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October 11, 2017

Good Samaritan Kills Active Shooter in Texas Sports Bar

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KamenRiderBlade 5 months ago#1
http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/good-samaritan-kills-active-shooter-texas-sports-bar-police-n755136
https://www.dallasnews.com/news/arlington/2017/05/03/two-people-killed-third-wounded-arlington-restaurant-shooting-reports-say
http://www.newsmax.com/TheWire/good-samaritan-shooter-texas-restaurant/2017/05/05/id/788333/
A "good Samaritan" with a gun killed an active shooter who may have been gearing up for a deadly rampage at a Texas sports bar Wednesday night, police said.

When 48-year-old James Jones walked inside the Zona Caliente Sports Bar, started yelling and then allegedly shot and killed Cesar Perez — a 37-year-old restaurant manager who'd attempted to calm him down — Arlington police said witnesses were afraid they would be next.

In addition to the gun used to kill Perez, police say Jones had another semiautomatic pistol and two knives on him. The serial number on the second gun had been scratched off, and Jones did not have a gun license, police said.

"He definitely had the capacity, if he wanted, to commit further violence and potentially kill other patrons in the business," Arlington Police Lieutenant Chris Cook told NBC News, adding that it did not appear that the shooter knew his victim.

An armed "good Samaritan" — as the Arlington Police labeled him — happened to be eating at the restaurant with his wife. A concealed carry permit holder, he told her to get down on the ground and then shot Jones in the back.

"I don't think the shooter even knew where the rounds were coming from because he started shooting at the front door," Cook said, who described the scene as "chaotic."

Police reviewed video surveillance and pieced together the incident via witness interviews, but it remains unclear how many shots were fired by either individual. Police were looking into Jones' background to see whether he suffered from any mental illnesses and were awaiting test results to find out if he was under the influence.

The man who took down Jones wished to maintain his anonymity, police said, noting that he felt overwhelmed but relieved that he prevented further violence.

"We're thankful that the good 'Samaritan' acted quickly and decisively to end the threat," Cook said. "We never recommend people get involved. That's a personal decision that a citizen has to make."

Use of force and firearms expert Emanuel Kapelsohn told NBC News that, from his understanding, the man who took down the shooter reacted appropriately.

"I think it's to be applauded," he said. "Not everybody in the world ought to own a gun. Not everybody in the world ought to carry a gun. Not everyone in the world ought to engage an armed criminal where innocent people could be potentially injured."

"But this good Samaritan obviously had the ability to do what he did," Kapelsohn added. "Who knows how many people would be dead if he had not acted?"

So a Good Guy with a gun takes down Bad Guy with a gun who killed the Restaurant Manager in front of everybody.
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darkace77450 5 months ago#2
Guns are bad and they're used by bad people to do bad things 100% of the time. It's time to repeal the 2nd amendment.
KamenRiderBlade 5 months ago#3
darkace77450 posted...
Guns are bad and they're used by bad people to do bad things 100% of the time. It's time to repeal the 2nd amendment.
Wow, what a childish Black & White view of a subject.
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TheHonorableOne 5 months ago#4
Leftists and democrats want to lock up that hero.
"So you never wanted a regular type life?"
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No2Wookie 5 months ago#5
KamenRiderBlade posted...
darkace77450 posted...
Guns are bad and they're used by bad people to do bad things 100% of the time. It's time to repeal the 2nd amendment.
Wow, what a childish Black & White view of a subject.


Whoosh
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KamenRiderBlade 5 months ago#6
No2Wookie posted...
Whoosh
I can't hear the posters Sarcastic tone of voice over text posted on GameFAQs Message Board, if it was meant to be sarcastic.
If that was meant to be sarcasm please use <sarcasm></sarcasm> tags
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Balkov  attack for job5 months ago#7
darkace77450 posted...
Guns are bad and they're used by bad people to do bad things 100% of the time. It's time to repeal the 2nd amendment.


This article literally proves you wrong.
SaikyoStyle 5 months ago#8
Lol what a story Kamen.
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KamenRiderBlade 5 months ago#9
SaikyoStyle posted...
Lol what a story Kamen.
I'm glad you liked it.
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Humble_Novice 5 months ago#10
Like I said before, guns do not kill. Rather, its people. This man should be lauded as a hero for saving lives.
DigitalFury_ 5 months ago#11
KamenRiderBlade posted...
darkace77450 posted...
Guns are bad and they're used by bad people to do bad things 100% of the time. It's time to repeal the 2nd amendment.
Wow, what a childish Black & White view of a subject.

Balkov posted...
darkace77450 posted...
Guns are bad and they're used by bad people to do bad things 100% of the time. It's time to repeal the 2nd amendment.


This article literally proves you wrong.

...... holy cow....
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Notti 5 months ago#12
KamenRiderBlade posted...
darkace77450 posted...
Guns are bad and they're used by bad people to do bad things 100% of the time. It's time to repeal the 2nd amendment.
Wow, what a childish Black & White view of a subject.


Yup, NRA supporters are often simple minded children who think in black and white.

That why regulations exist. (ewww, gun regulation bad!)

To cover the middle ground for a more nuanced approach.
The_Kuraikage 5 months ago#13
This paints a picture of the good self-defense firearms can do. Would that we had somebody with concealed carry at Aurora a few years back. This kind of s*** is why guns are a more complex option than either side of the troll brigade want to admit.
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hypersonic2000 5 months ago#14
It is time to buy a new handgun.
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Culturally_Lao 5 months ago#15
This week on infowars: Chemtrails killing off people's ability to detect sarcasm. Thousands find it wonderful.
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wstfld 5 months ago#16
I guess this makes up for the good guy stalking Trayvon Martin
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gogues 5 months ago#17
Gun control doesn't mean you want to ban guns from responsible people. Never understand what these topics are trying to prove.

With better controls on gun distribution, etc, the bad guy may have not had the opportunity to illegally acquire one.
AceMos 5 months ago#18
TheHonorableOne posted...
Leftists and democrats want to lock up that hero.


no one is saying that

all we want is tighter gun control to prevent crazies from owning guns something that does not apply to this person
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aarrgus 5 months ago#19
Shooting and killing someone is literally the opposite of a "good samaratin". Even if justified.
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omega bahumat 5 months ago#20
TheHonorableOne posted...
Leftists and democrats want to lock up that hero.

No I don't.

I actually want interstate gun licenses.

I also want "free" gun licenses.

Further I want to work with the pro-gun community to figure out a way to implement policy that curbs criminals without harming our law abiding citizens.
IMadepooh4U 5 months ago#21
KamenRiderBlade posted...
So a Good Guy with a gun takes down Bad Guy with a gun who killed the Restaurant Manager in front of everybody.


Imagine how many more lives could have been lost if that good guy didn't have a gun.
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Alesandros 5 months ago#22
It's a shame the restaurant wasn't a gun-free zone. Then there wouldn't have been any gun violence whatsoever.
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SaikyoStyle 5 months ago#23
Every gun-free zone I've ever been to has been shooter-free. Guess they really do work.
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Alesandros 5 months ago#24
SaikyoStyle posted...
Every gun-free zone I've ever been to has been shooter-free. Guess they really do work.


