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August 8, 2017

Just visited redpill and MGTOW. Lol. Are the people there for real?

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Milo_Yiannopous 22 hours ago#1
Never seen such a collection of insecure women-hating dudes that can't take the hint that women don't want them because of their awful personalities.
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1337toothbrush 22 hours ago#2
This is an example of why a hyphen is useful. I believe you meant "women-hating dudes" not "women hating dudes". I was confused for a moment.
Milo_Yiannopous 22 hours ago#3
1337toothbrush posted...
This is an example of why a hyphen is useful. I believe you meant "women-hating dudes" not "women hating dudes". I was confused for a moment.


Thanks fam.
ArchiePeck 22 hours ago#4
They seem very angry and bitter people, viewing relationships as some sort of formulated puzzle to solve and get the best high score in rather than a natural fun part of life.
GameofWheels 22 hours ago#5
You're better off going to the purple pill. Good discussions and I came out feeling sympathetic to many red pillers. Would never call myself one though.
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Lightsasori 22 hours ago#6
Some people want to vent their frustration somewhere, so they got a cesspool of other virgins who think the same way. I mean there's complaining, and then there's demanding for women to change so they have a chance in getting laid.
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LockeMonster 22 hours ago#7
Redpill is mostly common sense. MGTOW is out there though.
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Ghost_Of_Donkey 22 hours ago#8
It is funny because most MGTOW are not angry bitter virgins. Those are the TFLers. Like learning about gynocentrism, not marrying women, doing our own things and finding our meaning in our lives is not being women hating.


You guys stay strawmanning us. It is pretty f***ing sad.
Anisoptera 22 hours ago#9
Their bitterness comes from somewhere. They tried and failed and don't think the effort for bettering themselves for validation is worth it. Let them find peace in living a fulfilling life without a love life.
Darmik 21 hours ago#10
Anisoptera posted...
Their bitterness comes from somewhere. They tried and failed and don't think the effort for bettering themselves for validation is worth it. Let them find peace in living a fulfilling life without a love life.


I don't think ranting about women on a message board is living a fulfilling life.
Kind Regards,
Darmik
Esrac 21 hours ago#11
Darmik posted...
Anisoptera posted...
Their bitterness comes from somewhere. They tried and failed and don't think the effort for bettering themselves for validation is worth it. Let them find peace in living a fulfilling life without a love life.


I don't think ranting about women on a message board is living a fulfilling life.


Depends. What else do they have going on outside of posting a few messages on a forum?
Darmik 21 hours ago#12
Esrac posted...
Depends. What else do they have going on outside of posting a few messages on a forum?


Probably nothing. Which is why they don't have a fulfilling life.
Kind Regards,
Darmik
Esrac 21 hours ago#13
Darmik posted...
Esrac posted...
Depends. What else do they have going on outside of posting a few messages on a forum?


Probably nothing. Which is why they don't have a fulfilling life.


That seems awfully presumptive. Should we assume you or I have no lives outside of posting on CE? 

I might argue pointlessly on online forums and occasionally s***post. Doesn't mean I dont have a life outside of message boards.

I don't think it's fair to judge the quality of a person's entire life based on message board posts.
Darmik 21 hours ago#14
Esrac posted...
Darmik posted...
Esrac posted...
Depends. What else do they have going on outside of posting a few messages on a forum?


Probably nothing. Which is why they don't have a fulfilling life.


That seems awfully presumptive. Should we assume you or I have no lives outside of posting on CE? 

I might argue pointlessly on online forums and occasionally s***post. Doesn't mean I dont have a life outside of message boards.

I don't think it's fair to judge the quality of a person's entire life based on message board posts.


No. But CE isn't a toxic dump dedicated to hating women for all of their problems.

If you have a fulfilling life why would you be there?
Kind Regards,
Darmik
Esrac 21 hours ago#15
Darmik posted...
Esrac posted...
Darmik posted...
Esrac posted...
Depends. What else do they have going on outside of posting a few messages on a forum?


Probably nothing. Which is why they don't have a fulfilling life.


That seems awfully presumptive. Should we assume you or I have no lives outside of posting on CE? 

I might argue pointlessly on online forums and occasionally s***post. Doesn't mean I dont have a life outside of message boards.

I don't think it's fair to judge the quality of a person's entire life based on message board posts.


No. But CE isn't a toxic dump dedicated to hating women for all of their problems.

If you have a fulfilling life why would you be there?


After taking a few minutes to browse r/theredpill, I would figure some of the posters there get fulfillment from having sex with women, or at least trying to, and engaging in self-improvement activities. 

There do seem to be some posters who are suffering from social anxiety and paranoia around women looking for help though.
Darmik 21 hours ago#16
Err read their Introduction to Red Pill. It's all about that woman are incapable of having love that isn't opportunistic and selfish.

And this topic is also about MGTOW
Kind Regards,
Darmik
Esrac 20 hours ago#17
Darmik posted...
Err read their Introduction to Red Pill. It's all about that woman are incapable of having love that isn't opportunistic and selfish.

And this topic is also about MGTOW


So? You don't need to be nice to or considerate of women to have sex with them or live a fulfilling life. A cursory look through theredpill, it seems to be much about working out strategies to have sex or talk to women, with some griping about women and social anxiety mixed in. 

Not necessarily my cup of tea, but I don't see it being prohibitive to feeling fulfilled. Assuming you're one of the sexually successful ones. I'm sure it's a mixed bag. I don't find the content there entirely objectionable. Can't really knock the guys looking to get laid anyway.

The r/MGTOW seems more about just s***ting on women. Some posts were a bit humorous, but otherwise it's a bit of a drag, yeah.

But, if you'll not, it's got a sub base of only about 30,000, compared to r/theredpill having 218,000. So, silver linings, I guess.
Darmik 20 hours ago#18
https://archive.is/jKDk3

Sorry but you don't post and agree with that sorta s*** if your life is in a good place. It's not just about pick up techniques. It's the very belief that women aren't good people and it's okay to manipulate, use them and treat like them crap to make things equal.
Kind Regards,
Darmik
DoctorVader 20 hours ago#19
LockeMonster posted...
Redpill is mostly common sense. MGTOW is out there though.

Esrac posted...
That seems awfully presumptive. Should we assume you or I have no lives outside of posting on CE? 

I might argue pointlessly on online forums and occasionally s***post. Doesn't mean I dont have a life outside of message boards.

I don't think it's fair to judge the quality of a person's entire life based on message board posts.

These.

I feel like the hate CEman has towards them is way worse than whatever precieved hate they have towards women. Well at least red pill. It feels like there's always a lot of projecting going on here. 

I grew up in a pretty hoody area of NYC (all races) where this whole red pill philosophy or whatever is just fact within these communities. It's not hate for women, it's learning to identify legitimate issues women bring to the table and how to best deal with them and how to improve yourself.
It all just disappears, doesn't it? Everything you are, gone in a moment, like breath on a mirror. - The Doctor
Blue_Dream87 20 hours ago#20
Those communities are what happens when you become overly bitter about being rejected, and decide to blame the other side instead of owning up to your own issues and insecurities. The fact that they view relationships as a game of chess instead of something more natural is telling of their disposition.
DarthAragorn 20 hours ago#21
What the f*** are all these acronyms
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WaterLink 20 hours ago#22
Blue_Dream87 posted...
The fact that they view relationships as a game of chess instead of something more natural is telling of their disposition.

Probably means they're on the spectrum as well
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_Goggalor_ 20 hours ago#23
Anisoptera posted...
Their bitterness comes from somewhere. They tried and failed and don't think the effort for bettering themselves for validation is worth it. Let them find peace in living a fulfilling life without a love life.


Why "better" yourself for some chick who wants to be accepted no matter what? Ugly, fat ass women out here and they all think they're queens.
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Esrac 19 hours ago#24
Darmik posted...
https://archive.is/jKDk3

Sorry but you don't post and agree with that sorta s*** if your life is in a good place. It's not just about pick up techniques. It's the very belief that women aren't good people and it's okay to manipulate, use them and treat like them crap to make things equal.


Well, that's quite a read. 

Believing women aren't good people and that it's okay to manipulate them, etc. doesnt really discredit the notion that they can feel fulfilled with that kind of worldview. 

You seem to be conflating having a kind view of women with personal fulfillment. So what if they think it's okay to manipulate women for sex? I suspect the ones who've been successful at that feel some measure of fulfillment.
pinky0926 19 hours ago#25
Yungsnuggie's beatdown of the red pill when talking about money grubbing hoes in the NBA is one of the best things I've ever read on reddit. 

