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July 31, 2017

Feminist writer for WaPo calls her sons prospective rapists

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McDonaldTrumpX 3 hours ago#1
Feminist writer Jody Allard has a habit of shaming her two sons, one of whom she says is suicidal, for simply disagreeing with her, or worse, for simply being male. Last week, writing in Role Reboot, the mother of two yet again relentlessly shamed her sons for their biology, and then topped herself by explaining that they are, like every other man, “not safe.“ 

Allard first asserts that while her sons are “good boys,“ they aren't “safe boys,“ before bragging about a “semi-viral“ essay she wrote for The Washington Post in which she shames her sons for their role in feminist-constructed “rape culture“ for merely having penises. 
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/parenting/wp/2016/09/14/its-not-enough-to-teach-our-teen-sons-about-consent/

“My essay went semi-viral, and for the first time my sons encountered my words about them on their friends’ phones, their teachers’ computers, and even overheard them discussed by strangers on a crowded metro bus. It was one thing to agree to be written about in relative obscurity, and quite another thing to have my words intrude on their daily lives,“ she explains. 

Unsurprisingly, her teenage boys, whom she's publicly shamed for no other reason than their anatomy, now resent her. One of her sons is even turning to — gasp — conservatism:

One of my sons was hurt by my words, although he’s never told me so. He doesn’t understand why I lumped him and his brother together in my essay. He sees himself as the “good” one, the one who is sensitive and thoughtful, and who listens instead of reacts. He doesn’t understand that even quiet misogyny is misogyny, and that not all sexists sound like Twitter trolls. He is angry at me now, although he won’t admit that either, and his anger led him to conservative websites and YouTube channels; places where he can surround himself with righteous indignation against feminists, and tell himself it’s ungrateful women like me who are the problem.

“Is it my job as his mother to ensure he feels safe emotionally, no matter what violence he spews? Is it my job as his mother to steer and educate, no matter how much that education challenges his view of himself?“
“When I hear his voice become defensive, I back off but question whether I’m doing him any favors by allowing his perception of himself to go unchallenged. When I confront him with his own sexism, I question whether I’m pushing too hard and leaving him without an emotional safe space in his home,“ Allard explains. 

The essayist then has a momentary epiphany, right before her own bigotry concerning men gets the best of her. 
“As a single mother, I sometimes wonder whether the real problem is that my sons have no role models for the type of men I hope they become,“

YES! These boys need male role models in their lives, hopefully males who will also shield them from your incessant shaming for their immutable qualities. 

But Allard quickly kills the idea due to her belief that all men are evil — you know, that thing we're told feminists never believe.

“But when I look around at the men I know, I’m not sure a male partner would fill that hole. Where are these men who are enlightened but not arrogant? Who are feminists without self-congratulation? If my sons need role models, they may have to become their own. ... If the feminist men — the men who proudly declare their progressive politics and their fight for quality — aren’t safe, then what man is? No man, I fear,“ she asserts.
McDonaldTrumpX 3 hours ago#2
Her reasoning is even more bigoted, believe it or not: Basically, since all white people are born with the inherent sin of being white and are thusly racist beyond their control, even if subliminally, then why can't all men by inherently misogynistic, too?

But if it’s impossible for a white person to grow up without adopting racist ideas, simply because of the environment in which they live, how can I expect men not to subconsciously absorb at least some degree of sexism? White people aren’t safe, and men aren’t safe, no matter how much I’d like to assure myself that these things aren’t true.

And therein lies the evil of collectivism rooted in virtuous victimhood. 
Allard emphasizes that her sons' inherent sinfulness, along with the rest of the male population's, is not her fault, it's society's:

It pains me to say that I don’t feel emotionally safe with [men], and perhaps never have with a man, but it needs to be said because far too often we are afraid to say it. This is not a reflection of something broken or damaged in me; it is a reflection of the systems we build and our boys absorb. Those little boys grow into men who know the value of women, the value that’s been ascribed to us by a broken system, and it seeps out from them in a million tiny, toxic ways.

More disturbingly, Allard has previously spoken about one of her sons being suicidal. In a post as recent as May, the feminist wrote in Role Reboot about her and her suicidal son watching 13 Reasons Why, a show that has been argued to glorify suicide.

