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September 13, 2018

you are begging them to cut stuff from the game to sell too you later...WHY?

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Roxborough4Ever 6 days ago#1
dont you understand that is exactly what DLC has been, and always will be?
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Collat 6 days ago#2
Not everyone is Capcom.
ShadowRaiden00 6 days ago#3
leon3789 6 days ago#4
Bad companies do this, yeah. However something made AFTER the fact and released later as DLC is 100% fine. 

That said people already asking for DLC are....why? Like when the game drops sure but anything I want now I'd prefer to be on the base roster.
ChimiChanga 6 days ago#5
Mediocre bait.
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0Swordsman0 6 days ago#6
There are absolutely companies that do this but if they start dlc after the game is released how is that "cut content"? I wouldn't support this game if they did day 1 dlc though like what soul calibur is doing. That shit is literally a cut character.
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Young_Link 6 days ago#7
Roxborough4Ever posted...
dont you understand that is exactly what DLC has been, and always will be?

No. Your boogeyman headcanon for what DLC is, isn't true. DLC is not always content cut from the game to be released later.
Lizuka8002 6 days ago#8
That's not how all DLC works by any means. Some companies do that but a lot of the times DLC is content that just plain wouldn't be made otherwise.
SuperSonicDBZ 6 days ago#9
Not every company does it that way. Shame on the ones that do.

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TriforceX5 6 days ago#10
0Swordsman0 posted...
There are absolutely companies that do this but if they start dlc after the game is released how is that "cut content"? I wouldn't support this game if they did day 1 dlc though like what soul calibur is doing. That shit is literally a cut character.

Please support Soul Calibur if the base game is good, 6 is shaping up to be incredible so far and if it doesn't get any sales the series will die, boycotting this will not produce the result you likely want as they will just assume Soul Calibur as a series is dead. Refusing to purchase the DLC after buying the base game however will show them what you want - better DLC practices.
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FeelinFine09 6 days ago#11
If they expand on what they can't already give us, such as poll asking us which AT's we want playable, then that's giving us extra content that wasn't originally intended instead of holding back what was.
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ArmedDragoon 6 days ago#12
I was extremely confused about the topic title because no one ever asks for that, then entered the topic and understood. It's a classic DLC strawman!

0Swordsman0 posted...
There are absolutely companies that do this but if they start dlc after the game is released how is that "cut content"? I wouldn't support this game if they did day 1 dlc though like what soul calibur is doing. That shit is literally a cut character.


Day 1 DLC doesn't mean the content was finished by the time the game went gold. It's just as dumb as statement as what TC said.
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FantasyFreak999 6 days ago#13
I'm not hoping for them to cut out content for sale later. I'm hoping that they continue to work on the game after it's released. Y'know, like they did for the last game.
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Sega9599 6 days ago#14
ArmedDragoon posted...
I was extremely confused about the topic title because no one ever asks for that, then entered the topic and understood. It's a classic DLC strawman!

0Swordsman0 posted...
There are absolutely companies that do this but if they start dlc after the game is released how is that "cut content"? I wouldn't support this game if they did day 1 dlc though like what soul calibur is doing. That shit is literally a cut character.


Day 1 DLC doesn't mean the content was finished by the time the game went gold. It's just as dumb as statement as what TC said.


I know that, but apparently these guys do not, they think if you finish DLC for the day of the release, that it should have been added to the disk on the same day, as if that's how manufacturing works
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MalfuntcionJUNCITOM 6 days ago#15
TriforceX5 posted...
0Swordsman0 posted...
There are absolutely companies that do this but if they start dlc after the game is released how is that "cut content"? I wouldn't support this game if they did day 1 dlc though like what soul calibur is doing. That shit is literally a cut character.

Please support Soul Calibur if the base game is good, 6 is shaping up to be incredible so far and if it doesn't get any sales the series will die, boycotting this will not produce the result you likely want as they will just assume Soul Calibur as a series is dead. Refusing to purchase the DLC after buying the base game however will show them what you want - better DLC practices.

That's just terrorism right there. 

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Jdeo1997 6 days ago#16
I didn't know wanting continued support after release meant I wanted then to pull a EA
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Swickman81 6 days ago#17
0Swordsman0 posted...
There are absolutely companies that do this but if they start dlc after the game is released how is that "cut content"? I wouldn't support this game if they did day 1 dlc though like what soul calibur is doing. That shit is literally a cut character.