Read here, the bolded bit is the part I'm talking about:

https://www.reddit.com/r/nba/comments/1ulxb4/mormon_faith_more_important_to_jabari_parker_than/cejpqf8/?context=4
pinky0926 19 hours ago#26
Ghost_Of_Donkey posted...
It is funny because most MGTOW are not angry bitter virgins. Those are the TFLers. Like learning about gynocentrism, not marrying women, doing our own things and finding our meaning in our lives is not being women hating.


You guys stay strawmanning us. It is pretty f***ing sad.


It's not strawmanning when it's easy to find posts on any of these subs that prove the movement is filled with men who clearly think of women as organic sex objects.
awesome999 19 hours ago#27
Whose alt are you tc?
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Esrac 19 hours ago#28
pinky0926 posted...
Yungsnuggie's beatdown of the red pill when talking about money grubbing hoes in the NBA is one of the best things I've ever read on reddit. 

Read here, the bolded bit is the part I'm talking about:

https://www.reddit.com/r/nba/comments/1ulxb4/mormon_faith_more_important_to_jabari_parker_than/cejpqf8/?context=4


I laughed.
pinky0926 19 hours ago#29
DoctorVader posted...
These.

I feel like the hate CEman has towards them is way worse than whatever precieved hate they have towards women. Well at least red pill. It feels like there's always a lot of projecting going on here. 

I grew up in a pretty hoody area of NYC (all races) where this whole red pill philosophy or whatever is just fact within these communities. It's not hate for women, it's learning to identify legitimate issues women bring to the table and how to best deal with them and how to improve yourself.


The red pill successfully identified a problem and came up with a toxic solution to the problem, that's all it is. Sure, if your car is dirty and needs a service one solution to the problem would be to get rid of the car. No more servicing fees or needing to clean it every month. That doesn't mean it's the best solution, though.
Darmik 19 hours ago#30
Esrac posted...
Darmik posted...
https://archive.is/jKDk3

Sorry but you don't post and agree with that sorta s*** if your life is in a good place. It's not just about pick up techniques. It's the very belief that women aren't good people and it's okay to manipulate, use them and treat like them crap to make things equal.


Well, that's quite a read. 

Believing women aren't good people and that it's okay to manipulate them, etc. doesnt really discredit the notion that they can feel fulfilled with that kind of worldview. 

You seem to be conflating having a kind view of women with personal fulfillment. So what if they think it's okay to manipulate women for sex? I suspect the ones who've been successful at that feel some measure of fulfillment.


I personally suspect people who despise half the population and people they talk to everyday likely aren't living a very fulfilling life regardless if they're having sex or not. 

Here's a post that has countless examples. Nothing about them gives me the impression that they're a happy, well adjusted bunch.

https://www.reddit.com/r/TheBluePill/comments/2nj2ed/my_compilation_of_posts_on_why_trp_is_sexist_and/
Kind Regards,
Darmik
DoctorVader 19 hours ago#31
pinky0926 posted...
DoctorVader posted...
These.

I feel like the hate CEman has towards them is way worse than whatever precieved hate they have towards women. Well at least red pill. It feels like there's always a lot of projecting going on here. 

I grew up in a pretty hoody area of NYC (all races) where this whole red pill philosophy or whatever is just fact within these communities. It's not hate for women, it's learning to identify legitimate issues women bring to the table and how to best deal with them and how to improve yourself.


The red pill successfully identified a problem and came up with a toxic solution to the problem, that's all it is. Sure, if your car is dirty and needs a service one solution to the problem would be to get rid of the car. No more servicing fees or needing to clean it every month. That doesn't mean it's the best solution, though.

It's not a toxic solution. It's not even worse than whatever happens every day where millions of men f*** women and never speak to them again like it's completely acceptable.

What I said is exactly what yungnuggie is saying in your link. Everything I said, he said in his first part. That's a part of the whole red pill thing even if he denies the link to the actual reddit redpill community.

Go around Queens, The Bronx or Brooklyn and talk to the men there about women. They love women. They love their moms, sisters and daughters. But they'll also tell you s*** like "these b****es ain't loyal" or "women are crazy and manipulative" and give you similar strategies on how to play the game and use women. Just like women do the same with men with other women. It's not about hate nor disrespect. It's just how s*** is.

All mostly very successful with women. Just jaded by their negative experiences and of others to be very cautious. It's all a game out here and it's not far off from what you often see redpillers say, though I'll admit some are just on some next s*** and can't differentiate between hating women and being smart with them.
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Conflict 19 hours ago#32
pinky0926 posted...
Yungsnuggie's beatdown of the red pill when talking about money grubbing hoes in the NBA is one of the best things I've ever read on reddit. 

Read here, the bolded bit is the part I'm talking about:

https://www.reddit.com/r/nba/comments/1ulxb4/mormon_faith_more_important_to_jabari_parker_than/cejpqf8/?context=4


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pinky0926 19 hours ago#33
DoctorVader posted...
It's not a toxic solution. It's not even worse than whatever happens every day where millions of men f*** women and never speak to them again like it's completely acceptable.

What I said is exactly what yungnuggie is saying in your link. Everything I said, he said in his first part. That's a part of the whole red pill thing even if he denies the link to the actual reddit redpill community.

Go around Queens, The Bronx or Brooklyn and talk to the men there about women. They love women. They love their moms, sisters and daughters. But they'll also tell you s*** like "these b****es ain't loyal" or "women are crazy and manipulative" and give you similar strategies on how to play the game and use women. Just like women do the same with men with other women. It's not about hate nor disrespect. It's just how s*** is.

All mostly very successful with women. Just jaded by their negative experiences and of others to be very cautious. It's all a game out here and it's not far off from what you often see redpillers say, though I'll admit some are just on some next s*** and can't differentiate between hating women and being smart with them.


If your goal is to get laid and not deal with heartache, sure - isolating yourself emotionally and using women like a f***ing psychopath would is definitely *a* solution. 

It's incredibly toxic to decide that women are children, that they're incapable of love or genuine affection, that all they will do is use you, and that the best course of action is to just take what you want and f*** the rest. It's toxic to use this as the basis for all your interactions with S.Os moving forward. And telling me that s*** in the ghetto is bad is not a good basis for an argument. Of course there are women who use you, of course relationships are somewhat transactional. Of course we all play the game to a degree. But abandoning all respect for anyone with a vagina and treating them like subhumans is a terrible way to go about life. 

See, obviously it works. Some of the redpill theory is wrapped up in solid advice that definitely works for people. Hit the gym, groom better, dress better, have some self-respect and don't do anything and everything for p****. That is solid advice. And if you follow the red pill theory as a lonely virgin, chances are your sex life will improve on this basis. Guy's who have never had any luck feel that they've stumbled on the cheat code for life. Where it gets dangerous is when the echo chamber redpill community encourages you to just take whatever you want from women. I mean look at Darmik's post. That guy's takeaway was that he should basically try and rape his girlfriend until she liked it. I could find countless examples from that sub that encouraged people to destroy their marriages all on the basis that women are whores. 

That's how f***ed up the thinking is, because it teaches you that women are liars and need to be bent to your will.
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DoctorVader 18 hours ago#34
pinky0926 posted...
If your goal is to get laid and not deal with heartache, sure - isolating yourself emotionally and using women like a f***ing psychopath would is definitely *a* solution.

You put too much stock in feelings when getting laid. Men don't really give a f*** what happens to the chick. As if all dudes aren't somehow manipulating things just to get p****. Sounds really white knighty.

pinky0926 posted...
It's incredibly toxic to decide that women are children, that they're incapable of love or genuine affection, that all they will do is use you, and that the best course of action is to just take what you want and f*** the rest. It's toxic to use this as the basis for all your interactions with S.Os moving forward. And telling me that s*** in the ghetto is bad is not a good basis for an argument. Of course there are women who use you, of course relationships are somewhat transactional. Of course we all play the game to a degree. But abandoning all respect for anyone with a vagina and treating them like subhumans is a terrible way to go about life. 

It's not really all that and I'm saying it's normal. Whether you like it or think it's ok or not is not the concern. I'm saying these people are labeled as lonely rejected virgins, when IRL it's really people of all shades and lifestyles, many times the most successful with women.

pinky0926 posted...
See, obviously it works. Some of the redpill theory is wrapped up in solid advice that definitely works for people. Hit the gym, groom better, dress better, have some self-respect and don't do anything and everything for p****. That is solid advice. And if you follow the red pill theory as a lonely virgin, chances are your sex life will improve on this basis.

This is what I'm saying except that last part. It can work for anyone.

pinky0926 posted...
Where it gets dangerous is when the echo chamber redpill encourages you to just take whatever you want from women. I mean look at Darmik's post. That guy's takeaway was that he should basically try and rape his girlfriend until she liked it. I could find countless examples from that sub that encouraged people to destroy their marriages all on the basis that women are whores. 

That's how f***ed up the thinking is, because it teaches you that women are liars and need to be bent to your will.

