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September 4, 2017

There's scientific proof for why pop music has gotten so terrible.

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pres_madagascar 17 hours ago#1


Interesting watch. But for those too busy, here's the bullet points:

*every single song uses the same combination of drum machine, synthesizer, and computer, aka homogenization. 

*almost every single major hit pop song of the last 20 years can be attributed to 2 producers/songwriters.

*compression making everything sound so goddamn loud, no more dynanic range.

*no more risks taken in pop music, everything is custom designed specifically just to make money(duh). 

*almost every hit uses the "millenial whoop" sound. 

The video guy specifically says that no, not all pop music now sucks, and it isn't meant to be an elitist issue.
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NeonOctopus 17 hours ago#2
COVxy 17 hours ago#3
Scientific proof is an oxymoron, btw.
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DezCaughtIt 17 hours ago#4
What's the millennial whoop
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pres_madagascar 17 hours ago#5
DezCaughtIt posted...
What's the millennial whoop

Take katy Perry's California girls as an example

In the chorus where she goes "whooaaa oohhhh ohhhh whoa". Or barber's baby, where he says "baby, baby, baby, ooooooohhhhhh". 

It follows a 4 chord thing specifically meant and fine tuned to be as infectious as possible. 

It's basically lab grown music lol
apolloooo 17 hours ago#6
pres_madagascar posted...

It's basically lab grown music lol

it's basically everything in mainstream media industry, whether it's movies, music or videogames. there aren't no creativity involved anymore. there's just market research, focus group and all of that s*** that create the most generic s*** possible that somehow sells ALOT
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BignutzisBack 17 hours ago#7
Prince would be ashamed today's music scene, hell he already was for multiple years before he died
pres_madagascar 17 hours ago#8
apolloooo posted...
pres_madagascar posted...

It's basically lab grown music lol

it's basically everything in mainstream media industry, whether it's movies, music or videogames. there aren't no creativity involved anymore. there's just market research, focus group and all of that s*** that create the most generic s*** possible that somehow sells ALOT

Yep, no risk. Small attention spans don't help
uwnim 17 hours ago#9
apolloooo posted...
pres_madagascar posted...

It's basically lab grown music lol

it's basically everything in mainstream media industry, whether it's movies, music or videogames. there aren't no creativity involved anymore. there's just market research, focus group and all of that s*** that create the most generic s*** possible that somehow sells ALOT

The typical person wants comfortable easy to digest trite products.
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pres_madagascar 16 hours ago#10
uwnim posted...
apolloooo posted...
pres_madagascar posted...

It's basically lab grown music lol

it's basically everything in mainstream media industry, whether it's movies, music or videogames. there aren't no creativity involved anymore. there's just market research, focus group and all of that s*** that create the most generic s*** possible that somehow sells ALOT

The typical person wants comfortable easy to digest trite products.

Yeah, the video mentions people want what's familiar.
Calculus 16 hours ago#11
Only K-pop is worth listening too
Gamer99z 16 hours ago#12
DezCaughtIt posted...
What's the millennial whoop

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pres_madagascar 16 hours ago#13
Gamer99z posted...
DezCaughtIt posted...
What's the millennial whoop


Perfect
s0nicfan 16 hours ago#14
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MabusIncarnate 16 hours ago#15
Modern pop really is some of the most garbage tier music in the history of mankind. 90% of what I listen to is all pre 2000. The only downside, especially bands from the 60s to 80s is not a lot of them make new music anymore.
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pres_madagascar 16 hours ago#16
s0nicfan posted...
DLfyrxm

Beyonce used to make really great pop songs. But jay z f***ed the hood back into her and now she makes this trap style s***.
Trumpanzee 16 hours ago#17
pres_madagascar posted...
barber's baby
mario masta 16 hours ago#18
Gamer99z posted...
DezCaughtIt posted...
What's the millennial whoop


I learned something new today.
...I guess...
KStateKing17 16 hours ago#19
s0nicfan posted...
DLfyrxm

I'm not bothered when someone points out that Beyonce has a large team when it comes to her music, but perhaps find a song of hers that isn't a sample that requires her to credit 4 of the 6 writers that most likely had nothing to do with the actual lyrics.
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leverageblargh 16 hours ago#20
The funny thing is that this kind of "popular stuff sucks" and "the masses have poor taste and I know better" sentiment is actually the popular thing to express now. Has been for a while actually.
Delirious_Beard  attack on sight16 hours ago#21
cringeworthy topic
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Shadowplay 16 hours ago#22
leverageblargh posted...
The funny thing is that this kind of "popular stuff sucks" and "the masses have poor taste and I know better" sentiment is actually the popular thing to express now. Has been for a while actually.

