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October 13, 2017

Coroner says that the Las Vegas Gunman had a NORMAL BRAIN with NO ILLNESSES!!

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mrduckbear 1 day ago#1
Do you believe that ANYBODY is capable of committing evil things despite being a "good" person in the past? - Results (57 votes)
Yes. Any human is capable of committing acts of evil no matter how good they seem. You can't predict human behaviour
92.98%
53
No. I firmly believe that either someone has a history of violence or a mental illness can do this. Good people don't
7.02%
4
Joe Lombardo, the Las Vegas Sheriff leading the investigation into America's Worst Mass Shooting has stated that "We May Never Know" what motivated Stephen Paddock to kill 58 people after an examination on his brain revealed that he had "no abnormalities" and his girlfriend, Marilou Danley said she had "no concerns" over his mental health!!

Detectives contacted every branch of his family tree including ex-wives but uncovered nothing of his murderous intentions

Joe said "All those things that you would expect to find, we have not found. We may never know what happened'

Stephen arrived to Las Vegas 3 days earlier than originally planned but stayed in a different room and was provided free of charge by the hotel. When he moved to the corner suite, that's when the hotel started charging him.

The FBI reviewed hours of CCTV footgae but did not find evidence to suggest he went into a desert to practice shooting in the days before the massacre or that he hired a prostitute

A bellboy helped him bring several bags to his room as he traveled back and forth from his homeown of Mesquite several times.

Dr Winkler treated Paddock for anxiety but was not aware of any other medics treating him.

His brother had hoped that his brother was suffering from a terminal illness that caused him to snap but there is no evidence of him having any illnesses and the coroner said that he had a completely "normal brain" with no mental illnesses or history of violence to suggest he had a problem in his life..

Do you believe ANYONE is capable of committing evil things, even if they were a "good" person in the past?

Stephen - Deceased Killer

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2017/10/11/09/45385A2B00000578-4969140-image-a-2_1507709388300.jpg

Joe - Las Vegas Cop

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2017/10/11/09/450C27FB00000578-4969140-image-a-1_1507709385662.jpg
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There was some thing going around of a video taken on October 6th of him gambling, alive and well. Anyone see this? 

I don't buy it in the slightest, because editing and the internet age, but still.
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Zeeak4444 1 day ago#3
No one should be surprised this isn't a mental illness issue. 

The fact people suggested it in the first place was disrespectful even with the little facts we started with.
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Zeeak4444 posted...
No one should be surprised this isn't a mental illness issue. 

The fact people suggested it in the first place was disrespectful even with the little facts we started with.

So you think the guns made him do it? Or you believe that evil exists and he wasn't mentally ill, but pure evil? Or what?
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Godnorgosh 1 day ago#5
Pepys Monster posted...
Zeeak4444 posted...
No one should be surprised this isn't a mental illness issue. 

The fact people suggested it in the first place was disrespectful even with the little facts we started with.

So you think the guns made him do it? Or you believe that evil exists and he wasn't mentally ill, but pure evil? Or what?


He decided one day to shoot a bunch of people. Maybe he was a good person for the vast majority of his life, but for whatever reason he decided to do something bad, maybe even on a whim. Humans are complicated and difficult creatures.
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Zeeak4444 1 day ago#7
Godnorgosh posted...
@Pepys_Monster posted...
Zeeak4444 posted...
No one should be surprised this isn't a mental illness issue. 

The fact people suggested it in the first place was disrespectful even with the little facts we started with.

So you think the guns made him do it? Or you believe that evil exists and he wasn't mentally ill, but pure evil? Or what?


He decided one day to shoot a bunch of people. Maybe he was a good person for the vast majority of his life, but for whatever reason he decided to do something bad, maybe even on a whim. Humans are complicated and difficult creatures.


Yeah, wtf are you talking about Pepy...

Are you saying this is a mental health issue or?
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Darmik 1 day ago#8
ShotOJameson posted...
He was a patsy


If he was a patsy they would say he had a mental illness and would totally smear him.
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C_Pain 1 day ago#9
This is a question I often think about. Do all people who kill have brain issues or is there no difference and any person could do it? That latter option is scary to us!
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red_is_ash 1 day ago#10
I voted for yes, but I don't believe that this Vegas shooter was perfectly normal..his dad was a criminal himself and was on the FBI most wanted. Some genes had to have passed on.
ShotOJameson posted...
He was a patsy


Why would a government patsy not fit any checkmarks on a typical mass shooter profile?
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Capn Circus 18 hours ago#12
He obviously had something wrong with him. We know he once, a few years ago, spent an average of 14 hours a day playing video poker in a casino... 365 days a year. It's one thing to be a frequent gambler, it's another to have a clearly unhealthy obsession with something in the length and frequency that he played. He mostly played at night and slept during the day, which is inherently unhealthy for one's circadian rhythm. 

