have been at least in part due to that.


    The only thing stereotypically Italian about Mario is that he occasionally says "Mamma mia!" 

    Dude seriously has nothing in common with Italians.
    pnut027 20 hours ago#54
    cool_boy_mew posted...
    Lord_of_BeefDip posted...
    The Nine posted...
    metralo posted...
    good. It was incredibly fucking offensive. But its expected from Nintendo, as most of their tropes are straight from the 80s where women are treated like sex objects and nothing else.


    You must be a blast at a party.


    Yet the people who the game was largely 'appropriating' seem more upset that the artwork was changed, seemingly due to dumbass faux outrage. 

    Countless examples of racism, sexism and genuine bigotry in the real world and shit like this is what gets you chuckleheads up in arms, diluting those actual terms with your vapid accusations.

    Might as well say " We get offended, so you don't have to!" to the 'appropriated' groups, and make it your fucking slogan.


    Look, we're not the ones claiming to go wanting to "save the world", we just want their shit out of our stuff

    This.

    I think people forget that this is a gaming board.
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    Ramune 20 hours ago#55
    the_NGW posted...
    metralo posted...
    good. It was incredibly fucking offensive.


    To who?

    White people.
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    Otimus 19 hours ago#56
    Splatterhouse5 posted...
    Otimus posted...
    Cultural appropriation is absolutely a thing

    It's a thing to people with a disgustingly racist worldview.


    No, it isn't, I gave a fucking example, Jesus Christ.
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    Kalkano 19 hours ago#57
    red_robin posted...
    Good. 

    If it's offensive to people and offers absolutely no benefit to anyone else, why do it? If they were removing something that would improve the game then there may be cause for whining.


    What ISN'T offensive to someone anymore?

    There may no longer be THINGS. THINGS are offensive. End the production of all THINGS.
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    the_NGW 19 hours ago#58
    People act like being offended suddenly matters. If you're offended....so what?
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    _SJimW_ 19 hours ago#59
    the_NGW posted...
    People act like being offended suddenly matters. If you're offended....so what?


    hahaha nice Stephen Fry quote man

    Being offended matters because it's a way of stating that you don't like something because of x reason. Cultural appropriation can be offensive and in bad taste because it impacts the value of culture and how people see it.
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    the_NGW 19 hours ago#60
    _SJimW_ posted...
    the_NGW posted...
    People act like being offended suddenly matters. If you're offended....so what?


    hahaha nice Stephen Fry quote man

    Being offended matters because it's a way of stating that you don't like something because of x reason. Cultural appropriation can be offensive and in bad taste because it impacts the value of culture and how people see it.


    ....annnnd?

    Oh no, I'm offended...tell my mom I love her, it's too late for me, the offended is spreading, I'm a goner.

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    Herbette 19 hours ago#61
    ChromaticAngel posted...
    Dude seriously has nothing in common with Italians.


    He have a mustache and a ridiculous outfit.
    ChromaticAngel 19 hours ago#62
    Herbette posted...
    ChromaticAngel posted...
    Dude seriously has nothing in common with Italians.


    He have a mustache and a ridiculous outfit.

    Ok. You win this time.
    Tucker_BA 18 hours ago#63
    itt: white people act offended on behalf of Mexicans
    Splatterhouse5 18 hours ago#64
    Otimus posted...
    Splatterhouse5 posted...
    Otimus posted...
    Cultural appropriation is absolutely a thing

    It's a thing to people with a disgustingly racist worldview.


    No, it isn't, I gave a fucking example, Jesus Christ.

    Yes, the Native American headdress, an example that Helix later used as well.

    To say that the exact same act - wearing a headdress - is OK when someone of one race does it and bad when someone of another race does it is the very definition of racism.
    Canon: the juvenile's way of looking at fiction.
    Herbette 18 hours ago#65
    Splatterhouse5 posted...
    To say that the exact same act - wearing a headdress - is OK when someone of one race does it and bad when someone of another race does it is the very definition of racism.
    Just no.
    It is good for you if you have no idea of what racism is, but please, stop trivializing it.
    Slimeknight 18 hours ago#66
    So the people who are crying Cultural Appropriation are not going to see Star Wars movies because of Epcot?
    What's a more awkward title? Final Fantasy II or the Neverending Story II?
    swagtile 17 hours ago#67
    Herbette posted...
    Splatterhouse5 posted...
    To say that the exact same act - wearing a headdress - is OK when someone of one race does it and bad when someone of another race does it is the very definition of racism.
    Just no.
    It is good for you if you have no idea of what racism is, but please, stop trivializing it.


    racism:

    prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism directed against someone of a different race based on the belief that one's own race is superior.