And that just represents the sizable minority of more creative minded individuals that we call "genre listeners."
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ChromaticAngel 16 hours ago#23
pres_madagascar 16 hours ago#24
leverageblargh posted...
The funny thing is that this kind of "popular stuff sucks" and "the masses have poor taste and I know better" sentiment is actually the popular thing to express now. Has been for a while actually.

I like pop music.
pres_madagascar 16 hours ago#25
Delirious_Beard posted...
cringeworthy topic

I like pop music
The Admiral 16 hours ago#26
I read something similar about the death of rock music recently. The argument was that basically every appealing chord combination has already been played, such that there are so few areas for originality within the genre.
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ChromaticAngel 16 hours ago#27
leverageblargh posted...
The funny thing is that this kind of "popular stuff sucks" and "the masses have poor taste and I know better" sentiment is actually the popular thing to express now. Has been for a while actually.

Bulls***.

Most people just don't whine about their opinions on the internet. Record sales speak for themselves. Most people like the s***ty pop music.
pres_madagascar 16 hours ago#28
The Admiral posted...
I read something similar about the death of rock music recently. The argument was that basically every appealing chord combination has already been played, such that there are so few areas for originality within the genre.

Partially yeah. Butt rock that came about in the mid 2000s kind of killed it further.
ItsVinceRusso 16 hours ago#29
i say it comes down to two things:

a.) there are too few major record labels with too much influence in the industry
b.) the "indie" scene is over-saturated with musicians, making it nearly impossible for talented upstarts to get noticed (and when they do get noticed, they have to do as the big studios say.)
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pres_madagascar 16 hours ago#30
ItsVinceRusso posted...
i say it comes down to two things:

a.) there are too few major record labels with too much influence in the industry
b.) the "indie" scene is over-saturated with musicians, making it nearly impossible for talented upstarts to get noticed (and when they do get noticed, they have to do as the big studios say.)

Actually. The internet has been HUGE for independent artists. Many artists nowadays can get careers without ever signing to a label by exclusively distributing their music on the internet.
ItsVinceRusso 16 hours ago#31
pres_madagascar posted...
ItsVinceRusso posted...
i say it comes down to two things:

a.) there are too few major record labels with too much influence in the industry
b.) the "indie" scene is over-saturated with musicians, making it nearly impossible for talented upstarts to get noticed (and when they do get noticed, they have to do as the big studios say.)

Actually. The internet has been HUGE for independent artists. Many artists nowadays can get careers without ever signing to a label by exclusively distributing their music on the internet.


sure in some respect, but i thought this topic was solely in the vein of what's making it to the top of the charts.
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The question I would have is when did this all start? 

I honestly look fondly back on the pop charts from even the early 2000's (I'm 33 and Canadian, FYI), and felt there was still some diversity that existed at that point. It has only felt like the past 10 years or so have been REALLY bad in terms of all pop chart music sounding exactly the same.
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pres_madagascar 16 hours ago#33
Jeff AKA Snoopy posted...
The question I would have is when did this all start? 

I honestly look fondly back on the pop charts from even the early 2000's (I'm 33 and Canadian, FYI), and felt there was still some diversity that existed at that point. It has only felt like the past 10 years or so have been REALLY bad in terms of all pop chart music sounding exactly the same.

Correct.
ItsVinceRusso 15 hours ago#34
Jeff AKA Snoopy posted...
The question I would have is when did this all start? 

I honestly look fondly back on the pop charts from even the early 2000's (I'm 33 and Canadian, FYI), and felt there was still some diversity that existed at that point. It has only felt like the past 10 years or so have been REALLY bad in terms of all pop chart music sounding exactly the same.


in the past ten years, we shrunk from six major labels down to just three. they all sound the same because every artist on the charts is signed to the same studio.
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ChromaticAngel 15 hours ago#35
I don't listen to any pop music and my activities generally mean I avoid most of it, but I hear the millennial whoop in tons of commercials.
weapon_d00d816 15 hours ago#36
The Admiral posted...
I read something similar about the death of rock music recently. The argument was that basically every appealing chord combination has already been played, such that there are so few areas for originality within the genre.

Nah, rock music has been suffering for the exact same reasons as pop. It's all about being catchy, easy listening, and appealing to the lowest common denominator in the name of maximizing profits.

I'd say the increasing monetization of entertainment media is a hallmark of this decade.
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leverageblargh 15 hours ago#37
ChromaticAngel posted...
leverageblargh posted...
The funny thing is that this kind of "popular stuff sucks" and "the masses have poor taste and I know better" sentiment is actually the popular thing to express now. Has been for a while actually.

Bulls***.

Most people just don't whine about their opinions on the internet.