He didn't have many/any friends. All he had was a video poker machine in a dimly lit room, though I'm sure it was a nice room judging by the places he would play. He probably got tired of living. 

Many people do, and they only kill themselves. As to what made him want to kill and injure so many people is anyone's guess. But it's clear he had some issues. He wasn't a "normal" person.
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Zeeak4444 18 hours ago#13
Capn Circus posted...
He obviously had something wrong with him. We know he once, a few years ago, spent an average of 14 hours a day playing video poker in a casino... 365 days a year. It's one thing to be a frequent gambler, it's another to have a clearly unhealthy obsession with something in the length and frequency that he played.

He didn't have many/any friends. All he had was a video poker machine in a dark room. He probably got tired of living. 

Many people do, and they only kill themselves. As to what made him want to kill and injure so many people is anyone's guess. But it's clear he had some issues. He wasn't a "normal" person.


I take comfort in the fact that the only people stupid enough to believe you are other ignorant Trump supporters.
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Capn Circus 18 hours ago#14
Zeeak4444 posted...
Capn Circus posted...
He obviously had something wrong with him. We know he once, a few years ago, spent an average of 14 hours a day playing video poker in a casino... 365 days a year. It's one thing to be a frequent gambler, it's another to have a clearly unhealthy obsession with something in the length and frequency that he played.

He didn't have many/any friends. All he had was a video poker machine in a dark room. He probably got tired of living. 

Many people do, and they only kill themselves. As to what made him want to kill and injure so many people is anyone's guess. But it's clear he had some issues. He wasn't a "normal" person.


I take comfort in the fact that the only people stupid enough to believe you are other ignorant Trump supporters.


What part of my post is wrong, exactly? I'll gladly provide documentation for what I said.
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COVxy 17 hours ago#15
Yeah, uh, you wouldn't be able to diagnose most brain and psychological issues in a post mortem examination of brain tissue...
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Zeeak4444 17 hours ago#16
Capn Circus posted...
Zeeak4444 posted...
Capn Circus posted...
He obviously had something wrong with him. We know he once, a few years ago, spent an average of 14 hours a day playing video poker in a casino... 365 days a year. It's one thing to be a frequent gambler, it's another to have a clearly unhealthy obsession with something in the length and frequency that he played.

He didn't have many/any friends. All he had was a video poker machine in a dark room. He probably got tired of living.

Many people do, and they only kill themselves. As to what made him want to kill and injure so many people is anyone's guess. But it's clear he had some issues. He wasn't a "normal" person.


I take comfort in the fact that the only people stupid enough to believe you are other ignorant Trump supporters.


What part of my post is wrong, exactly? I'll gladly provide documentation for what I said.


Prove the bolded.

People need to stop talking about gambling habits when they don't know shit. I've seen so many "you can't make a living off of gambling" or "No one spends that much time".

Yes. They do. It's very normal. I had a diamond card at two casinos in SD and I've played high stakes in Vegas plenty of times.

Stop pretending like you know anything about casinos.
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An obsession or compulsion doesn't inherently make you a killer. I sincerely hope no one in this topic is trying to draw such a conclusion.
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Soviet_Poland 17 hours ago#18
COVxy posted...
Yeah, uh, you wouldn't be able to diagnose most brain and psychological issues in a post mortem examination of brain tissue...


This. The only thing that maybe could be related is a brain tumor causing a mass effect (i.e. pushing up against some structure in the brain involved in personality or impulse control), but it's still a hop, step, jump away from causally linking the event to said hypothetical tumor.

One wouldn't find any evidence of mental illness from an autopsy, and either way that tends to detract from the fact that "mental illness" is a really vague umbrella term that doesn't mean anything in these contexts anyway. The vast majority of "mental illness" does not cause violence and those with mental illness are far more likely to be victims of violence than the other way around. 

The only ones that might be associated with violence tend to have more of an impulse nature as well. Definitely not premeditating logistics. 

I see the appeal in reaching for explanations like this. "Ohh, troubled past. 'mental illness', yep that's why this happened. Matter settled." But the reality is much murkier and there won't ever be definitive answers for things like this.
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Zeeak4444 17 hours ago#19
Soviet_Poland posted...
COVxy posted...
Yeah, uh, you wouldn't be able to diagnose most brain and psychological issues in a post mortem examination of brain tissue...


