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September 15, 2017

Today I learned that there was a Roman Emperor who may have been transgender

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Elagabalus, Roman Emperor from 218 to 222. He was only 18 when he was assassinated. He married a man (and several women). 
He was described as having been "delighted to be called the mistress, the wife, the queen of Hierocles" and was reported to have offered vast sums of money to any physician who could equip him with female genitalia

Also, he apparently would wear wigs and prostituted himself in the imperial palace
Caligula appointed his horse to the senate.
LooksLikeDarko posted...
Elagabalus, Roman Emperor from 218 to 222. He was only 18 when he was assassinated. He married a man (and several women). 
He was described as having been "delighted to be called the mistress, the wife, the queen of Hierocles" and was reported to have offered vast sums of money to any physician who could equip him with female genitalia

Also, he apparently would wear wigs and prostituted himself in the imperial palace

I wouldn't say she was a prostitute. It's not like she's getting paid. She's sleeping around because she enjoys it, and likes bottoming.
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ForestLogic 2 days ago#4
ChromaticAngel posted...
Caligula appointed his horse to the senate.


Now THIS is awesome.
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ForestLogic posted...
ChromaticAngel posted...
Caligula appointed his horse to the senate.


Now THIS is awesome.


Honestly that horse probably did more than anyone in our senate
gunplagirl 2 days ago#6
TheDarkCircle posted...
ForestLogic posted...
ChromaticAngel posted...
Caligula appointed his horse to the senate.


Now THIS is awesome.


Honestly that horse probably did more than anyone in our senate


Reminds me of that guy who got his horse to become ruler of the world in a video game
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It's tragic he was assassinated. Even in the classical period the "bury your queer people trope" was in full swing.
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UnholyMudcrab  needs big 32 days ago#8
ChromaticAngel posted...
Caligula appointed his horse to the senate.

It was a consulship, not a senate position, and it's highly debatable whether it happened at all. The story was written by men who lived decades after Caligula and hated him, and it wasn't beyond Roman historians at the time to fabricate things to make their opponents look bad. On the off-chance that Caligula did actually do that, he likely would have done it to humiliate dignitaries, not because he was insane.
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UnholyMudcrab posted...
ChromaticAngel posted...
Caligula appointed his horse to the senate.

It was a consulship, not a senate position, and it's highly debatable whether it happened at all. The story was written by men who lived decades after Caligula and hated him, and it wasn't beyond Roman historians at the time to fabricate things to make their opponents look bad. On the off-chance that Caligula did actually do that, he likely would have done it to humiliate dignitaries, not because he was insane.

This is correct, but he was insane anyway.
Canuklehead 2 days ago#10
TheDarkCircle posted...
ForestLogic posted...
ChromaticAngel posted...
Caligula appointed his horse to the senate.


Now THIS is awesome.


Honestly that horse probably did more than anyone in our senate


How could they get anything done if they always voted neigh?
gunplagirl 2 days ago#11
Canuklehead posted...
TheDarkCircle posted...
ForestLogic posted...
ChromaticAngel posted...
Caligula appointed his horse to the senate.


Now THIS is awesome.


Honestly that horse probably did more than anyone in our senate


How could they get anything done if they always voted neigh?


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And they'd winney
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LooksLikeDarko 2 days ago#12
hollow_shrine posted...
LooksLikeDarko posted...
Elagabalus, Roman Emperor from 218 to 222. He was only 18 when he was assassinated. He married a man (and several women). 
He was described as having been "delighted to be called the mistress, the wife, the queen of Hierocles" and was reported to have offered vast sums of money to any physician who could equip him with female genitalia

Also, he apparently would wear wigs and prostituted himself in the imperial palace

I wouldn't say she was a prostitute. It's not like she's getting paid. She's sleeping around because she enjoys it, and likes bottoming.