I will agree that I am not supporting SC6 due to the way they are promoting their DLC before they even showcase all the playable characters in the game. Tira looked laggy and had issues with hit boxes and hit detection in the trailer so it is obviously that she still needs work. However, I don't understand why you would not showcase what is included in the main game first. That is a ridiculous move from Namco.

But I am curious, do you guys realize that even day 1 DLC may have pushed back the release of the game. To get everything on physical media it takes at least a month lead time (which is why they say it has gone "Gold"). Meanwhile Day 1 DLC can be worked on even upto the day of release. Also the developers can continue to work on characters while the game is going through debugging and while physical copies are being printed. 

With that said I am not a fan of day 1 DLC either as it means they cut content or very possibly chunked off some content to sell to you later. Even Smash 3DS and Wii U had DLC but it also came a lot later. The Mii costumes were probably ideas they had but was cut content that was able to be brought to life through DLC. I guarantee that Cloud and Bayonetta were not even thought of as fighters in the main game. Although I am sure there was cut content for Smash U, none of it was cut in order to resell later. 

With Smash Ultimate, it is becoming such a complete package that any DLC announced I would not have an issue buying because the development team spent a lot of time and care with the game already that it was NOT cut in order to bring the game out in December.
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WobbuffetKnight 6 days ago#18
That’s not how it works. Nice try, though. Bait’s a good 1/10.
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Dragonage2ftw 6 days ago#19
@MalfuntcionJUNCITOM posted...
TriforceX5 posted...
0Swordsman0 posted...
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Please support Soul Calibur if the base game is good, 6 is shaping up to be incredible so far and if it doesn't get any sales the series will die, boycotting this will not produce the result you likely want as they will just assume Soul Calibur as a series is dead. Refusing to purchase the DLC after buying the base game however will show them what you want - better DLC practices.

That's just terrorism right there. 

"Support our shitty practices or the series gets it!"

Not even close to the actual situation.

Or terrorism.
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YoYoLeFtToRiTe 6 days ago#20
ShadowRaiden00 posted...
don't care


See that's the problem. I hate dlc and always will. I hope we don't see it at all with Smash like they're considering.
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YoYoLeFtToRiTe 6 days ago#21
Btw to answer TC's question "why". It's because gamers are morons. That's why.
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JunDageki 6 days ago#22
every character returning, total of 70 characters and more still coming for vanilla, plus more than 100 stages, a bunch of modes and costumes for free, totally not a complete game, they are definitely cutting stuff from the game to sell later, HEAR MY CONSPIRACY THEORIES!!! SPOOKY STUFF OOOoOoOOoOh!!!!
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Roxborough4Ever 6 days ago#23
leon3789 posted...
Bad companies do this, yeah. However something made AFTER the fact and released later as DLC is 100% fine. 

That said people already asking for DLC are....why? Like when the game drops sure but anything I want now I'd prefer to be on the base roster.


nothing is made "after the fact".....when a game is completed, everyone goes seperate ways to work on their next projects....they dont get the team back together to make 4 characters and a couple stages....its all made at once, its a conscience decision on what is cut and what stays in game
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Banjo2553 6 days ago#24
Roxborough4Ever posted...
dont you understand that is exactly what DLC has been, and always will be?

No.

Explain to me how Torna: The Golden Country was stripped from the base Xenoblade 2 game. Or hell even the Challenge Mode that offers Shulk, Fiora, and Elma.

Edit: Nevermind. TC's recent post above me shows that this isn't a serious topic.
DarkDemon373 6 days ago#25
TBF a lot of DLC talk originates from characters who are confirmed as not playable assist trophies and as a way for people to remain hopeful that their wanted could still come at a later date.
leon3789 6 days ago#26
Roxborough4Ever posted...
leon3789 posted...
Bad companies do this, yeah. However something made AFTER the fact and released later as DLC is 100% fine. 

That said people already asking for DLC are....why? Like when the game drops sure but anything I want now I'd prefer to be on the base roster.


nothing is made "after the fact".....when a game is completed, everyone goes seperate ways to work on their next projects....they dont get the team back together to make 4 characters and a couple stages....its all made at once, its a conscience decision on what is cut and what stays in game

Annnnnd you have 0 idea what your talking about and I've no interest in debating with a wall today.
firedoom666 6 days ago#27
Roxborough4Ever posted...
leon3789 posted...
Bad companies do this, yeah. However something made AFTER the fact and released later as DLC is 100% fine. 