Someone get this woman a Mother of the Year award. Somebody call Child Protective Services, for the love of God.

http://www.rolereboot.org/culture-and-politics/details/2017-07-im-done-pretending-men-safe-even-sons/
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VeiledGenesis 3 hours ago#3
So she's a b****. Yeah, I'd hate her too if I were her son.
Gather all the young ones and listen as we tell of the days of old, when the earth was whole, before the hammer fell. - "Hammer of Heaven", The Sword
Dwavenhobble 3 hours ago#4
Just throwing this out there but hasn't this nut been doing this schtick for years or am I thinking of someone else?
I'm on youtube just like everyone else but still
https://www.youtube.com/user/Dwavenhobble
feudel 3 hours ago#5
TC combs the internet to find articles that rustle his jimmies
????????
Nitro378 3 hours ago#6
VeiledGenesis posted...
I'd hate her too if I were her son.
Why is it only called class war when we fight back? https://youtu.be/fUuK6JtP7xA
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Nerevar 3 hours ago#7
feudel posted...
This goes against the narrative I like believing so I'm going to lash out at the OP for daring to post about this.
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dj4242 3 hours ago#8
what a terrible mom
#MAGA
Got a Chris Paul mindstate, I'm never out of bounds
Ultimaspirit 3 hours ago#9
She makes me want to bring back burning at the stake
kiwimyweewee 3 hours ago#10
On the bright side she had boys instead of creating more copies of herself.
We use our intelligence to support our delusions to escape reality.
Yeah, his mother is a nut job. There's being an actual feminist, and there's being a true man hater. She hates men.
MAGA.
G_I_B_B_O_N 3 hours ago#12
needs a pimp smack to set her straight.
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epik_fail1 3 hours ago#13
I would hate if my mom was like that. it would be like be a female and having a Trump supporter as a dad.
Losing an argument? Ends it with but...but...Hillary and her emails!
TheHonorableOne posted...
Yeah, his mother is a nut job. There's being an actual feminist, and there's being a true man hater. She hates men.

That's an awfully blurry line. It's more fair to say most feminists don't hate men quite as much as this loon does. All feminists hate men to some degree, else they wouldn't be feminists.
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ronjamin1022 3 hours ago#15
kiwimyweewee posted...
On the bright side she had boys instead of creating more copies of herself.

Best part is they're turning against her and toward sanity.
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Dwavenhobble 3 hours ago#17
Nerevar posted...
feudel posted...
This goes against the narrative I like believing so I'm going to lash out at the OP for daring to post about this.
I'm on youtube just like everyone else but still
https://www.youtube.com/user/Dwavenhobble
kiwimyweewee 3 hours ago#18
ronjamin1022 posted...
kiwimyweewee posted...
On the bright side she had boys instead of creating more copies of herself.

Best part is they're turning against her and toward sanity.


If she had girls they might have too, just to be fair here.
We use our intelligence to support our delusions to escape reality.
Dwavenhobble 3 hours ago#19
willythemailboy posted...
TheHonorableOne posted...
Yeah, his mother is a nut job. There's being an actual feminist, and there's being a true man hater. She hates men.

That's an awfully blurry line. It's more fair to say most feminists don't hate men quite as much as this loon does. All feminists hate men to some degree, else they wouldn't be feminists.

That's 4th wave.

5th wave are far more pro men. Hell 5th wave have shown willingness to listen and work with Mens Rights groups and I mean actually work with not turn up and shout about how the MRA groups should have asked the 4th wavers permission to have the even and had them tell them how to organise it etc etc.
I'm on youtube just like everyone else but still
https://www.youtube.com/user/Dwavenhobble
VeiledGenesis 3 hours ago#20
willythemailboy posted...
TheHonorableOne posted...
Yeah, his mother is a nut job. There's being an actual feminist, and there's being a true man hater. She hates men.

That's an awfully blurry line. It's more fair to say most feminists don't hate men quite as much as this loon does. All feminists hate men to some degree, else they wouldn't be feminists.

That's not true at all. This is new wave s***, which has nothing to do with what feminism actually stands for. It's just unfortunate that true feminism has fallen by the wayside in the modern era in favor of this feminazi bulls***.
Gather all the young ones and listen as we tell of the days of old, when the earth was whole, before the hammer fell. - "Hammer of Heaven", The Sword
Nitro378 3 hours ago#21
Wtf is 5th wave? Is that just right wing 'feminists'?
Why is it only called class war when we fight back? https://youtu.be/fUuK6JtP7xA
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willythemailboy posted...
That's an awfully blurry line


Well, I think of women in Saudi Arabia, Iran, Pakistan, India, etc. who want the right to choose their own husbands, not get convicted of adultery for being raped, be able to drive, etc. Those women are true feminists. 

HuffPo writers are not feminists.
MAGA.
Nitro378 posted...
Is that just right wing 'feminists'?


Dana Loesch is so hot.
MAGA.
SamCarlson 2 hours ago#24
do her sons post on gamefaqs? that might explain it.
Force feeding people the truth.
SMEDIA 2 hours ago#25
In my opinion, feminists would benefit from the phrase "you can't have your cake and eat it too"
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Dwavenhobble 2 hours ago#26
Nitro378 posted...
Wtf is 5th wave? Is that just right wing 'feminists'?

4th wave = 2nd wave ideas being parroted again by people like Anita Sarkeesian but pulling in more of the intersectionality of 3rd wave and working round the idea that gender is a social construct and the only reason society isn't more equal with women in STEM etc is social conditioning to keep women down (AKA the patriarchy)

5th wave = 3rd wave ideas being brought back up to once again debunk the 2nd wave ideas that have been debunked by keep being parroted by 4th wave and more importantly looking at both genders and the inequalities present for each along with looking to determine what is societal and what is actually natural and part of biology and how best to address said biological differences without pretending they don't exist.