This is where the "some not knowing the difference between hating and being smart" comes in and you guys cherry picking the weirdos. There's 200k people on there dude.
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Romulox28 18 hours ago#37
best part of r/redpill is when those guys write these fantasy stories about how they went to a club and used redpill phrases to pick up chicks

it always contains dubious information about clubs/bars/etc that shows the writer has a very tenuous grasp of how these places work, cheesy one liners, and then there is always a two girl combo of a hot girl and her fat friend who is looking to defeat redpillers (but not today, fatty!)
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pinky0926 18 hours ago#38
DoctorVader posted...
You put too much stock in feelings when getting laid. Men don't really give a f*** what happens to the chick. As if all dudes aren't somehow manipulating things just to get p****. Sounds really white knighty.


No, my general argument is "treat people with basic human dignity and respect regardless of your motivations or whether they have a vagina". If that's now what we think as white knighty behaviour then something is really f***ing wrong here. 

pinky0926 posted...
It's not really all that and I'm saying it's normal. Whether you like it or think it's ok or not is not the concern. I'm saying these people are labeled as lonely rejected virgins, when IRL it's really people of all shades and lifestyles, many times the most successful with women.


I have no doubt that many people on the red pill are not lonely rejected virgins. I think it certainly attracts lonely rejected virgins, however. My point was that regardless of how "successful" you are with women (and that kind of thinking is part of the problem in the first place), treating women as subhuman so that you can f*** them more easily is garbage behaviour. 

pinky0926 posted...
This is what I'm saying except that last part. It can work for anyone.


My argument here is it's a terrible solution, not that it doesn't work at all. 

pinky0926 posted...
This is where the "some not knowing the difference between hating and being smart" comes in and you guys cherry picking the weirdos. There's 200k people on there dude.


More like cherry harvesting at this point. If the fundamental principles of your movement/community/lifehacks betray that you don't think women are worthy of respect, that's wrapped up in all kinds of misogyny. 

Notice the (not) subtle difference between these two statements:

1) You need to stand up for yourself and not do anything a woman tells you 
2) You need to stand up for yourself and not do anything a woman tells you because all women are whores and not to be trusted

That's the difference between being smart and being red pill.
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DoctorVader 17 hours ago#39
pinky0926 posted...
No, my general argument is "treat people with basic human dignity and respect regardless of your motivations or whether they have a vagina". If that's now what we think of white knighty behaviour then something is really f***ing wrong here.

Lol, sometimes people don't have time for the drama or attached strings. Redpill doesn't say act like a psychopath. You're either exaggerating or just ignorant on what's really said.

pinky0926 posted...
I have no doubt that many people on the red pill are not lonely rejected virgins. I think it certainly attracts lonely rejected virgins, however. My point was that regardless of how "successful" you are with women (and that kind of thinking is part of the problem in the first place), treating women as subhuman so that you can f*** them more easily is garbage behaviour.

You seem to have this skewed view of the place that's not really correct.

pinky0926 posted...
My argument here is it's a terrible solution, not that it doesn't work at all.

It's not a terrible solution because it's normal and getting pissed at a group talking about obvious stuff is weird and stupid.

pinky0926 posted...
More like cherry harvesting at this point. If the fundamental principles of your movement/community/lifehacks betray that you don't think women are worthy of respect, that's wrapped up in all kinds of misogyny. 

Notice the (not) subtle difference between these two statements:

1) You need to stand up for yourself and not do anything a woman tells you 
2) You need to stand up for yourself and not do anything a woman tells you because all women are whores and not to be trusted

That's the difference between being smart and being red pill.

Again, you seem to have a biased and bitter view of the place based off the limited things you've read when there's 200k people on there with hundreds of thousands of topics.

As I said, some are unhinged and go the extreme but most don't. It's not as colorful and exaggerated as you make it sound. I feel like that place bothers you for some reason.
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Solar_Crimson 17 hours ago#40
pinky0926 17 hours ago#41
DoctorVader posted...
Lol, sometimes people don't have time for the drama or attached strings. Redpill doesn't say act like a psychopath. You're either exaggerating or just ignorant on what's really said.


DT, or Dark Triad - A combination of three personality traits: Narcissism, Machiavellianism, and Psychopathy. An effective short-term sexual strategy. More in-depth information here.

I took that straight from the red pill glossary of terms. It links you to a site on how to emulate this behaviour as a strategy. 
https://www.reddit.com/r/TheRedPill/comments/2zckqu/updated_glossary_of_terms_and_acronyms/

So no, not ignorant or exaggerating. Literally this is a thing. 


You seem to have this skewed view of the place that's not really correct.


Nah, I think I'm pretty spot on. 

They use all sorts of acronyms like "plates" and "hamsters" that help dehumanise the object of your desire. I say object, because at this point it's pretty clear that there's a significant strain in this thinking that women aren't even really human on the same level that men are. 

They have theories like "dark triad" (as above), which literally encourages you to adopt narcissistic and psychopathic traits as a strategy. 

They openly encourage emotional abuse like gaslighting and "dread game" as a tactic of control. I mean you find threads on there discussing the implications of gaslighting and "if" it's a bad idea or not. Really, "if"?

The entire rhetoric is focused around this idea that women are these wild irrational animals that you need to tame to get what you want from them. 

It's not a terrible solution because it's normal and getting pissed at a group talking about obvious stuff is weird and stupid.


My issue isn't that I think the problem isn't real. My issue is the entire strategy for dealing with the problem is misguided at best, dangerous at worst. 

Again, you seem to have a biased and bitter view of the place based off the limited things you've read when there's 200k people on there with hundreds of thousands of topics.

As I said, some are unhinged and go the extreme but most don't. It's not as colorful and exaggerated as you make it sound. I feel like that place bothers you for some reason.


It bothers me a lot because I think some of the advice it puts down is downright dangerous and disturbing.

And you saying "but there are 200k people, some are bad, some are good" doesn't really help as an argument when I'm talking about the source material. It's not cherry picking when you go onto the front page and look at all the top posts and see a general theme. It's not cherry picking when you can find posts from the lead moderator saying that women are children (https://archive.is/Tip7V). It's not cherry picking when you're referring straight from the wiki and theory reading on the sidebar to find that the entire premise is on the basis that women are liars and manipulative by nature (https://therationalmale.com/2011/12/27/women-in-love/).
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Twinmold 17 hours ago#42
Lmao, this topic just proves there's plenty of crossover between CE and Redpill. Explains the rampant misogyny and bitterness from the neckbeards around here.
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Godnorgosh 17 hours ago#43
While I can understand their frustration (because I've experienced it myself and still do), some of these people aren't very good at handling it without lashing out at women or jumping to insane conclusions about them, as if men aren't guilty of the same stuff.

I think we should seek to understand people's frustration with their sex lives or dating lives and treat them with compassion while also making clear that these attitudes aren't okay and won't help them actually solve their problems.
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Dabrikishaw15 17 hours ago#44
Sadly yes, TC.
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pinky0926 17 hours ago#45
Godnorgosh posted...
While I can understand their frustration (because I've experienced it myself and still do), some of these people aren't very good at handling it without lashing out at women or jumping to insane conclusions about them, as if men aren't guilty of the same stuff.

I think we should seek to understand people's frustration with their sex lives or dating lives and treat them with compassion while also making clear that these attitudes aren't okay and won't help them actually solve their problems.



ding ding ding! 

It should be pretty straightforward. If you've been emotionally abused, manipulated and controlled - the solution is to not allow that to happen to you again, and to surround yourself with better people. The solution should not be to just get better at being manipulative and controlling and abusive than the people who wronged you.
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Twinmold 17 hours ago#46
Godnorgosh posted...

I think we should seek to understand people's frustration with their sex lives or dating lives and treat them with compassion while also making clear that these attitudes aren't okay and won't help them actually solve their problems.

We aren't there moms. It's better to just point and laugh, because you can't help these people, but you can help remind them that we think they're unrespectable trash so they stay inside. The smart ones will figure it out, and f*** the rest.
Get your facts first, then you can distort them as you please. - Mark Twain
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CruorComa 17 hours ago#47
Twinmold posted...
Godnorgosh posted...

I think we should seek to understand people's frustration with their sex lives or dating lives and treat them with compassion while also making clear that these attitudes aren't okay and won't help them actually solve their problems.

We aren't there moms. It's better to just point and laugh, because you can't help these people, but you can help remind them that we think they're unrespectable trash so they stay inside. The smart ones will figure it out, and f*** the rest.


As long as we can do the same to fat chicks.
If you have a problem with potheads, throw your computer out the window. Why should you be able leech off the creativity of those you condemn?
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Conflict 17 hours ago#48
Twinmold posted...
Godnorgosh posted...

I think we should seek to understand people's frustration with their sex lives or dating lives and treat them with compassion while also making clear that these attitudes aren't okay and won't help them actually solve their problems.