That said people already asking for DLC are....why? Like when the game drops sure but anything I want now I'd prefer to be on the base roster.


nothing is made "after the fact".....when a game is completed, everyone goes seperate ways to work on their next projects....they dont get the team back together to make 4 characters and a couple stages....its all made at once, its a conscience decision on what is cut and what stays in game

you are kinda wrong, most the time developers like artists and designers have nothing to do during the QA portion of the game. And most companies cannot afford to start work on their next game while still working on another. Back before DLC a lot of people were laid off because they had nothing to do, and then rehired when the next project starts. Now during QA the developers can work on DLC so they have something to do before the next project

This also works the other way too, with QA people getting laid off right after the game releases, but now they are kept around all the time, since they need to work on DLC as well

Sure there are some terrible DLC practices out there, but in general DLC is a great thing
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AllisThat 6 days ago#28
Banjo2553 posted...
Roxborough4Ever posted...
dont you understand that is exactly what DLC has been, and always will be?

No.

Explain to me how Torna: The Golden Country was stripped from the base Xenoblade 2 game. Or hell even the Challenge Mode that offers Shulk, Fiora, and Elma.

Edit: Nevermind. TC's recent post above me shows that this isn't a serious topic.

He would have ignored you, anyway.
Roxborough4Ever 6 days ago#29
Banjo2553 posted...
Roxborough4Ever posted...
dont you understand that is exactly what DLC has been, and always will be?

No.

Explain to me how Torna: The Golden Country was stripped from the base Xenoblade 2 game. Or hell even the Challenge Mode that offers Shulk, Fiora, and Elma.

Edit: Nevermind. TC's recent post above me shows that this isn't a serious topic.


sims 1 and 2.....billards table...sims 3 and 4, where is the billards table?? the DLC! oh! there it is! 
what was once base game....is now dlc

Grand theft auto, the tank.....its in 1, 2, 3, VC, SA.....gta 4, where is the tank? The ballad of gay tony! there is the tank! what was once base game....is now dlc

the basic facts of the situation you are trying to deny is reality
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SmallerRidley 6 days ago#30
ArmedDragoon posted...
Day 1 DLC doesn't mean the content was finished by the time the game went gold. It's just as dumb as statement as what TC said.

I'd be pretty surprised if they "finished" often substantial content being sold as Day 1 DLC in the 1-2 months between gold and release. Also, with the prevalence of day 1 patches, a game going gold doesn't mean anything anymore. That post-gold time is being used to squash bugs in the base game, so where are they finding time to do the DLC if it isn't during the development of the base game? What is the justification for on-disk DLC that is clearly already completed?

Not all cut content being sold as DLC is bad, but how do they reasonably justify substantial DLC being sold on day 1?
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megafierce 6 days ago#31
Sega9599 posted...
ArmedDragoon posted...
I was extremely confused about the topic title because no one ever asks for that, then entered the topic and understood. It's a classic DLC strawman!

0Swordsman0 posted...
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Day 1 DLC doesn't mean the content was finished by the time the game went gold. It's just as dumb as statement as what TC said.


I know that, but apparently these guys do not, they think if you finish DLC for the day of the release, that it should have been added to the disk on the same day, as if that's how manufacturing works


In this day and age, that's always patchable. Whether it should be sold or not at that point is a tougher argument.

But there're no shortage of instances where content is outright cut specifically to sell back to players for extra cash. You can hardly be blamed for players feeling burnt, especially considering just how far the industry has taken its desperate cash grabs. 

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SpunkySix 6 days ago#32
It doesn't have to be that. 

We're getting a very complete roster here and the game seems stuffed with content to begin with. If they give us a complete experience and then continue to add to it, then I'll be very happy with that.

Please support Soul Calibur if the base game is good, 6 is shaping up to be incredible so far


Fam, they cut a longtime series regular just to sell her back to people separately. That's complete bullshit.
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Gameorama91 6 days ago#33
Honestly, I'm starting to come to the side of, even if DLC is announced or planned before release...it's still not bad.