Or in more simple terms

4th wave = All toys should be non gendered and never target either gender with gender tropes at all and all the worlds problems are caused by the Cis-White hetero normative capitalist patriarchy.

5th wave = we should encourage people to associate with toys for their gender but not exclude them from being able to play with toys traditionally for other genders. The world has problems but there are problems for everyone and maybe rather than trying to smash some imagine matrix like oppression system we actually fix the problems not claim the problems will magically be fixed by forcing some radical social paradigm shift.
I'm on youtube just like everyone else but still
https://www.youtube.com/user/Dwavenhobble
untrustful 2 hours ago#27
"The Third Way has corrupted feminism from the inside out. Now you're seeing mothers feminize their sons. This feminization of young men is already negatively impacting men. A recent survey discovered that men have significantly less sperm and testosterone than ever before. If this trend continues, America's reproductive capacity will end by 2060. We must put a stop to this nonsense before it's too late."
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VeiledGenesis posted...
willythemailboy posted...
TheHonorableOne posted...
Yeah, his mother is a nut job. There's being an actual feminist, and there's being a true man hater. She hates men.

That's an awfully blurry line. It's more fair to say most feminists don't hate men quite as much as this loon does. All feminists hate men to some degree, else they wouldn't be feminists.

That's not true at all. This is new wave s***, which has nothing to do with what feminism actually stands for. It's just unfortunate that true feminism has fallen by the wayside in the modern era in favor of this feminazi bulls***.

Even going back all the way to first wave there's plenty of man hate going on. It has gotten more blatant over the years, though.

An example of the man hate in second wave would be how they treated Erin Pizzey for suggesting male domestic violence shelters (after she created the first female one).
He who laughs last, thinks fastest.
pfalcon 2 hours ago#29
I'd take a strong patriarchy over nonsense like this any day of the week.
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Dwavenhobble posted...
willythemailboy posted...
TheHonorableOne posted...
Yeah, his mother is a nut job. There's being an actual feminist, and there's being a true man hater. She hates men.

That's an awfully blurry line. It's more fair to say most feminists don't hate men quite as much as this loon does. All feminists hate men to some degree, else they wouldn't be feminists.

That's 4th wave.

5th wave are far more pro men. Hell 5th wave have shown willingness to listen and work with Mens Rights groups and I mean actually work with not turn up and shout about how the MRA groups should have asked the 4th wavers permission to have the even and had them tell them how to organise it etc etc.

There is no "fifth wave", there's just a relative handful of "feminists-in-name-only" that have figured out it's career suicide to renounce the label.
He who laughs last, thinks fastest.
Dwavenhobble 2 hours ago#31
willythemailboy posted...

Even going back all the way to first wave there's plenty of man hate going on. It has gotten more blatant over the years, though.

An example of the man hate in second wave would be how they treated Erin Pizzey for suggesting male domestic violence shelters (after she created the first female one).



I dunno first wave extremists smashing up an art gallery and damaging expensive artwork because "Men could look at it and find the women in the pictures attractive" kind of is hard to top. Well that and the setting fire to rich men's homes that went on.
I'm on youtube just like everyone else but still
https://www.youtube.com/user/Dwavenhobble
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Dwavenhobble 2 hours ago#32
willythemailboy posted...

There is no "fifth wave", there's just a relative handful of "feminists-in-name-only" that have figured out it's career suicide to renounce the label.



Are you saying they're No true feminist then?

Because I thought the only requirement to be called a feminist was to believe in the idea of gender equality.
I'm on youtube just like everyone else but still
https://www.youtube.com/user/Dwavenhobble
GeneralFrings 2 hours ago#33
Fair, she is also a prospective rapist
How deep is too deep?
Nitro378 2 hours ago#34
GeneralFrings posted...
Fair, she is also a prospective rapist

That's all? She's a potential genocidal murderer! She potentially murdered more people than the Zodiac Killer!
Why is it only called class war when we fight back? https://youtu.be/fUuK6JtP7xA
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Dwavenhobble posted...
willythemailboy posted...

There is no "fifth wave", there's just a relative handful of "feminists-in-name-only" that have figured out it's career suicide to renounce the label.

Are you saying they're No true feminist then?

Because I thought the only requirement to be called a feminist was to believe in the idea of gender equality.

The dictionary definition is dead on arrival.

Try going to a feminist group and initiating a conversation with "I'm a feminist because I believe in gender equality, but I think women have way more privileges in today's society than men and the patriarchy is a cruel joke used to perpetuate those privileges." You'll be lucky not to get lynched, and for certain no one else in that conversation will agree that the label "feminist" is appropriately applied to you.
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fftstudent 2 hours ago#36
Dwavenhobble posted...
Nerevar posted...
feudel posted...
This goes against the narrative I like believing so I'm going to lash out at the OP for daring to post about this.
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Dwavenhobble 2 hours ago#37
willythemailboy posted...