For a long time this was true but not anymore.
NeonOctopus 2 hours ago#38
Gamer99z posted...
DezCaughtIt posted...
What's the millennial whoop


This literally changed my life and how I look at music now >_> I never noticed that
COVxy 2 hours ago#39
NeonOctopus posted...
Gamer99z posted...
DezCaughtIt posted...
What's the millennial whoop


This literally changed my life and how I look at music now >_> I never noticed that


It kinda seems like a stretch to me. I mean, many of those examples are very different in sound. It seems like an overly broad definition of 'alternating notes' being preferentially applied to new music.
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Mernardi 2 hours ago#40
39 posts and literally no "Proof?"

Smh
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M_Live 2 hours ago#41
The millennial whoop is such a funny term
DoctorPiranha3  marked me?2 hours ago#42
Modern hip-hop is just downright impossible to listen to anymore. It's the most grating thing ever.
wah_wah_wah 2 hours ago#43
I couldn't go much further in the video once it started with yet another fellating of The Beatles. 

Pop music today sucks if you're old. Just like old people back in the 60's were b****ing that the Beatles were not Frank Sinatra. Just like old people in the 40's were b****ing that that damn slick Italian Sinatra was nothing like Gershwin. On and on it goes.
DoctorPiranha3  marked me?2 hours ago#44
wah_wah_wah posted...
I couldn't go much further in the video once it started with yet another fellating of The Beatles. 

Pop music today sucks if you're old. Just like old people back in the 60's were b****ing that the Beatles were not Frank Sinatra. Just like old people in the 40's were b****ing that that damn slick Italian Sinatra was nothing like Gershwin. On and on it goes.

True to some extent, but I think it's true that pop has become totally homogenized. In the 80s and 90s, there was a much bigger variety of how the mainstream songs sounded. Those were really adventurous times, before it became a total cow factory.
MrPeppers 2 hours ago#45
wah_wah_wah posted...
I couldn't go much further in the video once it started with yet another fellating of The Beatles. 

Pop music today sucks if you're old. Just like old people back in the 60's were b****ing that the Beatles were not Frank Sinatra. Just like old people in the 40's were b****ing that that damn slick Italian Sinatra was nothing like Gershwin. On and on it goes.


This and the fact that everything is so cherry-picked in his presentation.
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NeonOctopus 2 hours ago#46
wah_wah_wah posted...
I couldn't go much further in the video once it started with yet another fellating of The Beatles. 

Pop music today sucks if you're old. Just like old people back in the 60's were b****ing that the Beatles were not Frank Sinatra. Just like old people in the 40's were b****ing that that damn slick Italian Sinatra was nothing like Gershwin. On and on it goes.

Eh, this is different though because modern pop music actually sucks though.
wah_wah_wah 2 hours ago#47
DoctorPiranha3 posted...
wah_wah_wah posted...
I couldn't go much further in the video once it started with yet another fellating of The Beatles. 

Pop music today sucks if you're old. Just like old people back in the 60's were b****ing that the Beatles were not Frank Sinatra. Just like old people in the 40's were b****ing that that damn slick Italian Sinatra was nothing like Gershwin. On and on it goes.

True to some extent, but I think it's true that pop has become totally homogenized. In the 80s and 90s, there was a much bigger variety of how the mainstream songs sounded. Those were really adventurous times, before it became a total cow factory.

lol no. Pop music has always been about money and marketability. John Lennon used to go into recording sessions with Paul and announce, "Now let's write us a new boat!"
wah_wah_wah 2 hours ago#48
NeonOctopus posted...
wah_wah_wah posted...
I couldn't go much further in the video once it started with yet another fellating of The Beatles. 

Pop music today sucks if you're old. Just like old people back in the 60's were b****ing that the Beatles were not Frank Sinatra. Just like old people in the 40's were b****ing that that damn slick Italian Sinatra was nothing like Gershwin. On and on it goes.

Eh, this is different though because modern pop music actually sucks though.

It's only different because you're now the old s***.
NeonOctopus 2 hours ago#49
prince_leo 2 hours ago#50
maybe the kids who talked s*** about the beatles were just ahead of the time
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    wah_wah_wah 5 hours ago#51
    Or you're just old. Old and broken and whiny.
    NeonOctopus 5 hours ago#52
    wah_wah_wah 5 hours ago#53
    NeonOctopus posted...
    wah_wah_wah posted...
    Or you're just old. Old and broken and whiny.

    wah_wah_wah

    Exactly. Happens to the best of us lol
    DoctorPiranha3  marked me?5 hours ago#54
    wah_wah_wah posted...
    DoctorPiranha3 posted...
    wah_wah_wah posted...
    I couldn't go much further in the video once it started with yet another fellating of The Beatles. 

