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October 11, 2017

Should the no torture rule apply to people like the vegas shooter?

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SkuIItuIakid 2 days ago#1
Do demented mass murderers deserve to pay dearly through torture? - Results (109 votes)
Yes! People that massacre others deserve to pay dearly through excruciating torture!
14.68%
16
No! That wouldn't be very nice or humane.
85.32%
93
I wish the no torture rule didn't apply to these demented evil pieces of S***!
They deserve torture within an inch of their life, for as long as they can be kept alive!
Honestly they deserve much more than that, but that's the most we can mortally make them pay for all of the families, lives, and happiness they have destroyed!

But of course our society is too "humane" to do this. They'd rather have them sit quietly in a cell, or use the death penalty through "painless" means
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hoax123 2 days ago#2
The vegas shooter is dead, what do you suggest we do? Torture his already dead body?
Lock her up!
VRX3000 2 days ago#3
1) We have a law against cruel and unusual punishment

2) Torture...actually doesn't do much of anything beneficial. We've seen throughout the entire Iraq war that torturing people for information just gives false leads. People just say whatever you want to hear, even if it is fake. All our good information came when we were nice to people. So really the entire concept of torture is just for your own personal satisfaction and not for any actual strategic advantage.
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VRX3000 posted...
1) We have a law against cruel and unusual punishment

2) Torture...actually doesn't do much of anything beneficial. We've seen throughout the entire Iraq war that torturing people for information just gives false leads. People just say whatever you want to hear, even if it is fake. All our good information came when we were nice to people. So really the entire concept of torture is just for your own personal satisfaction and not for any actual strategic advantage.

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SkuIItuIakid 2 days ago#5
VRX3000 posted...
1) We have a law against cruel and unusual punishment

2) Torture...actually doesn't do much of anything beneficial. We've seen throughout the entire Iraq war that torturing people for information just gives false leads. People just say whatever you want to hear, even if it is fake. All our good information came when we were nice to people. So really the entire concept of torture is just for your own personal satisfaction and not for any actual strategic advantage.

We aren't trying to get info out of them. Just trying to make them feel and realize all the pain they caused people
Let’s think of painful methods of torture in this topic.

Take a nail and stick it underneath the person’s big toe. Then hammer it in.

Take a dagger. Soak it in salt and lemon juice. Stab person anywhere.
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hoax123 2 days ago#8
TheGreatDebate posted...
Let’s think of painful methods of torture in this topic.

Take a nail and stick it underneath the person’s big toe. Then hammer it in.

Take a dagger. Soak it in salt and lemon juice. Stab person anywhere.


Personally, i still think the most painful torture is death by burning.
Ofc, i dont expect any answers from people who are set on fire, so if its information you are after, you can rule this one out.
Lock her up!
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hoax123 posted...
TheGreatDebate posted...
Let’s think of painful methods of torture in this topic.

Take a nail and stick it underneath the person’s big toe. Then hammer it in.

Take a dagger. Soak it in salt and lemon juice. Stab person anywhere.


Personally, i still think the most painful torture is death by burning.


It’s not good torture if they die!

But that is one way I would hate to die.
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hoax123 2 days ago#10
TheGreatDebate posted...
hoax123 posted...
TheGreatDebate posted...
Let’s think of painful methods of torture in this topic.

Take a nail and stick it underneath the person’s big toe. Then hammer it in.

Take a dagger. Soak it in salt and lemon juice. Stab person anywhere.


Personally, i still think the most painful torture is death by burning.


It’s not good torture if they die!

But that is one way I would hate to die.


Burning to death isnt torture because you die at the end?
Its still torture all the way until the point of death.
Lock her up!
SkuIItuIakid posted...
VRX3000 posted...
1) We have a law against cruel and unusual punishment

2) Torture...actually doesn't do much of anything beneficial. We've seen throughout the entire Iraq war that torturing people for information just gives false leads. People just say whatever you want to hear, even if it is fake. All our good information came when we were nice to people. So really the entire concept of torture is just for your own personal satisfaction and not for any actual strategic advantage.

We aren't trying to get info out of them. Just trying to make them feel and realize all the pain they caused people


That has no tangible benefit to anyone.
hoax123 posted...
TheGreatDebate posted...
hoax123 posted...
TheGreatDebate posted...
Let’s think of painful methods of torture in this topic.