The dictionary definition is dead on arrival.

Try going to a feminist group and initiating a conversation with "I'm a feminist because I believe in gender equality, but I think women have way more privileges in today's society than men and the patriarchy is a cruel joke used to perpetuate those privileges." You'll be lucky not to get lynched, and for certain no one else in that conversation will agree that the label "feminist" is appropriately applied to you.



And yet in it's inception part of 3rd wave did very much consider the idea of patriarchy to be a cruel joke / an outdated stupid idea,
I'm on youtube just like everyone else but still
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Dwavenhobble posted...
willythemailboy posted...

Even going back all the way to first wave there's plenty of man hate going on. It has gotten more blatant over the years, though.

An example of the man hate in second wave would be how they treated Erin Pizzey for suggesting male domestic violence shelters (after she created the first female one).



I dunno first wave extremists smashing up an art gallery and damaging expensive artwork because "Men could look at it and find the women in the pictures attractive" kind of is hard to top. Well that and the setting fire to rich men's homes that went on.

Don't forget the various bombs. They did like exploding things.
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SamCarlson 2 hours ago#39
Dwavenhobble posted...
willythemailboy posted...

There is no "fifth wave", there's just a relative handful of "feminists-in-name-only" that have figured out it's career suicide to renounce the label.



Are you saying they're No true feminist then?

Because I thought the only requirement to be called a feminist was to believe in the idea of gender equality.

right, so if you actively promote against that idea, you're not a feminist.
Force feeding people the truth.
smithkakarot 2 hours ago#40
VeiledGenesis posted...
willythemailboy posted...
TheHonorableOne posted...
Yeah, his mother is a nut job. There's being an actual feminist, and there's being a true man hater. She hates men.

That's an awfully blurry line. It's more fair to say most feminists don't hate men quite as much as this loon does. All feminists hate men to some degree, else they wouldn't be feminists.

That's not true at all. This is new wave s***, which has nothing to do with what feminism actually stands for. It's just unfortunate that true feminism has fallen by the wayside in the modern era in favor of this feminazi bulls***.

I would recommend looking up World War I's "White Feather Campaign" in England.
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VeiledGenesis 2 hours ago#41
willythemailboy posted...
VeiledGenesis posted...
willythemailboy posted...
TheHonorableOne posted...
Yeah, his mother is a nut job. There's being an actual feminist, and there's being a true man hater. She hates men.

That's an awfully blurry line. It's more fair to say most feminists don't hate men quite as much as this loon does. All feminists hate men to some degree, else they wouldn't be feminists.

That's not true at all. This is new wave s***, which has nothing to do with what feminism actually stands for. It's just unfortunate that true feminism has fallen by the wayside in the modern era in favor of this feminazi bulls***.

Even going back all the way to first wave there's plenty of man hate going on. It has gotten more blatant over the years, though.

An example of the man hate in second wave would be how they treated Erin Pizzey for suggesting male domestic violence shelters (after she created the first female one).

So because some feminists display hatred towards mean means they're all man-haters? Yeah, sure.
Gather all the young ones and listen as we tell of the days of old, when the earth was whole, before the hammer fell. - "Hammer of Heaven", The Sword
TrampsLikeUs 2 hours ago#42
Gamefaqs: People who hate women debating what "real" feminism is.
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VeiledGenesis 2 hours ago#43
smithkakarot posted...
VeiledGenesis posted...
willythemailboy posted...
TheHonorableOne posted...
Yeah, his mother is a nut job. There's being an actual feminist, and there's being a true man hater. She hates men.

That's an awfully blurry line. It's more fair to say most feminists don't hate men quite as much as this loon does. All feminists hate men to some degree, else they wouldn't be feminists.

That's not true at all. This is new wave s***, which has nothing to do with what feminism actually stands for. It's just unfortunate that true feminism has fallen by the wayside in the modern era in favor of this feminazi bulls***.

I would recommend looking up World War I's "White Feather Campaign" in England.

I skimmed over a couple pages of it. It was a way to shame men into joining the military. Not sure what that had to do with this.
Gather all the young ones and listen as we tell of the days of old, when the earth was whole, before the hammer fell. - "Hammer of Heaven", The Sword
young_flip 2 hours ago#44
Has this woman gotten any blowback for such an obviously malformed stance?
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smithkakarot 2 hours ago#45
VeiledGenesis posted...
smithkakarot posted...
VeiledGenesis posted...
willythemailboy posted...
TheHonorableOne posted...
Yeah, his mother is a nut job. There's being an actual feminist, and there's being a true man hater. She hates men.

That's an awfully blurry line. It's more fair to say most feminists don't hate men quite as much as this loon does. All feminists hate men to some degree, else they wouldn't be feminists.

That's not true at all. This is new wave s***, which has nothing to do with what feminism actually stands for. It's just unfortunate that true feminism has fallen by the wayside in the modern era in favor of this feminazi bulls***.