Many arguments against DLC in general are something like "Remember when games were released complete?" But...no they weren't. Almost EVERY classic game has cut content that they HAD to leave out because they needed to reach their deadline. Games can't be delayed forever to put in EVERY idea they have in the base game, no matter what generation of gaming we're talking about, or so many games would just never come out. So by that logic...almost NO classic game was release complete. They were released as complete as they could make it from their original vision. 

So even if there is content they had to cut in a modern game to get the base game out in time, the only difference is that NOW, any cut content doesn't have to be completely scrapped, and they can finish it and release it later for a smaller price (sometimes free, depends on the company and game). 

Honestly, the ONLY DLC I think is flat out terrible is On Disc DLC. If you have complete content on the game disc, but it's locked from being accessed until you buy DLC, then THAT is pretty scummy. I paid for the disc, let me have what's on the disc.
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Triforceformer 6 days ago#34
It took 6 months from his announcement for Mewtwo to be released. Nintendo overall is slipping into the "Fuck the consumer" style DLC, but Sakurai is making sure it's serving its proper purpose. An extension of content past the completed based game, instead of baiting you with cut content on Day 1 or a month after release, to buy time for the much BIGGER cut content a few months later.

I want Sakurai in the September Direct to announce DLC plans before release, to straight up confirm the amount of DLC newcomers, and announce the first two of them with concept art or showing their current trophy/representation in the game if available. Because I know I won't be seeing those characters so close to release as to make me know for a fact I could have had them in the base game. Sakurai earned my trust with how he makes DLC with Smash 4. His practice of adding a promotional/advertisement character and justifying it with them being a unique function, which honestly just misses the point of a fighting game roster? That can use some work.
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mew2ds 6 days ago#35
Collat posted...
Not everyone is Capcom.
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WeaverSerawl 6 days ago#36
Yeah they cut Cloud, Bayonetta, Ryu, and a Fire Emblem character that didn't even exist yet out of Smash 4 to sell later
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himityu 6 days ago#37
Roxborough4Ever posted...
dont you understand that is exactly what DLC has been, and always will be?

No. They genuinely don't.

WeaverSerawl posted...
Cloud, Bayonetta, and a Fire Emblem character

If you were trying to make a pro-DLC case, naming the three worst members of the Sm4sh roster isn't doing it.
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Pokesamus217 6 days ago#38
Roxborough4Ever posted...
Banjo2553 posted...
Roxborough4Ever posted...
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No.

Explain to me how Torna: The Golden Country was stripped from the base Xenoblade 2 game. Or hell even the Challenge Mode that offers Shulk, Fiora, and Elma.

Edit: Nevermind. TC's recent post above me shows that this isn't a serious topic.


sims 1 and 2.....billards table...sims 3 and 4, where is the billards table?? the DLC! oh! there it is! 
what was once base game....is now dlc

Grand theft auto, the tank.....its in 1, 2, 3, VC, SA.....gta 4, where is the tank? The ballad of gay tony! there is the tank! what was once base game....is now dlc

the basic facts of the situation you are trying to deny is reality

Neither of those games are Xenoblade 2.
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TriforceX5 6 days ago#39
SpunkySix posted...
Fam, they cut a longtime series regular just to sell her back to people separately. That's complete bulls***.

then don't buy the character

I don't want to see a series I longed to come back die because of this, especially when SC6 is looking to be incredible with a high amount of single player content, return to form with gameplay and a lot of other things.

If you are going to boycott, make sure you are actually boycotting the right thing. If you want Soul Calibur then buy Soul Calibur. If you don't want DLC practices then don't buy the DLC. If they make money off the base game but not off day 1 DLC, then they will get the message on what fans want - more soul calibur and less shitty dlc practices.

That said Tira is obviously not finished by the time the game went gold, so I personally don't have an issue with it, it took extra dev time to finish her and GUESS WHAT - EXTRA DEV TIME COSTS MONEY. (That said I agree they announced her horridly and they def could have worded it a lot better)
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l33t_iRk3n_Rm33 6 days ago#40
They totally would have added Corrin before there was even concept art of her
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l33t_iRk3n_Rm33 6 days ago#41
himityu posted...
Roxborough4Ever posted...WeaverSerawl posted...
Cloud, Bayonetta, and a Fire Emblem character

If you were trying to make a pro-DLC case, naming the three worst members of the Sm4sh roster isn't doing it.