This. The only thing that maybe could be related is a brain tumor causing a mass effect (i.e. pushing up against some structure in the brain involved in personality or impulse control), but it's still a hop, step, jump away from causally linking the event to said hypothetical tumor.

One wouldn't find any evidence of mental illness from an autopsy, and either way that tends to detract from the fact that "mental illness" is a really vague umbrella term that doesn't mean anything in these contexts anyway. The vast majority of "mental illness" does not cause violence and those with mental illness are far more likely to be victims of violence than the other way around. 

The only ones that might be associated with violence tend to have more of an impulse nature as well. Definitely not premeditating logistics. 

I see the appeal in reaching for explanations like this. "Ohh, troubled past. 'mental illness', yep that's why this happened. Matter settled." But the reality is much murkier and there won't ever be definitive answers for things like this.


Well said.
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Zeeak4444 17 hours ago#20
Zeeak4444 posted...
@Capn_Circus posted...
Zeeak4444 posted...
Capn Circus posted...
He obviously had something wrong with him. We know he once, a few years ago, spent an average of 14 hours a day playing video poker in a casino... 365 days a year. It's one thing to be a frequent gambler, it's another to have a clearly unhealthy obsession with something in the length and frequency that he played.

He didn't have many/any friends. All he had was a video poker machine in a dark room. He probably got tired of living.

Many people do, and they only kill themselves. As to what made him want to kill and injure so many people is anyone's guess. But it's clear he had some issues. He wasn't a "normal" person.


I take comfort in the fact that the only people stupid enough to believe you are other ignorant Trump supporters.


What part of my post is wrong, exactly? I'll gladly provide documentation for what I said.


Prove the bolded.

People need to stop talking about gambling habits when they don't know shit. I've seen so many "you can't make a living off of gambling" or "No one spends that much time".

Yes. They do. It's very normal. I had a diamond card at two casinos in SD and I've played high stakes in Vegas plenty of times.

Stop pretending like you know anything about casinos.


Where'd you go? You said you were gonna come back up the bolded for me? What happened?
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iPhone_7 17 hours ago#21
He secretly converted to sharia and joined isis.
Prestoff 17 hours ago#22
iPhone_7 posted...
He secretly converted to sharia and joined isis.


There are people on the Donald Trump subreddit that is trying to make this claim, to the surprise of no one.
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Capn Circus 17 hours ago#23
Zeeak4444 posted...
Capn Circus posted...
Zeeak4444 posted...
Capn Circus posted...
He obviously had something wrong with him. We know he once, a few years ago, spent an average of 14 hours a day playing video poker in a casino... 365 days a year. It's one thing to be a frequent gambler, it's another to have a clearly unhealthy obsession with something in the length and frequency that he played.

He didn't have many/any friends. All he had was a video poker machine in a dark room. He probably got tired of living.

Many people do, and they only kill themselves. As to what made him want to kill and injure so many people is anyone's guess. But it's clear he had some issues. He wasn't a "normal" person.


I take comfort in the fact that the only people stupid enough to believe you are other ignorant Trump supporters.


What part of my post is wrong, exactly? I'll gladly provide documentation for what I said.


Prove the bolded.

People need to stop talking about gambling habits when they don't know shit. I've seen so many "you can't make a living off of gambling" or "No one spends that much time".

Yes. They do. It's very normal. I had a diamond card at two casinos in SD and I've played high stakes in Vegas plenty of times.

Stop pretending like you know anything about casinos.


First, I do know about casinos and I'm frequent gambler myself. You're correct---gambling is perfectly normal and many people place high bets. You can also easily obtain a Diamond, Platinum, Owner's Club card, what have you--- by betting 1K/hand on blackjack for a few hours at a time here and there. It's not something that necessarily requires a **** load of hours, every day, every week, etc. So not sure what you're point is with that. Did you also gamble 14 hours a day for a year or something? 

What isn't normal, is for someone to essentially live in a casino for years and play a game 14 hours a day, every day. Having very little of anything else in their lives. This behavior goes far beyond "it's just an alternative way to make a living". That is not normal behavior. 

The reason he did this is because for him to potentially be profitable (shorter term), he had to hit that royal flush. At his pace and frequency of play, it would have statistically hit for him once per week. He was a slave to the royal flush. If you include his comped rooms, food, drinks, free play, etc. he very well could have profited over the years. But we was already wealthy to begin with. 