    Or

    the belief that all members of each race possess characteristics or abilities specific to that race, especially so as to distinguish it as inferior or superior to another race or races.

    I think he has a good idea what racism actually is.

    Also, some words of wisdom:

    In response to the question, "How do you stop racism?"

    "Stop talking about it." -- Morgan Freeman
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    Herbette 17 hours ago#68
    swagtile posted...
    I think he has a good idea what racism actually is.

    Yep. An idea. An idealist idea, just like your definition.
    With that kind of definition, no one had never defending himself against any kind of oppression. 
    Convenient, isn't it?



    With this kind of definition you definitely can act like if someone saying that it is maybe disrespectful to mock the tradition of the natives is absolutely comparable to enslaving people, stealing their lands, genocide them or treating them as inferiors humans.
    Very convenient.


    But even. Do you really think that people wearing a headdress to make fun of some destroyed civilization is wrong because they are considered as an "inferior race"?!
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    Otimus 17 hours ago#69
    Splatterhouse5 posted...
    Otimus posted...
    Splatterhouse5 posted...
    Otimus posted...
    Cultural appropriation is absolutely a thing

    It's a thing to people with a disgustingly racist worldview.


    No, it isn't, I gave a fucking example, Jesus Christ.

    Yes, the Native American headdress, an example that Helix later used as well.

    To say that the exact same act - wearing a headdress - is OK when someone of one race does it and bad when someone of another race does it is the very definition of racism.


    I never said it was bad, just that it is quite clearly culture appropriation.
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    swagtile 17 hours ago#70
    Herbette posted...
    swagtile posted...
    I think he has a good idea what racism actually is.

    Yep. An idea. An idealist idea, just like your definition.
    With that kind of definition, no one had never defending himself against any kind of oppression. 
    Convenient, isn't it?



    With this kind of definition you definitely can act like if someone saying that it is maybe disrespectful to mock the tradition of the natives is absolutely comparable to enslaving people, stealing their lands, genocide them or treating them as inferiors humans.
    Very convenient.


    But even. Do you really think that people wearing a headdress to make fun of some destroyed civilization is wrong because they are considered as an "inferior race"?!


    Failed to heed those words of wisdom I see...

    It's not an "idealistic idea" -- it's the actual freaking definition of racism. I can't help that your interpretation of the word is wrong. 

    "Putting on a headdress" is very different from "putting on a headdress and mocking others" don't you agree? That's the antagonism portion of the definition. Furthermore, you're right in that it isn't comparable to "enslaving people, stealing their lands, genocide them, or treating them as inferior humans because that shit goes on in present day Africa -- and it's against their own race btw.
    Herbette 16 hours ago#71
    swagtile posted...
    "Putting on a headdress" is very different from "putting on a headdress and mocking others" don't you agree? That's the antagonism portion of the definition.
    Only one thing is considered "cultural appropriation". Using other culture without the intention (conscientiously or not) of negating it, is not part of what is called "cultural appropriation". 
    A sombrero in a japanese game is not a manifestation of any kind of oppression from the japaneses against the mexicans.

    (oh, and please, don't try to help others, and let concerned people define the oppression they suffer from. If you don't get why it is an idealist definition, opposed to a materialist one, just open a philosophy book)
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    Slimeknight 16 hours ago#72
    Dude, if you believe this crap you wouldn't be able to play any RPGs games along with Zelda and many more games unless you are Scandanavian!
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    Dwavenhobble 16 hours ago#73
    Nintendo changed the box art cause they know SJWs see the box art.

    Nintendo won't have changed the in game stuff because they know SJWs don't generally buy who play video games they just see video games as the latest thing to target with their perpetual nonsense because for some stupid reason they believe they should have total control of the industry.
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    Slimeknight 16 hours ago#75
    Do people who advocate this still play Street Fighter? They are Hypocrites if they do!
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    swagtile 15 hours ago#76
    Herbette posted...
    Only one thing is considered "cultural appropriation". Using other culture without the intention (conscientiously or not) of negating it, is not part of what is called "cultural appropriation".

    What are you even talking about here? You make no sense. Using other culture without the intention of negating it IS cultural appropriation. That's what this entire thread is about. Nintendo incorporating a sombrero into a Mario game is an adoption of culture. Why? Because Mario is in a desert and probably wants to keep the damn sun off of him. If you were in a desert and had the choice between a ball cap or a sombrero, which would you choose?

    But no, we have people seeing the buzz words "cultural appropriation", who don't even understand the term by the way, coming in here and spewing ignorance. Cultural appropriation isn't a bad thing. Cultural misappropriation is. People even go as far as to think that cultural appropriation, or even cultural misappropriation, is racist. It's fucking absurd! 