First of all, shitty opinion 

Second, way to completely miss the point, especially cutting out the words “that didn’t exist yet” to make it even less visible.

Do you actually think any of those characters would be in the base game if not for DLC? Really? Seriously?
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himityu 6 days ago#42
Pokesamus217 posted...
Explain to me how Torna: The Golden Country was stripped from the base Xenoblade 2 game. Or hell even the Challenge Mode that offers Shulk, Fiora, and Elma.

Were they planning to make that DLC before they released the game?

If yes, then they cut it just to sell it later.

Even if this meant they were able to release the (incomplete) base game early (and charge you full price for it), the takeaway is that they gave you a deliberately unfinished product and then later charged you extra to get the complete version.

l33t_iRk3n_Rm33 posted...
First of all, shitty opinion

Cloud and Bayonetta are still leagues stronger than almost the entire rest of the playable cast after a slew of nerfs.

The game would have been better without them. This is a fact.
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l33t_iRk3n_Rm33 6 days ago#43
himityu posted...
Pokesamus217 posted...
Explain to me how Torna: The Golden Country was stripped from the base Xenoblade 2 game. Or hell even the Challenge Mode that offers Shulk, Fiora, and Elma.

Were they planning to make that DLC before they released the game?

If yes, then they cut it just to sell it later.

Even if this meant they were able to release the (incomplete) base game early (and charge you full price for it), the takeaway is that they gave you a deliberately unfinished product and then later charged you extra to get the complete version.

This is some superhuman ignorance.
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himityu 6 days ago#44
l33t_iRk3n_Rm33 posted...
This is some superhuman ignorance.

Somehow, I get the impression you don't know what the word "ignorance" actually means.
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SpunkySix 6 days ago#45
TriforceX5 posted...
then don't buy the character


I won't. I won't buy the game either. I'm not gonna suck a company's dick just to make sure a series survives if they're going to keep pulling shit like that. They know it's shitty and they're doing it anyways. 

That said Tira is obviously not finished by the time the game went gold


And who's fault is that? Not ours, that's for sure. Yet we're supposed to foot the bill? Fuck Soul Calibur. It can die for all I care. Maybe then franchises won't risk trying that shit.
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Simmedon 6 days ago#46
Back in my day, we didn't have this fancy shmacy DLC. We had to buy 18 copies of the same game over and over because they added one new character or feature to the mix. And we-

Well, no. We really didn't like it then.
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TriforceX5 6 days ago#47
himityu posted...
l33t_iRk3n_Rm33 posted...
This is some superhuman ignorance.

Somehow, I get the impression you don't know what the word "ignorance" actually means.

no he's right, let me explain it better

making a video game is extremely expensive, taking years to finish and millions and millions of dollars. And all this time effort money and sweat is sold to you for $60. Did you know this price point hasn't changed much at all despite inflation? The amount of value you can get from that $60 is massive, with Xenoblade 2 as an example providing me 100h of entertainment, less than a dollar per hour of entry cost.

Making more content in a game will cost more money, as they have to pay the people working on said content, and every game has a budget and they need to make sure that the budget is in line with sales expectations - if it doesn't make a profit then the game wouldn't exist in the first place after all. So in Xenoblade 2's case, they sat down and discussed how they can budget the game and turn a profit. They allocated resources for the base game, and then allocated for the DLC while predicting how much would sell so that their budget is lower than the profit margin of expected sales. Even though it was planned from the beginning, the DLC can't be considered cut content, because without the DLC costing extra, the game would have gotten a lower budget, and thus they would simply exclude the DLC in general as they wouldn't have the funds to make it in the first place.

This can be applied to day 1 DLC as well. Even if the dev team is able to finish things for release, their expected sales might be lower than their budget, so they need to sell extra in order to turn a profit, this is why fighting games fall into this more often than other games. Fighting games other than smash usually have a niche target audience and don't sell as much as others, hence they get a lower budget than others. If they want to include the content that the loyal fans want, they have to charge a bit more to compensate for the lower than average sales numbers. Smash is the exception since it has widespread appeal, which is why they are able to budget for more than 70 characters and 103 stages in the base games and most fighting games can usually only have 20 characters. Soul Calibur 6 with Tira is a good example of this as well. They started working on her a year ago, way after a lot of other characters due to fan demand, and it took extra resources than initially planned to make her. This costs money to do and increased the budget of the game - thus they need to recoup the unplanned costs. The way they announced it is the problem, they should have not released tira day 1 and instead announced along with the first season pass character as a free bonus which sounds better for the consumer. It's actually worse for the consumer as they won't get the character day 1 and the deal is exactly the same, but *sounding* better is way way more important than actually *being* better, especially when consumers don't understand anything with game development.