The length of time he played, the fact he was never a whale that could renegotiate rules of certain games, leads me to believe that he dumped a considerable amount of money and heavily relied on the Royal Flush to pull him out of the hole and possibly into a little bit of profit. I sincerely doubt he made millions playing. 

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Zeeak4444 16 hours ago#24
Yeah, player cards are directly related to hours on a table/machine. 

You don't know shit about casinos. Amount of bet has nothing to do with it. (At least in California and Nevada).
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Capn Circus 16 hours ago#25
Zeeak4444 posted...
Yeah, player cards are directly related to hours on a table/machine. 

You don't know shit about casinos. Amount of bet has nothing to do with it. (At least in California and Nevada).


What a short response to my answer. I think it's you who doesn't know what they're talking about. 

And yes, the chance of receiving a specific hand of cards go up with the amount of hands played. It's statistics. 

A royal flush will statistically come up every 40,000 hands played on video poker. The cards are generated by a RNG, the machine doesn't necessary have a set time when it will hit. It's the probability of an outcome and cards available to play and the pay tables set on the machine that tip the odds in favor of the casino. If you don't understand probability or statistics, you're likely a very poor gambler. 

And what do you mean amount of bet doesn't have anything to do with it? Getting a high valued card? Of course it does! Points often expire within a year, and points are based on length of play AND how much you are betting. 

If you bet $10,000 on one spin on the roulette wheel and leave the casino, you will not be awarded a high level card. If you bet $10,000 on each Roulette spin for 5 hours, you'll be rewarded heavily versus someone betting $15 dollars for each spin over 5 hours.
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Zeeak4444 16 hours ago#26
Capn_Circus posted...
Zeeak4444 posted...
Yeah, player cards are directly related to hours on a table/machine. 

You don't know shit about casinos. Amount of bet has nothing to do with it. (At least in California and Nevada).


What a short response to my answer. I think it's you who doesn't know what they're talking about. 

And yes, the chance of receiving a specific hand of cards go up with the amount of hands played. It's statistics. 

A royal flush will statistically come up every 40,000 hands played on video poker. The cards are generated by a RNG, the machine doesn't necessary have a set time when it will hit. It's the probability of an outcome and cards available to play and the pay tables set on the machine that tip the odds in favor of the casino. If you don't understand probability or statistics, you're likely a very poor gambler. 

And what do you mean amount of bet doesn't have anything to do with it? Getting a high valued card? Of course it does! Points often expire within a year, and points are based on length of play AND how much you are betting. 

If you bet $10,000 on one spin on the roulette wheel and leave the casino, you will not be awarded a high level card. If you bet $10,000 on each Roulette spin for 5 hours, you'll be rewarded heavily versus someone betting $15 dollars for each spin over 5 hours.


You don't seem to understand. Diamond cards only come from hours accrued not bets. I didn't need to respond to the rest because you're flat out wrong about how you get to the top level of a players card. You're whole argument is structured around not needing to spend time and the counter is that you don't get comps without putting in a shit ton of hours.

Stop talking out your ass about something you've demonstrated you have no knowledge about.

Edit: you're probably talking about freeplay points.
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Capn Circus 16 hours ago#27
Zeeak4444 posted...
Capn_Circus posted...
Zeeak4444 posted...
Yeah, player cards are directly related to hours on a table/machine. 

You don't know shit about casinos. Amount of bet has nothing to do with it. (At least in California and Nevada).


What a short response to my answer. I think it's you who doesn't know what they're talking about. 

And yes, the chance of receiving a specific hand of cards go up with the amount of hands played. It's statistics. 

A royal flush will statistically come up every 40,000 hands played on video poker. The cards are generated by a RNG, the machine doesn't necessary have a set time when it will hit. It's the probability of an outcome and cards available to play and the pay tables set on the machine that tip the odds in favor of the casino. If you don't understand probability or statistics, you're likely a very poor gambler. 

And what do you mean amount of bet doesn't have anything to do with it? Getting a high valued card? Of course it does! Points often expire within a year, and points are based on length of play AND how much you are betting. 

If you bet $10,000 on one spin on the roulette wheel and leave the casino, you will not be awarded a high level card. If you bet $10,000 on each Roulette spin for 5 hours, you'll be rewarded heavily versus someone betting $15 dollars for each spin over 5 hours.


You don't seem to understand. Diamond cards only come from hours accrued not bets. I didn't need to respond to the rest because you're flat out wrong about how you get to the top level of a players card. You're whole argument is structured around not needing to spend time and the counter is that you don't get comps without putting in a shit ton of hours.

Stop talking out your ass about something you've demonstrated you have no knowledge about.