Take a nail and stick it underneath the person’s big toe. Then hammer it in.

Take a dagger. Soak it in salt and lemon juice. Stab person anywhere.


Personally, i still think the most painful torture is death by burning.


It’s not good torture if they die!

But that is one way I would hate to die.


Burning to death isnt torture because you die at the end?
Its still torture all the way until the point of death.


I was kidding. :/
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G_I_B_B_O_N 2 days ago#13
Would love it.
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SkuIItuIakid 2 days ago#14
myusernameislame posted...
SkuIItuIakid posted...
VRX3000 posted...
1) We have a law against cruel and unusual punishment

2) Torture...actually doesn't do much of anything beneficial. We've seen throughout the entire Iraq war that torturing people for information just gives false leads. People just say whatever you want to hear, even if it is fake. All our good information came when we were nice to people. So really the entire concept of torture is just for your own personal satisfaction and not for any actual strategic advantage.

We aren't trying to get info out of them. Just trying to make them feel and realize all the pain they caused people


That has no tangible benefit to anyone.

Psychological benefit for people like me and the victims that would love to see people like paddock PAY!
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SkuIItuIakid 2 days ago#15
Also I think the torture should be aired on national TV for public satisfaction, and to dissuade other demented pieces of s*** from doing the same thing!
Kinda like the old days when people were hanged along that bridge in London to send a message.
"You massacre people, this is what you get"
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G_I_B_B_O_N 2 days ago#16
SkuIItuIakid posted...
Also I think the torture should be aired on national TV for public satisfaction, and to dissuade other demented pieces of s*** from doing the same thing!
Kinda like the old days when people were hanged along that bridge in London to send a message.
"You massacre people, this is what you get"


and the profits of the spectacle sent to the victims families
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hoax123 2 days ago#17
SkuIItuIakid posted...
Also I think the torture should be aired on national TV for public satisfaction, and to dissuade other demented pieces of s*** from doing the same thing!
Kinda like the old days when people were hanged along that bridge in London to send a message.
"You massacre people, this is what you get"


There is a problem with that kind of thinking.
You think it would "persuade" people to not do crimes, but it doesnt work like that.
We have higher crime rates than many countries, despite the fact that our justice system is harsher than most of them.
Lock her up!
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OP, go on liveleak, look up the torture of Samuel Doe, and tell me if it gives you any satisfaction.
SkuIItuIakid 2 days ago#19
BetaSquadron posted...
OP, go on liveleak, look up the torture of Samuel Doe, and tell me if it gives you any satisfaction.

What did he do?
Trelve 2 days ago#20
SkuIItuIakid posted...
myusernameislame posted...
SkuIItuIakid posted...
VRX3000 posted...
1) We have a law against cruel and unusual punishment

2) Torture...actually doesn't do much of anything beneficial. We've seen throughout the entire Iraq war that torturing people for information just gives false leads. People just say whatever you want to hear, even if it is fake. All our good information came when we were nice to people. So really the entire concept of torture is just for your own personal satisfaction and not for any actual strategic advantage.

We aren't trying to get info out of them. Just trying to make them feel and realize all the pain they caused people


That has no tangible benefit to anyone.

Psychological benefit for people like me and the victims that would love to see people like paddock PAY!


Surely the greater benefit is seeing someone like him behind bars for the rest of his life. Wanting to see someone tortured in front of you says more about you than anyone else.
G_I_B_B_O_N 2 days ago#21
Trelve posted...
SkuIItuIakid posted...
myusernameislame posted...
SkuIItuIakid posted...
VRX3000 posted...
1) We have a law against cruel and unusual punishment

2) Torture...actually doesn't do much of anything beneficial. We've seen throughout the entire Iraq war that torturing people for information just gives false leads. People just say whatever you want to hear, even if it is fake. All our good information came when we were nice to people. So really the entire concept of torture is just for your own personal satisfaction and not for any actual strategic advantage.

We aren't trying to get info out of them. Just trying to make them feel and realize all the pain they caused people


That has no tangible benefit to anyone.

Psychological benefit for people like me and the victims that would love to see people like paddock PAY!


Surely the greater benefit is seeing someone like him behind bars for the rest of his life. Wanting to see someone tortured in front of you says more about you than anyone else.