I would recommend looking up World War I's "White Feather Campaign" in England.

I skimmed over a couple pages of it. It was a way to shame men into joining the military. Not sure what that had to do with this.

Because it was mostly suffragettes (first wave feminists) handing out those feathers.
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TrampsLikeUs 2 hours ago#46
In August 1914, at the start of the First World War, Admiral Charles Fitzgerald founded the Order of the White Feather with support from the prominent author Mrs Humphrey Ward. The organization aimed to shame men into enlisting in the British army by persuading women to present them with a white feather if they were not wearing a uniform.[2][3]

This was joined by some prominent feminists and suffragettes of the time


Ooh yes, the dreaded "some feminists".
VeiledGenesis 2 hours ago#47
That doesn't mean that the very principle of the movement was to "hate men". The very idea of true feminism is equality between the two sexes. Although I think egalitarianism is the way to go, personally.
Gather all the young ones and listen as we tell of the days of old, when the earth was whole, before the hammer fell. - "Hammer of Heaven", The Sword
mad_hax_man 1 hour ago#48
VeiledGenesis posted...
That doesn't mean that the very principle of the movement was to "hate men". The very idea of true feminism is equality between the two sexes. Although I think egalitarianism is the way to go, personally.


Lol. That ever promenant "egalitarianism" term. 

It couldn't be a "feminism has lost its way cause of tumbler feminist" circle jerk without that term coming up
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mad_hax_man posted...
It couldn't be a "feminism has lost its way cause of tumbler feminist" circle jerk without that term coming up

Usually it means "we make fun of women who write 'womyn' because it has the word 'men" in it but it hurts our masculinity to be part of a movement that has "fem" prefixed to it".
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carljenk 1 hour ago#50
Wow vile alt lefty.
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    TrampsLikeUs posted...
    Gamefaqs: People who hate women debating what "real" feminism is.
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    How is this woman not a college professor? It's rare to see this level of feminist stupidity outside of that profession.
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    PraetorXyn 1 hour ago#53
    VeiledGenesis posted...
    willythemailboy posted...
    TheHonorableOne posted...
    Yeah, his mother is a nut job. There's being an actual feminist, and there's being a true man hater. She hates men.

    That's an awfully blurry line. It's more fair to say most feminists don't hate men quite as much as this loon does. All feminists hate men to some degree, else they wouldn't be feminists.

    That's not true at all. This is new wave s***, which has nothing to do with what feminism actually stands for. It's just unfortunate that true feminism has fallen by the wayside in the modern era in favor of this feminazi bulls***.

    True feminism, which is supposedly egalitarianism but the fact that they invented a new word for something that already existed shows its not truly the same, but I digress. Anyway, true feminism has basically accomplished everything that needed addressing to the point that anything left (trafficking for instance) falls under human rights.

    People who hate their lives and need something to scapegoat for it often become feminists, but since the real problems (women being able to vote, work, etc and receiving equal treatment when you take into account occupation, seniority, time off, etc) have been addressed the feminazi bulls*** is really all that's left for them.
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    epik_fail1 posted...
    I would hate if my mom was like that. it would be like be a female and having a Trump supporter as a dad.
    It's like punching a round bottom dummy. We all know it's futile, but occasionally it's fun.
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    PraetorXyn posted...
    they invented a new word for something that already existed shows

    They were both derived from French words around roughly the same time.

    feminism has basically accomplished everything that needed addressing

    lol
    Lol, of course Orca is in here defending this. Of course all men are basically just potential rapists.
    It's like punching a round bottom dummy. We all know it's futile, but occasionally it's fun.
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    mrplainswalker posted...
    Lol, of course Orca is in here defending this. Of course all men are basically just potential rapists.

    Maybe someone who advocated for raping blackout drunk women shouldn't be making this argument?
    TrampsLikeUs posted...
    Maybe someone who advocated for raping blackout drunk women shouldn't be making this argument?


    When did I do that? Also, nice deflection.
    It's like punching a round bottom dummy. We all know it's futile, but occasionally it's fun.
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    mrplainswalker posted...
    When did I do that? Also, nice deflection.

    https://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/261-politics/75612127

    Are you seriously going to argue men don't have the *potential* to be rapists?

    I mean, I'm sure you had good parents. I'm sure you had a mother who loved you. And yet here you are advocating for rape.
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    TrampsLikeUs posted...
    https://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/261-politics/75612127


    Never anywhere in that topic did I argue that people should be raped.

    TrampsLikeUs posted...
    Are you seriously going to argue men don't have the *potential* to be rapists?


    It's a stupid point to make. It's like saying that black people are all potential murderers. Ok...technically true, but so what? Making that point has a clear racist bias.
    It's like punching a round bottom dummy. We all know it's futile, but occasionally it's fun.
    - willythemailboy on the subject of stray orcas
    mrplainswalker posted...
    Never anywhere in that topic did I argue that people should be raped.