Edit: you're probably talking about freeplay points.


Here we go, straight from the mouth of a major casino concept owner (of which you visit!) 

"We appreciate your interest in the Total Rewards Program! To earn Reward Credits, use your Total Rewards card for all your gaming at Total Rewards locations. You will earn 1 Reward Credit for each $5 you play on reel slot machines and $10 for video poker. Additionally, you may earn extra Reward Credits throughout the day based on the type of game you are playing, your average bet , and your length of play. Watch the reader on the machine to see your Reward Credits adding up.

For table play, be sure to hand your Total Rewards card to the dealer or pit supervisor as soon as you sit down to play and ask to be rated. Reward Credits are earned based on length of play, average bet and type of game." 


https://totalrewards.custhelp.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/10/~/total-rewards---how-do-i-earn-reward-credits%3F

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Capn Circus 15 hours ago#28
What happened @Zeeak4444? Did you get BTFO? I think so.
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Zeeak4444 15 hours ago#29
You should have tagged me.

Also you clearly missed my edit which was right on point.

You're talking about Play points... 

FFS you shouldn't have even bumped this.
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Capn Circus 15 hours ago#30
Zeeak4444 posted...
You should have tagged me.

Also you clearly missed my edit which was right on point.

You're talking about Play points... 

FFS you shouldn't have even bumped this.


No, I'm not. Rewards credits are directly responsible for gaining the next card tier. Do I need to look that up for you, too?
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lilJoe457 15 hours ago#31
How can his brain be normal if he 1. Shot himself in the head. 2. Was shot in the head. I mean they say he killed himself but others say he didn't. 

Honestly obviously the shooting happened but everything other than that seems very fishy. And I don't know why they'd be covering this up like crazy unless there was Islamic connection. Or if there was a bigger operation they uncovered and don't wanna bring it to light for security reasons. 

Either way the government has always been fucking terrible at official stories. Hence why conspiracies exist. Cough 9/11 cough JFK cough.
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Darmik 15 hours ago#32
lilJoe457 posted...
How can his brain be normal if he 1. Shot himself in the head. 2. Was shot in the head. I mean they say he killed himself but others say he didn't. 

Honestly obviously the shooting happened but everything other than that seems very fishy. And I don't know why they'd be covering this up like crazy unless there was Islamic connection. Or if there was a bigger operation they uncovered and don't wanna bring it to light for security reasons. 

Either way the government has always been fucking terrible at official stories. Hence why conspiracies exist. Cough 9/11 cough JFK cough.


lol. Maybe Bigfoot did it
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Zeeak4444 15 hours ago#33
@Capn_Circus posted...
Zeeak4444 posted...
You should have tagged me.

Also you clearly missed my edit which was right on point.

You're talking about Play points... 

FFS you shouldn't have even bumped this.


No, I'm not. Rewards credits are directly responsible for gaining the next card tier. Do I need to look that up for you, too?


"You can also earn Express Comps for table games play based on your average bet and time played at Beau Rivage, Gold Strike Tunica and MGM Grand Detroit".

So... that link showed us that. Does Mandalay Bay fall under that?

I don't play at Mandalay so I'll concede it's possible they run that system even though that website didn't show me anything except those three add on an average bet system. 

I know Luxor doesn't and neither does NYNY. Can you show me Mandalay Bay does though since you really wanna go for this?

That link did not confirm what you think it did unless Mandalay Bay suddenly became one of those three Casinos.

So wanna point it out for me like you said because I'm still not seeing it.

I'll thank you though because I might look into those places now.
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Capn Circus 15 hours ago#34
Zeeak4444 posted...
@Capn_Circus posted...
Zeeak4444 posted...
You should have tagged me.

Also you clearly missed my edit which was right on point.

You're talking about Play points... 

FFS you shouldn't have even bumped this.


No, I'm not. Rewards credits are directly responsible for gaining the next card tier. Do I need to look that up for you, too?


"You can also earn Express Comps for table games play based on your average bet and time played at Beau Rivage, Gold Strike Tunica and MGM Grand Detroit".

So... that link showed us that. Does Mandalay Bay fall under that?

I don't play at Mandalay so I'll concede it's possible they run that system even though that website didn't show me anything except those three add on an average bet system. 

I know Luxor doesn't and neither does NYNY. Can you show me Mandalay Bay does though since you really wanna go for this?

That link did not confirm what you think it did unless Mandalay Bay suddenly became one of those three Casinos.

So wanna point it out for me like you said because I'm still not seeing it.

I'll thank you though because I might look into those places now.