Of course, some companies are for sure greedy and will try to squeeze as much profit as they possibly can, but most DLC is used to enable high budget games to exist and turn a profit to make them worth existing in the first place. If you don't want DLC, then you'd have to be prepared to shell out more than $60 for some games instead, and they might not even have the extra content the DLC would have given.

Basically, your comment is ignorant to the high costs and profit planning that goes into making a game, so his application of the word ignorant is perfect.
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Roxborough4Ever 6 days ago#48
I don't understand why you want to be taken out behind the woodshed to be whooped so bad.......you LOVE your DLC....you LOVE getting ripped off.....i just dont get it, you are begging for the shell of the game and to buy it all in little increments
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himityu 6 days ago#49
TriforceX5 posted...
Of course, some companies are for sure greedy and will try to squeeze as much profit as they possibly can, but most DLC is used to enable high budget games to exist and turn a profit to make them worth existing in the first place.

Profit is theft.
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SpunkySix 6 days ago#50
TriforceX5 posted...
Did you know this price point hasn't changed much at all despite inflation?


Did you know that they're still getting rich off of a product that it's their jobs to make and then overcharging for DLC for even more money?

most DLC is used to enable high budget games to exist and turn a profit to make them worth existing in the first place.


Are we going to pretend that these games aren't profitable without DLC? Really? SSB4 wouldn't have been profitable without charging $5 per DLC character?
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    Arne83 6 days ago#51
    Roxborough4Ever posted...
    I don't understand why you want to be taken out behind the woodshed to be whooped so bad.......you LOVE your DLC....you LOVE getting ripped off.....i just dont get it, you are begging for the shell of the game and to buy it all in little increments

    ...

    "Subtlety" isn't a word in your vocabulary, is it?
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    l33t_iRk3n_Rm33 6 days ago#52
    This is EXACTLY why people want ATs made playable via DLC, it’s something that only DLC ever could have done. And that’s not the only thing we could never get without DLC.

    I’ll be sooooo sad when they cut Not Even Any Concept Art Yet Man from the base game and sell him to me as DLC with an ARMS stage. NOT
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    Pokesamus217 6 days ago#53
    Roxborough4Ever posted...
    I don't understand why you want to be taken out behind the woodshed to be whooped so bad.......you LOVE your DLC....you LOVE getting ripped off.....i just dont get it, you are begging for the shell of the game and to buy it all in little increments

    It’s not our fault that you don’t know how proper dlc works.
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    SpunkySix 6 days ago#54
    l33t_iRk3n_Rm33 posted...
    This is EXACTLY why people want ATs made playable via DLC, it’s something that only DLC ever could have done


    I mean... this is only true if they intend to actually support the game for the long haul this time. Otherwise, we might as well just wait for the next SSB game. I did that for SSB4's DLC, and I don't feel like I missed a damn thing. If anything, it's way better because now I get to feel like there's more newcomers for me to try out.
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    TriforceX5 6 days ago#55
    SpunkySix posted...

    I won't. I won't buy the game either. I'm not gonna suck a company's dick just to make sure a series survives if they're going to keep pulling s*** like that. They know it's s***ty and they're doing it anyways.

    that's a shame...especially when the base game has a lot of clear passion and effort into it. It's clear they are actively trying to make the best soul calibur game they can given their limits to revive the series and to see it so easily discarded for one single DLC thing is sad.

    if you genuinely enjoy soul calibur as a series, please look into the content the main game has when it comes out and decide if it's worth the cost without the DLC before simply jumping on the hate train.
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    creep50 6 days ago#56
    Collat posted...
    Not everyone is Capcom.


    as a principle, ...yes they are, stop thinking that a company cares for you and won't milk you and dime you in anyway they think is the most profitable
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    SpunkySix 6 days ago#57
    TriforceX5 posted...
    especially when the base game has a lot of clear passion and effort into it


    Not enough to include the series regulars, obviously. 