What were the names of the schools, movie theaters, and airports that were not the gun-free zones that gun violence did not happen at again?

My memory must be mistaken.
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kiwimyweewee 5 months ago#25
aarrgus posted...
Shooting and killing someone is literally the opposite of a "good samaratin". Even if justified.


Nah, it takes a good samaritan with a gun to kill a bad samaritan with a gun.
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Socarrat 5 months ago#26
Why would that idiot target a bar in Texas? That is not a soft target and there will always be millions of natural, inherently soft targets for mass shooters to target, hence why this topic is stupid. Unless this is to counter good Samaritans shooting their child in the head accidentally or some such headline posted every millisecond by gun grabbers? One thing is for certain, it cant be a defense for our gun manufactures to continue flooding our country indiscriminately (as is legal per state) with as many firearms as they can feasibly sell an individual for "self defense" per fiscal year. Surely not, TC.
SaikyoStyle 5 months ago#27
Alesandros posted...
SaikyoStyle posted...
Every gun-free zone I've ever been to has been shooter-free. Guess they really do work.


What were the names of the schools, movie theaters, and airports that were not the gun-free zones that gun violence did not happen at again?

My memory must be mistaken.

Maybe you're just ruled by womanly emotions and have something to prove.

I've also got this rock that keeps tigers away. Haven't been attacked by tigers since I started carrying it.
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Kung_fu92 5 months ago#28
SaikyoStyle posted...
Alesandros posted...
SaikyoStyle posted...
Every gun-free zone I've ever been to has been shooter-free. Guess they really do work.


What were the names of the schools, movie theaters, and airports that were not the gun-free zones that gun violence did not happen at again?

My memory must be mistaken.

Maybe you're just ruled by womanly emotions and have something to prove.

I've also got this rock that keeps tigers away. Haven't been attacked by tigers since I started carrying it.

Where'd you get that? I'm looking for a Cougar rock...but I don't want it to keep them away, I want it to attract them.
It's a piece of schist no doubt, but everyone takes it for granite.
AcFan87 5 months ago#29
This man deserves a medal......good on him for preventing further casualties.
young_flip 5 months ago#30
He did save many lives... Now put him in jail for taking one.
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AcFan87 5 months ago#31
young_flip posted...
He did save many lives... Now put him in jail for taking one.

The other guy shouldn't have come in with the intent to go on a rampage.......he got exactly what he deserved
Alesandros 5 months ago#32
SaikyoStyle posted...
Alesandros posted...
SaikyoStyle posted...
Every gun-free zone I've ever been to has been shooter-free. Guess they really do work.


What were the names of the schools, movie theaters, and airports that were not the gun-free zones that gun violence did not happen at again?

My memory must be mistaken.

Maybe you're just ruled by womanly emotions and have something to prove.

I've also got this rock that keeps tigers away. Haven't been attacked by tigers since I started carrying it.


"Womanly emotions"

Why are you equivocating women's emotions with something concerning an overly emotional response in a negative connotation? You damn bigot! Leave your prejudice at the door.

*FYI: I'm a United States Marine... and probably more of a man than you. Well, eh if you're a man... well cis male. If you're not, then I apologize for assuming your gender.
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Notti 5 months ago#33
Alesandros posted...
I'm a United States Marine... and probably more of a man than you.


^ triggered
Socarrat 5 months ago#34
SaikyoStyle posted...
I've also got this rock that keeps tigers away. Haven't been attacked by tigers since I started carrying it.

lol
Alesandros 5 months ago#35
Notti posted...
Alesandros posted...
I'm a United States Marine... and probably more of a man than you.


^ triggered


Not really. When a presumptuous fool uses ad hominem in a Logos debate, I set the record straight.
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SaikyoStyle 5 months ago#36
Lol now he's stealing valor.
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C0c0nuttz 5 months ago#37
I love watching people get triggered on the internet and then trying to hide it. I swear it never gets old.
Relax, they're only words on the internet.
GregShmedley 5 months ago#38
Alesandros posted...
Notti posted...
Alesandros posted...
I'm a United States Marine... and probably more of a man than you.


^ triggered


Not really. When a presumptuous fool uses ad hominem in a Logos debate, I set the record straight.



Don't bother with Saikyo. He is a known troll that rarely contributes to the discussion other than snide insults.
SaikyoStyle 5 months ago#39
Pretty insulting to our armed forces to lie like that as a result of being #triggered.
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Alesandros 5 months ago#40
SaikyoStyle posted...
Lol now he's stealing valor.


https://www.youtube.com/user/AlesandrosX?feature=mhee

Feel free to browse my Youtube Channel. It's mostly piano videos, but there are a couple of USMC, and firearms videos.

You may want to keep quiet and let the adults speak now.


C0c0nuttz posted...
I love watching people get triggered on the internet and then trying to hide it. I swear it never gets old.


Who's triggered? Saikyo Style?

You may want to review the previous responses with a particular emphasis on who started calling each other names first... it wasn't me.
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young_flip 5 months ago#41
AcFan87 posted...

The other guy shouldn't have come in with the intent to go on a rampage.......he got exactly what he deserved

perhaps he could have been rehabilitated. now none will ever know.
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Alesandros 5 months ago#42
GregShmedley posted...
Alesandros posted...
Notti posted...
Alesandros posted...
I'm a United States Marine... and probably more of a man than you.


^ triggered


Not really. When a presumptuous fool uses ad hominem in a Logos debate, I set the record straight.



Don't bother with Saikyo. He is a known troll that rarely contributes to the discussion other than snide insults.


Ah, ok.

I'm still learning who the lowest common denominators are on this board. Thanks for the information.
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SaikyoStyle 5 months ago#43
Yeah, that's not you. You're too fat, uncoordinated, and unusually full of estrogen to have been a marine.
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Socarrat 5 months ago#44
GregShmedley posted...
Alesandros posted...
Notti posted...
Alesandros posted...
I'm a United States Marine... and probably more of a man than you.


^ triggered


Not really. When a presumptuous fool uses ad hominem in a Logos debate, I set the record straight.



Don't bother with Saikyo. He is a known troll that rarely contributes to the discussion other than snide insults.

In fairness, Saito left a good counter point with the tiger rock in response to Alesandros who's only bragging about his manliness via military service atm.
ThePieReborn 5 months ago#45
Can we not?
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Alesandros 5 months ago#46
Socarrat posted...
GregShmedley posted...
Alesandros posted...
Notti posted...
Alesandros posted...
I'm a United States Marine... and probably more of a man than you.


^ triggered


Not really. When a presumptuous fool uses ad hominem in a Logos debate, I set the record straight.



Don't bother with Saikyo. He is a known troll that rarely contributes to the discussion other than snide insults.

In fairness, Saito left a good counter point with the tiger rock in response to Alesandros who's only bragging about his manliness via military service atm.