I'm not sure what link you're referring to. 

"For slot play in Las Vegas M life casinos, you receive ten (10) Tier Credits for every Base Point earned. When playing at Beau Rivage or Gold Strike Tunica, you receive two (2) Tier Credits for every Base Point earned. At MGM Grand Detroit, you receive one (1) Tier Credit for every Base Point earned. For table games, you'll earn Tier Credits based on length of play, average bet, and game type.

Qualify for the M life Rewards tiers by increasing your Tier Credits with play at slots and/or table games as well as spend on lodging, dining, and entertainment. New M life Rewards members qualify for the benefits of the Sapphire tier. Earn Pearl at 25,000 Tier Credits, Gold at 75,000 Tier Credits and Platinum at 200,000 Tier Credits. NOIR is by invitation only."

https://www.mgmresorts.com/en/faq.html

It's not hard to figure out the higher one's bet, the more tier credits they earn, and the quicker they obtain the next tier card. 

You mentioned having a Diamond card, meaning you play at Caesars Entertainment properties. To which, we've already determined is based also on average bet. 

M Life, which is MGM (also owns Mandalay Bay) is also based on average bet (and of course time played) 

Don't act like an expert next time. 

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Ammonitida 15 hours ago#35
COVxy posted...
Yeah, uh, you wouldn't be able to diagnose most brain and psychological issues in a post mortem examination of brain tissue...
Zeeak4444 14 hours ago#36
@Capn_Circus posted...
Zeeak4444 posted...
@Capn_Circus posted...
Zeeak4444 posted...
You should have tagged me.

Also you clearly missed my edit which was right on point.

You're talking about Play points... 

FFS you shouldn't have even bumped this.


No, I'm not. Rewards credits are directly responsible for gaining the next card tier. Do I need to look that up for you, too?


"You can also earn Express Comps for table games play based on your average bet and time played at Beau Rivage, Gold Strike Tunica and MGM Grand Detroit".

So... that link showed us that. Does Mandalay Bay fall under that?

I don't play at Mandalay so I'll concede it's possible they run that system even though that website didn't show me anything except those three add on an average bet system. 

I know Luxor doesn't and neither does NYNY. Can you show me Mandalay Bay does though since you really wanna go for this?

That link did not confirm what you think it did unless Mandalay Bay suddenly became one of those three Casinos.

So wanna point it out for me like you said because I'm still not seeing it.

I'll thank you though because I might look into those places now.


I'm not sure what link you're referring to. 

"For slot play in Las Vegas M life casinos, you receive ten (10) Tier Credits for every Base Point earned. When playing at Beau Rivage or Gold Strike Tunica, you receive two (2) Tier Credits for every Base Point earned. At MGM Grand Detroit, you receive one (1) Tier Credit for every Base Point earned. For table games, you'll earn Tier Credits based on length of play, average bet, and game type.

Qualify for the M life Rewards tiers by increasing your Tier Credits with play at slots and/or table games as well as spend on lodging, dining, and entertainment. New M life Rewards members qualify for the benefits of the Sapphire tier. Earn Pearl at 25,000 Tier Credits, Gold at 75,000 Tier Credits and Platinum at 200,000 Tier Credits. NOIR is by invitation only."

https://www.mgmresorts.com/en/faq.html

It's not hard to figure out the higher one's bet, the more tier credits they earn, and the quicker they obtain the next tier card. 

You mentioned having a Diamond card, meaning you play at Caesars Entertainment properties. To which, we've already determined is based also on average bet. 

M Life, which is MGM (also owns Mandalay Bay) is also based on average bet (and of course time played) 

Don't act like an expert next time. 

@Zeeak4444


My apologies, I guess. I thought we were talking about slots, the things Paddock spent all his time on.

I would have said yes right away if I knew you were talking exclusively about table games. Something irrelevant to your point about him spending so much time at slots when he didn't need to.

Also I never claimed to have a diamond card at Vegas I said I have two in San Diego. No way in hell im spending that much time in Vegas myself unless I move there some day.

So what's you're point now that we've settled this. None of this proved anything about Paddocks habits.

Edit: https://totalrewards.custhelp.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/10/~/total-rewards---how-do-i-earn-reward-credits%3F

And this is the link I pulled the info from since that's the first one you posted back on page #1 to prove your "point".
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Capn Circus 14 hours ago#37
Zeeak4444 posted...
My apologies, I guess. I thought we were talking about slots, the things Paddock spent all his time on.

I would have said yes right away if I knew you were talking exclusively about table games. Something irrelevant to your point about him spending so much time at slots when he didn't need to.