We aren't there moms. It's better to just point and laugh, because you can't help these people, but you can help remind them that we think they're unrespectable trash so they stay inside. The smart ones will figure it out, and f*** the rest.


This is a bad post, and I'm someone who usually mocks hardcore redpillers/'nice guys'.
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Like gunfire
SuperBaller 16 hours ago#49
WaterLink posted...
Blue_Dream87 posted...
The fact that they view relationships as a game of chess instead of something more natural is telling of their disposition.

Probably means they're on the spectrum as well
DoctorVader 16 hours ago#50
@pinky0926

I don't know about all the deeper DT stuff you're talking about. I meant something like telling a chick you're down for a relationship and then ghosting her after sex. I'm going by just everyday posts I've been seeing for years. It's not mostly the stuff you're talking about. It's mostly about staying aware and people's negative experiences and trying to get advice on it. You take the good and flush the rest.

My point has been more that it's just normal s***. People underestimate the amount of men that think like this by several magnitudes. That it's far from just losers or neckbeards. That's why I made my OP. Because the aggression is always towards the latter group, which makes me question if people are just sheltered or just don't know other none-neckbeard males.

I agree that people are far too impressionable to the internet today and that someone that can't filter it can take the wrong s*** from it, but it's not that serious imo.
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    averagejoel 16 hours ago#51
    it's incredibly ironic that "red pill", a phrase from a movie made by two transgender women as an allegory for being transgender, was turned into an excuse to hate women
    peanut butter and dick
    pinky0926 16 hours ago#52
    DoctorVader posted...
    @pinky0926

    I don't know about all the deeper DT stuff you're talking about. I meant something like telling a chick you're down for a relationship and then ghosting her after sex. I'm going by just everyday posts I've been seeing for years. It's not mostly the stuff you're talking about. It's mostly about staying aware and people's negative experiences and trying to get advice on it. You take the good and flush the rest.

    My point has been more that it's just normal s***. People underestimate the amount of men that think like this by several magnitudes. That it's far from just losers or neckbeards. That's why I made my OP. Because the aggression is always towards the latter group, which makes me question if people are just sheltered or just don't know other none-neckbeard males.

    I agree that people are far too impressionable to the internet today and that someone that can't filter it can take the wrong s*** from it, but it's not that serious imo.


    Right, but telling a woman you're down for a relationship and then ghosting after sex is just the same old s***ty thing guys have been doing since forever. It's weird to give that an entire scientific sounding theory to try and justify it and then build an internet community and movement around that, complete with strategies and acronyms and guides on how best to f*** with people. That display a certain level of anti-social behaviour I honestly find unsettling.

    I think the aggression you're talking about comes from the fact that this community does nothing to denounce all the "deeper DT stuff". It welcomes and encourages it, and is therefore completely valid to criticise. You don't see people going "woah bro, we're just here to step up our sex life, not manipulate women". Manipulating women is the entire point of theredpill, even if different subsets of the community apparently draw the line at different levels of straight up emotional abuse. 

    I really don't care if the dude I'm talking about is wearing a fedora or was on the cover of Mens Fitness magazine. I'm not going to respect the ideas being put down there.

    If lying to women about a potential relationship just so you can f*** her is your game, then own it. But don't come at me like it's totally fine and not a problem or a bad thing to do.
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    Milo_Yiannopous 16 hours ago#53
    awesome999 posted...
    Whose alt are you tc?


    Why is that important?
    OpheliaAdenade 16 hours ago#54
    The trick to detecting a redpiller is just to tell them you're waiting for marriage. :u If they lose all interest, you know they're just after the sex.
    Milo_Yiannopous 16 hours ago#55
    OpheliaAdenade posted...
    The trick to detecting a redpiller is just to tell them you're waiting for marriage. :u If they lose all interest, you know they're just after the sex.


    I don't think the only people interested in sex are red pillars.
    DoctorVader 16 hours ago#56
    pinky0926 posted...
    Right, but telling a woman you're down for a relationship and then ghosting after sex is just the same old s***ty thing guys have been doing since forever. It's weird to give that an entire scientific sounding theory to try and justify it and then build an internet community and movement around that, complete with strategies and acronyms and guides on how best to f*** with people. That display a certain level of anti-social behaviour I honestly find unsettling.

    But it's not just that. You're going backwards now.

    pinky0926 posted...
    I think the aggression you're talking about comes from the fact that this community does nothing to denounce all the "deeper DT stuff". It welcomes and encourages it, and is therefore completely valid to criticise. You don't see people going "woah bro, we're just here to step up our sex life, not manipulate women". Manipulating women is the entire point of theredpill, even if different subsets of the community apparently draw the line at different levels of straight up emotional abuse.

    Reread my post.

    pinky0926 posted...
    I really don't care if the dude I'm talking about is wearing a fedora or was on the cover of Mens Fitness magazine. I'm not going to respect the ideas being put down there.

    Ok, so then my OP was not meant for you then.

    pinky0926 posted...
    If lying to women about a potential relationship just so you can f*** her is your game, then own it. But don't come at me like it's totally fine and not a problem or a bad thing to do.

    Oh shut up.
    It all just disappears, doesn't it? Everything you are, gone in a moment, like breath on a mirror. - The Doctor
    OpheliaAdenade 16 hours ago#57
    Milo_Yiannopous posted...
    OpheliaAdenade posted...
    The trick to detecting a redpiller is just to tell them you're waiting for marriage. :u If they lose all interest, you know they're just after the sex.


    I don't think the only people interested in sex are red pillars.


    What kind of man doesn't respect a woman trying to protect her virtue? A redpiller, that's who.
    pinky0926 16 hours ago#58
    DoctorVader posted...
    But it's not just that. You're going backwards now.


    Dude, no matter how many positives you can find in red pill theory, the basis of it is "how to manipulate women better than they manipulate you". There's no coming back from that. Either you think that's cool or you don't. 

    Reread my post.


    It's far from "normal s***" to form an entire theory and community around the premise of how to f*** with people most effectively.

    Yeah, I get what you're trying to say. "People don't realise that it's not just loser neckbeards, lots of regular dudes act this way". But you're not listening to what I'm saying: nobody should act this way, and it should not be normal, or encouraged, or casually dismissed just because "lots of dudes do it". 

    I called you out


    if you're gonna proudly state that you use women for sex, I'm gonna call you out on that. Don't post things and then get mad when people comment on it.
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    DoctorVader 16 hours ago#59
    pinky0926 posted...
    Dude, no matter how many positives you can find in red pill theory, the basis of it is "how to manipulate women better than they manipulate you". There's no coming back from that. Either you think that's cool or you don't. 

    Ok

    pinky0926 posted...
    It's far from "normal s***" to form an entire theory and community around the premise of how to f*** with people most effectively.

    Yeah, I get what you're trying to say. "People don't realise that it's not just loser neckbeards, lots of regular dudes act this way". But you're not listening to what I'm saying: nobody should act this way, and it should not be normal, or encouraged, or casually dismissed just because "lots of dudes do it".

    Again, reread my post. Third time's the charm.

    pinky0926 posted...
    if you're gonna proudly state that you use women for sex, I'm gonna call you out on that. Don't post things and then get mad when people comment on it.

    Lol, I never said I do that. Regardless, you're taking this too seriously and acting too sensitive and need to cut the dramatics that's why I told you to shut up. You didn't call me out on anything.
    It all just disappears, doesn't it? Everything you are, gone in a moment, like breath on a mirror. - The Doctor
    M_Live 16 hours ago#60
    GameofWheels posted...
    feeling sympathetic to many red pillers.

    No, it is impossible to feel bad for those people & their disgusting outlook on the world.
    DKFjalfe 16 hours ago#61
    Twinmold posted...
    Godnorgosh posted...

    I think we should seek to understand people's frustration with their sex lives or dating lives and treat them with compassion while also making clear that these attitudes aren't okay and won't help them actually solve their problems.

    We aren't there moms. It's better to just point and laugh, because you can't help these people, but you can help remind them that we think they're unrespectable trash so they stay inside. The smart ones will figure it out, and f*** the rest.

    This guy gets it
    OpheliaAdenade 16 hours ago#62
    I think doctor vader is a redpiller. :v
    Solid Sonic 16 hours ago#63
    Did "redpill" come from something besides The Matrix? Because that's what my mind leaps to every time (contextually it makes sense, I just want to be sure that I not living in a narrow pool of social references).
    DorkLink said I could borrow his signature so I did (see below):
    pinky0926 15 hours ago#64
    Solid Sonic posted...
    Did "redpill" come from something besides The Matrix? Because that's what my mind leaps to every time (contextually it makes sense, I just want to be sure that I not living in a narrow pool of social references).