But it wasn't even.

His response was the logical fallacy of False Equivalence. I'd even venture a Non Sequitur was there as well concerning rocks and tigers:

"I've also got this rock that keeps tigers away. Haven't been attacked by tigers since I started carrying it."

What do rocks and tigers, when compared to guns and criminals have in common, comparatively?

QED
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Cynrascal 5 months ago#47
Whoopity doo da day! And I'm supposed to be impressed because?
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GregShmedley 5 months ago#48
Alesandros posted...
GregShmedley posted...
Alesandros posted...
Notti posted...
Alesandros posted...
I'm a United States Marine... and probably more of a man than you.


^ triggered


Not really. When a presumptuous fool uses ad hominem in a Logos debate, I set the record straight.



Don't bother with Saikyo. He is a known troll that rarely contributes to the discussion other than snide insults.


Ah, ok.

I'm still learning who the lowest common denominators are on this board. Thanks for the information.


No problem. See: his next post.
GregShmedley 5 months ago#49
Socarrat posted...
GregShmedley posted...
Alesandros posted...
Notti posted...
Alesandros posted...
I'm a United States Marine... and probably more of a man than you.


^ triggered


Not really. When a presumptuous fool uses ad hominem in a Logos debate, I set the record straight.



Don't bother with Saikyo. He is a known troll that rarely contributes to the discussion other than snide insults.

In fairness, Saito left a good counter point with the tiger rock in response to Alesandros who's only bragging about his manliness via military service atm.


That wasn't a good counter point in the slightest. But I'd like to hear your reasons why; I'm open minded.

And I wouldn't say he was bragging. Saikyo unnecessarily brought gender into the discussion.
Socarrat 5 months ago#50
Alesandros posted...
Socarrat posted...
GregShmedley posted...
Alesandros posted...
Notti posted...
Alesandros posted...
I'm a United States Marine... and probably more of a man than you.


^ triggered


Not really. When a presumptuous fool uses ad hominem in a Logos debate, I set the record straight.



Don't bother with Saikyo. He is a known troll that rarely contributes to the discussion other than snide insults.

In fairness, Saito left a good counter point with the tiger rock in response to Alesandros who's only bragging about his manliness via military service atm.


But it wasn't even.

His response was the logical fallacy of False Equivalence.

How so? I thought he was saying correlation doesn't equal causation in a way that made me laugh. I'm in and out some other topics, so maybe I missed something.

And I guess technically he/they troll attempt me too since I own a couple firearms and I do read the "guns cuz little dick lololol" stuff. I don't get emotional because this is 261. Have thicker skin. There's lots of great points from the evil gun control side and a lot of terrible points from the NRA, manufacturer highjacked side. Where'd TC go?
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    zeppelin4ever42 5 months ago#51
    Alesandros posted...
    SaikyoStyle posted...
    Lol now he's stealing valor.


    https://www.youtube.com/user/AlesandrosX?feature=mhee

    Feel free to browse my Youtube Channel. It's mostly piano videos, but there are a couple of USMC, and firearms videos.

    You may want to keep quiet and let the adults speak now.


    C0c0nuttz posted...
    I love watching people get triggered on the internet and then trying to hide it. I swear it never gets old.


    Who's triggered? Saikyo Style?

    You may want to review the previous responses with a particular emphasis on who started calling each other names first... it wasn't me.

    Lol, how does your youtube channel show you're a marine?
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    SaikyoStyle 5 months ago#52
    I have this feather that makes lies about being a Marine come true. Pretty handy.
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    Alesandros 5 months ago#53
    zeppelin4ever42 posted...
    Alesandros posted...
    SaikyoStyle posted...
    Lol now he's stealing valor.


    https://www.youtube.com/user/AlesandrosX?feature=mhee

    Feel free to browse my Youtube Channel. It's mostly piano videos, but there are a couple of USMC, and firearms videos.

    You may want to keep quiet and let the adults speak now.


    C0c0nuttz posted...
    I love watching people get triggered on the internet and then trying to hide it. I swear it never gets old.


    Who's triggered? Saikyo Style?

    You may want to review the previous responses with a particular emphasis on who started calling each other names first... it wasn't me.

    Lol, how does your youtube channel show you're a marine?


    That's totally not me taking the video on the C4 Demo range video... nor are all of my other videos with me in it portraying me as a physically fit individual with a military haircut... I mean reasonably intelligent people could make the connection.
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    zeppelin4ever42 5 months ago#54
    SaikyoStyle posted...
    I have this feather that makes lies about being a Marine come true. Pretty handy.

    I thought it was a tree branch that kept tigers hidden in the shadows to eat trolls who lie about being marines? Don't bring your alt-feather facts here
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    SaikyoStyle 5 months ago#55
    Lmao
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    Alesandros 5 months ago#56
    Socarrat posted...
    Alesandros posted...
    Socarrat posted...
    GregShmedley posted...
    Alesandros posted...
    Notti posted...
    Alesandros posted...
    I'm a United States Marine... and probably more of a man than you.


    ^ triggered


    Not really. When a presumptuous fool uses ad hominem in a Logos debate, I set the record straight.



    Don't bother with Saikyo. He is a known troll that rarely contributes to the discussion other than snide insults.

    In fairness, Saito left a good counter point with the tiger rock in response to Alesandros who's only bragging about his manliness via military service atm.


    But it wasn't even.

    His response was the logical fallacy of False Equivalence.

    How so? I thought he was saying correlation doesn't equal causation in a way that made me laugh. I'm in and out some other topics, so maybe I missed something.

    And I guess technically he/they troll attempt me too since I own a couple firearms and I do read the "guns cuz little dick lololol" stuff. I don't get emotional because this is 261. Have thicker skin. There's lots of great points from the evil gun control side and a lot of terrible points from the NRA, manufacturer highjacked side. Where'd TC go?


    He suggested that his hypothetical anti-tiger rock, in an environment without tigers, repelling tigers at a 100% success rate is somehow comparable to real-world guns, criminals, and gun-free zones.
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    Alesandros 5 months ago#57
    Quoted again for his embarrassment.


    SaikyoStyle posted...
    Alesandros posted...
    SaikyoStyle posted...
    Every gun-free zone I've ever been to has been shooter-free. Guess they really do work.


    What were the names of the schools, movie theaters, and airports that were not the gun-free zones that gun violence did not happen at again?

    My memory must be mistaken.

    Maybe you're just ruled by womanly emotions and have something to prove.

    I've also got this rock that keeps tigers away. Haven't been attacked by tigers since I started carrying it.


    You see, the thing is with inductive logic that when the inductive hypothesis fails to account for even 1 (notwithstanding multiple) contrary examples... the inductive logic fails scrutiny.
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    zeppelin4ever42 5 months ago#58
    Alesandros posted...
    zeppelin4ever42 posted...
    Alesandros posted...
    SaikyoStyle posted...
    Lol now he's stealing valor.


    https://www.youtube.com/user/AlesandrosX?feature=mhee

    Feel free to browse my Youtube Channel. It's mostly piano videos, but there are a couple of USMC, and firearms videos.