Also I never claimed to have a diamond card at Vegas I said I have two in San Diego. No way in hell im spending that much time in Vegas myself unless I move there some day.

So what's you're point now that we've settled this. None of this proved anything about Paddocks habits.

Edit: https://totalrewards.custhelp.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/10/~/total-rewards---how-do-i-earn-reward-credits%3F

And this is the link I pulled the info from since that's the first one you posted back on page #1 to prove your "point".


I don't see anything on that site (total rewards) regarding the casinos/locations you've mentioned. So I'm lost a bit, there. 

It's not just table games, "You earn Tier Credits for virtually every dollar you spend - including gaming - across all our M life Rewards Destinations For every dollar you spend on your hotel stay, dining, entertainment, or spa you earn Tier Credits - in Las Vegas you earn 25 Tier Credits per dollar spent ."
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Zeeak4444 14 hours ago#38
@Capn_Circus posted...
Zeeak4444 posted...
My apologies, I guess. I thought we were talking about slots, the things Paddock spent all his time on.

I would have said yes right away if I knew you were talking exclusively about table games. Something irrelevant to your point about him spending so much time at slots when he didn't need to.

Also I never claimed to have a diamond card at Vegas I said I have two in San Diego. No way in hell im spending that much time in Vegas myself unless I move there some day.

So what's you're point now that we've settled this. None of this proved anything about Paddocks habits.

Edit: https://totalrewards.custhelp.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/10/~/total-rewards---how-do-i-earn-reward-credits%3F

And this is the link I pulled the info from since that's the first one you posted back on page #1 to prove your "point".


I don't see anything on that site (total rewards) regarding the casinos/locations you've mentioned. So I'm lost a bit, there. 

It's not just table games, "You earn Tier Credits for virtually every dollar you spend - including gaming - across all our M life Rewards Destinations For every dollar you spend on your hotel stay, dining, entertainment, or spa you earn Tier Credits - in Las Vegas you earn 25 Tier Credits per dollar spent ."


This was a poor choice. 

First off, that's a cop out. Yes he earned points for spending money but him spending more money on spa and entertainment isn't the same as saying he had no reason to play slots.

From your previous post:
For slot play in Las Vegas M life casinos, you receive ten (10) Tier Credits for every Base Point earned. When playing at Beau Rivage or Gold Strike Tunica, you receive two (2) Tier Credits for every Base Point earned. At MGM Grand Detroit, you receive one (1) Tier Credit for every Base Point earned. For table games, you'll earn Tier Credits based on length of play, average bet, and game type.

Showing his slot play, the whole topic of discussion, did not give him more points if he just dropped 2 grand down in 30 minutes and walked away instead of playing 2 grand over 6 hours (he played wayyyyyy more than that too).

He obviously gained it faster than the average person that went to play but he didn't earn it faster than other vip members and he couldn't have just sped it up like you claimed.

So now the important point how does this prove he had mental illness. That's your claim. None of this backed up your claim..

So how is he different than any other professional gambler out there? What's this secret technique to be a pro gambler only spending a few hours a day? I'd love to go pass the tips onto all the professional poker, blackjack, slot, and roulette players who spend more time gambling than most people work in a week. Enlighten me.
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Capn Circus 13 hours ago#39
Zeeak4444 posted...
This was a poor choice. 

First off, that's a cop out. Yes he earned points for spending money but him spending more money on spa and entertainment isn't the same as saying he had no reason to play slots.

From your previous post:
For slot play in Las Vegas M life casinos, you receive ten (10) Tier Credits for every Base Point earned. When playing at Beau Rivage or Gold Strike Tunica, you receive two (2) Tier Credits for every Base Point earned. At MGM Grand Detroit, you receive one (1) Tier Credit for every Base Point earned. For table games, you'll earn Tier Credits based on length of play, average bet, and game type.

Showing his slot play, the whole topic of discussion, did not give him more points if he just dropped 2 grand down in 30 minutes and walked away instead of playing 2 grand over 6 hours (he played wayyyyyy more than that too).

He obviously gained it faster than the average person that went to play but he didn't earn it faster than other vip members and he couldn't have just sped it up like you claimed.

So now the important point how does this prove he had mental illness. That's your claim. None of this backed up your claim..

So how is he different than any other professional gambler out there? What's this secret technique to be a pro gambler only spending a few hours a day? I'd love to go pass the tips onto all the professional poker, blackjack, slot, and roulette players who spend more time gambling than most people work in a week. Enlighten me.