    It's clear they are actively trying to make the best soul calibur game


    No it's not. It looks half-assed. Imagine trying to sell Chun-Li as DLC and then telling people that you did your best to make a SF game. 

    if you genuinely enjoy soul calibur as a series, please look into the content the main game has when it comes out and decide if it's worth the cost without the DLC before simply jumping on the hate train.


    It's not. I am not paying for something with cut corners like that, ever. It's not a hate train, it's taking a stand against bullshit and it should've happened ages ago. 

    creep50 posted...
    Collat posted...
    Not everyone is Capcom.


    as a principle, ...yes they are, stop thinking that a company cares for you and won't milk you and dime you in anyway they think is the most profitable


    This.
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    creep50 6 days ago#58
    Young_Link posted...
    Roxborough4Ever posted...
    dont you understand that is exactly what DLC has been, and always will be?

    No. Your boogeyman headcanon for what DLC is, isn't true. DLC is not always content cut from the game to be released later.


    ''headcanon'' my butt...it has been multiply proven and admitted by companies that they do this...this is how they make money have have done so for 10 years, ragerdless of wather it is ''all'' or not

    only people like you that are in denial of reality think that this isn't happening and continue to support it through naive ignorance
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    SpunkySix 6 days ago#59
    creep50 posted...
    t has been multiply proven and admitted by companies that they do this


    That doesn't mean that literally every example of DLC is that, though.
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    himityu 6 days ago#60
    creep50 posted...
    Collat posted...
    Not everyone is Capcom.


    as a principle, ...yes they are, stop thinking that a company cares for you and won't milk you and dime you in anyway they think is the most profitable

    Literally this.

    Businesses exist to rip you off as badly as they can manage to get away with. That is literally their entire raison d'etre.
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    AllisThat 6 days ago#61
    creep50 posted...
    Young_Link posted...
    Roxborough4Ever posted...
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    No. Your boogeyman headcanon for what DLC is, isn't true. DLC is not always content cut from the game to be released later.


    ''headcanon'' my butt...it has been multiply proven and admitted by companies that they do this...this is how they make money have have done so for 10 years, ragerdless of wather it is ''all'' or not

    only people like you that are in denial of reality think that this isn't happening and continue to support it through naive ignorance

    *ahem*
    Makattack202 6 days ago#62
    this is a low quality topic tbh
    It reeks of stupidity in here.
    creep50 6 days ago#63
    ArmedDragoon posted...
    Day 1 DLC doesn't mean the content was finished by the time the game went gold. It's just as dumb as statement as what TC said


    90% of the time it is content that was never intended to be in the original packaged but was still using resources that where not being spent on the game

    of course 'cut' implies that the content was intended to be there in the first place, but that is not exactly what people mean, just that they are already planing 'nickle and diming ' practises before the game is released

    and you have to be extremely naive to deny that
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    Makattack202 6 days ago#65
    creep50 posted...
    ArmedDragoon posted...
    Day 1 DLC doesn't mean the content was finished by the time the game went gold. It's just as dumb as statement as what TC said


    90% of the time it is content that was never intended to be in the original packaged but was still using resources that where not being spent on the game

    of course 'cut' implies that the content was intended to be there in the first place, but that is not exactly what people mean, just that they are already planing 'nickle and diming ' practises before the game is released

    and you have to be extremely naive to deny that

    You're right, they should ban DLC as well as restaurant desserts for taking focus away from the main course.
    It reeks of stupidity in here.
    YoYoLeFtToRiTe 5 days ago#66
    Makattack202 posted...
    creep50 posted...
    ArmedDragoon posted...
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    90% of the time it is content that was never intended to be in the original packaged but was still using resources that where not being spent on the game

    of course 'cut' implies that the content was intended to be there in the first place, but that is not exactly what people mean, just that they are already planing 'nickle and diming ' practises before the game is released

    and you have to be extremely naive to deny that

    You're right, they should ban DLC as well as restaurant desserts for taking focus away from the main course.


    This is seriously a shitty counter argument.
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    Okamiden3 5 days ago#67
    ChimiChanga posted...
    Mediocre bait.
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    Makattack202 5 days ago#68
    YoYoLeFtToRiTe posted...
    Makattack202 posted...
    creep50 posted...
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    You're right, they should ban DLC as well as restaurant desserts for taking focus away from the main course.