Actually, he (going to use that pronoun because it was never confirmed that he is transgendered) did get paid

He would collect money from his patrons and give himself airs over his gains; he would also dispute with his associates in this shameful occupation, claiming that he had more lovers than they and took in more money.
LooksLikeDarko posted...
hollow_shrine posted...
LooksLikeDarko posted...
Elagabalus, Roman Emperor from 218 to 222. He was only 18 when he was assassinated. He married a man (and several women). 
He was described as having been "delighted to be called the mistress, the wife, the queen of Hierocles" and was reported to have offered vast sums of money to any physician who could equip him with female genitalia

Also, he apparently would wear wigs and prostituted himself in the imperial palace

I wouldn't say she was a prostitute. It's not like she's getting paid. She's sleeping around because she enjoys it, and likes bottoming.

Actually, he (going to use that pronoun because it was never confirmed that he is transgendered) did get paid

He would collect money from his patrons and give himself airs over his gains; he would also dispute with his associates in this shameful occupation, claiming that he had more lovers than they and took in more money.

I stand corrected.



It's kind of cool to know these working girls have always been out here snatching coins and weaves.
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hollow_shrine posted...
LooksLikeDarko posted...
Elagabalus, Roman Emperor from 218 to 222. He was only 18 when he was assassinated. He married a man (and several women). 
He was described as having been "delighted to be called the mistress, the wife, the queen of Hierocles" and was reported to have offered vast sums of money to any physician who could equip him with female genitalia

Also, he apparently would wear wigs and prostituted himself in the imperial palace

I wouldn't say she was a prostitute. It's not like she's getting paid. She's sleeping around because she enjoys it, and likes bottoming.


He

don't get worried about mis-gendering a dead roman emperror lol
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darkphoenix181 posted...
hollow_shrine posted...
LooksLikeDarko posted...
Elagabalus, Roman Emperor from 218 to 222. He was only 18 when he was assassinated. He married a man (and several women). 
He was described as having been "delighted to be called the mistress, the wife, the queen of Hierocles" and was reported to have offered vast sums of money to any physician who could equip him with female genitalia

Also, he apparently would wear wigs and prostituted himself in the imperial palace

I wouldn't say she was a prostitute. It's not like she's getting paid. She's sleeping around because she enjoys it, and likes bottoming.


He

don't get worried about mis-gendering a dead roman emperror lol

She's a bad ass queen, and the least we can do is try and call her what we think she'd like to have been called.
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LooksLikeDarko 2 days ago#17
hollow_shrine posted...
darkphoenix181 posted...
hollow_shrine posted...
LooksLikeDarko posted...
Elagabalus, Roman Emperor from 218 to 222. He was only 18 when he was assassinated. He married a man (and several women). 
He was described as having been "delighted to be called the mistress, the wife, the queen of Hierocles" and was reported to have offered vast sums of money to any physician who could equip him with female genitalia

Also, he apparently would wear wigs and prostituted himself in the imperial palace

I wouldn't say she was a prostitute. It's not like she's getting paid. She's sleeping around because she enjoys it, and likes bottoming.


He

don't get worried about mis-gendering a dead roman emperror lol

She's a bad ass queen, and the least we can do is try and call her what we think she'd like to have been called.

We don't really know what he would want though. I feel like its safer to use the birth pronouns in this case
Zikten 2 days ago#18
hollow_shrine posted...
It's tragic he was assassinated. Even in the classical period the "bury your queer people trope" was in full swing.

Romans did not care about that. Rome was filled with sexual experimentation
ForestLogic posted...
ChromaticAngel posted...
Caligula appointed his horse to the senate.


Now THIS is awesome.

You should read up on him or check out the movie. He was bats*** insane.
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ROBANN_88 2 days ago#20
Zikten posted...
hollow_shrine posted...
It's tragic he was assassinated. Even in the classical period the "bury your queer people trope" was in full swing.

Romans did not care about that. Rome was filled with sexual experimentation


this.
if anything, he was just killed cause he was the Emperor and someone else wanted the job
Lodgick 2 days ago#21
LooksLikeDarko posted...
was reported to have offered vast sums of money to any physician who could equip him with female genitalia

Lmao how on earth would they manage that in the year damn 222.
Sad.
LooksLikeDarko 2 days ago#22
Zikten posted...
hollow_shrine posted...
It's tragic he was assassinated. Even in the classical period the "bury your queer people trope" was in full swing.