    Pop music today sucks if you're old. Just like old people back in the 60's were b****ing that the Beatles were not Frank Sinatra. Just like old people in the 40's were b****ing that that damn slick Italian Sinatra was nothing like Gershwin. On and on it goes.

    True to some extent, but I think it's true that pop has become totally homogenized. In the 80s and 90s, there was a much bigger variety of how the mainstream songs sounded. Those were really adventurous times, before it became a total cow factory.

    lol no. Pop music has always been about money and marketability. John Lennon used to go into recording sessions with Paul and announce, "Now let's write us a new boat!"

    I'm mainly talking about the 80s and 90s. Of course it's always been about money, but in those two decades, the sounds were varied. It's like when music expression really started to take off among everybody.

    I'm not a master in this subject, that's just what I've perceived.
    wah_wah_wah 5 hours ago#55
    DoctorPiranha3 posted...
    I'm mainly talking about the 80s and 90s. Of course it's always been about money, but in those two decades, the sounds were varied. It's like when music expression really started to take off among everybody.

    They were varied because you lived through those times and committed yourself to listening to most or all of that music. It's really hard for you to make the definite claim that music today is not varied when you have already deemed it to be terrible and probably don't listen to it for more than five seconds at a time. 

    I can tell you that the 1980's hair band era wasn't particularly "varied" from what I remember. Even the bands names didn't really have much variability. Just take a predator and go with it - Poison, Whitesnake, Scorpions, WASP etc.
    MrPeppers 5 hours ago#56
    *Goes out of his way to explain that today's pop is specifically engineered to be pleasant and samey*
    *Spends 2 minutes telling all of us that we are brainwashed into enjoying music and asking if we really enjoyed today's songs the first time we heard them*
    "Music as an art form is dying"

    Oh this dude can f*** right off. 

    I will admit, I lol'd when I looked at related videos in the sidebar and his other video is "Intelligent people have fewer friends, here's why...". Maybe if you stop indirectly accusing everyone of being stupid or incapable of their own thoughts, then you'd have more friends you narcissistic little twit.
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    tennisdude818 5 hours ago#57
    Question for anybody who is defending modern pop music and saying complaints are nothing more than a generational gap. Is there any modern pop artist you'd compare to Don McLean in terms of lyrical quality?
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    wah_wah_wah 5 hours ago#58
    The lyrical quality of an entire artist? That is a confusing as hell question. I think Weird Al's parody of American Pie about the Star Wars prequels was better than American Pie the song, which is overly long and doesn't have much of a point. I don't even think it is among the best of Weird Al, but it at least made me laugh.
    DoctorPiranha3  marked me?5 hours ago#59
    wah_wah_wah posted...
    DoctorPiranha3 posted...
    I'm mainly talking about the 80s and 90s. Of course it's always been about money, but in those two decades, the sounds were varied. It's like when music expression really started to take off among everybody.

    They were varied because you lived through those times and committed yourself to listening to most or all of that music. It's really hard for you to make the definite claim that music today is not varied when you have already deemed it to be terrible and probably don't listen to it for more than five seconds at a time. 

    I can tell you that the 1980's hair band era wasn't particularly "varied" from what I remember. Even the bands names didn't really have much variability. Just take a predator and go with it - Poison, Whitesnake, Scorpions, WASP etc.

    I'm an 00s kid, so my experience with the previous decades music isn't first hand experience. I'm not saying there weren't consistent tunes in those decades, it just felt like people were willing to take more risks, and those risks were getting publicized. Each decade has an identity, but the 2010s kind of blur with the later 00s IMO, and it's hard to see where it goes from here.
    tennisdude818 4 hours ago#60
    wah_wah_wah posted...
    The lyrical quality of an entire artist? That is a confusing as hell question. I think Weird Al's parody of American Pie about the Star Wars prequels was better than American Pie the song, which is overly long and doesn't have much of a point. I don't even think it is among the best of Weird Al, but it at least made me laugh.


    While I disagree with you and still enjoy Wierd Al's version, Don isn't only famous for that song. Vincent for example was a great song with great lyrics.
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    wah_wah_wah 4 hours ago#61
    tennisdude818 posted...
    wah_wah_wah posted...
    The lyrical quality of an entire artist? That is a confusing as hell question. I think Weird Al's parody of American Pie about the Star Wars prequels was better than American Pie the song, which is overly long and doesn't have much of a point. I don't even think it is among the best of Weird Al, but it at least made me laugh.


    While I disagree with you and still enjoy Wierd Al's version, Don isn't only famous for that song. Vincent for example was a great song with great lyrics.

    That's basically it for his pop success. And let's face it, he is mostly famous for American Pie.
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