    You may want to keep quiet and let the adults speak now.


    C0c0nuttz posted...
    I love watching people get triggered on the internet and then trying to hide it. I swear it never gets old.


    Who's triggered? Saikyo Style?

    You may want to review the previous responses with a particular emphasis on who started calling each other names first... it wasn't me.

    Lol, how does your youtube channel show you're a marine?


    That's totally not me taking the video on the C4 Demo range video... nor are all of my other videos with me in it portraying me as a physically fit individual with a military haircut... I mean reasonably intelligent people could make the connection.

    No way to tell if it's you or not. Let me guess, because you posted a video "Trapping a Pursuing FW 190" means that you trapped a FW 190, right? I also note it's the only video "of you" in uniform. I also won't contend that some of the videos have you with a short haircut. Physically fit... well, I won't be rude though I'll admit I have high standards of physically fit
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    SaikyoStyle 5 months ago#59
    That is in no way him.
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    The Great Muta 22 5 months ago#60
    I'm going to ignore the s*** fest going on the last 20 posts or so and just say

    omega bahumat posted...
    No I don't.

    I actually want interstate gun licenses.

    I also want "free" gun licenses.

    Further I want to work with the pro-gun community to figure out a way to implement policy that curbs criminals without harming our law abiding citizens.


    All of this. Over and over again. I don't want to ban guns from society, I want a better way to implement protections to result in less guns finding their way into criminals hands.
    Alesandros 5 months ago#61
    @zeppelin4ever42

    No, I don't identify as a FW190... now a P-38G, maybe.

    I'm sure your physical fitness standards contain things like:
    - Hiking with 100+lbs of gear more than 18 miles and executing training/operations afterwards
    - Conducting physically demanding activities with 100+lbs of gear
    - Scoring 295 on USMC PFTs and 300 on CFTs
    - Running 3 miles in less than 19:00 min
    - Running Marathons (26.2mi)

    *I'll admit, I'm a runner by trade and build... and favor lean muscle over mass as most of my military physical activities take/took place outside of air conditioned buildings and longer than 1 hour.
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    ThePieReborn 5 months ago#62
    Alesandros posted...
    P-38G

    Good taste. *thumbs up*
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    Alesandros 5 months ago#63
    The Great Muta 22 posted...
    I'm going to ignore the s*** fest going on the last 20 posts or so and just say

    omega bahumat posted...
    No I don't.

    I actually want interstate gun licenses.

    I also want "free" gun licenses.

    Further I want to work with the pro-gun community to figure out a way to implement policy that curbs criminals without harming our law abiding citizens.


    All of this. Over and over again. I don't want to ban guns from society, I want a better way to implement protections to result in less guns finding their way into criminals hands.


    Back on topic, I agree. As a gun owner and avid CCW practitioner, I'm willing to make some compromises to better ensure that firearms are even less likely to find their way into the hands of the mentally unstable and criminals.
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    Socarrat 5 months ago#64
    The Great Muta 22 posted...
    I'm going to ignore the s*** fest going on the last 20 posts or so and just say

    omega bahumat posted...
    No I don't.

    I actually want interstate gun licenses.

    I also want "free" gun licenses.

    Further I want to work with the pro-gun community to figure out a way to implement policy that curbs criminals without harming our law abiding citizens.


    All of this. Over and over again. I don't want to ban guns from society, I want a better way to implement protections to result in less guns finding their way into criminals hands.


    This is something everybody on both sides will claim to want. But it's just like a climate change debate, in how that everyone in the discussion who's honest doesn't want the climate to change, but one side is more often on the strings of a giant industry that only cares about growing profits.
    Alesandros 5 months ago#65
    ThePieReborn posted...
    Alesandros posted...
    P-38G

    Good taste. *thumbs up*


    I've always had a love for the P-38 Lightning. It is my go-to plane in all flight sim / flight games in the WW2 era. Check the last page or two for the link to my youtube channel to see a video of me energy trapping a FW-190 which was in pursuit of me in my trusty P-38G (if you're interested); from the game "War Thunder".
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    KamenRiderBlade 5 months ago#66
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northrop_P-61_Black_Widow
    I've always found this to be a interesting platform with an interesting story for WW2.

    A bit less famous; but intriguing.
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    Alesandros 5 months ago#67
    Socarrat posted...
    The Great Muta 22 posted...
    I'm going to ignore the s*** fest going on the last 20 posts or so and just say

    omega bahumat posted...
    No I don't.

    I actually want interstate gun licenses.

    I also want "free" gun licenses.

    Further I want to work with the pro-gun community to figure out a way to implement policy that curbs criminals without harming our law abiding citizens.


    All of this. Over and over again. I don't want to ban guns from society, I want a better way to implement protections to result in less guns finding their way into criminals hands.


    This is something everybody will claim to want. But it's just like a climate change debate, in how that everyone in the discussion who's honest doesn't want the climate to keep changing, but one side is more often on the strings of a giant industry that only cares about growing profits and hijacking pro-gun culture.


    While I wouldn't profess to encompass the entire Right/Conservative side within the Gun Control debate, I can say that a large portion (probably a large majority) are people who desire to own firearms (as a constitutionally recognized liberty). A much smaller subsection may be people wanting to cash in on the whims of the former group. I believe one could say that this practice is not unique to gun control.

    The question is "at what point do we allow the actions of an incredibly small portion of the population to adversely impose undue restrictions on the larger majority"?

    I mean, do we ban all Muslims from entering the United States or impose certain restrictions on them just because a couple hundredths of a percent of their population engages in terrorism?

    Do we ban all guns or impose certain restrictions on all gun owners just because a couple hundredths of a percent of their population engages in non-justifiable gun violence?

    (Note to SakioStyle, that is how you establish an equivalence argument in inductive logic).
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    SaikyoStyle 5 months ago#68
    Don't tax yourself too hard trying to dissect the bit. Instead, stick to lying about military service.
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    Alesandros 5 months ago#69
    KamenRiderBlade posted...
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northrop_P-61_Black_Widow
    I've always found this to be a interesting platform with an interesting story for WW2.

    A bit less famous; but intriguing.


    Yeah the P-61 was an awesome plane for its time.
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    EvoTech 5 months ago#70
    darkace77450 posted...
    Guns are bad and they're used by bad people to do bad things 100% of the time. It's time to repeal the 2nd amendment.


    So then only bad people have guns.

    Good job making everyone unsafe genius
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    Agni187 5 months ago#71
    DigitalFury_ posted...
    KamenRiderBlade posted...
    darkace77450 posted...
    Guns are bad and they're used by bad people to do bad things 100% of the time. It's time to repeal the 2nd amendment.
    Wow, what a childish Black & White view of a subject.

    Balkov posted...
    darkace77450 posted...
    Guns are bad and they're used by bad people to do bad things 100% of the time. It's time to repeal the 2nd amendment.


    This article literally proves you wrong.