    This is seriously a shitty counter argument.

    Why? Its the same general concept.
    It reeks of stupidity in here.
    himityu 5 days ago#69
    Makattack202 posted...
    YoYoLeFtToRiTe posted...
    Makattack202 posted...
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    This is seriously a shitty counter argument.

    Why? Its the same general concept.

    When you find a way to attach Xenoblade 2's DLC to Sonic Mania and play it, you can compare DLC to desserts.
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    l33t_iRk3n_Rm33 5 days ago#70
    SpunkySix posted...
    l33t_iRk3n_Rm33 posted...
    This is EXACTLY why people want ATs made playable via DLC, it’s something that only DLC ever could have done


    I mean... this is only true if they intend to actually support the game for the long haul this time. Otherwise, we might as well just wait for the next SSB game. I did that for SSB4's DLC, and I don't feel like I missed a damn thing. If anything, it's way better because now I get to feel like there's more newcomers for me to try out.

    Why wouldn’t they? This is a console that people actually have. Now that they know DLC works for Smash, they could support it just about as long as they want. They could support this game as long as they support the Switch itself and not regret it in the slightest.

    And while I know people said this last time, I think it’s safe to say next Smash will have a much smaller roster, so there’s a lot of characters that aren’t getting in Smash by any means except Ultimate DLC.

    And I don’t wanna wait four years for Spring Man.
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    megafierce 5 days ago#71
    SpunkySix posted...
    this is only true if they intend to actually support the game for the long haul this time


    Over four years isn't long enough of a haul for you? Sure, it's less time between games than before, but the tradeoff is getting one of Nintendo's best multiplayer games on the Switch that much sooner, so I'm certainly not upset over it. 

    We're very unlikely to even have the new Nintendo console out in another four years plus change, let alone the next generation Smash.
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    Blujae 5 days ago#72
    Roxborough4Ever posted...
    Banjo2553 posted...
    Roxborough4Ever posted...
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    No.

    Explain to me how Torna: The Golden Country was stripped from the base Xenoblade 2 game. Or hell even the Challenge Mode that offers Shulk, Fiora, and Elma.

    Edit: Nevermind. TC's recent post above me shows that this isn't a serious topic.


    sims 1 and 2.....billards table...sims 3 and 4, where is the billards table?? the DLC! oh! there it is! 
    what was once base game....is now dlc

    Grand theft auto, the tank.....its in 1, 2, 3, VC, SA.....gta 4, where is the tank? The ballad of gay tony! there is the tank! what was once base game....is now dlc

    the basic facts of the situation you are trying to deny is reality


    Nintendo isn't EA or Rockstar. You can't accuse Nintendo of doing something just because other developers did.
    Roxborough4Ever 5 days ago#73
    Blujae posted...
    Roxborough4Ever posted...
    Banjo2553 posted...
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    sims 1 and 2.....billards table...sims 3 and 4, where is the billards table?? the DLC! oh! there it is! 
    what was once base game....is now dlc

    Grand theft auto, the tank.....its in 1, 2, 3, VC, SA.....gta 4, where is the tank? The ballad of gay tony! there is the tank! what was once base game....is now dlc

    the basic facts of the situation you are trying to deny is reality


    Nintendo isn't EA or Rockstar. You can't accuse Nintendo of doing something just because other developers did.


    it's a industry wide standard because you've not only allowed it for so long, but begged for it
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    AllisThat 5 days ago#74
    Roxborough4Ever posted...
    Blujae posted...
    Roxborough4Ever posted...
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    Nintendo isn't EA or Rockstar. You can't accuse Nintendo of doing something just because other developers did.


    it's a industry wide standard because you've not only allowed it for so long, but begged for it

    You completely ignored what he said. You should, instead of generalizing the ENTIRE industry as evil.
    ArmedDragoon 5 days ago#75
    creep50 posted...
    ArmedDragoon posted...
    Day 1 DLC doesn't mean the content was finished by the time the game went gold. It's just as dumb as statement as what TC said


    90% of the time it is content that was never intended to be in the original packaged but was still using resources that where not being spent on the game

    of course 'cut' implies that the content was intended to be there in the first place, but that is not exactly what people mean, just that they are already planing 'nickle and diming ' practises before the game is released

    and you have to be extremely naive to deny that


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