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August 23, 2017

trump legit thinks you can take coal and clean it

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Bluebomber182 4 hours ago#1
http://www.latimes.com/politics/washington/la-na-essential-washington-updates-1503463480-htmlstory.html

Trump mentioned a new coal mine that would produce "clean coal...meaning they're taking out the coal and they're going to clean it"
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so when Obama promised clean coal, his was good, right??

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clean_coal_technology

you hate trump so much, you cant see the forest from the trees its so pathetic
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Irony 4 hours ago#3
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itachi15243 4 hours ago#4
I hate Trump, but if you're going to mock someone you should at least Google it before hand.
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kkTheKiller42 4 hours ago#6
Gotta Google that s*** before you make a topic mocking it.
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Sativa_Rose 3 hours ago#8
Trump's irrational support of coal is literally the opposite of a free market approach, which is what the Republican Party is supposedly in favor of when it comes to things like energy. Trump actually just wants to give special attention and privileges to the coal industry, probably because he views "putting the miners back to work" as one of his central campaign goals.

The coal industry is already being crushed by natural gas and renewables. It cannot withstand the free market forces, and that is why Trump is trying to prop it up.
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Mal_Fet 3 hours ago#9
Sativa_Rose posted...
Trump's irrational support of coal is literally the opposite of a free market approach,

The free market approach would be nuclear power, which Democrats have halted at every turn. Even though it produces less waste than solar per unit of energy generated and produces no atmospheric waste like coal does, Obama stonewalled any attempt to make nuclear power viable and so now we're stuck with fossil fuels for the forseeable future.

Good job.
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Kavatar 3 hours ago#10
Clean coal does not mean literally cleaning the coal.
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Sativa_Rose 3 hours ago#11
Mal_Fet posted...
Sativa_Rose posted...
Trump's irrational support of coal is literally the opposite of a free market approach,

The free market approach would be nuclear power, which Democrats have halted at every turn. Even though it produces less waste than solar per unit of energy generated and produces no atmospheric waste like coal does, Obama stonewalled any attempt to make nuclear power viable and so now we're stuck with fossil fuels for the forseeable future.

Good job.


I don't think the solar energy waste thing is true. Most of what I've heard about the waste associated with building solar panels has been grossly exaggerated. 

The closest thing to a free market in energy in the US right now is actually Texas in my opinion, which does not have any nuclear I don't think. Nuclear has tons of safety regulations and takes forever to actually get built. You might say that is not "free market", but those safety aspects aren't going away any time soon. That's different from a free market when it comes to the actual buying and selling of energy.
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Capn Circus 3 hours ago#12
"Oh its gunna be so clean" (said during a different speech)
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Mal_Fet 3 hours ago#13
Sativa_Rose posted...
I don't think the solar energy waste thing is true.

It's true.

Solar panels create 300x more waste per unit of energy than nuclear does.

http://www.nationalreview.com/article/449026/solar-panel-waste-environmental-threat-clean-energy
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itachi15243 3 hours ago#14
Mal_Fet posted...
Sativa_Rose posted...
I don't think the solar energy waste thing is true.

It's true.

Solar panels create 300x more waste per unit of energy than nuclear does.

http://www.nationalreview.com/article/449026/solar-panel-waste-environmental-threat-clean-energy


Before I bother responding can you find a less biased source
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Sativa_Rose 3 hours ago#16
Mal_Fet posted...
Sativa_Rose posted...
I don't think the solar energy waste thing is true.

It's true.

Solar panels create 300x more waste per unit of energy than nuclear does.

http://www.nationalreview.com/article/449026/solar-panel-waste-environmental-threat-clean-energy


This article claims that solar panels become waste and very difficult to recycle, basically, and that they are then burned so that the copper and stuff can be extracted from them. There is no way this is true with modern solar panels, they are worth far too much. Maybe this was true with really s***ty old solar panels, but not your modern crystalline silicon or cadmium telluride panels.
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Mal_Fet 3 hours ago#17
itachi15243 posted...
Mal_Fet posted...
Sativa_Rose posted...
I don't think the solar energy waste thing is true.

It's true.

Solar panels create 300x more waste per unit of energy than nuclear does.

http://www.nationalreview.com/article/449026/solar-panel-waste-environmental-threat-clean-energy


Before I bother responding can you find a less biased source

*sigh*

http://www.environmentalprogress.org/big-news/2017/6/21/are-we-headed-for-a-solar-waste-crisis
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itachi15243 posted...
Before I bother responding can you find a less biased source

The waste is only created in the production of the panel itself. The panel, once created, doesn't create any waste beyond the s*** you need to do to clean / cool it which is mostly water.