    ...... holy cow....

    Can't blame them for not being sure. We house plenty of liberal trolls that would say something like that with a straight face.

    gogues posted...
    With better controls on gun distribution, etc, the bad guy may have not had the opportunity to illegally acquire one.

    He never legally acquired it in the first place so your regulations would do nothing to him, did you read that he had no license and the serial was scratched off? However, had we more strict terms as you so desperately desire the hero may not have been armed and many more would have died that day.
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    Socarrat 5 months ago#72
    Agni187 posted...
    He never legally acquired it in the first place so your regulations would do nothing to him, did you read that he had no license and the serial was scratched off? However, had we more strict terms as you so desperately desire the hero may not have been armed and many more would have died that day.

    If the country wasn't continually flooded with firearms, bad guys wouldn't continually have them. You guys think too much on the micro instead of the macro, and that's why I'm armed. I know where the bad guys get their guns and how the black and grey markets work.
    Alesandros 5 months ago#73
    Socarrat posted...
    Agni187 posted...
    He never legally acquired it in the first place so your regulations would do nothing to him, did you read that he had no license and the serial was scratched off? However, had we more strict terms as you so desperately desire the hero may not have been armed and many more would have died that day.

    If the country wasn't continually flooded with firearms, bad guys wouldn't continually have them. You guys think too much on the micro instead of the macro, and that's why I'm armed. I know where the bad guys get their guns and how the black and grey markets work.


    What do you mean by "flooded"? Legally manufactured in / imported into the US? Illegally imported/smuggled into the US? Or both?
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    InfiniteMick 5 months ago#74
    Time to use it to push a political agenda! -NRA
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    Socarrat 5 months ago#75
    Alesandros posted...
    Socarrat posted...
    Agni187 posted...
    He never legally acquired it in the first place so your regulations would do nothing to him, did you read that he had no license and the serial was scratched off? However, had we more strict terms as you so desperately desire the hero may not have been armed and many more would have died that day.

    If the country wasn't continually flooded with firearms, bad guys wouldn't continually have them. You guys think too much on the micro instead of the macro, and that's why I'm armed. I know where the bad guys get their guns and how the black and grey markets work.


    What do you mean by "flooded"? Legally manufactured in / imported into the US? Illegally imported/smuggled into the US? Or both?

    Sold as indiscriminately as is legal per state law. 50 laws for 50 different states make tighter laws in the state next door worthless. Mass firearm dealing without a FFL being legal as long as you never call yourself a dealer or have brick and mortar store or sell more than half your income, Buy 1 get 2 father and daughter sales at basspro, $10 for $10 defense firearm sales at Target (that's actually an exaggeration, to bad for all of us that the rest isn't), Manufactures hijacking gun culture turning most of the politically vocal firearm owners I know into unpaid shills only over the past few decades who sound nothing like their forefathers when it comes to guns.
    Alesandros 5 months ago#76
    Are you insinuating that firearms at certain retailers are sold without compliance to FFL regulations?

    Or are we talking about private citizen to private citizen sales?

    On the latter, I'd be willing to compromise that all firearms sales must be brokered through an FFL entity or an analogous system.
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    Socarrat 5 months ago#77
    Alesandros posted...
    Are you insinuating that firearms at certain retailers are sold without compliance to FFL regulations?

    Or are we talking about private citizen to private citizen sales?

    On the latter, I'd be willing to compromise that all firearms sales must be brokered through an FFL entity or an analogous system.

    Correct. "private citizen" and "collector" sales. I think it wouldn't be so bad if we just rolled things back to the pre-90s where if you sold more than 3-4 guns a year, hobbyist or not, you need to get a damn FFL. Now you can sell as many as you can fit on a cafeteria table in bum f*** ohio, for people to buy up and move somewhere guns are worth 4 times as much.

    edit: And guns are fluid, liquid money to everyone. I'm not for a ban, but guns on the streets do dry up. Let's dry it up.
    KamenRiderBlade 5 months ago#78
    We need a Federal FireArms ID for all Gun Owners.
    Not a license, not a permit, just a ID that validates you are a person of good standing and the government is constantly up to date on your background.

    Federal Laws for all, 1 set of rules under 1 FAA-like organization.
    All transactions (person to person, or GunShop to Individual) must use a FFL
    Cut the BS regulations that don't do squat.
    50 State Conceal Carry

    Stop letting states write laws and regulations about a Constitutional Right.

    We don't need 50+ versions of the same thing.

    We need simplified laws that are Universal.

    No Gun Registration except for Machine Guns and the Destructive Device definition used currently under Federal Law.

    Get rid of Silencer Registration non-sense, same with SBR, SBS registration (those things are the dumbest things ever)

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    FunWithAFryPan 5 months ago#79
    There's some awesome iamverybadass material in this topic so far.
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    young_flip 5 months ago#80
    KamenRiderBlade posted...

    Not a license, not a permit, just a ID that validates you are a person of good standing and the government is constantly up to date on your background.

    nah. govt has enough info on our backgrounds as it is.
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    Socarrat 5 months ago#81
    And guns are fluid, liquid money to criminals. I'm not for a ban by mentioning this, but guns on the street do dry up. Let's dry it up as best we can, not make NRA/manufactures as happy as possible per fiscal year.
    KamenRiderBlade 5 months ago#82
    young_flip posted...
    nah. govt has enough info on our backgrounds as it is.
    Then it makes no difference then, since it would be issuing of 2nd ID for a specific purpose.
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    gamer687 5 months ago#83
    Alesandros posted...
    It's a shame the restaurant wasn't a gun-free zone. Then there wouldn't have been any gun violence whatsoever.


    I assume this is sarcasm?
    mninp 5 months ago#84
    C0c0nuttz posted...
    I love watching people get triggered on the internet and then trying to hide it. I swear it never gets old.

    You need to get out more if this is really that exciting to you.

    Also, the other guy is no Marine, he's full of s**t.
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    young_flip 5 months ago#85
    KamenRiderBlade posted...
    young_flip posted...
    nah. govt has enough info on our backgrounds as it is.
    Then it makes no difference then, since it would be issuing of 2nd ID for a specific purpose.

    So you propose ceding even more authority and PII to the federal bureaucracy? Never took you for a statist.
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    Alesandros 5 months ago#86
    gamer687 posted...
    Alesandros posted...
    It's a shame the restaurant wasn't a gun-free zone. Then there wouldn't have been any gun violence whatsoever.


    I assume this is sarcasm?


    Did it not come across as such?

    *T'was just baiting the people of the lowest common denominator... it worked. Read the previous couple of pages.
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    KamenRiderBlade 5 months ago#87
    young_flip posted...
    So you propose ceding even more authority and PII to the federal bureaucracy? Never took you for a statist.
    Depends on the subject, I'll be more of a Federalist in some cases.
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    zeppelin4ever42 5 months ago#88
    KamenRiderBlade posted...
    We need a Federal FireArms ID for all Gun Owners.
    Not a license, not a permit, just a ID that validates you are a person of good standing and the government is constantly up to date on your background.