    You blamed the potential rape on the victim and therefore argued it shouldn't be called rape.

    Or, another way to put it; you advocated for rape.

    mrplainswalker posted...
    It's a stupid point to make.

    Really? Because you're a perfect example of the point she's trying to make.
    TrampsLikeUs posted...
    You blamed the potential rape on the victim


    Nope.

    TrampsLikeUs posted...
    and therefore argued it shouldn't be called rape.


    Yeah, I did argue that. You're like the people who say that I'm "pro-murder" because I'm pro-choice. We disagree on the definition of murder. If two people get drunk and have sex, I don't think they're raping each other. If somebody is predatory, gets somebody drunk and then has sex with them while they're unconscious, that's rape. Pretty clear distinction there. Still nice deflection, though.

    TrampsLikeUs posted...
    Really? Because you're a perfect example of the point she's trying to make.


    Even if I were a literal rapist, it's still a stupid point.
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    mrplainswalker posted...
    Nope.


    Oh, ok....

    mrplainswalker posted...
    Yeah, I did argue that.

    Hey! Wait a minute!

    mrplainswalker posted...
    Even if I were a literal rapist

    No it's not. You were probably raised by a good family. Had a mother who loved you. And yet here you advocating rape culture and turning a blind eye to sexism.

    "When I first talked to my sons about enthusiastic consent, they laughed at me. “No one is going to ask a girl before having sex with her,” they said. It’s too awkward and uncomfortable. Besides, they reassured me, you can tell whether a girl is consenting without having to ask her."

    That's totally you!

    Except you're not just inactive with issues of consent, you're active *against* consent.

    I would totally be worried if my children started talking like you.
    (edited 1 hour ago)reportquote
    TrampsLikeUs posted...
    No it's not.


    Yeah, just like all black people are potential gang-bangers.

    Totally amazing point!
    It's like punching a round bottom dummy. We all know it's futile, but occasionally it's fun.
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    Ah, I see instead of an argument, you're resorting to racism.

    Classy.
    TrampsLikeUs posted...
    Ah, I see instead of an argument, you're resorting to racism.


    It's an apt comparison.
    It's like punching a round bottom dummy. We all know it's futile, but occasionally it's fun.
    - willythemailboy on the subject of stray orcas
    mrplainswalker posted...
    TrampsLikeUs posted...
    Ah, I see instead of an argument, you're resorting to racism.


    It's an apt comparison.

    It's apt in the way that people have the potential to be things.

    There's a reason you chose "black" and "gang banger" though.

    (because you're being a racist).

    Lets remove your racism from the point. Lets say "people" have the potential to be "criminals".

    If your son then started exhibiting the actions of a criminal, would you not caution them against it? Or would it be stupid?

    Do we not teach children not to steal? To obey the law?
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    SamCarlson posted...
    Dwavenhobble posted...
    willythemailboy posted...

    There is no "fifth wave", there's just a relative handful of "feminists-in-name-only" that have figured out it's career suicide to renounce the label.



    Are you saying they're No true feminist then?

    Because I thought the only requirement to be called a feminist was to believe in the idea of gender equality.

    right, so if you actively promote against that idea, you're not a feminist.

    Good so you agree the women claiming to be feminists who argued against:

    Women being included in the draft
    OR 
    Shelters and more equal funding towards charities helping male victims of domestic abuse 
    OR 
    More equal decisions over child custody
    OR
    Argue against women in a higher paid job having to pay Alimony after a break up when their husband is the one caring for their child.

    They no longer get to call themselves feminists.
    I'm on youtube just like everyone else but still
    https://www.youtube.com/user/Dwavenhobble
    TrampsLikeUs posted...
    It's apt in the way that people have the potential to be things.


    Yeah...exactly.

    TrampsLikeUs posted...
    There's a reason you chose "black" and "gang banger" though.

    (because you're being a racist).


    For the same reason you chose "man" and "rapist." Because you're a sexist.
    It's like punching a round bottom dummy. We all know it's futile, but occasionally it's fun.
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    D E E G S 1 hour ago#70
    It pains me to say that I don’t feel emotionally safe with [men], and perhaps never have with a man, but it needs to be said because far too often we are afraid to say it. This is not a reflection of something broken or damaged in me; it is a reflection of the systems we build and our boys absorb. Those little boys grow into men who know the value of women, the value that’s been ascribed to us by a broken system, and it seeps out from them in a million tiny, toxic ways.


    Actually, I'm pretty sure it is. Saying that you don't feel emotionally safe with the opposite sex means there is something broke/damaged about you. I don't mean this in a gay/straight kind of way either. I mean this in a "if you don't feel comfortable just being around the opposite sex you have a phobia" kind of way.
    The only people that can say what matters to gaming are those that buy and play them.-Ollie Barder, Forbes Contributor
    Wait, I'm confused. People hated men because they called them cowards for not signing up for military service, but wanting to force women to sign up is not hating women?