    That's what it comes from. Essentially they feel they're woke to a reality that most people don't experience or see.
    Solid Sonic 15 hours ago#65
    That I understood, I just thought maybe The Matrix was making literal an existing turn of phrase that I hadn't heard of prior to watching it.
    DorkLink said I could borrow his signature so I did (see below):
    Teddytalks 15 hours ago#66
    OpheliaAdenade posted...
    Milo_Yiannopous posted...
    OpheliaAdenade posted...
    The trick to detecting a redpiller is just to tell them you're waiting for marriage. :u If they lose all interest, you know they're just after the sex.


    I don't think the only people interested in sex are red pillars.


    What kind of man doesn't respect a woman trying to protect her virtue? A redpiller, that's who.


    A man can respect it, doesn't mean he have to deal with it. Don't know anybody who would wait that long.
    OpheliaAdenade 15 hours ago#67
    Teddytalks posted...
    A man can respect it, doesn't mean he have to deal with it. Don't know anybody who would wait that long.


    You don't know very many decent men then. :u
    Asherlee10 15 hours ago#68
    Kudos Pinky. I 100% agree with your posts here.
    "Opinions should be a result of a thought, not a substitute for it."
    Number39 15 hours ago#69
    it's easy for pinky to speak when he lives the life that most TRPers want naturally

    don't ruin it for the rest of them
    Luna Post.
    Asherlee10 15 hours ago#70
    Number39 posted...
    it's easy for pinky to speak when he lives the life that most TRPers want naturally

    don't ruin it for the rest of them


    That isn't an excuse, though. 

    Most people are generally attractive. With a little effort, most people are datable.
    "Opinions should be a result of a thought, not a substitute for it."
    Asherlee10 posted...
    Number39 posted...
    it's easy for pinky to speak when he lives the life that most TRPers want naturally

    don't ruin it for the rest of them


    That isn't an excuse, though. 

    Most people are generally attractive. With a little effort, most people are datable.

    Lol no they are not

    This is generally attractive.
    tGqAgjB


    THIS is not most people. If you don't look like this, you are not date able based on looks alone.
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    Asherlee10 15 hours ago#72
    LookMoneyStatus posted...
    Asherlee10 posted...
    Number39 posted...
    it's easy for pinky to speak when he lives the life that most TRPers want naturally

    don't ruin it for the rest of them


    That isn't an excuse, though. 

    Most people are generally attractive. With a little effort, most people are datable.

    Lol no they are not

    This is generally attractive.
    tGqAgjB


    THIS is not most people


    No, that is EXCEPTIONALLY attractive. That isn't even close to a norm.

    Most people who care about their appearance are attractive. That means not being fat, exercising a little, and dressing well.
    "Opinions should be a result of a thought, not a substitute for it."
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    legendary_zell 15 hours ago#73
    I love how CE will defend these guys but feminists are dismissed out of hand and anyone who defends them is a white knight. No bias there at all.
    OpheliaAdenade 14 hours ago#74
    legendary_zell posted...
    I love how CE will defend these guys but feminists are dismissed out of hand and anyone who defends them is a white knight. No bias there at all.
    Twinmold 14 hours ago#75
    Don't talk to Look Money Status. Being a bitterbeard is his entire gimmick, and I honestly believe he hates those types of people and imitates them to mock them.
    Get your facts first, then you can distort them as you please. - Mark Twain
    Asherlee10 posted...
    LookMoneyStatus posted...
    Asherlee10 posted...
    Number39 posted...
    it's easy for pinky to speak when he lives the life that most TRPers want naturally

    don't ruin it for the rest of them


    That isn't an excuse, though. 

    Most people are generally attractive. With a little effort, most people are datable.

    Lol no they are not

    This is generally attractive.
    tGqAgjB


    THIS is not most people


    No, that is EXCEPTIONALLY attractive. That isn't even close to a norm.

    Most people who care about their appearance are attractive. That means not being fat, exercising a little, and dressing well.

    Cope. If you are not exceptionally attractive, you aren't dating based on looks alone

    End of story. A haircut and grooming doesn't make you as good as THIS. You could exercise, dress well and STILL Be unattractive. Why? Due to facial features. Long philtrum, weak jaw, receding chin, big nose, over eyelid exposure,big ears,etc
    foreveraIone 14 hours ago#77
    legendary_zell posted...
    I love how CE will defend these guys but feminists are dismissed out of hand and anyone who defends them is a white knight. No bias there at all.

    https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-ZpE6xMoPRVI/VrQqJHNWORI/AAAAAAAAAEk/wFu26OdSN0U/s1600/StrawMan2.jpg
    I'm going to be bold, and I dare someone to challenge me on this statement

    IF YOU DONT HAVE MODEL QUALITIES, YOU ARE NOT ATTRACTIVE LOOKING
    End of story. It's either be ugly, be average, or be attractive.
    Also, clothes don't have that big of an impact on looks compared to facial structure.

    Why? Lets point this out. The guy in the pic is wearing a simple shirt. So if that guy is wearing just a basic tee, why would any other person be "generally" attractive from better looking clothes?

    It just points out that the FACE is most important. Height is next(imo). Not Clothes, Not haircuts, FACE
    Asherlee10 14 hours ago#80
    LookMoneyStatus posted...
    Cope. If you are not exceptionally attractive, you aren't dating based on looks alone

    End of story. A haircut and grooming doesn't make you as good as THIS. You could exercise, dress well and STILL Be unattractive. Why? Due to facial features. Long philtrum, weak jaw, receding chin, big nose, over eyelid exposure,big ears,etc


    No, you clearly have some deep-seated issues with this topic. You're under the impression that unless your face is a 9/10 or 10/10 you're undatable and that's just plain ignorant. 

    There is absolutely nothing wrong with average attractiveness, which is what most people are. A person's average attractiveness can be improved with a little effort, too.
    "Opinions should be a result of a thought, not a substitute for it."
    Asherlee10 14 hours ago#81
    Twinmold posted...
    Don't talk to Look Money Status. Being a bitterbeard is his entire gimmick, and I honestly believe he hates those types of people and imitates them to mock them.


    Yeah, that much is clear.
    "Opinions should be a result of a thought, not a substitute for it."
    Twinmold posted...
    Don't talk to Look Money Status. Being a bitterbeard is his entire gimmick, and I honestly believe he hates those types of people and imitates them to mock them.

    Everything I say is true though. The only way to date if you aren't a model, is if you have lots of $$$$ or status to compensate. In terms of true looks, people will always fail. Why?

    Because women will go for the best of the best in terms of men. If not for their pure genetics, then for $$$ which provides financial STABILITY

    Average people cannot get women or have sex purely from their looks

    Grooming and taking care of yourself provides little boost in ratings to make you look like a chad or good looking!
    averagejoel 14 hours ago#83
    LookMoneyStatus posted...
    Twinmold posted...
    Don't talk to Look Money Status. Being a bitterbeard is his entire gimmick, and I honestly believe he hates those types of people and imitates them to mock them.

    Everything I say is true though. The only way to date if you aren't a model, is if you have lots of $$$$ or status to compensate. In terms of true looks, people will always fail. Why?

    Because women will go for the best of the best in terms of men. If not for their pure genetics, then for $$$ which provides financial STABILITY

    Average people cannot get women or have sex purely from their looks

    Grooming and taking care of yourself provides little boost in ratings to make you look like a chad or good looking!

    so why do people think they're entitled to someone else's body?
    peanut butter and dick
    Asherlee10 posted...
    LookMoneyStatus posted...
    Cope. If you are not exceptionally attractive, you aren't dating based on looks alone

    End of story. A haircut and grooming doesn't make you as good as THIS. You could exercise, dress well and STILL Be unattractive. Why? Due to facial features. Long philtrum, weak jaw, receding chin, big nose, over eyelid exposure,big ears,etc


    No, you clearly have some deep-seated issues with this topic. You're under the impression that unless your face is a 9/10 or 10/10 you're undatable and that's just plain ignorant. 

    There is absolutely nothing wrong with average attractiveness, which is what most people are. A person's average attractiveness can be improved with a little effort, too.

    I think that people who aren't models are undatable unless they have lots of $$$ to compensate. Or status.

    Average attractiveness is something women hate! Because most women despise men who don't fit the good looking 6 foot chad or male model that movies like to praise. In 2017 and up, women have little reason to go with normal guys, when they can go for the best of the best. Also, there are limits to improving. 

    For example: You can't improve your height or facial structure normally. Both of these are EXTREMELY IMPORTANT for attractiveness.
    averagejoel posted...
    LookMoneyStatus posted...
    Twinmold posted...
    Don't talk to Look Money Status. Being a bitterbeard is his entire gimmick, and I honestly believe he hates those types of people and imitates them to mock them.

    Everything I say is true though. The only way to date if you aren't a model, is if you have lots of $$$$ or status to compensate. In terms of true looks, people will always fail. Why?