    Federal Laws for all, 1 set of rules under 1 FAA-like organization.
    All transactions (person to person, or GunShop to Individual) must use a FFL
    Cut the BS regulations that don't do squat.
    50 State Conceal Carry

    Stop letting states write laws and regulations about a Constitutional Right.

    We don't need 50+ versions of the same thing.

    We need simplified laws that are Universal.

    No Gun Registration except for Machine Guns and the Destructive Device definition used currently under Federal Law.

    Get rid of Silencer Registration non-sense, same with SBR, SBS registration (those things are the dumbest things ever)

    One Federal Tax, nothing State Wise

    I have only two problems with that. First, considering how badly people drive, I do not think a test would be a bad idea. If you don't know how to not point a gun at those around you and basic safety like that, you shouldn't YET own a gun. Second, and much more importantly, registering guns is what will actually decrease gun crime. If your gun is used in a crime, they should track it back to you and if you sold it illegally, you should be prosecuted. Combine that with needing a FFL if you sell more than 2 or 3 guns a year and we are pretty much set

    And to whoever made the comparison between guns and Muslims being similar in danger, if Muslims caused incidents at the rate of gun owners, we would have 1000 Muslim terrorist attacks a year in the US alone
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    Alesandros 5 months ago#89
    SaikyoStyle posted...
    Don't tax yourself too hard trying to dissect the bit. Instead, stick to lying about military service.


    Alright, I'll leave you with a few pictures from an old facebook album of when I was an impressionable lieutenant. As you can clearly see, it's the same person from my Youtube account... and is me. These pics are 5-6 years old, I don't have any that are recent.

    Lj0y7Ax

    Me prepping the C4 for the little spiderweb demonstration.

    6oafF5i

    Me after a FEX.

    NkBvbqM

    Me as an new 2dLt.

    ---

    QED

    What next?
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    KamenRiderBlade 5 months ago#90
    zeppelin4ever42 posted...
    I have only two problems with that. First, considering how badly people drive, I do not think a test would be a bad idea. If you don't know how to not point a gun at those around you and basic safety like that, you shouldn't YET own a gun. Second, and much more importantly, registering guns is what will actually decrease gun crime. If your gun is used in a crime, they should track it back to you and if you sold it illegally, you should be prosecuted. Combine that with needing a FFL if you sell more than 2 or 3 guns a year and we are pretty much set

    And to whoever made the comparison between guns and Muslims being similar in danger, if Muslims caused incidents at the rate of gun owners, we would have 1000 Muslim terrorist attacks a year in the US alone
    Guns are already required to be registered at the FFL level through sales documentation, so no need to duplicate existing legislation.
    National Registration is one step away from mass confiscation; no 2A supporting people would agree to that, and I don't agree with that.
    You register the people, not the gun. If you need to track a gun back, you go through the current processes of tracking a gun and it still works just fine.

    The biggest loop whole isn't the "Gun Show Loophole", which is a label pushed onto the mainstream media by Anti-Gun folks; that's a misnomer, it's the person to person transaction loophole.

    All transactions must use a FFL as a intermediary, period, no exceptions.

    If you go around the system, you can charge the seller / receiver with a the lowest tier of felony as a punishment, so we need to make it clear to all, use a FFL, period.

    As far as testing is concerned we need to teach the licensee about basic safe handling.
    Canada has the correct acronym to make it easy to remember:
    Assume every firearm is loaded.
    Control the muzzle direction at all times.
    Trigger finger off trigger and out of trigger guard.
    See that the firearm is unloaded. PROVE it safe.


    Drive these basic facts through the people's heads until it becomes second nature.

    Shooting is similar, there are some simple basic facts we should be teaching to all folks

    Anyways, I've given plenty of thought to a Federal form of legislation to begin with.
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    ThePieReborn 5 months ago#91
    Alesandros posted...
    ThePieReborn posted...
    Alesandros posted...
    P-38G

    Good taste. *thumbs up*


    I've always had a love for the P-38 Lightning. It is my go-to plane in all flight sim / flight games in the WW2 era. Check the last page or two for the link to my youtube channel to see a video of me energy trapping a FW-190 which was in pursuit of me in my trusty P-38G (if you're interested); from the game "War Thunder".

    Well played, sir. Flight games/piloting in Battlefield were never my thing, but I've always been impressed with some of the shenanigans friends of mine could pull off while in the air.

    I'm just a guy who's spent too much time at the SAC Museum. :P
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    KamenRiderBlade 5 months ago#92
    Alesandros posted...
    QED

    What next?
    The only way Saikyo would have to admit that that person in the picture is you is if you take a Selfie with your Smart Phone with you holding Your GameFAQs username hand written on a piece of paper.

    Also have a Selfie of you with your head next to your monitor while logged into GameFAQs with your account user name clearly visible

    At that point, it'll be pretty hard to refute that you are who you say you are when you have that level of evidence
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    Alesandros 5 months ago#93
    KamenRiderBlade posted...
    zeppelin4ever42 posted...
    I have only two problems with that. First, considering how badly people drive, I do not think a test would be a bad idea. If you don't know how to not point a gun at those around you and basic safety like that, you shouldn't YET own a gun. Second, and much more importantly, registering guns is what will actually decrease gun crime. If your gun is used in a crime, they should track it back to you and if you sold it illegally, you should be prosecuted. Combine that with needing a FFL if you sell more than 2 or 3 guns a year and we are pretty much set

    And to whoever made the comparison between guns and Muslims being similar in danger, if Muslims caused incidents at the rate of gun owners, we would have 1000 Muslim terrorist attacks a year in the US alone
    Guns are already required to be registered at the FFL level through sales documentation, so no need to duplicate existing legislation.
    National Registration is one step away from mass confiscation; no 2A supporting people would agree to that, and I don't agree with that.
    You register the people, not the gun. If you need to track a gun back, you go through the current processes of tracking a gun and it still works just fine.

    The biggest loop whole isn't the "Gun Show Loophole", which is a label pushed onto the mainstream media by Anti-Gun folks; that's a misnomer, it's the person to person transaction loophole.

    All transactions must use a FFL as a intermediary, period, no exceptions.

    If you go around the system, you can charge the seller / receiver with a the lowest tier of felony as a punishment, so we need to make it clear to all, use a FFL, period.

    As far as testing is concerned we need to teach the licensee about basic safe handling.
    Canada has the correct acronym to make it easy to remember:
    Assume every firearm is loaded.
    Control the muzzle direction at all times.
    Trigger finger off trigger and out of trigger guard.
    See that the firearm is unloaded. PROVE it safe.


    Drive these basic facts through the people's heads until it becomes second nature.

    Shooting is similar, there are some simple basic facts we should be teaching to all folks

    Anyways, I've given plenty of thought to a Federal form of legislation to begin with.