    Can you guys get your heads straight.

    Dwavenhobble posted...
    Shelters and more equal funding towards charities helping male victims of domestic abuse

    Do you have a real example of this or do you have to eggman?

    Dwavenhobble posted...
    More equal decisions over child custody

    There's no evidence supporting this is an issue.

    However since radical feminism advocates the destruction of gender roles, all radical feminism would solve this non-problem.

    Dwavenhobble posted...
    Argue against women in a higher paid job having to pay Alimony after a break up when their husband is the one caring for their child.

    Do you have a real example of this or do you have to eggman?
    mrplainswalker posted...
    Yeah...exactly.


    So there was no need for you to be racist. You could have used any non-racist example.

    mrplainswalker posted...
    For the same reason you chose "man" and "rapist." Because you're a sexist.

    I didn't choose anything.

    Also, way to ignore the actual argument.
    NativitylnBIood posted...
    How is this woman not a college professor? It's rare to see this level of feminist stupidity outside of that profession.

    You have to put in the time and money kissing Gender Studies professors butts first.
    I'm on youtube just like everyone else but still
    https://www.youtube.com/user/Dwavenhobble
    mrplainswalker 59 minutes ago#74
    TrampsLikeUs posted...
    So there was no need for you to be racist. You could have used any non-racist example.


    If I had used a non-racist example, then it wouldn't have been equivalent to your sexist example.

    TrampsLikeUs posted...
    I didn't choose anything.


    You're defending the argument.
    It's like punching a round bottom dummy. We all know it's futile, but occasionally it's fun.
    - willythemailboy on the subject of stray orcas
    TrampsLikeUs 58 minutes ago#75
    mrplainswalker posted...
    If I had used a non-racist example, then it wouldn't have been equivalent to your sexist example.

    That's not a defence for being racist.

    mrplainswalker posted...
    You're defending the argument.

    Because there's nothing wrong with it, which is why you're ignoring everything else I've posted.
    mrplainswalker 56 minutes ago#76
    TrampsLikeUs posted...
    That's not a defence for being racist.


    Making a racism analogy to point out your blatant sexism is not actually being racist.

    TrampsLikeUs posted...
    Because there's nothing wrong with it


    Just like there's "nothing wrong" with pointing out that black people are potential criminals. Lol.
    It's like punching a round bottom dummy. We all know it's futile, but occasionally it's fun.
    - willythemailboy on the subject of stray orcas
    TrampsLikeUs 55 minutes ago#77
    mrplainswalker posted...
    Making a racism analogy

    You didn't make a racism analogy. You were racist while making an analogy.

    mrplainswalker posted...
    Just like there's "nothing wrong" with pointing out that black people are potential criminals. Lol.

    Then why aren't you addressing my arguments?

    TrampsLikeUs posted...
    Lets remove your racism from the point. Lets say "people" have the potential to be "criminals".

    If your son then started exhibiting the actions of a criminal, would you not caution them against it? Or would it be stupid?

    Do we not teach children not to steal? To obey the law?
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    Dwavenhobble 49 minutes ago#78
    TrampsLikeUs posted...
    Wait, I'm confused. People hated men because they called them cowards for not signing up for military service, but wanting to force women to sign up is not hating women?


    Not hard to understand ORCA but seems it flew over your head.

    They were fighting to perpetuate the stereotype that it was a mans job to go out and fight to defend the women back home and shaming those who refused even when for some it was conscientious objection at the thought of killing other people. It was perpetuating the stereotype that people are lesser men if they're not stoic and show little emotion.


    TrampsLikeUs posted...

    Do you have a real example of this or do you have to eggman?


    It's happened quite a few times in history actually, if you look up the woman who started the first womens shelters she then tried to start up shelters for abuse men and got all kinds of abuse and threats because of it.


    TrampsLikeUs posted...

    There's no evidence supporting this is an issue.

    Well other than the court custody stuff and number of cases of children ending up with a parent who harms them to get back at the partner.



    TrampsLikeUs posted...

    However since radical feminism advocates the destruction of gender roles, all radical feminism would solve this non-problem.


    Except it also advocates against biological elements of gender expression thus actually trying to suppress natural gender expression. At least for boys mostly. 

    TrampsLikeUs posted...

    Do you have a real example of this or do you have to eggman?


    Didn't it happen recently?
    I'm on youtube just like everyone else but still
    https://www.youtube.com/user/Dwavenhobble
    mrplainswalker 49 minutes ago#79
    TrampsLikeUs posted...
    You didn't make a racism analogy.


    That's exactly what I did.

    TrampsLikeUs posted...

    Then why aren't you addressing my arguments?


    So is she saying that her sons are actually exhibiting rapist behaviors? If that's actually true, then I guess she has a point. Sounds like she's just saying that men are potential rapists.
    It's like punching a round bottom dummy. We all know it's futile, but occasionally it's fun.
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    TheHonorableOne 48 minutes ago#80
    Dwavenhobble posted...
    NativitylnBIood posted...
    How is this woman not a college professor? It's rare to see this level of feminist stupidity outside of that profession.