    Because women will go for the best of the best in terms of men. If not for their pure genetics, then for $$$ which provides financial STABILITY

    Average people cannot get women or have sex purely from their looks

    Grooming and taking care of yourself provides little boost in ratings to make you look like a chad or good looking!

    so why do people think they're entitled to someone else's body?

    Because men are raised in a generation where being a virgin or not having a GF means that you are completely and utterly pathetic. Society essentially looks down on men who are unable to get a partner.
    And to add on, women also have a cheat code for attractiveness. They can easily boost up with make up, and it's acceptable to do so. 

    Guys don't really have that same luxury. Most guys can't wear makeup or do what they can to hide their flaws without getting called out or insulted for it.
    averagejoel 14 hours ago#87
    LookMoneyStatus posted...
    averagejoel posted...
    LookMoneyStatus posted...
    Twinmold posted...
    Don't talk to Look Money Status. Being a bitterbeard is his entire gimmick, and I honestly believe he hates those types of people and imitates them to mock them.

    Everything I say is true though. The only way to date if you aren't a model, is if you have lots of $$$$ or status to compensate. In terms of true looks, people will always fail. Why?

    Because women will go for the best of the best in terms of men. If not for their pure genetics, then for $$$ which provides financial STABILITY

    Average people cannot get women or have sex purely from their looks

    Grooming and taking care of yourself provides little boost in ratings to make you look like a chad or good looking!

    so why do people think they're entitled to someone else's body?

    Because men are raised in a generation where being a virgin or not having a GF means that you are completely and utterly pathetic. Society essentially looks down on men who are unable to get a partner.

    ok

    so instead of sympathizing with their toxic attitudes, work on combatting those societal problems. simple
    peanut butter and dick
    Asherlee10 14 hours ago#88
    LookMoneyStatus posted...
    I think that people who aren't models are undatable unless they have lots of $$$ to compensate. Or status.


    Nothing else needs to be read about your opinion this matter once you've stated this.

    This is just absolutely wrong and absurd.
    "Opinions should be a result of a thought, not a substitute for it."
    averagejoel posted...
    LookMoneyStatus posted...
    averagejoel posted...
    LookMoneyStatus posted...
    Twinmold posted...
    Don't talk to Look Money Status. Being a bitterbeard is his entire gimmick, and I honestly believe he hates those types of people and imitates them to mock them.

    Everything I say is true though. The only way to date if you aren't a model, is if you have lots of $$$$ or status to compensate. In terms of true looks, people will always fail. Why?

    Because women will go for the best of the best in terms of men. If not for their pure genetics, then for $$$ which provides financial STABILITY

    Average people cannot get women or have sex purely from their looks

    Grooming and taking care of yourself provides little boost in ratings to make you look like a chad or good looking!

    so why do people think they're entitled to someone else's body?

    Because men are raised in a generation where being a virgin or not having a GF means that you are completely and utterly pathetic. Society essentially looks down on men who are unable to get a partner.

    ok

    so instead of sympathizing with their toxic attitudes, work on combatting those societal problems. simple

    That would work if men could go on a drug that helps get rid of their attraction to the opposite sex. that way, they won't have any feelings or physical attraction for women, and would not care.

    The other would be based on willpower and going through lots of experiences to the point where they become angry and swear off all women.
    Asherlee10 posted...
    LookMoneyStatus posted...
    I think that people who aren't models are undatable unless they have lots of $$$ to compensate. Or status.


    Nothing else needs to be read about your opinion this matter once you've stated this.

    This is just absolutely wrong and absurd.

    I don't know any woman who is going to want to stay with a guy who doesn't have financial stability.
    JadeBaby 14 hours ago#91
    MGTOW is just comedy relief for me. Couldn't learn the game so they stop playing instead of improving. I've seen some of the ugliest men with the most gorgeous women and understand confidence is a major part of that.
    Would've, could've, should've. Would of, should of, and could of ARE INCORRECT!!!!
    JadeBaby posted...
    MGTOW is just comedy relief for me. Couldn't learn the game so they stop playing instead of improving. I've seen some of the ugliest men with the most gorgeous women and understand confidence is a major part of that.

    9XH95sK
    tennisdude818 14 hours ago#93
    People may be overestimating how many of these guys are neckbeards vs. divorced men who have been f***ed over by the family court system.
    "Socialism in general has a record of failure so blatant that only an intellectual could ignore or evade it." -Thomas Sowell
    tennisdude818 posted...
    People may be overestimating how many of these guys are neckbeards vs. divorced men who have been f***ed over by the family court system.

    This a lot of them are divorced guys who woke to the reality that women get into relationships for status or money not love
    Being a women is the hardest thing in za warudo They are soooooo oppressed
    OpheliaAdenade 14 hours ago#95
    assassingriskel posted...
    tennisdude818 posted...
    People may be overestimating how many of these guys are neckbeards vs. divorced men who have been f***ed over by the family court system.

    This a lot of them are divorced guys who woke to the reality that women get into relationships for status or money not love


    <_<
    Twinmold 14 hours ago#96
    GameFAQS:

    Can't beat a game? OMG! Git gud scrub! It's not the game's fault you suck!

    Can't attract a woman? OMG! Women are evil and shallow! None of this is my fault! Why is life so unfair to men like me!?

    This a lot of them are divorced guys who woke to the reality that women get into relationships for status or money not love

    Why are so many users in a rush to let everyone know they've had zero success with the ladies?
    Get your facts first, then you can distort them as you please. - Mark Twain
    (edited 14 hours ago)reportquote
    Twinmold posted...
    GameFAQS:

    Can't beat a game? OMG! Git gud scrub! It's not the game's fault you suck!

    Can't attract a woman? OMG! Women are evil and shallow! None of this is my fault! Why is life so unfair to men like me!?

    There is always a strategy to beat a game. And even one strategy can work for every person or for a majority of people

    Attracting women has several different factors beyond our control.
    Twinmold posted...
    GameFAQS:

    Can't beat a game? OMG! Git gud scrub! It's not the game's fault you suck!

    Can't attract a woman? OMG! Women are evil and shallow! None of this is my fault! Why is life so unfair to men like me!?

    This a lot of them are divorced guys who woke to the reality that women get into relationships for status or money not love

    Why are so many users in a rush to let everyone know they've had zero success with the ladies?

    If you can't accept reality that's on you not me
    Being a women is the hardest thing in za warudo They are soooooo oppressed
    philsov 13 hours ago#99
    LookMoneyStatus posted...
    There is always a strategy to beat a game.


    MGTOW is literally doing it Wargames style and dropping out.
    Remember that I won't rest, 'til we share the same tense
    Just know, to me, you're better late than never again.
    pinky0926 12 hours ago#100
    Number39 posted...
    it's easy for pinky to speak when he lives the life that most TRPers want naturally

    don't ruin it for the rest of them


    Who would have thought that taking care of yourself, working out, working on your sense of style, putting yourself out there, making an effort to better understand what dating is like for women, pursuing a career, following your passions, constantly trying and learning to be a better guy all round...who would have guessed that eventually you'd start becoming a more appealing dating prospect?

    Nah, better sit in my room in my cargo shorts and blame women and my lack of god-given alpha personality for my involuntary celibacy.

    Thing is, you say these things like I don't know what it's like. Do you know why I get fired up about these topics? It's not because it's always been easy. The complete opposite. Here's me at 19 (far right):

    uUiolf1

    Do you think that pinky was drowning in p****? Or do you think maybe that pinky was every girl's "harmless friend", starved of affection and trying to figure out why...
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      Number39 12 hours ago#101
      pinky0926 posted...
      Do you think that pinky was drowning in p****?

      how tall were you
      Luna Post.
      pinky0926 12 hours ago#102
      Number39 posted...
      pinky0926 posted...
      Do you think that pinky was drowning in p****?

      how tall were you


      6ft1. Trust me, being slightly above average height is not much of a help when 1) your skin is terrible 2) you're in terrible shape 3) your hair is terrible 4) your clothes are terrible 5) you have unrealistic and misguided attitudes towards dating. 

      For reference, my best mate euan is 5ft8 and very young looking, and he was surrounded in girls ever since he was 12. There's more to life than height.
      ArchiePeck posted...
      They seem very angry and bitter people, viewing relationships as some sort of formulated puzzle to solve and get the best high score in rather than a natural fun part of life.