Unlike coal, which emits a bunch of poisonous gasses, the waste of the solar panel is liquid/solid and easily contained and disposed of in ways that do not hurt the environment. Yes, the waste is extremely toxic, but it is easily controlled and managed to have 0 impact. The waste products of coal are less toxic, but almost all of it gets into the atmosphere.
pinky0926 3 hours ago#19
So can we put to bed the idea that covering the wall in solar panels is a good idea, mal?
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Were_Wyrm  awake to mic3 hours ago#20
Looks pretty clean to me.

https://www.scientificamerican.com/sciam/cache/file/D78728AD-1FD6-431E-9F2933C6D544D339.jpg
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Doom_Art 3 hours ago#21
Mal_Fet posted...
The free market approach would be nuclear power, which Democrats have halted at every turn. Even though it produces less waste than solar per unit of energy generated and produces no atmospheric waste like coal does, Obama stonewalled any attempt to make nuclear power viable and so now we're stuck with fossil fuels for the forseeable future.

it's too bad obama is president and we have a democratic majority in both chambers


oh wait
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Sativa_Rose 3 hours ago#22
ChromaticAngel posted...
itachi15243 posted...
Before I bother responding can you find a less biased source

The waste is only created in the production of the panel itself. The panel, once created, doesn't create any waste beyond the s*** you need to do to clean / cool it which is mostly water.

Unlike coal, which emits a bunch of poisonous gasses, the waste of the solar panel is liquid/solid and easily contained and disposed of in ways that do not hurt the environment. Yes, the waste is extremely toxic, but it is easily controlled and managed to have 0 impact. The waste products of coal are less toxic, but almost all of it gets into the atmosphere.


Another thing is that these assumptions that after 25 years, solar panels are going to be sitting around in landfills as "e-waste" and then burned (releasing many toxic gasses) by people salvaging through the dumps is fundamentally incorrect in my opinion.
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Doom_Art 3 hours ago#23
also this whole "coal" business is infuriating. 

why should my tax dollars be used to prop up an environmentally reckless and dying industry?
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you just think its dying, because thats what Obama and his friends parroted too you for 8 long years....coal is not dead or dying, its here to stay for the next 100 years
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Doom_Art posted...
Mal_Fet posted...
The free market approach would be nuclear power, which Democrats have halted at every turn. Even though it produces less waste than solar per unit of energy generated and produces no atmospheric waste like coal does, Obama stonewalled any attempt to make nuclear power viable and so now we're stuck with fossil fuels for the forseeable future. 

it's too bad obama is president and we have a democratic majority in both chambers


oh wait

Yeah, not quite sure how any of that is supposed to justify propping up the already dying coal industry either.
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Mal_Fet 3 hours ago#26
Doom_Art posted...
Mal_Fet posted...
The free market approach would be nuclear power, which Democrats have halted at every turn. Even though it produces less waste than solar per unit of energy generated and produces no atmospheric waste like coal does, Obama stonewalled any attempt to make nuclear power viable and so now we're stuck with fossil fuels for the forseeable future.

it's too bad obama is president and we have a democratic majority in both chambers


oh wait

They are going forward with the Yucca Mountain repository despite Obama's best efforts to quash it. Too bad all the work done previously was wasted thanks to him and we have to essentially start from square 1 again, huh?
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Milkman5 3 hours ago#27
Wow, this is the first time I'm hearing this about Solar Panels.
I never even considered whether it was recyclable or not.
Holy s***.
HypnoCoosh 3 hours ago#28
Roxborough4Ever posted...
"link! link! its not true without the link!...........................not THAT link tho............"


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Doom_Art 3 hours ago#29
3rd_Best_Master posted...
Yeah, not quite sure how any of that is supposed to justify propping up the already dying coal industry either.

"trump has the ability to use the free market solution but has to prop up a dying industry because obama"

i guess
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Sativa_Rose 3 hours ago#30
Milkman5 posted...
Wow, this is the first time I'm hearing this about Solar Panels.
I never even considered whether it was recyclable or not.
Holy s***.


They are very recyclable, the materials are worth a lot.


https://cleantechnica.com/2016/06/21/recycling-old-solar-panels-e-waste-today-gold-mines-tomorrow/

https://electrek.co/2016/06/21/solar-panels-recycling-value/

Another thing you have to understand is that any solar panels that are already at their end of life, say 20+ years old, were made no later than 1997. There was barely any solar power in the world in 1997, and those panels totally sucked compared to today's technology. So it's going to be a while before this even becomes a major issue, because solar only started becoming really huge in the post 2010 era really. Also the electrek article estimates current industry recyclability at 96%. 

So it's gonna be another 15 years or so before there starts to be large waves of solar panels reaching their end of life.
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itachi15243 3 hours ago#31
Mal_Fet posted...
itachi15243 posted...
Mal_Fet posted...
Sativa_Rose posted...
I don't think the solar energy waste thing is true.

It's true.

Solar panels create 300x more waste per unit of energy than nuclear does.

http://www.nationalreview.com/article/449026/solar-panel-waste-environmental-threat-clean-energy


Before I bother responding can you find a less biased source

*sigh*

http://www.environmentalprogress.org/big-news/2017/6/21/are-we-headed-for-a-solar-waste-crisis


By less biased I didn't mean a sight that fits your narrative better but isn't as conservative. But Chromatic explained it so it works.

First I want to know what you would do to make nuclear more feasible? You realize to even work in one in is a whole deal in itself right? Restrictions exist to prevent another chernobyl (whish is still a threat) and that's not even mentioning the cost to make the plants.