Romans did not care about that. Rome was filled with sexual experimentation

According to the Wikipedia article as well as a couple others, Elagabalus' sexual activities did not make the Romans very happy. Between his sexual preferences and prostituting himself, he was was pretty hated. Plus his religious ideology upset a lot of people
Tmaster148 2 days ago#23
Lodgick posted...
LooksLikeDarko posted...
was reported to have offered vast sums of money to any physician who could equip him with female genitalia

Lmao how on earth would they manage that in the year damn 222.


Wouldn't stop someone from trying for money.
ROBANN_88 2 days ago#24
if anyone wants to know more, i can highly recommend the "History of Rome" podcast 

it has been a few years since i lisyened to it so i don't remember this guy specifically, but here's the episode on him
http://thehistoryofrome.typepad.com/the_history_of_rome/2010/08/104-here-comes-the-sun.html
Lodgick posted...
LooksLikeDarko posted...
was reported to have offered vast sums of money to any physician who could equip him with female genitalia

Lmao how on earth would they manage that in the year damn 222.

They had knives and stitches. It might not be perfect, but they could give it a shot!
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Newhopes 2 days ago#26
They think Elagabalus was a male learning hermaphrodite, which isn't really a trans.
LooksLikeDarko 2 days ago#27
Newhopes posted...
They think Elagabalus was a male learning hermaphrodite, which isn't really a trans.

Do you have a source? I haven't found that in anything I've read (which hasn't been much to be fair)
LooksLikeDarko 2 days ago#28
Yo, Caligula was weird as s***
gunplagirl 1 day ago#29
LooksLikeDarko posted...
hollow_shrine posted...
darkphoenix181 posted...
hollow_shrine posted...
LooksLikeDarko posted...
Elagabalus, Roman Emperor from 218 to 222. He was only 18 when he was assassinated. He married a man (and several women). 
He was described as having been "delighted to be called the mistress, the wife, the queen of Hierocles" and was reported to have offered vast sums of money to any physician who could equip him with female genitalia

Also, he apparently would wear wigs and prostituted himself in the imperial palace

I wouldn't say she was a prostitute. It's not like she's getting paid. She's sleeping around because she enjoys it, and likes bottoming.


He

don't get worried about mis-gendering a dead roman emperror lol

She's a bad ass queen, and the least we can do is try and call her what we think she'd like to have been called.

We don't really know what he would want though. I feel like its safer to use the birth pronouns in this case


It really isn't safer though, considering the details REEK of signs she was trans
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gunplagirl 1 day ago#30
Lodgick posted...
LooksLikeDarko posted...
was reported to have offered vast sums of money to any physician who could equip him with female genitalia

Lmao how on earth would they manage that in the year damn 222.

Alchemy?
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jumi 1 day ago#31
gunplagirl posted...
Lodgick posted...
LooksLikeDarko posted...
was reported to have offered vast sums of money to any physician who could equip him with female genitalia

Lmao how on earth would they manage that in the year damn 222.

Alchemy?


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gunplagirl posted...
Lodgick posted...
LooksLikeDarko posted...
was reported to have offered vast sums of money to any physician who could equip him with female genitalia

Lmao how on earth would they manage that in the year 222.

Alchemy?


Aaaaand now I'm just wondering if in the world of FMA they can do that. If so like, would it even be legal? Human transmutation and all that. Or wait, what about their automail tech? I wonder if they can make automail penises and vaginas.
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So, now in high school history they teach about trans roman emperors?
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HitTheGroundWal posted...
Aaaaand now I'm just wondering if in the world of FMA they can do that. If so like, would it even be legal? Human transmutation and all that. Or wait, what about their automail tech? I wonder if they can make automail penises and vaginas.

I always got the sense that medical alchemy is either more unpleasant than its worth or they just never researched it. We never see it being used to treat major injuries as far as I remember.
LooksLikeDarko 1 day ago#35
gunplagirl posted...
It really isn't safer though, considering the details REEK of signs she was trans

The details easily could have been altered. Throughout Roman history, historians have slandered the people they didn't like. Details change. For instance, Elagabalus wasn't called Elagabalus until after his death
Sayoria 19 hours ago#36
My project for Ethics class back last Fall referenced him.
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