      That's definitely the vibe I get. They see relationships as a literal game with rules. "I did X, Y, and Z and she still hasn't fallen for me yet. What the hell?"
      SIG SIG SIG SIG SIG SIG SIG SIG SIG SIG SIG SIG SIG SIG SIG SIG SIG SIG SIG SlG SIG SIG SIG SIG SIG SIG SIG SIG SIG SIG SIG SIG SIG SIG SlG
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      EbonTitanium 11 hours ago#104
      I remember RedPillPhilosophy from Youtube. Such a douche.
      I don't know which is worse: fanboys or elitist.
      Vyrulisse 11 hours ago#105
      https://www.reddit.com/r/IncelReddit/

      I look at everything a woman says and I think, "Not a single thought of hers is original, but rather an amalgamation of what pop culture has taught her, filtered through her own construct of what she considers the 'self', but that, too, is a product of the pop culture."
      They're so dumb, so lacking in anything good... other than T&A. Smart men have obviously realized you can "tap" into her hamster brain using PUA tactics, and though they have limits, they do work. The interesting thing about PUA, however, is the implication: that the woman's brain is this rote, predictable, pre-programmed biological unit that can be manipulated with words, smells, sights, strategies, all developed by the far more advanced male brain.
      You begin to see the female for what she is, not a human, but this biological "thing" you work toward manipulating into bed, but moreso, into love (a state she can only momentarily occupy). She is a "thing" that has only one purpose: to weed out weak men and find strong men (yet her standards for "weak" and "strong" are largely f***ed up, too, and even distorted by cultural norms, advertising or mores -- which, when gone awry, leads to cultural breakdown; the female is too stupid to make moral decisions on her own, without culture giving her direction ("Bad boys with tats are hot"), so a morally bankrupt culture will result in broken homes, which is what we have now. When men are no longer in control, such is the result).
      Despite how lacking women are intellectually, men have to put in ALL the effort to cater to them, make them laugh, get them interested, play games (at least, by today's f***ed up standards. Wasn't always quite this way, before feminism).
      What a pain in the ass.
      This is why we need advanced sex robots, because once developed enough, there will be ZERO reason to pursue real women.
      Vyrulisse posted...
      https://www.reddit.com/r/IncelReddit/

      I look at everything a woman says and I think, "Not a single thought of hers is original, but rather an amalgamation of what pop culture has taught her, filtered through her own construct of what she considers the 'self', but that, too, is a product of the pop culture."
      They're so dumb, so lacking in anything good... other than T&A. Smart men have obviously realized you can "tap" into her hamster brain using PUA tactics, and though they have limits, they do work. The interesting thing about PUA, however, is the implication: that the woman's brain is this rote, predictable, pre-programmed biological unit that can be manipulated with words, smells, sights, strategies, all developed by the far more advanced male brain.
      You begin to see the female for what she is, not a human, but this biological "thing" you work toward manipulating into bed, but moreso, into love (a state she can only momentarily occupy). She is a "thing" that has only one purpose: to weed out weak men and find strong men (yet her standards for "weak" and "strong" are largely f***ed up, too, and even distorted by cultural norms, advertising or mores -- which, when gone awry, leads to cultural breakdown; the female is too stupid to make moral decisions on her own, without culture giving her direction ("Bad boys with tats are hot"), so a morally bankrupt culture will result in broken homes, which is what we have now. When men are no longer in control, such is the result).
      Despite how lacking women are intellectually, men have to put in ALL the effort to cater to them, make them laugh, get them interested, play games (at least, by today's f***ed up standards. Wasn't always quite this way, before feminism).
      What a pain in the ass.
      This is why we need advanced sex robots, because once developed enough, there will be ZERO reason to pursue real women.


      *vomits*
      #107
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      Lightsasori 9 hours ago#108
      Vyrulisse posted...
      https://www.reddit.com/r/IncelReddit/

      I look at everything a woman says and I think, "Not a single thought of hers is original, but rather an amalgamation of what pop culture has taught her, filtered through her own construct of what she considers the 'self', but that, too, is a product of the pop culture."
      They're so dumb, so lacking in anything good... other than T&A. Smart men have obviously realized you can "tap" into her hamster brain using PUA tactics, and though they have limits, they do work. The interesting thing about PUA, however, is the implication: that the woman's brain is this rote, predictable, pre-programmed biological unit that can be manipulated with words, smells, sights, strategies, all developed by the far more advanced male brain.
      You begin to see the female for what she is, not a human, but this biological "thing" you work toward manipulating into bed, but moreso, into love (a state she can only momentarily occupy). She is a "thing" that has only one purpose: to weed out weak men and find strong men (yet her standards for "weak" and "strong" are largely f***ed up, too, and even distorted by cultural norms, advertising or mores -- which, when gone awry, leads to cultural breakdown; the female is too stupid to make moral decisions on her own, without culture giving her direction ("Bad boys with tats are hot"), so a morally bankrupt culture will result in broken homes, which is what we have now. When men are no longer in control, such is the result).
      Despite how lacking women are intellectually, men have to put in ALL the effort to cater to them, make them laugh, get them interested, play games (at least, by today's f***ed up standards. Wasn't always quite this way, before feminism).
      What a pain in the ass.
      This is why we need advanced sex robots, because once developed enough, there will be ZERO reason to pursue real women.


      Wow
      "Yare yare daze" ~ Jotaro Kujo
      "Children are pure, they know who's the strongest." ~ MaskDeSmith
      Mr Sandbag 9 hours ago#109
      Ghost_Of_Donkey posted...
      It is funny because most MGTOW are not angry bitter virgins. Those are the TFLers. Like learning about gynocentrism, not marrying women, doing our own things and finding our meaning in our lives is not being women hating.


      You guys stay strawmanning us. It is pretty f***ing sad.


      This.
      got sand?
      The wall just got 10 feet higher
      mattnd2007 9 hours ago#110
      I kind of identify with mgtow. My ex hurt me bad, to the point where I'm like is trying again even worth it?
      go join the "expletive not allowed" nazis then. you "expletive not allowed" psycho- Spudger 01/15/17
      Listen, we do not hate women. Why would I hate a group of folks? Like seriously. I can be cool with females and stuff. Chatting, what not,and etc. I decided to go monk because like Barbarrossa "The Juice isn't worth the squeeze." I do not want female companionship, I want to discover more about human nature, not being married to the state, co-habitate with women and wtc. That is the definition, not a bunch of herbs who are just mad because they can't score with women. The 'One BJ away from going back to that plantation' dudes.


      We are not a movement, we just don't want to play anymore, that is it. Done, period and end of the story. Fin.
      Blue_Dream87 8 hours ago#112
      Ghost_Of_Donkey posted...
      Listen, we do not hate women. Why would I hate a group of folks? Like seriously. I can be cool with females and stuff. Chatting, what not,and etc. I decided to go monk because like Barbarrossa "The Juice isn't worth the squeeze." I do not want female companionship, I want to discover more about human nature, not being married to the state, co-habitate with women and wtc. That is the definition, not a bunch of herbs who are just mad because they can't score with women. The 'One BJ away from going back to that plantation' dudes.


      We are not a movement, we just don't want to play anymore, that is it. Done, period and end of the story. Fin.


      Thats cool and all, but you guys tend not to speak up when your brethren dehumanize women and allow them to form toxic, antisocial tendencies and views towards half the damn population.
      Blue_Dream87 posted...
      Ghost_Of_Donkey posted...
      Listen, we do not hate women. Why would I hate a group of folks? Like seriously. I can be cool with females and stuff. Chatting, what not,and etc. I decided to go monk because like Barbarrossa "The Juice isn't worth the squeeze." I do not want female companionship, I want to discover more about human nature, not being married to the state, co-habitate with women and wtc. That is the definition, not a bunch of herbs who are just mad because they can't score with women. The 'One BJ away from going back to that plantation' dudes.


      We are not a movement, we just don't want to play anymore, that is it. Done, period and end of the story. Fin.


      Thats cool and all, but you guys tend not to speak up when your brethren dehumanize women and allow them to form toxic, antisocial tendencies and views towards half the damn population.


      When have I dehumanize women? I don't look at nature as these white vs black, evil vs good, and etc. It is what it is. Women are hypergamous by nature, you are getting at me for pointing it out but it just because we are animals and we gotta do what we got to do to survive? That is not dehumanizing. Like why don't you understand this?

      This is what I am talking about.
      Asherlee10 8 hours ago#114
      Ghost_Of_Donkey posted...
      Blue_Dream87 posted...
      Ghost_Of_Donkey posted...
      Listen, we do not hate women. Why would I hate a group of folks? Like seriously. I can be cool with females and stuff. Chatting, what not,and etc. I decided to go monk because like Barbarrossa "The Juice isn't worth the squeeze." I do not want female companionship, I want to discover more about human nature, not being married to the state, co-habitate with women and wtc. That is the definition, not a bunch of herbs who are just mad because they can't score with women. The 'One BJ away from going back to that plantation' dudes.


      We are not a movement, we just don't want to play anymore, that is it. Done, period and end of the story. Fin.


      Thats cool and all, but you guys tend not to speak up when your brethren dehumanize women and allow them to form toxic, antisocial tendencies and views towards half the damn population.