It says he hates people who cause massive amounts of death and suffering and wishes to inflict on them what those people have done to others instead of having tax payers fund a comfy lifestyle behind bars where they gets shelter and food at no cost for the rest of their lives. Prison is a reward for these kinds of people.

Pretty understandable and relatable imo that he feels that way. Maybe you should get off your high horse.
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Kradek 2 days ago#22
No, because then you fall into the vengeance category. 

I support the death penalty for very extreme scenarios and he's definitely one I would have wanted executed.

But not by torture.
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G_I_B_B_O_N 2 days ago#23
Kradek posted...
No, because then you fall into the vengeance category. 

I support the death penalty for very extreme scenarios and he's definitely one I would have wanted executed.

But not by torture.


Nothing wrong with wanting vengeance. Revenge does often times help people feel better when they have been wronged.
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First of all, let me just say f*** you for your stupid f***ing bait and switch poll with a question that is the reverse of the topic title.

And the answer is torture is always wrong. And in this case is completely pointless. Torture doesn't even work anyways so it's ALWAYS pointless, but there is no useful intel to acquire here even if it did work, the guy was a lone wolf.
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SkuIItuIakid 2 days ago#25
G_I_B_B_O_N posted...
Trelve posted...
SkuIItuIakid posted...
myusernameislame posted...
SkuIItuIakid posted...
VRX3000 posted...
1) We have a law against cruel and unusual punishment

2) Torture...actually doesn't do much of anything beneficial. We've seen throughout the entire Iraq war that torturing people for information just gives false leads. People just say whatever you want to hear, even if it is fake. All our good information came when we were nice to people. So really the entire concept of torture is just for your own personal satisfaction and not for any actual strategic advantage.

We aren't trying to get info out of them. Just trying to make them feel and realize all the pain they caused people


That has no tangible benefit to anyone.

Psychological benefit for people like me and the victims that would love to see people like paddock PAY!


Surely the greater benefit is seeing someone like him behind bars for the rest of his life. Wanting to see someone tortured in front of you says more about you than anyone else.


It says he hates people who cause massive amounts of death and suffering and wishes to inflict on them what those people have done to others instead of having tax payers fund a comfy lifestyle behind bars where they gets shelter and food at no cost for the rest of their lives. Prison is a reward for these kinds of people.

Pretty understandable and relatable imo that he feels that way. Maybe you should get off your high horse.

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Atombender 2 days ago#26
Forced confessions are worthless.
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Kradek 2 days ago#27
G_I_B_B_O_N posted...
Kradek posted...
No, because then you fall into the vengeance category. 

I support the death penalty for very extreme scenarios and he's definitely one I would have wanted executed.

But not by torture.


Nothing wrong with wanting vengeance. Revenge does often times help people feel better when they have been wronged.


It's not justice, though. Justice has to be impartial and vengeance is literally the polar opposite of that.
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David-Bowie 2 days ago#29
if you really care about human rights for anyone you have to care about human rights for everyone
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will torture bring back the victims or heal their families? No

It's not about that, it's about making you feel good
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I would have preferred he stayed in a rehabilitation prison for 20 years and learned what he did wrong so he could have a normal life once more instead of being tortured.
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KD003 2 days ago#33
Let's be honest. It's gonna get abused. It'll end up with black people getting tortured for stealing a bagel or whatever.
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SkuIItuIakid posted...
Psychological benefit for people like me and the victims that would love to see people like paddock PAY!

It wouldn't be any particular benefit to the victims' families. Contrary to popular belief, the families of murder victims are not sexual deviants or bloodlusting animals. And if they were, that doesn't mean we should indulge them.

As for you, I recommend putting more effort into controlling your bizarre fetishes.
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DOAbayman 2 days ago#35
when are you planning your massacre OP? you clearly share the same sadistic and psychotic mentality
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acolytes 2 days ago#36
TC sounds like a psychopath.
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TC and Gibbon should be institutionalized tbh
Torture also recruits for the enemy and gives credence to propaganda against us

We should avoid it entirely
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SkuIItuIakid 2 days ago#39
Background_Guy posted...
TC and Gibbon should be institutionalized tbh

Nothing wrong with wanting a top criminal to experience the wrongdoings that they have done to others.
Did you watch the vid?
No! That wouldn't be very nice or humane.

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IMadepooh4U 2 days ago#42
Mandatory waterboarding.
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Why would we torture this person? To make you feel good?