    You have to put in the time and money kissing Gender Studies professors butts first.
    MAGA.
    TrampsLikeUs 45 minutes ago#81
    mrplainswalker posted...
    That's exactly what I did.

    You didn't make a racism analogy. You were racist while making an analogy.

    mrplainswalker posted...
    So is she saying that her sons are actually exhibiting rapist behaviors? If that's actually true, then I guess she has a point.

    Wait, you didn't read the article?
    TheDarkShepard 42 minutes ago#82
    Took 261 long enough to make an actially justified anti feminist topic. Good job! Maybe you can start hitting a slightly higher percentage
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    TrampsLikeUs 41 minutes ago#83
    Dwavenhobble posted...
    They were fighting to perpetuate the stereotype that it was a mans job to go out and fight to defend the women back home and shaming those who refused even when for some it was conscientious objection at the thought of killing other people. It was perpetuating the stereotype that people are lesser men if they're not stoic and show little emotion.

    If that's how you want to defend your cowardice, that's fine. But that doesn't excuse the hypocrisy.

    Dwavenhobble posted...
    It's happened quite a few times in history actually,

    *looks for evidence*

    So the answer is actually "no".

    Dwavenhobble posted...
    Well other than the court custody stuff and number of cases of children ending up with a parent who harms them to get back at the partner.

    *looks for evidence*

    So the answer is actually "no".

    Dwavenhobble posted...
    Except it also advocates against biological elements of gender expression thus actually trying to suppress natural gender expression. At least for boys mostly.

    So which is it? Men who don't fight are unmanly or not? Women make better caregivers or they don't? You take whichever side of the argument allows you to hate women.

    Dwavenhobble posted...
    Didn't it happen recently?

    *looks for evidence*

    So the answer is actually "no".
    PraetorXyn 41 minutes ago#84
    Everyone is a potential everything, so if she's making some broad point about men she's a misandrist in the same way someone making a broad comment about black people would be a racist or someone making a broad point about homosexuals would be homophobic.
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    TrampsLikeUs 41 minutes ago#85
    PraetorXyn posted...
    Everyone is a potential everything, so if she's making some broad point about men she's a misandrist in the same way someone making a broad comment about black people would be a racist or someone making a broad point about homosexuals would be homophobic.

    Did you read the article?
    Dwavenhobble 18 minutes ago#86
    TrampsLikeUs posted...

    If that's how you want to defend your cowardice, that's fine. But that doesn't excuse the hypocrisy.


    Wait.......... ORCA do you think I'm a WW2 era person who got a white feather?

    Because otherwise I'm not sure where your cowardice claim comes from.

    In fact the hypocrisy claim seems even more suspect really.

    TrampsLikeUs posted...

    *looks for evidence*

    So the answer is actually "no".


    Because every time I present it you spend pages trying to Weasel out of it based on tiny technicalities. 

    The likely one in this one "prove the people sending the threats were feminists and not angry MGTOWS" or something.

    What I'm saying is you're not worth the effort of hunting down this stuff and unlike you I don't tend to have files of it to hand in a series of bookmarked folders.

    TrampsLikeUs posted...


    *looks for evidence*

    So the answer is actually "no".

    See Above

    TrampsLikeUs posted...

    So which is it? Men who don't fight are unmanly or not? Women make better caregivers or they don't? You take whichever side of the argument allows you to hate women.


    You really do only see black and white don't you ORCA.

    You can be a man who doesn't fight because it's not the fighting itself that's the key aspect. The fighting is an expression of the aspect but it can very much be expressed other ways and oddly enough in ways more productive than fighting.

    Same with Women and care giving. It's an expression of an aspect which can be expressed other ways.


    TrampsLikeUs posted...


    *looks for evidence*

    So the answer is actually "no".

    See previous points.
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    https://www.youtube.com/user/Dwavenhobble
    Dwavenhobble 17 minutes ago#87
    TrampsLikeUs posted...
    PraetorXyn posted...
    Everyone is a potential everything, so if she's making some broad point about men she's a misandrist in the same way someone making a broad comment about black people would be a racist or someone making a broad point about homosexuals would be homophobic.

    Did you read the article?

    Did you even understand the point being raised before you started yelling "racist" at another poster?
    I'm on youtube just like everyone else but still
    https://www.youtube.com/user/Dwavenhobble
    TrampsLikeUs 16 minutes ago#88
    So no evidence. Just like a regular Dwavenhobble argument, then. I don't know why anyone would expect any different.

    Dwavenhobble posted...
    Wait.......... ORCA do you think I'm a WW2 era person who got a white feather?

    You're really adding a lot of ammo for that UoI topic.
    TrampsLikeUs 16 minutes ago#89
    Dwavenhobble posted...
    Did you even understand the point being raised before you started yelling "racist" at another poster?

    Yep.

    Now let him answer the question.
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