      When have I dehumanize women? I don't look at nature as these white vs black, evil vs good, and etc. It is what it is. Women are hypergamous by nature, you are getting at me for pointing it out but it just because we are animals and we gotta do what we got to do to survive? That is not dehumanizing. Like why don't you understand this?

      This is what I am talking about.


      People, even particularly women, are not hypergamous by nature. That is literally how you dehumanize someone by painting half the population as so animalistic that we aren't capable of rational thought.
      "Opinions should be a result of a thought, not a substitute for it."
      Blue_Dream87 8 hours ago#115
      Ghost_Of_Donkey posted...
      Blue_Dream87 posted...
      Ghost_Of_Donkey posted...
      Listen, we do not hate women. Why would I hate a group of folks? Like seriously. I can be cool with females and stuff. Chatting, what not,and etc. I decided to go monk because like Barbarrossa "The Juice isn't worth the squeeze." I do not want female companionship, I want to discover more about human nature, not being married to the state, co-habitate with women and wtc. That is the definition, not a bunch of herbs who are just mad because they can't score with women. The 'One BJ away from going back to that plantation' dudes.


      We are not a movement, we just don't want to play anymore, that is it. Done, period and end of the story. Fin.


      Thats cool and all, but you guys tend not to speak up when your brethren dehumanize women and allow them to form toxic, antisocial tendencies and views towards half the damn population.


      When have I dehumanize women? I don't look at nature as these white vs black, evil vs good, and etc. It is what it is. Women are hypergamous by nature, you are getting at me for pointing it out but it just because we are animals and we gotta do what we got to do to survive? That is not dehumanizing. Like why don't you understand this?

      This is what I am talking about.


      At first I wasn't saying you dehumanized women, what I meant was that you remain silent when the rest of your community harps on about how s***ty women are.

      But because of a misunderstanding, you've shown your true colors. They're hypergamous by nature? Ok, if you're gonna say that women are programmed to be that way and it's "in their nature", why not post some proof of that programming? You're using science to back up your bias, why not cough up the hard evidence and studies to support this? Don't use anecdotes because I can easily spit those right back in your face.
      Blue_Dream87 posted...
      Ghost_Of_Donkey posted...
      Blue_Dream87 posted...
      Ghost_Of_Donkey posted...
      Listen, we do not hate women. Why would I hate a group of folks? Like seriously. I can be cool with females and stuff. Chatting, what not,and etc. I decided to go monk because like Barbarrossa "The Juice isn't worth the squeeze." I do not want female companionship, I want to discover more about human nature, not being married to the state, co-habitate with women and wtc. That is the definition, not a bunch of herbs who are just mad because they can't score with women. The 'One BJ away from going back to that plantation' dudes.


      We are not a movement, we just don't want to play anymore, that is it. Done, period and end of the story. Fin.


      Thats cool and all, but you guys tend not to speak up when your brethren dehumanize women and allow them to form toxic, antisocial tendencies and views towards half the damn population.


      When have I dehumanize women? I don't look at nature as these white vs black, evil vs good, and etc. It is what it is. Women are hypergamous by nature, you are getting at me for pointing it out but it just because we are animals and we gotta do what we got to do to survive? That is not dehumanizing. Like why don't you understand this?

      This is what I am talking about.


      At first I wasn't saying you dehumanized women, what I meant was that you remain silent when the rest of your community harps on about how s***ty women are.

      But because of a misunderstanding, you've shown your true colors. They're hypergamous by nature? Ok, if you're gonna say that women are programmed to be that way and it's "in their nature", why not post some proof of that programming? You're using science to back up your bias, why not cough up the hard evidence and studies to support this? Don't use anecdotes because I can easily spit those right back in your face.

      lol no you can't man. no you can't.
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      philsov 7 hours ago#117
      Blue_Dream87 posted...
      what I meant was that you remain silent when the rest of your community harps on about how s***ty women are.


      You can look at ANY subgroup (say, true Games of Thrones fans), decry their fringe, and then strawman all members of game of throne fandom into absurdity. We could also blame a lot of classic feminists for being complacent in their rebuttal to third wave feminists, or BLM rioters, or muslims not doing more against their "own" terrorists. Internal policing has its limits.

      Ghost_Of_Donkey posted...
      Women are hypergamous by nature,


      If the implication is that men are monogamous by nature that's empirically false. Humans are hypergamous, and I posit that men are moreso as evidenced by the average sex ratio of a gangbang (e.g.), the existence of male-centric polygamy while female-centric polygamy is virtually nonexistent, and the gender of just about every serial rapist ever. 

      See also:
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sperm_competition

      tl:dr - males are in competition with other males. Generally females are the battleground. One could argue that penis morphology (which helps remove other men's semen) is the result of women having sex with a lot of men, but it's also equally true that it's the result of men having sex with a lot of women.
      Remember that I won't rest, 'til we share the same tense
      Just know, to me, you're better late than never again.
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      Blue_Dream87 6 hours ago#119
      philsov posted...
      Blue_Dream87 posted...

      what I meant was that you remain silent when the rest of your community harps on about how s***ty women are.



      You can look at ANY subgroup (say, true Games of Thrones fans), decry their fringe, and then strawman all members of game of throne fandom into absurdity. We could also blame a lot of classic feminists for being complacent in their rebuttal to third wave feminists, or BLM rioters, or muslims not doing more against their "own" terrorists. Internal policing has its limits.


      The problem is, this is by far NOT the fringe. I mean, just look at the front page for r/MGTOW. Dehumanizing and ragging on women is the norm, and they justify it using some "philosophy" that appears to simply be PUAs trying to sound smart after taking some introductory courses to Sociology. Those groups you mentioned do have their own decrying the actions of the radicals, and some broke off on their own (I even found a different, less radical MGTOW sub that recognizes the problem with their older brother). 

      I mean the point is bunk anyways since dude showed his true colors, but I will stand by that people in those communities who stand silent by the toxic ideologies being spewed should speak up and show their communities that this shouldn't be normalized.
      mattnd2007 6 hours ago#120
      oh and for me the generalizing women part doesn't apply. i realize women are individuals. there are going to be some good and some bad. just like dudes. i'm just like is trying again and possibly getting hurt worth it? right now it doesn't seem to be. i have my hand and porn for my physical needs. i have a good female platonic friend for whatever potential benefits spending time with a woman has. not that i'm friends with her just because she's a woman. she's just a cool person.
      go join the "expletive not allowed" nazis then. you "expletive not allowed" psycho- Spudger 01/15/17
      Darmik 6 hours ago#121
      Yeah Red Pill and MGTOW are the fringe groups. All of the examples of the toxic garbage spewed out of them in this topic were upvoted by their communities.

      Also I get going your own way is fine. You don't have to be in a relationship. But it goes beyond that for these guys in MGTOW. For guys who say they don't need women they sure love to talk about them a lot and blame them for a lot of their problems. Probably because they care about hating women more than being single and actually happy.
      Kind Regards,
      Darmik
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      Axiom 6 hours ago#122
      Darmik posted...
      Also I get going your own way is fine. You don't have to be in a relationship. But it goes beyond that for these guys in MGTOW. For guys who say they don't need women they sure love to talk about them a lot and blame them for a lot of their problems. Probably because they care about hating women more than being single and actually happy.

      This is why they're so awful. There's really nothing wrong with it as a concept but their idea of going their own way is swearing off women while at the same time b****ing incessantly about the women they've supposedly sworn off
      Can you list these MGTOW channels, please? This is still crazy how gamefaqs knows about them.
      metralo 5 hours ago#124
      Mr Sandbag posted...
      Ghost_Of_Donkey posted...
      It is funny because most MGTOW are not angry bitter virgins. Those are the TFLers. Like learning about gynocentrism, not marrying women, doing our own things and finding our meaning in our lives is not being women hating.


      You guys stay strawmanning us. It is pretty f***ing sad.


      This.


      thats cool and all, but then you wouldn't have a title attached to it. it'd literally just be living life. mgotw exists because they hate women. don't f***ing act like it isn't.
      Darmik 5 hours ago#125
      Ghost_Of_Donkey posted...
      Can you list these MGTOW channels, please? This is still crazy how gamefaqs knows about them.


      Their subreddit seems like an easy enough place to check.
      Kind Regards,
      Darmik
      Blue_Dream87 5 hours ago#126
      Darmik posted...
      Ghost_Of_Donkey posted...
      Can you list these MGTOW channels, please? This is still crazy how gamefaqs knows about them.


      Their subreddit seems like an easy enough place to check.


      This. I mean theyre a laughingstock on Reddit so of course many of us would know about them.
      REMercsChamp 4 hours ago#127
      If Redpill didn't make sense, would there really be an entire group of people dedicated to it?
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