We've spent most of this argument disproving you wrong about how tier reward programs work because you refused to admit your ignorance up until statements from casino websites were posted. You originally said it has nothing to do with bet amount. You've clearly been proven wrong. And I've also addressed that time played is a big consideration as well, when I originally gave my Roulette example. 

By and large, there are no professional gamblers who specifically make a living off the casinos as their only income. You have some skilled poker players playing against others in tournaments who can absolutely make money and you can have some people who count cards in blackjack, running the risk of being exposed and ousted.

The machine he played was likely a good one, returning near 100% given the amount of time he played. But without the comps he would have been a net loser. He was playing a machine with a set pay table that had house advantage. 

Theoretically, if he played for a million years 24/7, he would have lost 3 cents for the $1 he put in. It's a machine with a set pay table based off of an RNG. 

I never claimed he had a mental illness. I claimed it wasn't normal for someone to play video poker 14 hours a day, 365 days per year. The highest of high rollers do not play in a casino every day, for 14 hours and 365 days per year. Anything done to that excess is unhealthy. Literally 14 hours a day, 7 days a week, 365 days per year and you tell me that's normal behavior? lol...

If you're having trouble understanding that specific behavior isn't normal, I don't know what to tell ya.

@Zeeak4444
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Capn Circus 13 hours ago#40
Some of these people wear diapers because they don't want to get up from their machine. Is that normal, too? Is it part of being a successful winner with healthy mental clarity? @Zeeak4444
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Zeeak4444 12 hours ago#41
I'm still waiting for you to make a point.

He's obviously not normal compared to the average citizen but the average citizen doesn't have enough money to do whatever they want whenever they want.

Tons of people gamble daily or most days of the week. Ask anyone who works in a casino. it's obviously not healthy but what does that have to do with him?

If you're trying to elude to a motive just state it already so we can discuss it.
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Pancake 12 hours ago#42
Capn Circus 12 hours ago#43
Zeeak4444 posted...
I'm still waiting for you to make a point.

He's obviously not normal compared to the average citizen but the average citizen doesn't have enough money to do whatever they want whenever they want.

Tons of people gamble daily or most days of the week. Ask anyone who works in a casino. it's obviously not healthy but what does that have to do with him?

If you're trying to elude to a motive just state it already so we can discuss it.


@Zeeak4444

If you go back to my original post, it's evident that his behavior was a potential red flag of abnormality. Most people who are miserable with their lives and/or have failing health just off themselves and don't bring anyone else down with them. Clearly that wasn't the case here. Why? I don't know. But I highly doubt he was a happy person. 

I wasn't saying his specific behavior was a cause, but it's pretty obvious to most who are thinking critically that a guy with no friends, little social interaction, nocturnal, and spending his days looking at a video poker machine for hours and days on end, rarely leaving the casino, with no known other hobbies, is a potentially problematic circumstance for someone who is tired of their routine. 

That's all I was saying. His specific behavior, even including avid gamblers, was extremely excessive. Extremely.

There could be potentially other motives or details, and potentially other involvements due to the police and casino having a hard time giving basic answers such as when he checked in or when were the police first called and by who, but that's a whole different road to go down.
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kkTheKiller42 12 hours ago#44
Pancake 12 hours ago#45
can people just be evil and have no mental illness?

i feel like there's an upper limit for this. you can be sorta evil and not be nutso.
kkTheKiller42 12 hours ago#46
Darmik 12 hours ago#47
Pancake posted...
can people just be evil and have no mental illness?

i feel like there's an upper limit for this. you can be sorta evil and not be nutso.


Do dictators have mental illnesses? It's an interesting thing to think about.
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Darmik
Pancake 12 hours ago#48
what do you feel is the upper limit?

invading people in the souls series, probably. sometimes i feel really bad afterward.

Do dictators have mental illnesses? It's an interesting thing to think about.

it's probably more a thing where 'dictator' is just a position that calls for a sociopath. some are probably cool dudes.
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Darmik 12 hours ago#49
I think it's easy to think that evil stems from mental illness. But I don't think that's often the case. People can justify some sick shit in their head if they have to.

Look at how black people were treated in the US 100 years ago. A whole bunch of black people hunted down, tortured, hung etc. by entire communities of people. They can't all have mental illnesses. They were brought up with the mindset that minorities were sub-human.
Kind Regards,
Darmik
Pancake 12 hours ago#50
I think it's easy to think that evil stems from mental illness.

i'd like to call it: morally challenged.

it makes me wonder if it's something they'd ever classify as a sense, if they're claiming more.
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