Criminal justice shouldn't be society taking revenge on a person.
SkuIItuIakid 2 days ago#44
PurplePanda8 posted...
Why would we torture this person? To make you feel good?

Criminal justice shouldn't be society taking revenge on a person.

To make the mass murderer feel what he made others feel.
It's only fair
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Hello? @SkuIItuIakid did you watch the vid?
SkuIItuIakid 2 days ago#46
BetaSquadron posted...
Hello? @SkuIItuIakid did you watch the vid?

You haven't told me what the guy did yet
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Alesandros 2 days ago#48
Torture is ultimately self-defeating.
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Thebrah 2 days ago#49
SkuIItuIakid posted...
But of course our society is too "humane" to do this. They'd rather have them sit quietly in a cell, or use the death penalty through "painless" means

Do you know why?
Because people who suggest such remedies, those that are peaceful and "humane" as you so like to sardonically dub it, don't suffer from the painful torment experienced in the lives of people who mass murder others. Those people aren't "humane" because they suffer deeply within. They lash out and make others suffer for their inner suffering. They need help and the ability to talk to others about their problems, and warn others of their coming bottled up pain. They need to come out and confess of these things before they do them, and those that do not should be studied to figure out why they do not.

Or we can just take your "inhumane" approach and f***ing torture them potentially to death until they tell us more about themselves, LMAOOO. 

I mean, get a clue. Learn science.
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Thebrah 2 days ago#50
Dude shows up talking about crazies like how Trump talks about Kim Jung Un.

"Buncha rocket men. They keep that s*** up we'll just have to burn them in a blaze of fury. Who with me, breh?"

Save these s*** topics for tweeting.
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    luigi33 2 days ago#51
    No.

    What does it do? It won't bring back the dead. It will do absolutely nothing for the families of the victims. Its an absolute waste of money.
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    IMadepooh4U 2 days ago#52
    luigi33 posted...
    No.

    What does it do? It won't bring back the dead. It will do absolutely nothing for the families of the victims. Its an absolute waste of money.


    Deterrence.
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    IMadepooh4U posted...
    luigi33 posted...
    No.

    What does it do? It won't bring back the dead. It will do absolutely nothing for the families of the victims. Its an absolute waste of money.


    Deterrence.

    So they'll make sure to die instead of get captured, leading to no information

    Not to mention it literally recruits for the enemy
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    Obviously, it needs to apply to everyone or it's worthless as a policy. If you only torture the "bad" people, then it just becomes an arbitrary determination of what counts as "bad".
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    SkuIItuIakid 2 days ago#55
    mrplainswalker posted...
    Obviously, it needs to apply to everyone or it's worthless as a policy. If you only torture the "bad" people, then it just becomes an arbitrary determination of what counts as "bad".

    Kind of like the death penalty. Chosen for specific extreme cases like this
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    SkuIItuIakid posted...
    mrplainswalker posted...
    Obviously, it needs to apply to everyone or it's worthless as a policy. If you only torture the "bad" people, then it just becomes an arbitrary determination of what counts as "bad".

    Kind of like the death penalty. Chosen for specific extreme cases like this

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    atmasabr 1 day ago#57
    For what cause would we have to torture him? The United States already has an enhanced interrogation program that we use to find out if more plots are incoming.

    Once we know the answer to that question, there is no reason not to proceed the usual way.
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    SkuIItuIakid 1 day ago#58
    atmasabr posted...
    For what cause would we have to torture him? The United States already has an enhanced interrogation program that we use to find out if more plots are incoming.

    Once we know the answer to that question, there is no reason not to proceed the usual way.

    Why is everyone thinking this would be for gaining information?
    The reason to do this would be for retribution. To make mass murderers feel what what they made others feel.
    SkuIItuIakid posted...
    Why is everyone thinking this would be for gaining information?

    I think I read your intentions pretty clearly, and as I said, you should do something to control your bizarre sexual fantasies.
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    acolytes 1 day ago#60
    Eye for an eye isn't justice.

    Like the death penalty, I oppose things like this because you could convict the wrong person.
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    Icewitch 1 day ago#61
    We should have a real life Hunger Games with the 12 worst criminals each year.

    May the odds be in your favor.
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    SkuIItuIakid posted...
    Kind of like the death penalty. Chosen for specific extreme cases like this


    Wait, you're talking about using torture as a punishment? That's even worse than I thought.
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