Also, just as an aside, if these solar panels are so toxic, what do you do with them when you have nuclear power to provide? I support nuclear power, but it's not something that you can just rush into.
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Mal_Fet 3 hours ago#32
Sativa_Rose posted...
They are very recyclable, the materials are worth a lot.

Solar panels themselves may be recyclable, but the waste produced making them is not. Silicon tetrachloride is HIGHLY toxic.
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Milkman5 3 hours ago#33
I was googling online and it was saying that they use coal to make solar panels. What the f*** am I reading, is this real? Some legit sites like the National Geographic were claiming this.

I'll have to do more research on this when I'm less tired
Mal_Fet 3 hours ago#34
itachi15243 posted...
First I want to know what you would do to make nuclear more feasible?

The technology is already feasible. More feasible than solar, and by a long shot.

itachi15243 posted...
You realize to even work in one in is a whole deal in itself right? Restrictions exist to prevent another chernobyl (whish is still a threat) and that's not even mentioning the cost to make the plants.

Using Chernobyl as an example of how dangerous nuclear power is is like using the Wright brothers' first working airplane as an example of how dangerous flying in a 747 is. Nuclear has come a long way since then, and even if we look at the worst nuclear disasters in recent memory, Three Mile Island and Fukushima, there's been no measurable damage caused by either.



itachi15243 posted...
Also, just as an aside, if these solar panels are so toxic, what do you do with them when you have nuclear power to provide? I support nuclear power, but it's not something that you can just rush into.

What do you mean "rush into"

France has been using nuclear for a long time since the "nuclear is evil" rhetoric never caught on and they seem to be handling it just fine.
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Doom_Art 3 hours ago#35
and hell, while i disagree with mal on solar, sure

but i agree with nuclear power

let's stop supporting a dying industry in a feeble and transparent attempt to win votes, and start splitting atoms baby
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Doom_Art posted...
and hell, while i disagree with mal on solar, sure

but i agree with nuclear power

let's stop supporting a dying industry in a feeble and transparent attempt to win votes, and start splitting atoms baby


No. Fission power plants are extremely hard to take down and will not work for us long-term. We need to invest more in Fusion power. We're almost there, but not quite.
itachi15243 3 hours ago#37
Mal_Fet posted...
itachi15243 posted...
First I want to know what you would do to make nuclear more feasible?

The technology is already feasible. More feasible than solar, and by a long shot.

itachi15243 posted...
You realize to even work in one in is a whole deal in itself right? Restrictions exist to prevent another chernobyl (whish is still a threat) and that's not even mentioning the cost to make the plants.

Using Chernobyl as an example of how dangerous nuclear power is is like using the Wright brothers' first working airplane as an example of how dangerous flying in a 747 is. Nuclear has come a long way since then, and even if we look at the worst nuclear disasters in recent memory, Three Mile Island and Fukushima, there's been no measurable damage caused by either.



itachi15243 posted...
Also, just as an aside, if these solar panels are so toxic, what do you do with them when you have nuclear power to provide? I support nuclear power, but it's not something that you can just rush into.

What do you mean "rush into"

France has been using nuclear for a long time since the "nuclear is evil" rhetoric never caught on and they seem to be handling it just fine.


What you seemed to ignore about the feasible part was the whole issue of who the f***s going to work in these plants? Who's going to pay for them?

And for the video, I'm sorry but with every other source you provided and the fact that it looks and sounds like some crappy conspiracy video, I'm not bothering.​
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awesome999 3 hours ago#38
Mal_Fet posted...
Sativa_Rose posted...
Trump's irrational support of coal is literally the opposite of a free market approach,

The free market approach would be nuclear power, which Democrats have halted at every turn. Even though it produces less waste than solar per unit of energy generated and produces no atmospheric waste like coal does, Obama stonewalled any attempt to make nuclear power viable and so now we're stuck with fossil fuels for the forseeable future.

Good job.

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Doom_Art 3 hours ago#39
i'm still confused as to how it is obama's fault that trump is unable to pursue the free market solution?

why is it obama's fault that trump (since the campaign) has championed a failed, dying industry?
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Sativa_Rose 3 hours ago#40
Milkman5 posted...
I was googling online and it was saying that they use coal to make solar panels. What the f*** am I reading, is this real? Some legit sites like the National Geographic were claiming this.

I'll have to do more research on this when I'm less tired


Whatever you read is misleading. Making anything in a factory requires electricity, and if the electric grid in that area is at all powered by coal, then you could say that it is "requiring coal" or something. However, that's only because the grid is currently using coal at that moment.

You can't manufacture the thing that is going to produce electricity cleanly without using the current sources of electricity to manufacture it, because manufacturing basically inherently requires a lot of electricity. As more solar is put on the grid, energy use in the manufacturing process becomes cleaner.

Mal_Fet posted...
Sativa_Rose posted...
They are very recyclable, the materials are worth a lot.

Solar panels themselves may be recyclable, but the waste produced making them is not. Silicon tetrachloride is HIGHLY toxic.


Maybe, but I've never once heard of it being a toxic waste disposal issue.
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