    We have the "4" weapons safety rules here:

    Treat-Never-Keep-Keep

    1. Treat every weapon as if it were loaded

    2. Never point your weapon at anything you do not intend to shoot.

    3. Keep your finger straight and off the trigger until you are ready to fire.

    4. Keep your weapon on safe until you intend to fire.

    Addendum: Know your target and what lies beyond.

    *I definitely believe that a reasonable compromise, requiring all private to private firearms purchases to be brokered through an FFL or analogous entity which can perform the necessary checks/safeguards.

    You've got my thumbs up for that.
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    KamenRiderBlade 5 months ago#94
    The Canadian "ACTS" acronym is easier for civilians to remember; but it's basically the same as your "Treat-Never-Keep-Keep" acronym.
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    big_pimper 5 months ago#95
    Libs probably want this guy charged with murder for being a hero
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    zeppelin4ever42 5 months ago#96
    big_pimper posted...
    Libs probably want this guy charged with murder for being a hero

    Where has any liberal in this topic said that?
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    GritBusters 5 months ago#97
    Notti posted...
    KamenRiderBlade posted...
    darkace77450 posted...
    Guns are bad and they're used by bad people to do bad things 100% of the time. It's time to repeal the 2nd amendment.
    Wow, what a childish Black & White view of a subject.


    Yup, NRA supporters are often simple minded children who think in black and white.

    That why regulations exist. (ewww, gun regulation bad!)

    To cover the middle ground for a more nuanced approach.


    Fundamentally, the problem in the United States and the countries it influence is that issues relating to guns are grafted onto the left-right spectrum, to the point where some low-information voters in the United States preferred the neoconservative warmonger over the progressive candidate because she took a more doctrinaire anti-guns approach.
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    SaikyoStyle 5 months ago#98
    KamenRiderBlade posted...
    Alesandros posted...
    QED

    What next?
    The only way Saikyo would have to admit that that person in the picture is you is if you take a Selfie with your Smart Phone with you holding Your GameFAQs username hand written on a piece of paper.

    Also have a Selfie of you with your head next to your monitor while logged into GameFAQs with your account user name clearly visible

    At that point, it'll be pretty hard to refute that you are who you say you are when you have that level of evidence

    You should get better friends who lie less.
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    Alesandros 5 months ago#99
    KamenRiderBlade posted...
    Alesandros posted...
    QED

    What next?
    The only way Saikyo would have to admit that that person in the picture is you is if you take a Selfie with your Smart Phone with you holding Your GameFAQs username hand written on a piece of paper.

    Also have a Selfie of you with your head next to your monitor while logged into GameFAQs with your account user name clearly visible

    At that point, it'll be pretty hard to refute that you are who you say you are when you have that level of evidence


    Ha, I know right? Even if I were to do it, a certain someone would claim it was "photo-shopped".
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    KamenRiderBlade 5 months ago#100
    Alesandros posted...
    Ha, I know right? Even if I were to do it, a certain someone would claim it was "photo-shopped".
    I dare you to do it to see how far you can push SaikyoStyle into denial.
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      SaikyoStyle 5 months ago#101
      What an adorable little slumber party you two are having.
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      KamenRiderBlade 5 months ago#102
      SaikyoStyle posted...
      What an adorable little slumber party you two are having.
      You're more than happy to join, you can leave your snark at the door.
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      AcFan87 5 months ago#103
      Alesandros posted...
      SaikyoStyle posted...
      Alesandros posted...
      SaikyoStyle posted...
      Every gun-free zone I've ever been to has been shooter-free. Guess they really do work.


      What were the names of the schools, movie theaters, and airports that were not the gun-free zones that gun violence did not happen at again?

      My memory must be mistaken.

      Maybe you're just ruled by womanly emotions and have something to prove.

      I've also got this rock that keeps tigers away. Haven't been attacked by tigers since I started carrying it.


      "Womanly emotions"

      Why are you equivocating women's emotions with something concerning an overly emotional response in a negative connotation? You damn bigot! Leave your prejudice at the door.

      *FYI: I'm a United States Marine... and probably more of a man than you. Well, eh if you're a man... well cis male. If you're not, then I apologize for assuming your gender.

      I can feel the manly testosterone oozing from your post and into my living room, sir......also thank you for your service.
      AcFan87 5 months ago#104
      TheHonorableOne posted...
      Leftists and democrats want to lock up that hero.

      Of course they do.
      InfiniteMick 5 months ago#105
      SaikyoStyle posted...
      What an adorable little slumber party you two are having.

      Haha. That was a good one, actually.
      "You'd think people would be a little more tolerant of others in this day and age. *sigh* I guess stupidity and ignorance will never go out of style."
      Socarrat 5 months ago#106
      KamenRiderBlade posted...
      you go through the current processes of tracking a gun and it still works just fine.

      There should be enough law enforcement agencies that disagree, the ones most of your stances seem depend on, for you to rethink what you've just said.

      KamenRiderBlade posted...
      The biggest loop whole isn't the "Gun Show Loophole", which is a label pushed onto the mainstream media by Anti-Gun folks; that's a misnomer, it's the person to person transaction loophole.

      You cannot just put this on the mainstream media. It represents 0% of my views on the gun show loop hole for instance. I get pro-gun posters mixed up here, but are you the one who never went to a typical gun show in the U.S.? I've been to many and of various "shades", i'll just say. What stuck the "gun show" sticker on to this is the heavy visual of unlicensed dealers with inventories exactly as large as the FFL dealers right next to each other.

      And I'll add to this that if anything the media shows gun shows in a misleadingly positive light more than anything, because the cameras are drawn towards the large annual ones where dealing without a FFL is allowed, but FFL booths will represent 80% of the sellers and background checks are encouraged, sometimes even required (although loosely enforced, naturally), by the show itself if you rent a booth without a FFL. The ones they have as often as the loop hole allows (you can not feasibly keep a gun show running 24/7 in counties all over the nation with just psuedo "collector hobbyist", just so ya' know), can be quite shady. People regularly walk out with dozens of cheap firearms sold by people desperate to sell them without hardly any worry of any serious repercussions at all. So, yeah, I'm going to stick to calling the loop hole the "gun show" loop hole for now.

      GritBusters posted...
      Fundamentally, the problem in the United States and the countries it influence is that issues relating to guns are grafted onto the left-right spectrum,

      Exactly, but I feel it's important for both sides to know that this happened relatively recently in U.S. history and the manufacturers intentionally hijacked gun culture in order to make it happen. The threat of anti-gun legislation actually sells guns for them and an over-abundance of firearms in circulation is what's indirectly the most responsible for the negative connotations in the U.S. to begin with.
      KamenRiderBlade 5 months ago#107
      Socarrat posted...
      There should be enough law enforcement agencies that disagree, the ones most of your stances seem depend on, for you to rethink what you've just said.

      eFVTQJH
      70% of Police surveyed said "NO!" to National Tracking of Legal Gun sales, the current system works just fine.
      So I'm pretty confident that most Police are on my side as well on that subject.