    A sombrero in a japanese game is not a manifestation of any kind of oppression from the japaneses against the mexicans.

    No shit, Sherlock. The ones who are "supposed" to be offended by it are the ones complaining about its removal from the box art. 

    (oh, and please, don't try to help others, and let concerned people define the oppression they suffer from. If you don't get why it is an idealist definition, opposed to a materialistone, just open a philosophy book)

    This is one of the most smug responses I've ever read on Gamefaqs. Get over yourself. Tell you what, I'll help myself to a philosophy book when you help yourself to a dictionary.
    GreenMagicite 15 hours ago#77
    It's hardly the first time a Nintendo cover has changed for the American market.

    Kirby is probably the easiest example.
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    TheOpposite 15 hours ago#78
    If people ever actually got offended by things that mattered I would take them seriously, but they rarely do. If you're going to complain about Mario wearing a sombrero you're wasting people's time. If everyone who got offended by nonsense like this actually focused that energy on things that mattered ISIS and Kim Jong Un wouldn't be a thing in this world. You know, things that people actually SHOULD be offended and downright disgusted by.
    Herbette 14 hours ago#79
    swagtile posted...
    What are you even talking about here? You make no sense. Using other culture without the intention of negating it IS cultural appropriation.
    Nope. You totally missed the point here. You're not alone, but still.
    You think "cultural appropriation" is just a "buzzworld", and it is where you're wrong. It is an academic concept, used to describe a defined reality of practices. It may help people victims of some specific forms of oppression to fight against it. You're obviously not concerned, and you won't be blamed for this, but just don't act like if it was another sjw conspiracy to cut your balls or censor you videogames.
    Or do you really think people facing an actual oppression since generations are really bitching about a fracking sombrero? 


    This is one of the most smug responses I've ever read on Gamefaqs. Get over yourself. Tell you what, I'll help myself to a philosophy book when you help yourself to a dictionary.
    So pointing out your sufficiency and your patronizing is a smug response. Poor creature, you should not be used. 
    Keep your stupid dictionary, and don't dare to open an actual book if you don't want to. I don't care, i'm not here to educate you.
    Doompa 13 hours ago#80
    Nintendo puts out stuff like Punch-Out. They don't care what whiny snowflakes like Jim think.
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    rockus 13 hours ago#81
    Shut up Jim, cultural appropriation isn't a thing. And if it was, it wouldn't be a negative thing either.


    That's silly, cultural appropriation is certainly a thing, and it certainly can be negative. 

    That said, I don't see much of a problem with the outfit in Mario Odyssey. The game seems to celebrate music as a large part of it thus it wouldn't be insulting to include the cultural reference as a means to better assist celebrating that style of music. I don't really see what the big issue with that would be, that does seem more so positive than negative.

    As for the topic, it isn't like they removed the content from the game so I don't see what the big deal is
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    The Nine 12 hours ago#82
    Guys it could have been worse. 
    Mario could have travelled to the arctic, and donned fur to stay warm. 

    Then the game would have been attacked for appropriation of Inuit culture AND by PETA
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    ChromaticAngel 12 hours ago#83
    The Nine posted...
    Guys it could have been worse. 
    Mario could have travelled to the arctic, and donned fur to stay warm. 

    Then the game would have been attacked for appropriation of Inuit culture AND by animal rights activists.

    no animal rights groups cares about Mario power ups except for PETA who don't count.
    The Nine 12 hours ago#84
    ^edited post accordingly.
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    Tucker_BA 10 hours ago#85
    As far as I know, the outfit is still in the game, they just changed the box art. Not a big deal, really, and even then, box art changes between regions.
    TheMadToker 8 hours ago#86
    _SJimW_ posted...
    I hope so


    You do realize that actual Mexican people are laughing their asses off at people like you trying to defend them over things like this

    How does that make you feel, Jim?
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    Delicinq4 1 hour ago#87
    I mean I would feel honoured as a Canadian if Mario put on a traditional RCMP uniform. I bet Mexicans feel the same way.
    Scorpion122178 23 minutes ago#88
    Its pretty stupid but as long as they don't remove it from the game I don't really care. This was most likely a decision from Nintendo of America's marketing team. Nintendo of Japan and the Japanese in general couldn't give multiple fucks less about SJW nonsense.
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    ChromaticAngel 19 minutes ago#89
    Delicinq4 posted...
    I mean I would feel honoured as a Canadian if Mario put on a traditional RCMP uniform. I bet Mexicans feel the same way.

    When Speedy Gonzalez was taken down for being offensive it turns out no one asked mexicans first because they lobbied in force to bring it back as a cultural icon.
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