      Socarrat posted...
      You cannot just put this on the mainstream media. It represents 0% of my views on the gun show loop hole for instance. I get pro-gun posters mixed up here, but are you the one who never went to a typical gun show in the U.S.? I've been to many and over various "shades", i'll just say. What stuck the "gun show" sticker on to this is the heavy visual of unlicensed dealers with inventories exactly as large as the FFL dealers right next to each other.

      And I'll add to this that if anything the media shows gun shows in a misleadingly positive light more than anything, because the cameras are drawn towards the large annual ones where dealing without a FFL is allowed, but FFL booths will represent 80% of the sellers and background checks are encouraged, sometimes even required (although loosely enforced, naturally), by the show itself if you rent a booth without a FFL. The ones they have as often as the loop hole allows (you can not feasibly keep a gun show running 24/7 in counties all over the nation with just psuedo "collector hobbyist", just so ya' know), can be quite shady. People regularly walk out with dozens of cheap firearms sold by people desperate to sell them without hardly any worry of any serious repercussions at all. So, yeah, I'm going to stick to calling the loop hole the "gun show" loop hole for now.
      Then change all Gun Shows to require proper FFL licensing for all booths that sell actual guns, that's not a difficult concept to follow or enforce.
      Anybody caught selling or transacting Firearms without using a FFL as a intermediary, punish them according to the law, make big signs warning people not to transact without using a FFL licensed intermediary.
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      KamenRiderBlade 5 months ago#108
      Socarrat posted...
      Exactly, but I feel it's important for both sides to know that this happened relatively recently in U.S. history and the manufacturers intentionally hijacked gun culture in order to make it happen. The threat of anti-gun legislation actually sells guns for them and an over-abundance of firearms in circulation is what's indirectly the most responsible for the negative connotations in the U.S. to begin with.
      If Anti-Gun legislation didn't exist; there wouldn't be spikes in gun sales, period. You want to slow down Gun sales? Don't push Anti-Gun Legislation, that just causes increased sales.
      Obama and liberals with their threats and sometimes enaction of Anti-Gun legislation are the greatest salesman of all.
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      Socarrat 5 months ago#109
      -I was talking nationally, state-to-state.

      -My point on the loop hole getting "gun show" stuck to it still stands. You're talking about the future you want, I'm talking about now. I was critizing you blaming the media for it.

      -You're confusing cause and effect I believe. With politicians aside, no matter how wrong we feel anti-gun people are, whether it's your girlfriend or grandfather, they typically come from a position of complete and utter honesty. On the other hand, even my close gun owning friends and family are afraid to admit publicly that their primary reason for owning a gun is and always has been since childhood, "uh they're badass, duh" but publicly (well, on social media) they're on the defense 24/7 and lie that it's all about self-defense. For me it's the primary reason, for them it's more of a perk. They'll just straight up lie as easily as they breath on that though, publicly. I try to keep this out of gun conversations because of how instigating and unproductive it is to say, but there it is. Sorry to blow the whistle. Many people want to ban because they're scary looking, many people want to buy because their scary looking. I say we just except that as fact, quit trying to make manufacturers happy, and find a way to move on from that some how if we're gonna find solutions like this topic has been throwing out.
      InfiniteMick 5 months ago#110
      KamenRiderBlade posted...
      Socarrat posted...
      There should be enough law enforcement agencies that disagree, the ones most of your stances seem depend on, for you to rethink what you've just said.

      eFVTQJH
      70% of Police surveyed said "NO!" to National Tracking of Legal Gun sales, the current system works just fine.
      So I'm pretty confident that most Police are on my side as well on that subject.

      Socarrat posted...
      You cannot just put this on the mainstream media. It represents 0% of my views on the gun show loop hole for instance. I get pro-gun posters mixed up here, but are you the one who never went to a typical gun show in the U.S.? I've been to many and over various "shades", i'll just say. What stuck the "gun show" sticker on to this is the heavy visual of unlicensed dealers with inventories exactly as large as the FFL dealers right next to each other.

      And I'll add to this that if anything the media shows gun shows in a misleadingly positive light more than anything, because the cameras are drawn towards the large annual ones where dealing without a FFL is allowed, but FFL booths will represent 80% of the sellers and background checks are encouraged, sometimes even required (although loosely enforced, naturally), by the show itself if you rent a booth without a FFL. The ones they have as often as the loop hole allows (you can not feasibly keep a gun show running 24/7 in counties all over the nation with just psuedo "collector hobbyist", just so ya' know), can be quite shady. People regularly walk out with dozens of cheap firearms sold by people desperate to sell them without hardly any worry of any serious repercussions at all. So, yeah, I'm going to stick to calling the loop hole the "gun show" loop hole for now.
      Then change all Gun Shows to require proper FFL licensing for all booths that sell actual guns, that's not a difficult concept to follow or enforce.
      Anybody caught selling or transacting Firearms without using a FFL as a intermediary, punish them according to the law, make big signs warning people not to transact without using a FFL licensed intermediary.

      Pretty sure we already knew the majority of police were conservatives.
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      Alesandros 5 months ago#111
      InfiniteMick posted...
      KamenRiderBlade posted...
      Socarrat posted...
      There should be enough law enforcement agencies that disagree, the ones most of your stances seem depend on, for you to rethink what you've just said.

      eFVTQJH
      70% of Police surveyed said "NO!" to National Tracking of Legal Gun sales, the current system works just fine.
      So I'm pretty confident that most Police are on my side as well on that subject.

      Socarrat posted...
      You cannot just put this on the mainstream media. It represents 0% of my views on the gun show loop hole for instance. I get pro-gun posters mixed up here, but are you the one who never went to a typical gun show in the U.S.? I've been to many and over various "shades", i'll just say. What stuck the "gun show" sticker on to this is the heavy visual of unlicensed dealers with inventories exactly as large as the FFL dealers right next to each other.

      And I'll add to this that if anything the media shows gun shows in a misleadingly positive light more than anything, because the cameras are drawn towards the large annual ones where dealing without a FFL is allowed, but FFL booths will represent 80% of the sellers and background checks are encouraged, sometimes even required (although loosely enforced, naturally), by the show itself if you rent a booth without a FFL. The ones they have as often as the loop hole allows (you can not feasibly keep a gun show running 24/7 in counties all over the nation with just psuedo "collector hobbyist", just so ya' know), can be quite shady. People regularly walk out with dozens of cheap firearms sold by people desperate to sell them without hardly any worry of any serious repercussions at all. So, yeah, I'm going to stick to calling the loop hole the "gun show" loop hole for now.
      Then change all Gun Shows to require proper FFL licensing for all booths that sell actual guns, that's not a difficult concept to follow or enforce.
      Anybody caught selling or transacting Firearms without using a FFL as a intermediary, punish them according to the law, make big signs warning people not to transact without using a FFL licensed intermediary.

      Pretty sure we already knew the majority of police were conservatives.


      I wonder why?
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      Socarrat 5 months ago#112
      And I was referring to the enforcement agencies that these police hand the guns over to for tracing and those that deal with trafficking, etc anyway. Not Chief Wiggum and his police union stance.
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